Tulsa Now is sponsoring a "debate" between the Kaiser River Tax campaign and the No River Tax Campaign on Tuesday, Sept. 18.
Mr. Ken Busby, Executive Director of the Arts and Humanities Council of Tulsa, will be the Moderator.
If a debate moderator shows overt signs of bias, should he be replaced?
Mr. Busby has TWO Our River Yes campaign signs planted in his south Tulsa yard.....
Isn't this overt BIAS??
[:O]
He's not choosing a winner. If you can find someone not pre-decided on the issue, then you're going to find someone who likely doesn't know enough about the issues to moderate.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
He's not choosing a winner. If you can find someone not pre-decided on the issue, then you're going to find someone who likely doesn't know enough about the issues to moderate.
Well, if a "debate" moderator is already a PUBLIC advocate for one side of the debate, isn't that pretty strong EVIDENCE that he's pre-disposed to FAVOR that side??
A BIASED debate moderator has incredible leverage to ask easy, pre-arranged softball-type questions of the side he/she favors, while asking brutal, "When-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife?" type attack questions against the opposing side......
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
He's not choosing a winner. If you can find someone not pre-decided on the issue, then you're going to find someone who likely doesn't know enough about the issues to moderate.
Well, if a "debate" moderator is already a PUBLIC advocate for one side of the debate, isn't that pretty strong EVIDENCE that he's pre-disposed to FAVOR that side??
A BIASED debate moderator has incredible leverage to ask easy, pre-arranged softball-type questions of the side he/she favors, while asking brutal, "When-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife?" type attack questions against the opposing side......
The moderator is acting a announcer/narrarator only. Questions are presubmitted by the general public and drawn at random. He can look scorningly at one side, but that's about it.
I've known Ken Busby for several years. He'll understand his role as moderator and do just fine.
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Originally posted by Wilbur
I've known Ken Busby for several years. He'll understand his role as moderator and do just fine.
Wilbur will pistol-whip him otherwise.
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Originally posted by Wilbur
I've known Ken Busby for several years. He'll understand his role as moderator and do just fine.
It is understood quite well that he has
TWO Our River Yes campaign signs out in the front yard.
His bias is already apparent. He's made up his mind. He's not neutral.
In the interests of fairness, which has not been a hall-mark of the Vote Yes Cabal, the Moderator should be changed to a
NEUTRAL party, that's not part of the Favors-Trading Network of connected cronies.
I think he will be a fine moderator. He is very professional and used to dealing with odd people like artists. The TulsaNow board is comprised of people on both the yes and no side of this issue. Any of us would have a slant to one side. This is a debate put on by TulsaNow and it follows the rules set up by them. Ken Busby was the best choice from the board of directors.
This is going to be a good debate on the issues with passionate people on both sides.
I am so glad that TulsaNow is doing this. Up until now, everything else has either been a pro-yes presentation or a vote no rally. This will be the first and maybe only real debate.
This is a positive thing for Tulsa and completely the perfect role for a group like TulsaNow. This is a good thing.
I knew that friendly bear would find something to complain about. No matter how good something is, he will wine and try to make up some controversy. He is the only bear I know that tries to put out his own traps.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Wilbur
I've known Ken Busby for several years. He'll understand his role as moderator and do just fine.
It is understood quite well that he has TWO Our River Yes campaign signs out in the front yard.
His bias is already apparent. He's made up his mind. He's not neutral.
In the interests of fairness, which has not been a hall-mark of the Vote Yes Cabal, the Moderator should be changed to a NEUTRAL party, that's not part of the Favors-Trading Network of connected cronies.
Well you couldn't be moderator either by your standards. Can't say I've seen a single political debate with a moderator that fits your standards either.
The moderator is there to do nothing more than keep the debate on track, monitor alotted time to the speaker, and present the questions. He doesn't have any impact on the outcome. Friendly Bear, if you want to have an impact or learn more about it, then go to the forum. Audience member's questions can have more of an impact than the moderator.
I think it's great TN is involved in it.
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
I think he will be a fine moderator. He is very professional and used to dealing with odd people like artists. The TulsaNow board is comprised of people on both the yes and no side of this issue. Any of us would have a slant to one side. This is a debate put on by TulsaNow and it follows the rules set up by them. Ken Busby was the best choice from the board of directors.
This is going to be a good debate on the issues with passionate people on both sides.
I am so glad that TulsaNow is doing this. Up until now, everything else has either been a pro-yes presentation or a vote no rally. This will be the first and maybe only real debate.
This is a positive thing for Tulsa and completely the perfect role for a group like TulsaNow. This is a good thing.
I knew that friendly bear would find something to complain about. No matter how good something is, he will wine and try to make up some controversy. He is the only bear I know that tries to put out his own traps.
And, Busby's already
BIASED.
The SIGNS are there to
PROVE IT.
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
I think he will be a fine moderator. He is very professional and used to dealing with odd people like artists. The TulsaNow board is comprised of people on both the yes and no side of this issue. Any of us would have a slant to one side. This is a debate put on by TulsaNow and it follows the rules set up by them. Ken Busby was the best choice from the board of directors.
This is going to be a good debate on the issues with passionate people on both sides.
I am so glad that TulsaNow is doing this. Up until now, everything else has either been a pro-yes presentation or a vote no rally. This will be the first and maybe only real debate.
This is a positive thing for Tulsa and completely the perfect role for a group like TulsaNow. This is a good thing.
I knew that friendly bear would find something to complain about. No matter how good something is, he will wine and try to make up some controversy. He is the only bear I know that tries to put out his own traps.
Commenting about a "moderator" that has two VOTE YES sings sunk into his front yard is pointing out the BIAS of the Moderator.
By definition, a "moderator" is intended to be neutral in all respects to the debate.
Your moderator has already shown his bias.
In the interests of fairness, that at least
DISQUALIFIES him to be the moderator.
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Originally posted by Conan71
The moderator is there to do nothing more than keep the debate on track, monitor alotted time to the speaker, and present the questions. He doesn't have any impact on the outcome. Friendly Bear, if you want to have an impact or learn more about it, then go to the forum. Audience member's questions can have more of an impact than the moderator.
I think it's great TN is involved in it.
Let's just imagine how Mr. Biased Busby will ask those questions from the audience.
Uh, here's an easy one, I'll ask this easy one of my Vote Yes Friends:
Tell us why a Vote Yes is
"For the Children".....Uh, here's a real hard one; think I'll throw this hardball at the
Vote NO Meanies.
Question for Vote No Meanies:
Why do you HATE Tulsa's Children so much?
Some survey published last month said that only nine percent of the people were undecided on this issue.
You think we should only allow people in that nine percent to moderate?
Why don't you give him a chance?
(I bet he doen't use the word "meanies").
Better find some other issue to get outraged about, F.B.
This one isn't getting any traction.
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
Some survey published last month said that only nine percent of the people were undecided on this issue.
You think we should only allow people in that nine percent to moderate?
Why don't you give him a chance?
(I bet he doen't use the word "meanies").
I think the questions should be gathered in a fishbowl, where they should remain unread until Wormtail draws it randomly from the bowl to ask the question.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
Better find some other issue to get outraged about, F.B.
This one isn't getting any traction.
Who's Outraged?
This kind of Delphi-technique is about par for the course in:
THE BANANA REPUBLIC OF TULSA.
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
Some survey published last month said that only nine percent of the people were undecided on this issue.
You think we should only allow people in that nine percent to moderate?
Why don't you give him a chance?
(I bet he doen't use the word "meanies").
I think the questions should be gathered in a fishbowl, where they should remain unread until Wormtail draws it randomly from the bowl to ask the question.
That's how it is working. Verbatim.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
This kind of Delphi-technique...
Are you saying that, since some of "Vote no" guys don't agree with you on this one, then somebody must have "gotten to them"? Someone must have brainwashed, bullied, or otherwise manipulated them?
The people here have confidence in the guy's abilities...confidence based on experience; I've seen him do this three or four times. He speaks clearly, listens, follows and enforces the rules, and keeps things moving along and productive. It's a tough job; it requires both talent and concentration to do it well. No doubt he was chosen, once again, because he does the job well.
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Originally posted by Chicken Little
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
This kind of Delphi-technique...
Are you saying that, since some of "Vote no" guys don't agree with you on this one, then somebody must have "gotten to them"? Someone must have brainwashed, bullied, or otherwise manipulated them?
The people here have confidence in the guy's abilities...confidence based on experience; I've seen him do this three or four times. He speaks clearly, listens, follows and enforces the rules, and keeps things moving along and productive. It's a tough job; it requires both talent and concentration to do it well. No doubt he was chosen, once again, because he does the job well.
No doubt?
Well, I for one doubt that someone who has TWO
Vote Yes to the Higher Kaiser River Taxes campaign signs in his front yard CAN be impartial.
His bias is
palpable.And, you are defending the indefensible.
Suggest you audition for the
Friends of Sinator Larry Craig Fan Club, next.
[8D]
I am sure he will give both parties a chance to present both sides of the question with a fair trial before the NO's are taken out and hanged.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Chicken Little
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
This kind of Delphi-technique...
Are you saying that, since some of "Vote no" guys don't agree with you on this one, then somebody must have "gotten to them"? Someone must have brainwashed, bullied, or otherwise manipulated them?
The people here have confidence in the guy's abilities...confidence based on experience; I've seen him do this three or four times. He speaks clearly, listens, follows and enforces the rules, and keeps things moving along and productive. It's a tough job; it requires both talent and concentration to do it well. No doubt he was chosen, once again, because he does the job well.
No doubt?
Well, I for one doubt that someone who has TWO Vote Yes to the Higher Kaiser River Taxes campaign signs in his front yard CAN be impartial.
His bias is palpable.
And, you are defending the indefensible.
Suggest you audition for the Friends of Sinator Larry Craig Fan Club, next.
[8D]
I'll go pull one out if you;ll drop this whole diatribe.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
quote:
Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
Some survey published last month said that only nine percent of the people were undecided on this issue.
You think we should only allow people in that nine percent to moderate?
Why don't you give him a chance?
(I bet he doen't use the word "meanies").
I think the questions should be gathered in a fishbowl, where they should remain unread until Wormtail draws it randomly from the bowl to ask the question.
That's how it is working. Verbatim.
No pre-screening by the question gatherers or the moderator? It won't be read by anyone besides the author, until it is pulled randomly from the bowl by the moderator? How will that work with the e-mail questions? Next time Tulsa Now plans a forum like this, it would be cool if people were able to submit youtube questions similar to the youtube presidential debates.
Out of curiosity, I went to dictionary.com, typed in "moderator" and looked at the many definitions.
The relevant results defined a moderator who acts as referee or presider over differing parties.
Do you know how many instances I found in dictionary.com that a moderator should be "impartial" or "unbiased"?
None. Nada.
The moderator is there to keep the discussions or debates on track, interject if the talk gets too heated, and ensure a smooth-running event. Nothing more. There's nothing in the definitions that indicate a moderator should be vacuous in *all* his opinions to be acceptable at the job. It's more of a skill than a state of mind.
I currently am an undecided voter with the river tax. By F.B.'s tortured logic, I would be an ideal moderator. However, I have no background as such.
So I will wisely defer to Mr. Busby's experience and good references and let him be the TulsaNow moderator. [8D]
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Originally posted by Double A
No pre-screening by the question gatherers or the moderator? It won't be read by anyone besides the author, until it is pulled randomly from the bowl by the moderator? How will that work with the e-mail questions? Next time Tulsa Now plans a forum like this, it would be cool if people were able to submit youtube questions similar to the youtube presidential debates.
They are read by others so they can be transcribed onto identical pieces of paper, but not by the moderator or speakers. Youtube would be a good idea.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
Out of curiosity, I went to dictionary.com, typed in "moderator" and looked at the many definitions.
The relevant results defined a moderator who acts as referee or presider over differing parties.
Do you know how many instances I found in dictionary.com that a moderator should be "impartial" or "unbiased"?
None. Nada.
The moderator is there to keep the discussions or debates on track, interject if the talk gets too heated, and ensure a smooth-running event. Nothing more. There's nothing in the definitions that indicate a moderator should be vacuous in *all* his opinions to be acceptable at the job. It's more of a skill than a state of mind.
I currently am an undecided voter with the river tax. By F.B.'s tortured logic, I would be an ideal moderator. However, I have no background as such.
So I will wisely defer to Mr. Busby's experience and good references and let him be the TulsaNow moderator. [8D]
We would NOT allow a Referee of any event that has a KNOWN bias serve as a referee.
Period
Like if a Referee had a
GG JENKS TROJANS, Beat Broken Arrow sign in his front yard, he's going to be allowed to REFEREE that event??????
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by rwarn17588
Out of curiosity, I went to dictionary.com, typed in "moderator" and looked at the many definitions.
The relevant results defined a moderator who acts as referee or presider over differing parties.
Do you know how many instances I found in dictionary.com that a moderator should be "impartial" or "unbiased"?
None. Nada.
The moderator is there to keep the discussions or debates on track, interject if the talk gets too heated, and ensure a smooth-running event. Nothing more. There's nothing in the definitions that indicate a moderator should be vacuous in *all* his opinions to be acceptable at the job. It's more of a skill than a state of mind.
I currently am an undecided voter with the river tax. By F.B.'s tortured logic, I would be an ideal moderator. However, I have no background as such.
So I will wisely defer to Mr. Busby's experience and good references and let him be the TulsaNow moderator. [8D]
We would NOT allow a Referee of any event that has a KNOWN bias serve as a referee.
Period
Like if a Referee had a GG JENKS TROJANS, Beat Broken Arrow sign in his front yard, he's going to be allowed to REFEREE that event??????
They're playing football at the river tax forum? Jenks and Broken Arrow? And Busby is the referee? Now I'm confused.
Apparently, F.B., you failed to comprehend what I am saying.
Whether Busby is biased is immaterial to his role. He has been enlisted as a moderator for the forum, which is a different than an advocate. He has experience as a moderator to keep a forum lively and on-track. That's all.
If there are a huge number of "no" voters at the river tax forum, that will quickly be apparent, and nothing will change that.
In the bigger picture, virtually all of us have a bias in one way or another because of our ingrained prejudices and/or life experiences. Yet many of these same people can act professionally in their roles and suppress their biases if called upon.
I'm sure there's many an NFL referee who admires Peyton Manning, but wouldn't hesitate to throw a penalty flag if he's moving his head too much behind the center and trying to draw the defense offsides. That's what professional refs -- and professionals -- do.
Mr. Busby is apparently valued as a moderator because of his previous skills in this, not because of his opinions. That's why he was chosen.
A vacuous and unskilled moderator would be disastrous for a forum. It's better to have a skilled one who can at least *act* disinterested, keep the forum running smoothly, and give everyone a fair say.
People who have misgivings against the river tax have discerned this difference between being a moderator and an advocate, and have accepted it.
If you're so concerned about it, stop being so Quixotic about this issue, go to the forum and give your one-cent's worth.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
Apparently, F.B., you failed to comprehend what I am saying.
Whether Busby is biased is immaterial to his role. He has been enlisted as a moderator for the forum, which is a different than an advocate. He has experience as a moderator to keep a forum lively and on-track. That's all.
If there are a huge number of "no" voters at the river tax forum, that will quickly be apparent, and nothing will change that.
In the bigger picture, virtually all of us have a bias in one way or another because of our ingrained prejudices and/or life experiences. Yet many of these same people can act professionally in their roles and suppress their biases if called upon.
I'm sure there's many an NFL referee who admires Peyton Manning, but wouldn't hesitate to throw a penalty flag if he's moving his head too much behind the center and trying to draw the defense offsides. That's what professional refs -- and professionals -- do.
Mr. Busby is apparently valued as a moderator because of his previous skills in this, not because of his opinions. That's why he was chosen.
A vacuous and unskilled moderator would be disastrous for a forum. It's better to have a skilled one who can at least *act* disinterested, keep the forum running smoothly, and give everyone a fair say.
People who have misgivings against the river tax have discerned this difference between being a moderator and an advocate, and have accepted it.
If you're so concerned about it, stop being so Quixotic about this issue, go to the forum and give your one-cent's worth.
I understand that you're still
Defending the Indefensible.He disqualified himself as an impartial referee when he planted two
OUR RIVER YES campaign signs in his front yard.
Period.
He's not an impartial referee. He's a partisan and an advocate for the Kaiser River Tax.
And, he was picked as Moderator FOR THAT REASON.
Afterall, the heritage of the TulsaNow organization is the MetroChamberPots, who never met a sales tax they didn't like.
And, when Mr. Busby tries to Delphi the public forum to favor the Vote Yes Cabal, just what is anyone supposed to do about it, as members of the audience??
Hiss??
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
I understand that you're still Defending the Indefensible.
He disqualified himself as an impartial referee when he planted two OUR RIVER YES campaign signs in his front yard.
Period.
He's not an impartial referee. He's a partisan and an advocate for the Kaiser River Tax.
And, he was picked as Moderator FOR THAT REASON.
Afterall, the heritage of the TulsaNow organization is the MetroChamberPots, who never met a sales tax they didn't like.
And, when Mr. Busby tries to Delphi the public forum to favor the Vote Yes Cabal, just what is anyone supposed to do about it, as members of the audience??
Hiss??
I could wave a stick for a week and not hit a fact in that entire post.
But you could swing a stick and beat this dead horse one more blow.
(http://www.undertheiceberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/BeatDeadHorse.gif)
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
I understand that you're still Defending the Indefensible.
He disqualified himself as an impartial referee when he planted two OUR RIVER YES campaign signs in his front yard.
Period.
He's not an impartial referee. He's a partisan and an advocate for the Kaiser River Tax.
And, he was picked as Moderator FOR THAT REASON.
Afterall, the heritage of the TulsaNow organization is the MetroChamberPots, who never met a sales tax they didn't like.
And, when Mr. Busby tries to Delphi the public forum to favor the Vote Yes Cabal, just what is anyone supposed to do about it, as members of the audience??
Hiss??
I could wave a stick for a week and not hit a fact in that entire post.
It's a
FACT that Mr. Busby has two Our River Yes campaign signs in his front yard.
Oh, he must have put the signs there because he does NOT believe in the Kaiser River Tax?
He's a partisan. Not a referee.
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
I understand that you're still Defending the Indefensible.
He disqualified himself as an impartial referee when he planted two OUR RIVER YES campaign signs in his front yard.
Period.
He's not an impartial referee. He's a partisan and an advocate for the Kaiser River Tax.
And, he was picked as Moderator FOR THAT REASON.
Afterall, the heritage of the TulsaNow organization is the MetroChamberPots, who never met a sales tax they didn't like.
And, when Mr. Busby tries to Delphi the public forum to favor the Vote Yes Cabal, just what is anyone supposed to do about it, as members of the audience??
Hiss??
I could wave a stick for a week and not hit a fact in that entire post.
It's a FACT that Mr. Busby has two Our River Yes campaign signs in his front yard.
Oh, he must have put the signs there because he does NOT believe in the Kaiser River Tax?
He's a partisan. Not a referee.
Has anybody heard Ken Busby has TWO pro river tax signs in his front yard?
^^ I vaguely recall hearing that somewhere, must've been at the bar the other night.
Two signs?
he must be stopped.
I offered to remove one of them so he would only have one sign, and thus be impartial.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
I offered to remove one of them so he would only have one sign, and thus be impartial.
If there were both
Our River Yes, AND a
NO RIVER TAX signs in Mr. Busby's yard, then that would be evidence of impartiality.
Or, evidence of bi-polar thinking.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
I offered to remove one of them so he would only have one sign, and thus be impartial.
If there were both Our River Yes, AND a NO RIVER TAX signs in Mr. Busby's yard, then that would be evidence of impartiality.
Or, evidence of bi-polar thinking.
"Bipolar disorder - recurrent episodes of significant disturbance in mood."
HA, hellooooooo kettle
^^ Owww! That'll leave a mark.
[}:)]
Well I just got back and if Ken Busby was doing anything to help the "pro" side it wasn't working...
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Well I just got back and if Ken Busby was doing anything to help the "pro" side it wasn't working...
That bad huh...?
Well cheer up... maybe Kaiser will buy the River and turn it into his own private Idaho...
[}:)]
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Originally posted by Rico
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
Well I just got back and if Ken Busby was doing anything to help the "pro" side it wasn't working...
That bad huh...?
Well cheer up... maybe Kaiser will buy the River and turn it into his own private Idaho...
[}:)]
Isn't that what the conceptual gathering places are for? Toe tapping fun for a little rough trade on the river. Sorry, but given the history of river parks, I just couldn't resist.
I thought Busby did a good job of moderating. The pro side was allowed to run over time a few times. I didn't have a problem with it as long as they could provide substantive information. I certainly didn't see any bias by Busby toward the anti's.
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Originally posted by Conan71
I thought Busby did a good job of moderating. The pro side was allowed to run over time a few times. I didn't have a problem with it as long as they could provide substantive information. I certainly didn't see any bias by Busby toward the anti's.
How NICE of Mr. Unbiased Busby, the proud owner of TWO
Our River Tax campaign signs prominently planted in his front yard, to allow the VOTE YES debaters additional time to answer their questions.
How very, very NICE!
Just Swell.
I hope he puts out a third sign in his yard just to make you freak out.
Don't you bears have some rummaging through trash cans to do?
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
I hope he puts out a third sign in his yard just to make you freak out.
Don't you bears have some rummaging through trash cans to do?
Wonder if that Tote-the-Note We-Hablo-Espanole used car dealer is offering a BOUNTY on
Our River Yes campaign signs??
Apparently Mr. Busby's bias didn't affect the anti-taxers one iota. Busby did his job effectively, which was to moderate.
Apparently, the rather mixed group of TulsaNow posters' lack of fears about the forum was right, and F.B.'s fears about the forum was wrong.
By the way, F.B., you don't HAVE to capitalize every eighth or ninth word in your POSTS. Good, clear and nonpompous writing should render that UNNECESSARY.
[}:)]
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
Apparently Mr. Busby's bias didn't affect the anti-taxers one iota. Busby did his job effectively, which was to moderate.
Apparently, the rather mixed group of TulsaNow posters' lack of fears about the forum was right, and F.B.'s fears about the forum was wrong.
By the way, F.B., you don't HAVE to capitalize every eighth or ninth word in your POSTS. Good, clear and nonpompous writing should render that UNNECESSARY.
[}:)]
Thank you for the sage writing advice.
When advice is needed on writing style from West Tulsa Trailer Trash, I'll know who to ask.
[:X]
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by rwarn17588
Apparently Mr. Busby's bias didn't affect the anti-taxers one iota. Busby did his job effectively, which was to moderate.
Apparently, the rather mixed group of TulsaNow posters' lack of fears about the forum was right, and F.B.'s fears about the forum was wrong.
By the way, F.B., you don't HAVE to capitalize every eighth or ninth word in your POSTS. Good, clear and nonpompous writing should render that UNNECESSARY.
[}:)]
Thank you for the sage writing advice.
When advice is needed on writing style from West Tulsa Trailer Trash, I'll ask you for it.
Hey at least my trailer has skirts on it. I'm uppity trailer trash! [}:)]
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by rwarn17588
Apparently Mr. Busby's bias didn't affect the anti-taxers one iota. Busby did his job effectively, which was to moderate.
Apparently, the rather mixed group of TulsaNow posters' lack of fears about the forum was right, and F.B.'s fears about the forum was wrong.
By the way, F.B., you don't HAVE to capitalize every eighth or ninth word in your POSTS. Good, clear and nonpompous writing should render that UNNECESSARY.
[}:)]
Thank you for the sage writing advice.
When advice is needed on writing style from West Tulsa Trailer Trash, I'll ask you for it.
Hey at least my trailer has skirts on it. I'm uppity trailer trash! [}:)]
And, it definitely SHOWS! I didn't know that trailers came in different sexes? Skirts no less. Any with trousers?
Were you and "Randy" Randi Miller ever neighbors?
P.S.
Local Want Ad: Pool Boy Wanted. Must have tools and know how to use them to service my pool needs. Contact R. Miller at 596-5000 on availability. Provide picture of tools with Resume'.
[:D]
As Gene Watson says, "There's no trash in my trailer." [:D]
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Wonder if that Tote-the-Note We-Hablo-Espanole used car dealer is offering a BOUNTY on Our River Yes campaign signs??
Speaking of bounty...have you seen the price for bear skin rugs?
I would hide in a cave if I were you.
quote:
Originally posted by recyclemichael
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Wonder if that Tote-the-Note We-Hablo-Espanole used car dealer is offering a BOUNTY on Our River Yes campaign signs??
Speaking of bounty...have you seen the price for bear skin rugs?
I would hide in a cave if I were you.
Do the Forum Administrators allow personal threats against Forum participants?
Where is the Forum Adminstrator to Sanction or Ban Mr. RecycleMichael?
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by recyclemichael
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Wonder if that Tote-the-Note We-Hablo-Espanole used car dealer is offering a BOUNTY on Our River Yes campaign signs??
Speaking of bounty...have you seen the price for bear skin rugs?
I would hide in a cave if I were you.
Do the Forum Administrators allow personal threats against Forum participants?
Where is the Forum Adminstrator to Sanction or Ban Mr. RecycleMichael?
Perhaps the moderator is a Native American and took humbrage at you using the term "Indian Giver" on another thread. Funny term. The white man allotted land to Indians for as long as the rivers run...then took it back. Yet the phrase "White Giver" never caught on.
You're losing credibility fast Mr. Bear.
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Wonder if that Tote-the-Note We-Hablo-Espanole used car dealer is offering a BOUNTY on Our River Yes campaign signs??
Speaking of bounty...have you seen the price for bear skin rugs?
I would hide in a cave if I were you.
Do the Forum Administrators allow personal threats against Forum participants?
Where is the Forum Adminstrator to Sanction or Ban Mr. RecycleMichael?
Perhaps the moderator is a Native American and took humbrage at you using the term "Indian Giver" on another thread. Funny term. The white man allotted land to Indians for as long as the rivers run...then took it back. Yet the phrase "White Giver" never caught on.
You're losing credibility fast Mr. Bear.
"losing"...
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Wonder if that Tote-the-Note We-Hablo-Espanole used car dealer is offering a BOUNTY on Our River Yes campaign signs??
Speaking of bounty...have you seen the price for bear skin rugs?
I would hide in a cave if I were you.
Do the Forum Administrators allow personal threats against Forum participants?
Where is the Forum Adminstrator to Sanction or Ban Mr. RecycleMichael?
Perhaps the moderator is a Native American and took humbrage at you using the term "Indian Giver" on another thread. Funny term. The white man allotted land to Indians for as long as the rivers run...then took it back. Yet the phrase "White Giver" never caught on.
You're losing credibility fast Mr. Bear.
Indian Giver is an archaic yet still understood slang that is easily understood, and incidentally a perfect repartee to the earlier Post that the Creek Indians may not fulfill their $5 million Kaiser River Tax pledge.
Indian Giver: To take back a pledge or renege on a previously consummated transaction.
Kind of fits.
[:D]
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Wonder if that Tote-the-Note We-Hablo-Espanole used car dealer is offering a BOUNTY on Our River Yes campaign signs??
Speaking of bounty...have you seen the price for bear skin rugs?
I would hide in a cave if I were you.
Do the Forum Administrators allow personal threats against Forum participants?
Where is the Forum Adminstrator to Sanction or Ban Mr. RecycleMichael?
I will sanction myself on this. It was wrong to imply any threat and I apologize. It was not my intent.
I was in Denver this past week and they had real problems throughout Colorado with bears. The cities were discussing all the ways to make the communities bear-proof.
I really just wanted to share that with you.
ahem
And anyone who takes recyclemichael seriously on half his posts isn't reading him very closely.
I'm not denigrating RM; it's just the truth. About half of his posts are filled with frivolity.
Not that I'm complaining.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
And anyone who takes recyclemichael seriously on half his posts isn't reading him very closely.
I'm not denigrating RM; it's just the truth. About half of his posts are filled with frivolity.
Not that I'm complaining.
I occasionally have agreed with RM, but it's seldom.
I sense a great deal of anger in most of his replies to my posts or topics. Kind of a seething, bubbling loathing.
And, I soooooooo want to Just Be Loved.
<Sniff>
[:(]
I take very few things seriously. I also use this forum as a practice round for my next career as a stand-up comic.
I have no anger toward any bear, not even the friendly ones. If we meet, I will let him give me a bear hug.
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
I take very few things seriously. I also use this forum as a practice round for my next career as a stand-up comic.
I have no anger toward any bear, not even the friendly ones. If we meet, I will let him give me a bear hug.
The Forum is not a warm up for your next career as a Crips Enforcer? An Equal Opportunity Employer.
In the meantime, hang on to your Day Job:
TulsaNow Forum Content Management for the MetroTulsa ChamberPots.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
Apparently Mr. Busby's bias didn't affect the anti-taxers one iota. Busby did his job effectively, which was to moderate.
Apparently, the rather mixed group of TulsaNow posters' lack of fears about the forum was right, and F.B.'s fears about the forum was wrong.
By the way, F.B., you don't HAVE to capitalize every eighth or ninth word in your POSTS. Good, clear and nonpompous writing should render that UNNECESSARY.
[}:)]
Well, well, well.
Interesting discovery over at
Our River Yes website, after all the vicious sniping I took from the usual TulsaNow ChamberPot Flacks regarding Mr. Ken Busby's BIAS as the selected Moderator of the River Tax Forum.
Under their Link for
SUPPORTERS, whose name and quote do I find but:
Mr. Ken Busby.Here's his endorsement of the Kaiser River Tax:
"River development is critical to Tulsa County from both a 'sense of place' – creating wonderful gathering spaces for fun activities, and from an economic development perspective – creating opportunities for businesses to develop certain areas of the river that will generate sales tax to support the infrastructure needs of our community."
http://www.ourriveryes.com/supporters/13.html
Ahem.
Here's my quote which they can add to their Our River Yes Website:
The rotten stench of privilege permeates the local ruling class, with basic fairness towards fellow citizens a quality patently absent.The creepos defending Mr. Busby should be ashamed.
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FB,
When did anyone claim Busby was not for river development?
Re-read the posts.
F.M., it's over. Get over it.
Time for Conan to get the dead horse out again ...
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
F.M., it's over. Get over it.
Time for Conan to get the dead horse out again ...
Did Mr. Busby inform the Forum audience that he was a SUPPORTER of the Our River Tax campaign, before he started moderating?
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
Apparently Mr. Busby's bias didn't affect the anti-taxers one iota. Busby did his job effectively, which was to moderate.
Apparently, the rather mixed group of TulsaNow posters' lack of fears about the forum was right, and F.B.'s fears about the forum was wrong.
By the way, F.B., you don't HAVE to capitalize every eighth or ninth word in your POSTS. Good, clear and nonpompous writing should render that UNNECESSARY.
[}:)]
Well, well, well.
Interesting discovery over at Our River Yes website, after all the vicious sniping I took from the usual TulsaNow ChamberPot Flacks regarding Mr. Ken Busby's BIAS as the selected Moderator of the River Tax Forum.
Under their Link for SUPPORTERS, whose name and quote do I find but:
Mr. Ken Busby.
Here's his endorsement of the Kaiser River Tax:
"River development is critical to Tulsa County from both a 'sense of place' – creating wonderful gathering spaces for fun activities, and from an economic development perspective – creating opportunities for businesses to develop certain areas of the river that will generate sales tax to support the infrastructure needs of our community."
http://www.ourriveryes.com/supporters/13.html
Ahem.
Here's my quote which they can add to their Our River Yes Website:
The rotten stench of privilege permeates the local ruling class, with basic fairness towards fellow citizens a quality patently absent.
The creepos defending Mr. Busby should be ashamed.
[:D]
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for your quote to get posted.
And no one ever said Ken Busby was neutral. Those of us who know Ken knew he could put on a neutral program as the moderator. All of us understood he was for the tax, oh, lets see, 20-30 posts you made ago! But, thanks for clarifying that misunderstanding one more time.
As you wish rwarn:
(http://www.ihateitall.com/forum/images/smilies/beat_deadhorse.gif)
Oh, and Mr Busby said the reason he has TWO 2 two DOS TWO 2 signs in his yard is that he lives on a corner. Had he not lived on a corner lot, he would likely only have one, and thus not be offensive.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Oh, and Mr Busby said the reason he has TWO 2 two DOS TWO 2 signs in his yard is that he lives on a corner. Had he not lived on a corner lot, he would likely only have one, and thus not be offensive.
Repeat:
Did Mr. Busby inform the Forum audience that he was a SUPPORTER of the
River Tax campaign, before he started moderating?
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I thought you said you were there FB. No he did not inform the audience.
This is nothing but a straw man.
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Originally posted by Conan71
I thought you said you were there FB. No he did not inform the audience.
This is nothing but a straw man.
The question is about Mr. Busby's bias.
REPEAT:
Did he disclose to the audience, before the beginning of the Forum, that he was a SUPPORTER of the River Tax campaign, before he started moderating the discussion?
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Please, Bear.
Drop it. Everyone said he did a good job and didn't show bias.
He was asked to be a moderator and he said yes. He did nothing wrong in that volunteer role.
Please, drop it. You have gone from friendly bear to foolish bear on this.
What if FB is the sane one... and the rest of us are all crazy?
I am reminded of 2 quotes and a definition:
Quote 1:
"Never wrestle with a pig...you get dirty and only the pig will enjoy it."
Quote 2:
"Opinion is that exercise of the human will which helps us to make a decision without information."
Definition:
"Perseveration" - Uncontrollable repetition of a particular response, such as a word, phrase, or gesture, despite the absence or cessation of a stimulus, usually caused by brain injury or other organic disorder.
FB, you weren't at the forum. You haven't seen the video. Your claims against Mr. Busby's qualifications as moderator are unfounded and absurd.
As they say in Italy: "Basta!"
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Originally posted by PonderInc
I am reminded of 2 quotes and a definition:
Quote 1:
"Never wrestle with a pig...you get dirty and only the pig will enjoy it."
Quote 2:
"Opinion is that exercise of the human will which helps us to make a decision without information."
Definition:
"Perseveration" - Uncontrollable repetition of a particular response, such as a word, phrase, or gesture, despite the absence or cessation of a stimulus, usually caused by brain injury or other organic disorder.
FB, you weren't at the forum. You haven't seen the video. Your claims against Mr. Busby's qualifications as moderator are unfounded and absurd.
As they say in Italy: "Basta!"
I also don't speak Italian.
I still don't have an answer to:
REPEAT: Did he disclose to the audience, before the beginning of the Forum, that he was a SUPPORTER of the River Tax campaign, before he started moderating the discussion?It's really pretty simple.....
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Originally posted by Conan71
I thought you said you were there FB. No he did not inform the audience.
This is nothing but a straw man.
This thread has run it's course. (which is apparently circular) Thank you for your contribution, now move along.