Where is the River Tax Campaign Expenditure Filing?
How much are the local Tax Vampires raising and spending to shove another $0.004 tax up the Tulsa County residents hind quarters?
When is it due to be filed?
Why hasn't the Lorton's World filed a story about what the Tax Vampires are raising and spending to grab another $282 million in our precious, hard-earning money?
[}:)]
That has to be gone over and over before it can be released. It is assured by anyone who has paid for signs and advertisement that a large sum is being spent.
But now the children, who are underage are being used to replace actors in spite of it should be regularized by State and Federal Child labor laws.
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Originally posted by shadows
That has to be gone over and over before it can be released. It is assured by anyone who has paid for signs and advertisement that a large sum is being spent.
But now the children, who are underage are being used to replace actors in spite of it should be regularized by State and Federal Child labor laws.
Well, I was premature again.
Today's Lorton's World has the donor.
$1.3 million raised.
1,300,000 reasons to Vote NO.
Here's the link to the Usual Suspects:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070929_1_A13_hrpah78382
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by shadows
That has to be gone over and over before it can be released. It is assured by anyone who has paid for signs and advertisement that a large sum is being spent.
But now the children, who are underage are being used to replace actors in spite of it should be regularized by State and Federal Child labor laws.
Well, I was premature again.
Today's Lorton's World has the donor.
$1.3 million raised.
1,300,000 reasons to Vote NO.
Here's the link to the Usual Suspects:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070929_1_A13_hrpah78382
[:O]
We all know that if people who have made a lot of money and have good business sense are behind it, it must be a bad investment.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by shadows
That has to be gone over and over before it can be released. It is assured by anyone who has paid for signs and advertisement that a large sum is being spent.
But now the children, who are underage are being used to replace actors in spite of it should be regularized by State and Federal Child labor laws.
Well, I was premature again.
Today's Lorton's World has the donor.
$1.3 million raised.
1,300,000 reasons to Vote NO.
Here's the link to the Usual Suspects:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070929_1_A13_hrpah78382
[:O]
We all know that if people who have made a lot of money and have good business sense are behind it, it must be a bad investment.
By those standards Great Plains was a great deal. How'd that work out? You really make this to easy.
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by shadows
That has to be gone over and over before it can be released. It is assured by anyone who has paid for signs and advertisement that a large sum is being spent.
But now the children, who are underage are being used to replace actors in spite of it should be regularized by State and Federal Child labor laws.
Well, I was premature again.
Today's Lorton's World has the donor.
$1.3 million raised.
1,300,000 reasons to Vote NO.
Here's the link to the Usual Suspects:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070929_1_A13_hrpah78382
[:O]
We all know that if people who have made a lot of money and have good business sense are behind it, it must be a bad investment.
By those standards Great Plains was a great deal. How'd that work out? You really make this to easy.
Talk about easy. Do you think the players in that venture could have foreseen the 911 tragedy and its effect on air travel? The loss of thousands of jobs locally in the oil and tech industry when they left town? That would have been a successful venture that no one would have questioned without those factors. Nice armchair quarterbacking sport.
Perhaps you would prefer that the proletariat paid for the conception and advertising of such projects?
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by shadows
That has to be gone over and over before it can be released. It is assured by anyone who has paid for signs and advertisement that a large sum is being spent.
But now the children, who are underage are being used to replace actors in spite of it should be regularized by State and Federal Child labor laws.
Well, I was premature again.
Today's Lorton's World has the donor.
$1.3 million raised.
1,300,000 reasons to Vote NO.
Here's the link to the Usual Suspects:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070929_1_A13_hrpah78382
[:O]
We all know that if people who have made a lot of money and have good business sense are behind it, it must be a bad investment.
By those standards Great Plains was a great deal. How'd that work out? You really make this to easy.
Talk about easy. Do you think the players in that venture could have foreseen the 911 tragedy and its effect on air travel? The loss of thousands of jobs locally in the oil and tech industry when they left town? That would have been a successful venture that no one would have questioned without those factors. Nice armchair quarterbacking sport.
Perhaps you would prefer that the proletariat paid for the conception and advertising of such projects?
I just love it when the Great Plains apologists try to fraudulently excuse Great Plains by blaming 9/11. 9/11 had nothing to due with the shaky foundation that scam was built on. 9/11 had nothing to do with the property at the airport being illegally used to back the BOK loans or the illegal loan repayment Bank of Kaiser almost got away with getting from the city. You really do make this too easy. Yawn.
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by shadows
That has to be gone over and over before it can be released. It is assured by anyone who has paid for signs and advertisement that a large sum is being spent.
But now the children, who are underage are being used to replace actors in spite of it should be regularized by State and Federal Child labor laws.
Well, I was premature again.
Today's Lorton's World has the donor.
$1.3 million raised.
1,300,000 reasons to Vote NO.
Here's the link to the Usual Suspects:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070929_1_A13_hrpah78382
[:O]
We all know that if people who have made a lot of money and have good business sense are behind it, it must be a bad investment.
By those standards Great Plains was a great deal. How'd that work out? You really make this to easy.
Talk about easy. Do you think the players in that venture could have foreseen the 911 tragedy and its effect on air travel? The loss of thousands of jobs locally in the oil and tech industry when they left town? That would have been a successful venture that no one would have questioned without those factors. Nice armchair quarterbacking sport.
Perhaps you would prefer that the proletariat paid for the conception and advertising of such projects?
I just love it when the Great Plains apologists try to fraudulently excuse Great Plains by blaming 9/11. 9/11 had nothing to due with the shaky foundation that scam was built on. 9/11 had nothing to do with the property at the airport being illegally used to back the BOK loans or the illegal loan repayment Bank of Kaiser almost got away with getting from the city. You really do make this too easy. Yawn.
Once again you speak with no insight, no knowledge of how things happen and no real effort to learn. I have a friend who was one of the investors and was intimately involved with the operation. He is the most intelligent and high moraled man I know yet he is just like any other guy you would meet. It was interesting to learn how it was put together and why it failed then read the aftermath and try to reconcile the two. Where did you get your info? Here?
Yeah, that 911 thing was way overblown eh? Probably didn't even happen, eh? Did you own stock in any airlines during that period? You wouldn't say something so cavalier as it was just an excuse. Losing 30,000 high paying tech and energy jobs, people who fly alot, was inconsequential to you because the financing was ultimately judged to be illegal. Well, guess what. Most any project details can be spun to suit the purposes when the project fails. Had this succeeded no one would have cared. In fact more such arrangements may have followed. The thin line between genius and criminal is thinnest in the business world.
But you're a black/white guy. And that mayor was also Democrat and female. Some of the players were wealthy and prominent. All the ingredients needed to invoke your wrath.
Stop yawning and start learning.
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Originally posted by Double A
By those standards Great Plains was a great deal. How'd that work out? You really make this to easy.
Wow, you found one business deal that went bad.
Gold star for DoubleA
Actually it wasn't near as well supported as the river tax plan and generally has very little in common with it. Make it a silver star.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Double A
By those standards Great Plains was a great deal. How'd that work out? You really make this to easy.
Wow, you found one business deal that went bad.
Gold star for DoubleA
Actually it wasn't near as well supported as the river tax plan and generally has very little in common with it. Make it a silver star.
Great Plains Airlines only cost taxpayers a mere pittance of $38 million.
The Kaiser River Tax, however, will cost AT LEAST $
282 million. There's NO CAP on the TAX.
It's $0.004. It's for 7 years. That's all.
The seed for Great Plains was planted during an un-precidented travel boom that did go downhill fast after 9/11.
I don't know you can make that the sole reason it collapsed, it might have been shaky before that. Larger, long-established airlines filed bankruptcy or nearly wound up in bankruptcy as a result of the bust in the travel market which ocurred after 9/11.
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Originally posted by Conan71
The seed for Great Plains was planted during an un-precidented travel boom that did go downhill fast after 9/11.
I don't know you can make that the sole reason it collapsed, it might have been shaky before that. Larger, long-established airlines filed bankruptcy or nearly wound up in bankruptcy as a result of the bust in the travel market which ocurred after 9/11.
How about the fact they never even had the capability to reach the nonstop destinations on the east and west coasts like they advertised when this was being sold to the public?
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Great Plains Airlines only cost taxpayers a mere pittance of $38 million.
The Kaiser River Tax, however, will cost AT LEAST $282 million. There's NO CAP on the TAX.
It's $0.004. It's for 7 years. That's all.
You left out the federal funds early-sunset clause.
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by Conan71
The seed for Great Plains was planted during an un-precidented travel boom that did go downhill fast after 9/11.
I don't know you can make that the sole reason it collapsed, it might have been shaky before that. Larger, long-established airlines filed bankruptcy or nearly wound up in bankruptcy as a result of the bust in the travel market which ocurred after 9/11.
How about the fact they never even had the capability to reach the nonstop destinations on the east and west coasts like they advertised when this was being sold to the public?
That is an even more ridiculous reason to make the comparison between the two projects. One is a plan to improve public areas and make land available for re-development. The other was a business that used government dollars as collatoral but made bad business decisions like buying the wrong planes.
It is absurd to compare the vote for a sales tax on river improvements to the Great Plains Airlines problems. Try to keep up and stay focused, doubleA.
>>The other was a business that used >>government dollars as collatoral but made bad >>business decisions like buying the wrong >>planes.
Its comforting to know that if the River Vote passes, no bad business decisions will be made.
I guess I'm really confused.
Was GP airlines ever put to a vote?
Was there more public money than public?
Was it created to provide recreation for the community?
Did the private sector donate a hundred million plus in free airfare or something for all to enjoy?
I guess I don't really see how that tangent is particularly relevant here. Seems the city saw a juicy piece of fruit and jumped on it. Had it been 10 years earlier it probably would have succeeded. Oh well, we are better off without a "hub" airport ruining our EPA ratings anyway.
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That said, if the best funded is the most corrupt side, I assume you are not voting Democratic this election cycle. For that matter, you would not have voted for Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt... horrible people because they were well funded. The new deal lobby was mostly funded by construction companies and labor unions - it had no real anti-lobby - you probably hate that too.
Speaking of yawn... what a lazy argument. Its easy to pull out when you want to, but ignore it if your side has more money. If "they" have more money its because they are corrupt, if "you" have more money its because you're right.
Thank you, cf, for bringing a bit of sanity to this discussion.
Hey could I get some help here....!
I found this article on the Metro Chamber site...
Just curious.. What do you suppose the incentive would be for a BOK, QT, worker if they showed up after voting with their "I Voted" sticker and had voted NO
Businesses throughout the county are encouraging their employees to go to the polls for this election period and some have even created incentives for those employees who do turn up to vote. The election offices and precinct locations will be issuing “I Voted� stickers to individuals who vote this election period. This is a great way to identify your employees who have voted and provide them with an incentive for doing so. A watch party for volunteers and contributors will be held on Tuesday, October 9, starting at 6:30 p.m. at the Hilton Southern Hills ballroom.
Rico, I don't suppose an employee has to tell ANYONE how they voted in any election in America. Nor is it legal to reward one for voting in a particular manner pr discriminate against any other manner. If you are trying to imply QT, Bok or anyone else is FORCING their employees to vote a certain way come out and say it and then file a petition in open court.
Man, I'm not even sure I'm on the "Vote Yes" side but the "NO" camp surely is not persuading anyone with this crap.
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Originally posted by Rico
Hey could I get some help here....!
I found this article on the Metro Chamber site...
Just curious.. What do you suppose the incentive would be for a BOK, QT, worker if they showed up after voting with their "I Voted" sticker and had voted NO
Businesses throughout the county are encouraging their employees to go to the polls for this election period and some have even created incentives for those employees who do turn up to vote. The election offices and precinct locations will be issuing “I Voted� stickers to individuals who vote this election period. This is a great way to identify your employees who have voted and provide them with an incentive for doing so. A watch party for volunteers and contributors will be held on Tuesday, October 9, starting at 6:30 p.m. at the Hilton Southern Hills ballroom.
The Election Eve Watch Party for the Grass-Roots NO RIVER TAX organization has not selected a venue yet.
Reportedly, the John 3:16 Mission is being solicited for the availability of their building for a Vote NO Watch Party.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Rico
Hey could I get some help here....!
I found this article on the Metro Chamber site...
Just curious.. What do you suppose the incentive would be for a BOK, QT, worker if they showed up after voting with their "I Voted" sticker and had voted NO
Businesses throughout the county are encouraging their employees to go to the polls for this election period and some have even created incentives for those employees who do turn up to vote. The election offices and precinct locations will be issuing “I Voted� stickers to individuals who vote this election period. This is a great way to identify your employees who have voted and provide them with an incentive for doing so. A watch party for volunteers and contributors will be held on Tuesday, October 9, starting at 6:30 p.m. at the Hilton Southern Hills ballroom.
The Election Eve Watch Party for the Grass-Roots NO RIVER TAX organization has not selected a venue yet.
Reportedly, the John 3:16 Mission is being solicited for the availability of their building for a Vote NO Watch Party.
Why don't you have it on one of the sand bars? Cater it from QT with 24pks like all the locals do.[:D]
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Rico
Hey could I get some help here....!
I found this article on the Metro Chamber site...
Just curious.. What do you suppose the incentive would be for a BOK, QT, worker if they showed up after voting with their "I Voted" sticker and had voted NO
Businesses throughout the county are encouraging their employees to go to the polls for this election period and some have even created incentives for those employees who do turn up to vote. The election offices and precinct locations will be issuing “I Voted� stickers to individuals who vote this election period. This is a great way to identify your employees who have voted and provide them with an incentive for doing so. A watch party for volunteers and contributors will be held on Tuesday, October 9, starting at 6:30 p.m. at the Hilton Southern Hills ballroom.
The Election Eve Watch Party for the Grass-Roots NO RIVER TAX organization has not selected a venue yet.
Reportedly, the John 3:16 Mission is being solicited for the availability of their building for a Vote NO Watch Party.
Why don't you have it on one of the sand bars? Cater it from QT with 24pks like all the locals do.[:D]
I'm in! [:P]
I always get a chuckle when I see things like "personal services" on campaign expenditures. I have a picture of hookers issuing reciepts for their personal services.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Rico
Hey could I get some help here....!
I found this article on the Metro Chamber site...
Just curious.. What do you suppose the incentive would be for a BOK, QT, worker if they showed up after voting with their "I Voted" sticker and had voted NO
Businesses throughout the county are encouraging their employees to go to the polls for this election period and some have even created incentives for those employees who do turn up to vote. The election offices and precinct locations will be issuing “I Voted� stickers to individuals who vote this election period. This is a great way to identify your employees who have voted and provide them with an incentive for doing so. A watch party for volunteers and contributors will be held on Tuesday, October 9, starting at 6:30 p.m. at the Hilton Southern Hills ballroom.
The Election Eve Watch Party for the Grass-Roots NO RIVER TAX organization has not selected a venue yet.
Reportedly, the John 3:16 Mission is being solicited for the availability of their building for a Vote NO Watch Party.
Why don't you have it on one of the sand bars? Cater it from QT with 24pks like all the locals do.[:D]
I'm in! [:P]
I always get a chuckle when I see things like "personal services" on campaign expenditures. I have a picture of hookers issuing reciepts for their personal services.
Q-T is a Kaiser River Tax promoter.
See the Expenditure Report for their In-Kind Contribution.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Rico, I don't suppose an employee has to tell ANYONE how they voted in any election in America. Nor is it legal to reward one for voting in a particular manner pr discriminate against any other manner. If you are trying to imply QT, Bok or anyone else is FORCING their employees to vote a certain way come out and say it and then file a petition in open court.
Man, I'm not even sure I'm on the "Vote Yes" side but the "NO" camp surely is not persuading anyone with this crap.
Dude... it's all about the oligarchy... and the corporations, dude... and all the mayor's cronies... or was it the former mayor's cronies?... they're getting tax breaks... their cronies are moderating debates... and they're ALL making money off this.... dude, it's a consipiracy... it's about the tax-vampires... Don't be a koolaid drinker, dude!!!
/sarcasm.
damn. i've unwittingly let god kill three cats today...
Anybody else remember the last time KFF (//%22http://www.batesline.com/archives/002370.html%22) got involved in a campaign? That campaign was using the same illegal signature gatherers as the TABOR campaign.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Rico
Hey could I get some help here....!
I found this article on the Metro Chamber site...
Just curious.. What do you suppose the incentive would be for a BOK, QT, worker if they showed up after voting with their "I Voted" sticker and had voted NO
Businesses throughout the county are encouraging their employees to go to the polls for this election period and some have even created incentives for those employees who do turn up to vote. The election offices and precinct locations will be issuing “I Voted� stickers to individuals who vote this election period. This is a great way to identify your employees who have voted and provide them with an incentive for doing so. A watch party for volunteers and contributors will be held on Tuesday, October 9, starting at 6:30 p.m. at the Hilton Southern Hills ballroom.
The Election Eve Watch Party for the Grass-Roots NO RIVER TAX organization has not selected a venue yet.
Reportedly, the John 3:16 Mission is being solicited for the availability of their building for a Vote NO Watch Party.
Sadie's Coffee House - Home of the Vote No watch party!
6:30pm election night until the results are announced (10pm?).
567 E. 36th St. N. - The old Northland Shopping Center
There is plenty of parking, plenty of room, a nice little movie theater in which to watch the returns, and comfortable chairs in which to sit while we wait to celebrate.
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Rico
Hey could I get some help here....!
I found this article on the Metro Chamber site...
Just curious.. What do you suppose the incentive would be for a BOK, QT, worker if they showed up after voting with their "I Voted" sticker and had voted NO
Businesses throughout the county are encouraging their employees to go to the polls for this election period and some have even created incentives for those employees who do turn up to vote. The election offices and precinct locations will be issuing “I Voted� stickers to individuals who vote this election period. This is a great way to identify your employees who have voted and provide them with an incentive for doing so. A watch party for volunteers and contributors will be held on Tuesday, October 9, starting at 6:30 p.m. at the Hilton Southern Hills ballroom.
The Election Eve Watch Party for the Grass-Roots NO RIVER TAX organization has not selected a venue yet.
Reportedly, the John 3:16 Mission is being solicited for the availability of their building for a Vote NO Watch Party.
Sadie's Coffee House - Home of the Vote No watch party!
6:30pm election night until the results are announced (10pm?).
567 E. 36th St. N. - The old Northland Shopping Center
There is plenty of parking, plenty of room, a nice little movie theater in which to watch the returns, and comfortable chairs in which to sit while we wait to celebrate.
Any predictions on the final campaign expenditures for the Kaiser River Tax Vampires?
Will they bust through $2 million? $3 million?
It's already a local campaign spending record for a non-partisan election.
A very wise salesman once told me:
The HARDER the pitch, the POORER the product.
Hmmmmmh?
Probably applies to the avalanch of Vote Yes spending.......