I live on 28th Street just East of Harvard. +/- one block of me over the weekend 3 car stereos were stolen. Another neighbor walked down to Braums and back to get Bfast as his wife slept... when he got back his HDTV was stolen. My next door neighbor had his central A/C unit stolen! The unit is about 15 feet from where my son sleeps. This is only of the handful of people that I know in my neighborhood.
That's simply crazy. I've been pretty secure in my little bubble around here. Glad you can now use deadly force to protect property in Oklahoma, anyone that enters property so boldly is certainly a threat and deserving of getting shot.
Sorry to hear that. Its awful when that kind of thing happens in the area where you live. Make sure every single crime is reported. The police start focusing on an area where there is an increase in crimes. Its amazing how often people dont bother reporting things though.
At a downtown establishment I frequent, on Saturday night there was a cop on the sidewalk shooing motorcycles off the sidewalk and threatening $35 fines.
Last night a truck was stolen from the parking lot of the same establishment and it was a full hour and a half before the police showed up. Odd priorities.
They were booked up last night.....Probably illegals stocking up for the trip home to Mexico...[;)]
My guess is alot of the crime is the result of illegal aliens. I understand the worst area in Tulsa is I-44 and RiverSide south to 61st street and east to Peoria. That chunk of realestate has more crime than any other area in Tulsa. I forgot where I read that.
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My guess is alot of the crime is the result of illegal aliens. I understand the worst area in Tulsa is I-44 and RiverSide south to 61st street and east to Peoria. That chunk of realestate has more crime than any other area in Tulsa. I forgot where I read that.
Well, there's a common ethnic group down there, but it isn't Mexican.
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Originally posted by Conan71
At a downtown establishment I frequent, on Saturday night there was a cop on the sidewalk shooing motorcycles off the sidewalk and threatening $35 fines.
Last night a truck was stolen from the parking lot of the same establishment and it was a full hour and a half before the police showed up. Odd priorities.
You can thank the Mayor for that. She made that a priority.
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Originally posted by Conan71
At a downtown establishment I frequent, on Saturday night there was a cop on the sidewalk shooing motorcycles off the sidewalk and threatening $35 fines.
Last night a truck was stolen from the parking lot of the same establishment and it was a full hour and a half before the police showed up. Odd priorities.
You can thank the Mayor for that. She made that a priority.
Why am I not surprised.
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Originally posted by Conan71
At a downtown establishment I frequent, on Saturday night there was a cop on the sidewalk shooing motorcycles off the sidewalk and threatening $35 fines.
Last night a truck was stolen from the parking lot of the same establishment and it was a full hour and a half before the police showed up. Odd priorities.
You can thank the Mayor for that. She made that a priority.
Why did she make that a priority?
CF, you and your neighbors need to make sure each one of these crimes is reported not matter how small.
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Originally posted by sauerkraut
My guess is alot of the crime is the result of illegal aliens. I understand the worst area in Tulsa is I-44 and RiverSide south to 61st street and east to Peoria. That chunk of realestate has more crime than any other area in Tulsa. I forgot where I read that.
Well, there's a common ethnic group down there, but it isn't Mexican.
I don't know who lives there but that area has the highest crime. I believe the Tulsa World reported that story. The crime numbers can be had on the Tulsa Police web site.
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Originally posted by sauerkraut
My guess is alot of the crime is the result of illegal aliens. I understand the worst area in Tulsa is I-44 and RiverSide south to 61st street and east to Peoria. That chunk of realestate has more crime than any other area in Tulsa. I forgot where I read that.
Bad guess.
Sometimes I wonder if you ever actually lived in the city of Tulsa. Lots of young people finish high school (or dropout?!?) and move out of the house to sign a lease to live in some of those apt complexes on Riverside Drive. It's a time honored tradition. My guess is that the area's always had somewhat higher crime than other parts of Tulsa but...
It seems different now. There are just too many "young punks" and "druggies" who live in that area. Maybe instead of scapegoating illegal aliens, we could take a look at holding THA more accountable and examine possible abuses in Section 8 housing...?!?
Wasn't our current "CEO" mayor of Tulsa elected to do something about the crime problem in Tulsa? Because all I see so far is political correctness, empty-rhetoric and window-dressing...
Can someone please tell me why Tulsa's crime rate is so much higher than OKC's???
Buehler... Buehler...???
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Originally posted by sauerkraut
My guess is alot of the crime is the result of illegal aliens. I understand the worst area in Tulsa is I-44 and RiverSide south to 61st street and east to Peoria. That chunk of realestate has more crime than any other area in Tulsa. I forgot where I read that.
Bad guess.
Sometimes I wonder if you ever actually lived in the city of Tulsa. Lots of young people finish high school (or dropout?!?) and move out of the house to sign a lease to live in some of those apt complexes on Riverside Drive. It's a time honored tradition. My guess is that the area's always had somewhat higher crime than other parts of Tulsa but...
It seems different now. There are just too many "young punks" and "druggies" who live in that area. Maybe instead of scapegoating illegal aliens, we could take a look at holding THA more accountable and examine possible abuses in Section 8 housing...?!?
Wasn't our current "CEO" mayor of Tulsa elected to do something about the crime problem in Tulsa? Because all I see so far is political correctness, empty-rhetoric and window-dressing...
Can someone please tell me why Tulsa's crime rate is so much higher than OKC's???
Buehler... Buehler...???
You know thats interesting. I did an ePodunk search to look at demographics, income levels, ages, educational levels, also looked at drop out rates, expecting Tulsa to be less educated and poorer, have more drop outs expecting that would be the reason. But we are actually a tad better in all of those categories.
One thing I can think of that may have an influence is that areas within OKC that would be considered suburbs in Tulsa. (okc's land area is much larger than our whole county and its population is larger) If we compared Tulsa County to OKC city the crime statistics per person may not be as different. It would appear that we would still be higher though I didnt get down into the stats on that compaison. Plus from what I can tell we have more police officers per person than OKC.
Why we are worse? I don't know. Any other guesses?
However, Oklahomas crime rate, divorce rate, educational levels, income levels, health, etc. are worse than many other parts of the country regardless of what city you choose.
blame the Mexicans....aren't they also responsible for global warming and Britanny's career slump?
When I opened a beer last night it was warm. I knew it had to be Mexicans that caused this heinous injustice.
Carlton... silly boy, "W" is responsible for all things "warming"... including beer.
According to many almanics and web sites that list crime numbers, Tulsa is not bad at all. My home town of Columbus, Ohio has much higher crime numbers than Tulsa, Our auto theft is way higher than Tulsa's and that's based on per 100,l00 people. "real cities" and "monster moving" all have links to compair crime rates. Some books that also point out crime numbers are "Cities ranked & rated-2007" and "The Places rated almanic-2007" I do hear alot of talk about Tulsa crime when I'm in the city and many areas of the city don't seem & feel safe but number-wise Tulsa is really not bad. If you google something like "Tulsa crime rates" you get alot of info. The big thing is are all the crimes reported? If people are not reporting it every time they are a victim of crime that can skew the numbers and give Tulsa a false sense of a lower crime rate than what it should really have.
I don't know if people are reporting all crimes or not. Maybe you should ask them. [}:)]
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I don't know if people are reporting all crimes or not. Maybe you should ask them. [}:)]
I'll make a note of that and ask them next time I see 'em.[:)]
Rut Ro! Cannon, we are very close neighbors. I'm trying to recall what I did all weekend. Let's see, got a new tv, installed a new car stereo, my AC/Unit went out... Seriously though, I remember wondering what the hell the dogs were barking at this weekend (first one I have spent at home in a while), but everytime I went to take a look, it was just folks that I usually see - the hot runner girl (You know who I'm talkin about - not your wife I hope), the go for a walk family, the kid on the skateboard, the street tricycle guy... You've got me stressing. I already watch the street like a hawk!
I think the best areas to live in metro Tulsa are west Tulsa around OakHurst or across the mighty river and Jenks, sapulpa, SandSprings. I have been looking at homes in that area. North Tulsa is a war zone, many east side areas are bad too. I have found a nice block-built home in SandSprings near the Tulsa city line. I'd like to make plans to get a showing of the home. A real estate agent told me the best way to scope out a neighborhood before you a home or even rent an apartment, is to drive around the area on a Friday night, and see who's out on the streets, are kids hanging around corners looking for trouble? If the area passes the "Friday Test" odds are it's a safe area.
I think Cannon would agree that our neighborhood would pass that test pretty well. Before hearing of the recent crime spree, I really have been put at ease over the last few years. Friday and Saturday, we might get a few speeders, some loud bikes sometimes, but hey, it is the middle of a city. I walk to stores or just around my neighborhood with the dog maybe 4 or 5 nights a week. And, you can't beat the location. Everywhere I go is 5-8 minutes away. I even go South of 51st Street a few times a year:) and its still a short trip.
I'm sure I see you if you are around, I know the people you are talking about. I've seen tricycle man as far away as 23rd and Pittsburgh, not sure where his destination/starting point is. I just saw hot runner girl yesterday, I regret to inform you that she is not my wife.
Now I'm trying to figure out who you are. Lady with chocolate lab? Lady with black lab? Big guy with a little dog... or his wife, who always walk separate and let their dogs crap in my yard? I'm guess you live on the same street, since tricycle guy seems to beeline down it.
Anyway, the police I talked to (who was over at the neighbors) said it is common for nicer neighborhoods to have a drive-by crime spree. Basically some jerk cases it out for a week and picks a good day to do it all. Which make sense, its hard to steal your neighbors AC and then be bold enough to use it!
This is the first real trouble I have had in 4 years. Its quite other than standard city noise (what's with the crotch rockets down the BA at like 9pm every Friday Night? Sounds like a race.), neighbors are friendly but generally keep to themselves. Plenty of stores and amenities within walking distance.
I'm a big fan. Isolated incidents are not enough to put me off, especially if the police think they are imports. Means it could happen anywhere. Go rob some rich people jerks!
I don't think I'm any of the neighborhood characters you've mentioned. Contrary to what my apparently effeminate text might lead one to believe, I'm a dude. Now, Lady with black lab, could maybe be my other half, but I have also observed a lady with black lab #2 on the street. My lady is a young lady and my lab is a small lab mix. I'll give you a hint. I have a group of cowboy hat wearing, no extended cab driving, Spanish speaking men on one side and a Spanish/English speaking nuclear family on the other. I am the half Chicano (Chichonkey)English speaking guy in the middle who has a white girl and a black dog. I'm thinking you are either east of me or across from the Nursing home.
BTW - the dogs woke me up barking like hell at 4 AM last night and I shot out the side door in my underwear holding a pistol. You've got me paranoid. I'm gonna wind up being the one who gets arrested! - LOL
Clarification: I did not shoot my pistol out the side door.
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I think the best areas to live in metro Tulsa are west Tulsa around OakHurst or across the mighty river and Jenks, sapulpa, SandSprings. I have been looking at homes in that area. North Tulsa is a war zone, many east side areas are bad too. I have found a nice block-built home in SandSprings near the Tulsa city line. I'd like to make plans to get a showing of the home. A real estate agent told me the best way to scope out a neighborhood before you a home or even rent an apartment, is to drive around the area on a Friday night, and see who's out on the streets, are kids hanging around corners looking for trouble? If the area passes the "Friday Test" odds are it's a safe area.
Oakhurst????
Great place if you don't mind an auto salvage here and there throughout the neighborhood, or building codes which allow trailers in the midst of brick & mortar homes.
Blech!
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Originally posted by sauerkraut
I think the best areas to live in metro Tulsa are west Tulsa around OakHurst or across the mighty river and Jenks, sapulpa, SandSprings. I have been looking at homes in that area. North Tulsa is a war zone, many east side areas are bad too. I have found a nice block-built home in SandSprings near the Tulsa city line. I'd like to make plans to get a showing of the home. A real estate agent told me the best way to scope out a neighborhood before you a home or even rent an apartment, is to drive around the area on a Friday night, and see who's out on the streets, are kids hanging around corners looking for trouble? If the area passes the "Friday Test" odds are it's a safe area.
Oakhurst????
Great place if you don't mind an auto salvage here and there throughout the neighborhood, or building codes which allow trailers in the midst of brick & mortar homes.
Blech!
That's better than having loud neighbors at all hours of the night, I don't like homes real close together, and if the crime rate is lower I don't care if a junk yard is next door, and if there's no schools nearby you don't have to worry about kids and vandals. A junk yard next door can come in handy for me anyhow with my old heap I use alot of parts. Thanx.[:)]
jne:
I Pm'd you my exact addy. We'll have to get together for a beer sometime.
I (think I) know EXACTLY where you live. The aforementioned heard of truck driving Mexican's built a snowman during the last snowstorm. I'm from up norte (eh?) and broke out my cross country skis. I do not believe they had ever seen such a thing and between their bad English and my bad Spanish I took a picture of them and their snowman and they took a picture of me and my skis. Made me chuckle.
I am indeed East of you by about 2 blocks. you may have seen me stagger home from the colony a time or two. But I do no believe you are amongst the cast I speak of. Certainly are a lot of dogs in our neighborhood (I sport a pair: an 80lb black lab/weimrhener [who at my [ahem] garbage yesterday!] and a 55lb Australian Shepard/Shetland Island Sheep Dog).
We seriously have to get together sometime and let the dogs romp. Always good to meet someone in the neighborhood.
PM
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Originally posted by sauerkraut
I think the best areas to live in metro Tulsa are west Tulsa around OakHurst or across the mighty river and Jenks, sapulpa, SandSprings. I have been looking at homes in that area. North Tulsa is a war zone, many east side areas are bad too. I have found a nice block-built home in SandSprings near the Tulsa city line. I'd like to make plans to get a showing of the home. A real estate agent told me the best way to scope out a neighborhood before you a home or even rent an apartment, is to drive around the area on a Friday night, and see who's out on the streets, are kids hanging around corners looking for trouble? If the area passes the "Friday Test" odds are it's a safe area.
Oakhurst????
Great place if you don't mind an auto salvage here and there throughout the neighborhood, or building codes which allow trailers in the midst of brick & mortar homes.
Blech!
That's better than having loud neighbors at all hours of the night, I don't like homes real close together, and if the crime rate is lower I don't care if a junk yard is next door, and if there's no schools nearby you don't have to worry about kids and vandals. A junk yard next door can come in handy for me anyhow with my old heap I use alot of parts. Thanx.[:)]
I forgot to mention, I think they filmed "Night of The Living Tweaker" in Oakhurst. Quite a few people in that part of Creek County who stay up all night...several nights in a row.
Apparently sauerkraut doesn't know Oakhurst THAT well.
I live near Oakhurst. Conan's assessment is pretty on-target. It's pretty rough. There are good people who live there, but the neighborhood is decidedly blue-collar and you'd better not cross them or there'll be hell to pay.
Oakhurst is many things; certainly not idyllic.
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Apparently sauerkraut doesn't know Oakhurst THAT well.
I live near Oakhurst. Conan's assessment is pretty on-target. It's pretty rough. There are good people who live there, but the neighborhood is decidedly blue-collar and you'd better not cross them or there'll be hell to pay.
Oakhurst is many things; certainly not idyllic.
You are correct, I do not know the area very well, I do like west Tulsa, I have been there alot and offten drove down Southwest Blvd- it has classic old time charm of bygone eras. I think west Tulsa is Tulsa's best kept secret. East of the river Tulsa is all malls and stores & shops and traffic choked.
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You are correct, I do not know the area very well, I do like west Tulsa, I have been there alot and offten drove down Southwest Blvd- it has classic old time charm of bygone eras. I think west Tulsa is Tulsa's best kept secret. East of the river Tulsa is all malls and stores & shops and traffic choked.
I drive SW Blvd nearly every day...I must be missing the "old time charm" you see.
Most of what I see makes me sad.
Each day we cry to increase the cities size but like the Midas touch come the crime elements that are protected by the demographics that create a shelter for the criminals. The criminals love the Midas touch that has been given to them.
Like King Midas when this is given with growing cities many find it is too late to remove.
Is not crime a way of life in the big cities?
Society banded together for their protection and now we find that the gathering becomes a safe harbor for the criminal element.
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I live on 28th Street just East of Harvard. +/- one block of me over the weekend 3 car stereos were stolen. Another neighbor walked down to Braums and back to get Bfast as his wife slept... when he got back his HDTV was stolen. My next door neighbor had his central A/C unit stolen! The unit is about 15 feet from where my son sleeps. This is only of the handful of people that I know in my neighborhood.
That's simply crazy. I've been pretty secure in my little bubble around here. Glad you can now use deadly force to protect property in Oklahoma, anyone that enters property so boldly is certainly a threat and deserving of getting shot.
Same here Cannon. I live on 26th St, just east of Yale, about a mile east of you and the same types of things have been going on around me all summer long. There have been about 6 car break-ins at houses surrounding me in the past few months, radios stolen, etc. Just this past Saturday, some yahoo burglared the house next door to me through an open back yard window, stole $100 cash and some electronics, and disappeared. This happened around 2:00 PM in the afternoon! I haven't heard of any A/C units being stolen yet, but it is probably just a matter of time. Seems to me that most of the incidents in my neighborhood have been comitted by juveniles with way too much time on their hands.
All I can do is make sure my property is secure as possible. I make sure all doors and windows are closed and locked when I leave. I keep padlocks on my 2 backyard gates 24/7; won't keep intruders out, but any deterent helps. I keep my house well lit outside at night.
I have noticed more police drive throughs on my street in the past 6 months or so, probably because we have a "problem house" two doors down from me that has had 12 or more police/EMSA calls in the past year, mostly for domestic violence.
What are the current Oklahoma/Tulsa laws on using guns against trespassers at your domicile? I thought you can only fire a gun against an intruder if you feel your life is threatened. I don't own a gun; if I did, I would probably be in jail right now.
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Each day we cry to increase the cities size but like the Midas touch come the crime elements that are protected by the demographics that create a shelter for the criminals. The criminals love the Midas touch that has been given to them.
Like King Midas when this is given with growing cities many find it is too late to remove.
Is not crime a way of life in the big cities?
Society banded together for their protection and now we find that the gathering becomes a safe harbor for the criminal element.
If increasing size increases crime rates. How come things like the murder rate in NYC are about half Tulsas murder rate, and dropping? Londons murder rate is less than half of NYC. Why is the over all crime rate lower in OKC per person even when compared to Tulsa County per person? Why are more rural Southern states, especially rural and smaller cities crime rates, increasing, while the more urban New England states have lower crime rates? Toronto, population over 1million, 1.8 homicides per 100,000 in 2006, Tulsa population 400,000 about 11 homicides per 100,000. And other crimes track similarly.
Crime rates more generally track with income and educational levels than population. Perhaps you prefer the bucolic, pastoral bliss and safety of places like Darfur over the crime ridden pestilence of London or Singapor?
Criminals are not the only ones that benefit from that "Midas Touch", frankly I like that "Midas Touch" too, I make good money off of it. But I in no way want to stop you from your quest to get rid of cities. (whatever it takes to get you off of here) So, good luck with that little endeavor. [8D]
http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/237224
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Just this past Saturday, some yahoo burglared the house next door to me through an open back yard window, stole $100 cash and some electronics, and disappeared. This happened around 2:00 PM in the afternoon! I haven't heard of any A/C units being stolen yet, but it is probably just a matter of time. Seems to me that most of the incidents in my neighborhood have been comitted by juveniles with way too much time on their hands.
All I can do is make sure my property is secure as possible. I make sure all doors and windows are closed and locked when I leave. I keep padlocks on my 2 backyard gates 24/7; won't keep intruders out, but any deterent helps. I keep my house well lit outside at night.
Please believe me when I say Im not making jest of your predicament, but I tend to smirk just a bit when I hear of people lighting their yards in response to daytime burglaries. It's not your fault, though, we have been conditioned to think that way by certain commercial interests.
It's interesting that school districts like those in Oregon, Texas and California have practically eliminated nighttime vandalism and burglaries by
not floodlighting schools the way Tulsa does. (Go to the National Clearinghouse for Educational Facilities website at http://www.edfacilities.org/rl/lighting.cfm and search for "Dark Campus Programs").
And while nothing beats a dog with free access to an enclosed yard, properly-installed motion detector lights shine only when you need it and let you know when someone's around.
Overly-bright dusk-to-dawn lights are what a lot of people are led to believe is "good lighting" but when you and your neighbors are asleep behind thick curtains who's really using that light?
But yeah, visibly open back window + nice weather + bored teens = crime opportunity.
That's when you get to know your neighbors (and make sure your "security" lighting isnt forcing them behind thick curtains).
I have the sensor lights around my house and I like that they are not on. I am more likely to be aware of someone coming around my house when a glaring light suddenly comes on than if it were always on. Plus the neighbors dog barks when any light comes on lol. Just my porchlight is on all night. Dont worry, it is an energy efficient bulb Patric [:P].
While the rest of you are on the front lines battling crime with alarms and sensors, you new (old) police chief is getting ready to move into his $400k digs in the gated part of Wind River snugly tucked away in South County.
I guess being an "at will" employee has its perks.
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I have the sensor lights around my house and I like that they are not on. I am more likely to be aware of someone coming around my house when a glaring light suddenly comes on than if it were always on. Plus the neighbors dog barks when any light comes on lol. Just my porchlight is on all night. Dont worry, it is an energy efficient bulb Patric [:P].
Youre forgiven [;)]
But seriously, light for ambiance and brute force "security" lighting are like comparing apples to oranges. Low-voltage lighting is often a better candidate for lighting walkways and shrubs around homes than those "PROTECTS 300-GAZILLION FEET AROUND YOUR HOME FROM EVIL" glare bombs you see in the stores.
I dont sweat mom and pops 60-watt porch light (but if they're on a fixed income a 12-watt Compact Fluorescent bulb does the job just as well for less money).
Lights, Camera, Action!
All of my lights were left on, and the Speed Shops surveillance camera system was stolen.
Past three times my homes have been burglarized the culprits turned on every light in the house so they could see what they were stealing. They even had the front porch light on so they could see the steps I guess. Of course no one living around us noticed or heard a thing. Second time they used a large truck based on the number and size of items they stole. That was during the middle of the day between 1pm and 5:30pm while we were all at work.
Today they even steal the trash-cans to haul the stuff away. Girls that work for us were hit and the thieves took the large green trash-can on wheels to roll their goods away in. Came in the front window and went out the front door!
Day or night, I have been broke into at all hours. Interesting observation however is that every time I got hit one else other than the thieves was at our house.
I would submit that someone that knows you has eye contact with your home or building or knows someone that knows you commits the majority of these types of burglaries.
My sister was hit in another state. She was running errands around town and noticed a strange vehicle that seemed to be following her. She phoned her husband and he met her at the entrance to their neighborhood. Upon arriving home the discovered they had been burglarized of the majority of their belongings. Thieves had a large moving type truck. A clock had been knocked off the wall and stopped just 8 minutes before they returned to discover they had been hit.
Person in the other vehicle was obviously in contact with those in the house during the robbery. He peeled off before she reached her neighborhood.
All the sophisticated alarms, lights, dogs, and helpful neighbors are easily defeated by someone that knows you or has given the information to others. Called Social Engineering and there is little one can do about it.
Just be heavily insured using a product that provides "Full Replacement Value" and has and low deductibles.
Primo's Mexican restaurant on North Sheridan put a super nice flat screen TV in their dining area. I told the owners that that TV would not last two weeks there. They had a back door with a glass window and a thumb dead bolt on the inside. They also had a large glass aluminum frame window on the front. Both eaisly broken. They had an alarm system working, but we all know the response time for those monitored systems is slow. Thieves broke the front door window, smash and grabbed the TV and tuner system and were gone in 60 seconds.
The strip center to the South of that location has been broken into a dozen times. Video games in the Laundry smash and grab, windows in the carpet store and petty cash drawer smash and grab, water outlets have been left on causing flooding, list goes on.
Lady near our office had her 1988 Oldsmobile stolen out of the parking lot. Her neighbor had his late model pickup drivers window smashed and his steering column damaged. Thieves broke the lock on the tool box in the truck bed and made off with $1,500 in tools. Four windows in that building have been smashed in. Across the street man has had three of his cars broken into and had stereo systems from all of them stolen. Person I know in Yukon, Oklahoma experienced the same problem last week at his repair shop. Customers cars were hit and six stereo systems were stolen among other items.
WoW, I have been reading the stories about crime, it seems pretty darn bad. A big part of the problem is law enforcement does not rake break-in crimes "high" on the list of crimes from what I hear- and the punishment, if caught is not much more than a wrist slap. That's part of the reason I moved out of the Dallas/Fort Worth Metro-plex in 1990, The crime was getting real bad and I just my divorce so no use staying there. Crime in Texas was real bad, you could not have nothing without the risk of it being taken.
I guess one of the best things a person can do to protect your stuff is to own a dog, criminals like to avoid homes with dogs. It's really bad that you can't buy anything nice for your home without the risk of it being taken. A HDTV is a hot theft item as are electronics.
Artist:
Using Time almanac under, law enforcement, NYC reports violent crimes per 100K in 1995 as murder 16.1, rape 32.4, robbery 809. Burglary 1009.5.
Tulsa: murder 8, rape 67.8, robbery251.1, burglary 1,610 per 100K.
In 1950 when we left town over the weekend we did not even lock the doors. We left the keys in the cars over night.
The city has grown only 30K since 1995 and we already this year have 10.25 + murders per 100k and increasing weekly. There are many factors that must be considered when comparing the 400k of Tulsa to the 7.5 million of NYC.
We place steel bars over our windows and doors. Even what is considered a small city we already cannot control crime. We are prisoners in our own homes, still we want to increase the availability of persons on trails and gathering places to the uncontrolled criminal element.
The same fellow that calculated the income we would get from the lottery for education and the PGA in sales taxes must also be calculating the riches we have coming from world travelers coming to see our sand bar river after development. Wake up the coffee is ready.
I owned an obedience utility level trained German Shepherd I purchased from a reputable kennel that breeds these dogs. He was home when I was broken into. Thieves broke the window in the kitchen door, and reached in and unlocked the dead-bolt lock. They left out the garage door and through the overhead roll up. Loaded up right in the driveway.
My dog was 8-yrs old at the time, and had lived with me since he was a puppy, was standing in the garage when I arrived home that evening after work. He did not seem to act abnormal at all about the entire deal. Didn't seem to bother him one bit. Guess if they had tried to take his toys, chew bones, water bowl or food there may of been a totally different outcome.
We have owned monitored alarms, surveillance camera recording systems, dogs, motion lights, dead-bolts, bars on windows. Been there done most of it. They stole the camera recording equipment from the speed shop. Cut the wires to the alarm and disabled the phone dialer by using a hacksaw to cut the conduit containing all the phone lines to the building we were in. Smashed the crap out of the alarm box on the wall once they pryed the door open using a crow bar they left behind. Rolled the safe out the back door using a task chair on wheels. Cut the safe open using a quickie concrete saw they stole from Irish O'Gradys pawn shop when they robbed him. Use a stolen Ford from the ford dealership to haul away some of the stuff.
Ones that broke into our office were caught months later with some of the evidence at their residence.
Shadows... while I agree with the major premise that there is too much crime -
Go find statistics from sometime in the last decade.
and no one cares what happened in 1950. In spite of everything being paved with gold, the races singing together in harmony, and there being no crime on the streets - I do not care. I know people in Tulsa today that do not lock this doors, does that somehow make them smart or more secure? In the 1950's kids used to steal cars to take them for joy rides and it was just kids stuff... it was a different world. For better or worse, its DEAD. Please, for the love of god, move on with your life.
The problem is with our revolving door justice system and bleeding heart liberal judges. We need to get tough on these criminals and have the punishment fit the crime.
When the crooks are caught they should be put into jail and stay there till they pay back everything they took and only then can they released. If it was up to me, I'd have a hard labor camp for the criminals.
Bring back chain gangs!
I'm a big fan of that Sheriff in Arizona.
Live in a tent city, you pay for your stay, TV and other comforts are a privilege, the chance to go work is a privilege. They eat whatever the office can buy the cheapest, they perform most of the maintenance in the camp.
Too many of these kids never learned what society expects, he shows them what is expected or they essentially get a cot, bread, and clothes. Its punishment, its education, and its cheaper for the county. "Certainly a prisoner in Arizona should live no better than a United States Soldier in Iraq."
I'd for for a similar program here in a heartbeat.
I hate to use Wiki as a source, but its a quick and dirty guide to some of his policies:
Changes to Jail Operations
Arpaio believes that inmates should be treated as harshly as legally possible to emphasize the punishment aspect of their incarceration. Thus, upon his initial election Arpaio began instituting the controversial changes for which he would later become noted.
Arpaio began to serve inmates surplus food (mainly outdated and oxidized green bologna)[1] and limited meals to twice daily. Meal costs would be reduced to 90 cents per day; as of 2007 Arpaio states that he has managed to reduce costs to 30 cents per day. Certain food items were banned from the county jail, mainly coffee (which also reduced 'coffee attacks' on guards), but later salt and pepper were removed from the jail (at a purported taxpayer savings of $20,000/year).
Arpaio banned smoking in the county jail. He also removed pornographic magazines (the ban was later upheld in court) and weightlifting equipment. Entertainment was limited to G-rated movies; the cable TV system (mandated by court order) was severely blocked by Arpaio to limit viewing to those stations Arpaio deems to be "educational", mainly Animal Planet, Disney Channel, The Weather Channel, A&E, CNN, and the local government access channel.
Arpaio also instituted a program for inmates to study while in jail and to try to recover from drug abuse. Hard Knocks High states to be the only approved high school program in any American jail. Another jail program, called ALPHA, is aimed solely at getting inmates away from drug abuse.
In October 2005, Arpaio started mandatory 2-week English classes for non-English-speaking inmates at his jails. Classes last 2 hours a day. The curriculum comprises the three branches of government, how a bill becomes law, state government, law enforcement and court services, and jailhouse "situational" terminology. At the end of the 2-week course, inmates are required to take a test to see how well they have learned about American government, the words to God Bless America, and the communication of health and safety needs. In response to critics, Arpaio responded, "These inmates happen to be incarcerated in the United States of America and in Maricopa County where I run the jails, we speak English here, not foreign languages."
In February 2007, Arpaio instituted an in-house radio station, KJOE, which broadcasts classical music, opera, Frank Sinatra hits, obscenity-free patriotic music, and educational programming, from the basement of the county jail. The station airs four hours each day, five days a week. In March of 2007, the Maricopa County Jail hosted "Inmate Idol"[2], a takeoff on the popular TV show.
[edit] Chain Gangs
Shortly after taking office, Arpaio reinstituted chain gangs, the controversial form of inmate labor which had been virtually eliminated in the United States.
Arpaio believes that chain gangs are not a form of punishment, but instead of rehabilitation. Inmates who are low-risk but with a history of jail incidents can apply to serve as free labor. Inmates work eight-hours a day, six days a week (Sundays off), mainly outside. The inmates wear traditional black-and-white striped uniforms (see below for more details) with a cap to protect against the desert heat. Inmates perform such tasks as creating fire breaks, removing trash, and burying deceased indigent persons in the county cemetery.
Arpaio also expanded the chain gang concept by instituting the world's first female chain gang. [3] Female inmates work seven hours a day (7 AM to 2 PM), six days a week. Arpaio has also instituted the world's first all-juvenile chain gang. [4]
[edit] Think Pink
One of Arpaio's most noted changes was the introduction of pink underwear. Arpaio noted that the traditional white underwear, labeled with Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, was being smuggled out of the jails and sold on the streets. Arpaio thus had the underwear dyed pink, believing that pink is not considered a "macho" color, and would not be stolen. Once the public learned of the change, requests came in for orders, and Arpaio began selling customized pink boxers (with the Maricopa County Sheriff's logo and "Go Joe") as a fund-raiser for sheriff's operations.
Arpaio subsequently introduced pink handcuffs among sheriff's deputies, who were taking the traditional silver-colored ones [2]. Later, when Arpaio learned that the color pink has a known psychological calming effect, he began dyeing sheets, socks, towels, and all other fabric items in pink.
The outer uniform is not pink, but traditional black-and-white. This was part of another Arpaio-instituted change. One day, Arpaio thought he saw an inmate escapee in the then-existing sea-green inmate uniform outside the jail (it turned out to be a hospital worker in scrubs). Later, he noted that the orange uniforms of the chain gangs were similar to uniforms used by county workers (the orange being needed for safety). Believing that inmates should be easily identifiable should they escape, Arpaio re-instituted the traditional black-and-white inmate uniforms, which even with the advent of everything else being pink has not changed.
[edit] Tent City
The most noted, and controversial, of Arpaio's ideas was the set-up of "Tent City" as an extension of the Maricopa County Jail (coordinates: [show location on an interactive map] 33°25#8242;40.09#8243;N, 112°07#8242;26.61#8243;W).
When Arpaio took office, inmates were routinely being released early due to overcrowding. Arpaio believed that "courts, not head count" should determine when an inmate is released, and that no officer should be deterred from making an arrest for fear that the inmate would be released due to jail overcrowding.
However, a new jail would have cost Maricopa County taxpayers around US$70 million. So instead, Arpaio obtained used tents from the military, and established Tent City in a parking lot adjacent to one of the jail facilities. As an announcement to future inmates that they should not expect early release upon overcrowding, but more tents instead, Arpaio added a (pink neon) "Vacancy" sign to the outside of Tent City. The original sign was destroyed in an inmate riot, but was quickly replaced. A second Tent City was opened in 1996 adjacent to another jail facility, and houses female inmates.
During the summer of 2003, when outside temperatures exceeded 110 degrees Fahrenheit (higher than average, even for scorching hot Phoenix) Arpaio said to complaining inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths" [3]. Inmates were given permission to wear only their pink underwear.
Tent City has been criticized by groups contending these are violations of human and constitutional rights, and simultaneously praised by those favoring Arpaio's "get tough on crime" approach.
In response to requests, the Sheriff's office offers group tours of its unique and controversial Tent City. In addition, Arpaio has instituted "S.M.A.R.T." Tents (Shocking Mainstream Adolescents into Resisting Temptation), a voluntary program for middle-school students who are bussed to an area adjacent to Tent City and, for the next 24 hours, are shown the reality of jail life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
We had four brand new in the crate $4,000 motocross motorcycles stolen from the dealership one weekend. They had been delivered late Saturday afternoon and were paid for and needed to be assembled and delivered.
These machines were allocated to the dealer network based on the previous years sales and orders.
The guys that stole them were caught by an observent near by neighbor where they lived and were riding the machines. Unfortunatly, they failed to add transmission oil and damaged all four engines.
The judge ordered them to pay restitution by working at our dealership for the summer. Needless to say that did not happen. We did not want them coming within miles of our location.
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Originally posted by shadows
Artist:
Using Time almanac under, law enforcement, NYC reports violent crimes per 100K in 1995 as murder 16.1, rape 32.4, robbery 809. Burglary 1009.5.
Tulsa: murder 8, rape 67.8, robbery251.1, burglary 1,610 per 100K.
In 1950 when we left town over the weekend we did not even lock the doors. We left the keys in the cars over night.
The city has grown only 30K since 1995 and we already this year have 10.25 + murders per 100k and increasing weekly. There are many factors that must be considered when comparing the 400k of Tulsa to the 7.5 million of NYC.
We place steel bars over our windows and doors. Even what is considered a small city we already cannot control crime. We are prisoners in our own homes, still we want to increase the availability of persons on trails and gathering places to the uncontrolled criminal element.
The same fellow that calculated the income we would get from the lottery for education and the PGA in sales taxes must also be calculating the riches we have coming from world travelers coming to see our sand bar river after development. Wake up the coffee is ready.
As per usual you seem to be living in the past. Times have changed. 1995 is ancient history. I was looking at 2006 crime statistics.
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Originally posted by sauerkraut
When the crooks are caught they should be put into jail and stay there till they pay back everything they took and only then can they released. If it was up to me, I'd have a hard labor camp for the criminals.
I agree. They should pay their own way in prison and pay back what they stole or damaged.