http://www.smartcityradio.com/smartcityradio/past_shows.cfm?showsmartcityID=355&PageNum_getsmartshows=1
Click on 'listen' to the left.
Other intriguing discussions:
http://www.smartcityradio.com/smartcityradio/past_shows.cfm
Are we a renaissance generation city? According to her descriptions me thinks we're not even close.