The owner said that "if you can't make it on 71st Street, then you have management issues" and now their 71st location seems to be closed. I got no answer on the 71st phone number (but it wasn't disconnected) and called the Cherry St location and got no answer their either..
Anyone know what happened?
I don't know about other people, but shortly after it became Jazmo's on Cherry Street my wife and I ate there twice within a couple of weeks. The food quality was poor and the prices had been raised.
We swore never to go back. I'm guessing more people did the same.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
The owner said that "if you can't make it on 71st Street, then you have management issues" and now their 71st location seems to be closed. I got no answer on the 71st phone number (but it wasn't disconnected) and called the Cherry St location and got no answer their either..
Anyone know what happened?
I wasn't impressed with the food at their 71st location, although I've always been pleased when eating at the Cherry St location.
I checked their website and they only list 3 locations: Cherry Street, OKC and Amarillo.
I ate their twice. Each time I noticed they had hardly any business. They hired someone to play some brass along 71st to drum up business. It didn't help. Each time I ordered the Catfish and it was horrible.
It sucks and has for a long time....Use to be a great place to get some grub.....
I noticed they were closed on Saturday night.
That location on 71st has the kiss of death for some reason. Tony Roma's didn't make it there either.
You know who has good catfish, Caz's Chowhouse. It's been a while since I've been there, but everything seems pretty good especially for the price.
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Originally posted by Conan71
I noticed they were closed on Saturday night.
That location on 71st has the kiss of death for some reason. Tony Roma's didn't make it there either.
Tony Roma's didn't make it because the food was terrible - they kept giving it away. The last couple of times I ate there, I had lunch and ordered a BBQ chicken sandwich. Is it too much to expect that the sandwich
NOT HAVE BONES IN IT?The service there could also be bad at times. It was only a matter of time before it closed.
I've only dined at Jazmo's once, at the 71st Street location, and it was OK, but not worth much trouble.
And that BBQ place just to the west that closed never had any help! They'd have a 45+ minute wait, but half the restaurant was EMPTY! I asked why we were waiting when 40% of the tables were empty, and they said they didn't have anyone to wait those tables.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why people quit going to eat there...
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Originally posted by MichaelC
You know who has good catfish, Caz's Chowhouse. It's been a while since I've been there, but everything seems pretty good especially for the price.
If you want good Catfish go to The Lazy Fisherman in Bixby....or if you feel like a drive go to Skinny's in Sallisaw. Of course it may not be named Skinny's when you get there. The name changes on a regular basis depending on if Skinny and his wife are currently married or divorced. If you can't find it just ask a local and they will point you in the right direction.
I used to eat at Bourbon Street on 15th all the time. Went to Jazzmo's for the first time a couple months ago, and didn't like the food. I wasn't sure if the food had changed, or my tastes did. After reading this thread, I'm thinking it was the food!
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Originally posted by Conan71
I noticed they were closed on Saturday night.
That location on 71st has the kiss of death for some reason. Tony Roma's didn't make it there either.
the reason for the kiss of death is because it doesnt have direct access to the road. that shopping area is poorly lined out and you have to drive all the way to the back and pull back upto the parking for the place. It sucks.
Jazmos? Never heard of them till this thread.
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Originally posted by wavoka
I don't know about other people, but shortly after it became Jazmo's on Cherry Street my wife and I ate there twice within a couple of weeks. The food quality was poor and the prices had been raised.
We swore never to go back. I'm guessing more people did the same.
Had the exact same experience. Exactly.
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Originally posted by TheArtist
Jazmos? Never heard of them till this thread.
Jazmo's = Bourbon Street Cafe (they got bought out or something)
Reminds me of what happened with St. Michael's Alley. St. Mike's used to be one of my favorite restaurants, and now the new management is running it into the ground. I was there about a month and a half ago, and the food tasted nothing like what it had been before.
I hate it when great local restaurants get taken over by new unqualified management.
Had a friend take a date to Tuccis last week. Said it was not that good, expensive and the wait staff were stuck up and snobby. When I had eaten there last year, I wasnt at all impressed either.
I disagree with the Tucci's statement....Although the waiter I had over the weekend was a bit snobbish and short but the food was great.....
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Originally posted by perspicuity85
Reminds me of what happened with St. Michael's Alley. St. Mike's used to be one of my favorite restaurants, and now the new management is running it into the ground. I was there about a month and a half ago, and the food tasted nothing like what it had been before.
I hate it when great local restaurants get taken over by new unqualified management.
Which incarnation of St. Mike's are you talking about? Is Mike Lovell no longer owning/running it?
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by perspicuity85
Reminds me of what happened with St. Michael's Alley. St. Mike's used to be one of my favorite restaurants, and now the new management is running it into the ground. I was there about a month and a half ago, and the food tasted nothing like what it had been before.
I hate it when great local restaurants get taken over by new unqualified management.
Which incarnation of St. Mike's are you talking about? Is Mike Lovell no longer owning/running it?
I've known the owner of St. Mikes for 7-8 years, and his name isn't Mike, it's Jeff. He had it for about 10 years total. Do you get out much?
He recently sold it to some kids who had no business running a restaurant, and it is now closed.
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Originally posted by Breadburner
I disagree with the Tucci's statement....Although the waiter I had over the weekend was a bit snobbish and short but the food was great.....
I have always had great service at Tucci's and the food has always been exceptional. I would say it's definitely in Tulsa's top 10 for date restaurants.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by perspicuity85
Reminds me of what happened with St. Michael's Alley. St. Mike's used to be one of my favorite restaurants, and now the new management is running it into the ground. I was there about a month and a half ago, and the food tasted nothing like what it had been before.
I hate it when great local restaurants get taken over by new unqualified management.
Which incarnation of St. Mike's are you talking about? Is Mike Lovell no longer owning/running it?
I've known the owner of St. Mikes for 7-8 years, and his name isn't Mike, it's Jeff. He had it for about 10 years total. Do you get out much?
He recently sold it to some kids who had no business running a restaurant, and it is now closed.
The "original" St. Michael's Alley was open back in the '70's.
I knew Mike Lovell from Pablo's back in the mid- '80's. He re-opened it, and I assumed still was running the place. It's one of those out-of-the-way places that I would eat at about once a year and not think of it again for awhile.
I never bothered to keep up w/ whether or not he still owned the joint.
I haven't eaten at the 15th street location since a couple years before the name change. Barely adequate service and half-decent food for too much money, no thanks. It certainly doesn't help to change your name to some corny, half-assed quasi-Jazz reference, good grief. Jazmo's...reminds me of drunk far-eastern karaoke singers trying to belt out 80s power ballads. They just don't quite get it, but that won't prevent them from making an embarrassingly public spectacle out of it.
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Originally posted by TheArtist
Jazmos? Never heard of them till this thread.
Jazmo's = Bourbon Street Cafe (they got bought out or something)
Actually it's kinda sad. They were on the decline so they hired a Marketing firm to "re-brand" them. Rather than fix the food quality problems. The "firm" re-branded them as Jazmo's and reccomended menu changes, price changes and a whole new look that frankly confused people. It was a disaster.
Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Instead of correcting food problems, let's go out and spend $30K to re-brand the place and change all the signage. Brilliant business decision.
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Originally posted by TheArtist
Had a friend take a date to Tuccis last week. Said it was not that good, expensive and the wait staff were stuck up and snobby.
On my visits back to Tulsa some years back, I'd been taken to Tucci's. The food was good, worth waiting for, and I'd go back for that, don't get me wrong. But yes, the wait staff was possessed of an elitist 'tude in some respects, tho' I think it was a matter of them perceiving their work as wait staff as less of an occupation and more like as a lucrative hobby.
We've been to Tucci's for anniversary stuff, It's been good for me but for sure things in any restaurant can vary. The pizza was yum. They have a yummy Belini, so after one of those everyone is alright with me. I had read a review here (back when I was a lurker) on Redrock Canyon Grill that was very positive and when we went, the server was super snotty and forgot stuff. However, I complained and got sent a most excellent giftcard. So I will go back!
It is a shame about Bourbon Street. Is the one in OKC crappy now too? I had my first Pina Colada there!
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The "original" St. Michael's Alley was open back in the '70's.
While this is true, St. Mikes was opened as early as 1960, and many old school tulsans would argue that the restaurant's 'heyday' would have been the 60's and early 70's. For those of you that do not know, St. Michaels Alley is now closed. I worked there for about 3 years, and let me tell you all the real reasons that St. Mike's is no more: changing trends in dining and the general "fickle" nature of tulsa. The place was almost impossible to find unless you knew where and what it was, and many tulsans that enjoyed going to St. Mikes in the 60's and 70's moved away from Tulsa in the 80's. The younger generation had no idea that the restaurant even existed, so the large percentage of clientele consisted of regulars, who were for the most part in the 50-75 age range. In March '06, the statewide smoking ban almost totally eliminated our happy hour/drinking crowd. A huge percentage of our patrons were smokers. Many people would say that they would come in more often if we were non smoking. Well I guess they lied because business dropped significantly. The yuppie crowd would not embrace St. Mikes since it did not have a menu that was a carbon copy of The Brooke. I even heard that many people boycotted the restuarant because it was gay owned and operated for years, which is ridiculous. When the restuarant changed hands, the food became fancier, and more expensive. Guess what happened? Nobody wanted it. All the yuppies that requested inventive new dishes were nowhere to be found, and the regulars complained about the price and stuck with our old menu items like white chili and charburgers. With a small restaurant like St. Mikes, simplicity is key. Tulsa diners were no longer satisfied with the simple menu of stuffed mushrooms, reuben sandwiches, and one of the best ribeyes in town. People wanted the option of a $60 dollar bottle of wine, but would order a $2 beer. Others would want the option of a $20 stuffed pork chop (which was delicious), but knew from the second they walked in that they were only going to buy a $6 pastrami sandwich. It is so sad that the restaurant closed, but it is no surprise to me. With the exception of fast food, Tulsa is notorious for not accepting a restaurant for what it is. I'm sure that 2 more Outback Steakhouses will pop up in its place.
Bourbon St Cafe has great owners, may need to get some of the old magic(managers) back? How do you feel about it and what needs to be done to put them back on the map?[?] Remember them being great a few years back, so what is lacking. Sorry, live out of town. Just would like some info. Do miss the red beans and rice with sausage, yum.
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Originally posted by reign
Bourbon St Cafe has great owners, may need to get some of the old magic(managers) back? How do you feel about it and what needs to be done to put them back on the map?[?] Remember them being great a few years back, so what is lacking. Sorry, live out of town. Just would like some info. Do miss the red beans and rice with sausage, yum.
place was a dump. SO glad that joke of a restaurant closed.
really, they need to just tear that place down because without direct access to 71st, people won't go there.
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Originally posted by inteller
place was a dump. SO glad that joke of a restaurant closed.
really, they need to just tear that place down because with direct access to 71st, people won't go there.
whu?
Yes it is closed but a Full service Meditrian place will take it's place... The new owner is loaded with a lot of money so lets see what he can do... I'm pretty sure he was born Iran but I could have mixed that up with Iraq... He lives in well ___
One of his Places: Got rated #2 best hot spot in Dallas on weekends...
http://alamirdallas.com/ (//%22http://alamirdallas.com/%22)
But it aint going to be Alamir lol but will serve the same type of food and offer Hokua and Belly Dancers on some nights...
The Jazmo's owner has left and is now like buying cars from Texas and being delivered to Tulsa... Wierd but, most of the Arabs in Tulsa are responsible for all the new cars you see in town...
At Alamir Dallas, you must call in weeks in advance to reserve a table in the main room... The building has 3 floors, underground Bar, and the coolest Arab Themed room to eat in the USA...
Well if Tony Roma's and Jazzmo's are any indication, the best way to end up with a small fortune out of that location will be to start with a large fortune. Best of luck...
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Originally posted by TheArtist
Had a friend take a date to Tuccis last week. Said it was not that good, expensive and the wait staff were stuck up and snobby. When I had eaten there last year, I wasnt at all impressed either.
Tell them to go to Mary's next time...
Danno, thanks for the 411 on St. Mike's. I'm one of those who just sort of forgot about the place. Great food, I liked the atmosphere, but it was hidden on the back of Ranch Acres and about the only time I'd think about it was when I'd buy wine at Ranch Acres or if I thought: "let's go to an out of the way place".
I believe it was somewhat of a beatnik hang-out in it's first incarnation. I remember my mother would blush when she took us there as kids. They had some pretty, uh, creative graffiti on the walls in the men's room and it wasn't exactly the sort of thing you'd care for your seven or eight year-old to repeat.
How long before it closed had Mike Lovell sold it?
saying that without a direct entrance from 71st means no one will come is absurd. If 71st were designed properly there would be very limited access only at signals and no crossovers without a signal. If people want to go there they will. 71st is horrible due to design. This center is one of the smart ones due to the single access point.
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How long before it closed had Mike Lovell sold it?
I can't really say for sure. The majority of the time that I worked there (March '04 to April '07), it was owned by a guy named Jeff Killion, and I believed that he aquired it in '94 or '95. My understanding of the previous owners is limited, since the stories I heard from Jeff and those from customers differed slightly. Apparently the person who opened it way back in the early 60's was a young kid and he had it for only about 6 months. Then another person owned it for much of the 60's and part of the 70's, then I don't know who had it. At some point in the late 70's or early 80's there was a fire and I believe the restaurant was closed for awhile, possibly a couple years. For a period it was called "Glen Again," and was the sister restaurant to The Glen in Utica Square. This might have been the period of time in which the Lovell guy purchased it (mid-late 80's). Jeff had it from '94 or '95 until around November '06, then a young married couple bought it and ran it until it closed in August or September. The guy that actually knows the most about the place would probably be the guy who owns the barbershop next door (Continental Barber, I believe), since he has been there for almost 40 years. Stop in for a haircut and I'm sure he'll tell you the whole story.
Original Bourbon St Cafe still on 15th street. 71st store rights were franchised out to the managers of the 81st and Lewis store(which was moved). Not aware of their ownership responsibility or reason for closure?
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Originally posted by reign
Bourbon St Cafe has great owners, may need to get some of the old magic(managers) back? How do you feel about it and what needs to be done to put them back on the map?[?] Remember them being great a few years back, so what is lacking. Sorry, live out of town. Just would like some info. Do miss the red beans and rice with sausage, yum.
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Originally posted by reign
Original Bourbon St Cafe still on 15th street. 71st store rights were franchised out to the managers of the 81st and Lewis store(which was moved). Not aware of their ownership responsibility or reason for closure?quote:
Originally posted by reign
Bourbon St Cafe has great owners, may need to get some of the old magic(managers) back? How do you feel about it and what needs to be done to put them back on the map?[?] Remember them being great a few years back, so what is lacking. Sorry, live out of town. Just would like some info. Do miss the red beans and rice with sausage, yum.
Last time I was in the 15th store, it said Jazmo's on everything on the inside.
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Originally posted by perspicuity85
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Originally posted by Breadburner
I disagree with the Tucci's statement....Although the waiter I had over the weekend was a bit snobbish and short but the food was great.....
I have always had great service at Tucci's and the food has always been exceptional. I would say it's definitely in Tulsa's top 10 for date restaurants.
I have always had great food and great service at Tucci's. It's one of my favorite Tulsa restaurants.
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Original Bourbon St Cafe still on 15th street. 71st store rights were franchised out to the managers of the 81st and Lewis store(which was moved). Not aware of their ownership responsibility or reason for closure?
Well, the owner of the old 81st location was offered by a customer, which is an attorney, to move to 71st location. There he would sign as a lease tenant. Then 2 months later, the building was bought by a loacl guy who then raised the rent. Forcing them out.
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Originally posted by perspicuity85
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Originally posted by Breadburner
I disagree with the Tucci's statement....Although the waiter I had over the weekend was a bit snobbish and short but the food was great.....
I have always had great service at Tucci's and the food has always been exceptional. I would say it's definitely in Tulsa's top 10 for date restaurants.
I have always had great food and great service at Tucci's. It's one of my favorite Tulsa restaurants.
A lot of people I know like Tuccis, but it seems way over-rated from my experience. I ordered a Knob Creek there once and the bartender tried to slip me some cheap whiskey. The waiter assured me that he told the bartender correctly. I had to go inside and call him on it myself(guess what - no Knob at the bar). Food was nothing special. Mary's is great- one of my favs! Why would I ever go back to Tuccis?
Also, Ti Amo has fantastic food. The staff usually seems disorganized, especially the bar, but somehow the food makes it out and its been great every time.
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Originally posted by Conan71
Well if Tony Roma's and Jazzmo's are any indication, the best way to end up with a small fortune out of that location will be to start with a large fortune. Best of luck...
now that is funny.[}:)]
71st store is now "Al's Bistro" FYI.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
71st store is now "Al's Bistro" FYI.
yeah, with a new sign that wouldn't be appropriate for the trashiest part of E Admiral.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
71st store is now "Al's Bistro" FYI.
yeah, with a new sign that wouldn't be appropriate for the trashiest part of E Admiral.
Oh, the old 'Sushi Train' bit. I've heard from several friends that Sushi Train is actually pretty good, but their sign leaves alot to be desired.