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Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 03, 2007, 08:09:46 AM
They sure look good this year.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: Porky on September 03, 2007, 09:17:19 AM
Yes they're good but you don't need to run a score up because of it.

We'll see how good they are this weekend against Miami. I figure OU to beat them fairly easy in the 2nd half.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: HazMatCFO on September 03, 2007, 09:23:45 AM
Stoops didn't run up the score. Anyone who watched the game and knows football could see that.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: lsimmons on September 03, 2007, 12:05:41 PM
They do look good. I hope that can last all season. I still think we'll see some "growing pains" from the younger guys.

As far as them running up the score, I read a quote from Stoops where he was telling them not to score. "get down anyway you can".
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: deinstein on September 03, 2007, 06:27:40 PM
They'll lose on 11/24.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: Porky on September 03, 2007, 08:31:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by deinstein

They'll lose on 11/24.



They do have away of always losing that game. lol

I think Texas and Texas A&M have a good chance of beating them and the other one is Tulsa.

The reason I say Tulsa is because they will beat Miami and then beat Utah St. So when they come to Tulsa they will be full of themselves and won't be giving Tulsa much credit. That will be a huge mistake upon OU because TUs passing attack could eat them alive if it is taken lightly.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: cannon_fodder on September 04, 2007, 09:25:58 AM
I agree, they look really good.  They have tons of athleticism and pure talent.  The QB showed poise and a nice arm.  Lets hope they look that good against a more stout opponent.

and no, Stoops did not run the score up at all.  I'm guessing you didn't watch the game.  If OU so chose, this probably could have been 100-0.  Its hard to stop the scoring when your 2nd string outplays the other guys 1st.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 04, 2007, 10:38:50 AM
OU had 350 yards passing in the first half and then only threw the ball on 6 of 36 plays in the second half.

Running the ball in a passing offense is hardly running up the score.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: Breadburner on September 04, 2007, 12:12:07 PM
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Listed as 6.1...He's gotta be 6.9 with the afro.....
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: MichaelC on September 06, 2007, 12:48:23 PM
North Texas is not much of a gauge for OU.  UNT would stuggle against most IAA opponents.  They completed 50% of their passes (Not terrible), threw 3 ints to only 1 TD, and they averaged 0.5 yards per carry.  That's not a well rounded team, they numbers UNT gave up to OU, those are impossible if you have an "average" defense.  Miami should be significantly better than that.

OU should beat Miami, but they will have to work for it this time.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: aoxamaxoa on September 06, 2007, 12:50:17 PM
Best team in America....just watch.

Miami?

Cakewalk.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: MichaelC on September 06, 2007, 02:42:12 PM
The only significant differences between Miami and UNT, is that Miami is more physical, better players at nearly all positions.  EXCEPT, the most important position of all, Quarterback.

Miami will struggle.  Miami needs it's QB to do something he's never shown he's capable of doing: being a Miami Quarterback.  They can run, but not if that's the only card up their sleeve.

Miami will have to heavily rely on it's defense.  Maybe too much.  Miami needs some OU mistakes.  If they don't get them, in the 3rd or 4th quarter, the defense may wear out and the game may turn into a slaughter.  But not as bad as OU stuck it to UNT.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: aoxamaxoa on September 06, 2007, 03:16:53 PM
A cousin of mine noticed in warm up prior to the NTS game that OU did not drop a single pass. He said it was the most perfect warm up he'd ever seen in football.

OU rules.....

Father Bob is headed for another national championship.

3 deep.....everywhere!
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: Breadburner on September 18, 2007, 10:28:11 PM
**sniff Sniff** Oh uh nevermind heh.....Well This will be OU's best test Defensively....Keys to the game for OU.... No turn overs...Do not allow big plays....Control the football i.e...Step it up on special teams....Establish the run which will keep the ball out of Paul Smith's hands.....And when he does have it put him on the turf....If OU does all this it should be an easy win......
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: MichaelC on September 19, 2007, 12:19:47 PM
Probably.  

This is the game where either TU's defense plays well against a somewhat more conventional offense.  Or, TU finds out exactly how painful it is to run no-huddle the entire game.  There is a reason why teams don't run TU's style of offense: Time of Possession.  How much of a nightmare will it be to see OU's offense on the field the entire game?

I haven't checked the numbers, but I'm pretty sure both ULM and BYU dominated time of possession on TU.  That's perfectly fine and good as long as TU is putting up points, but if they struggle, it can easily make for a catastrophe of biblical proportions.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: cannon_fodder on September 19, 2007, 01:39:04 PM
Time of possession:
BYU: 35:04   Tulsa: 24:56

Tulsa's average scoring drive this year has only taken 1:19 seconds.

It will be interesting to see if they decide to slow it down at all.  I'm betting they don't, probably a go for broke strategy of wearing them down as much as possible.  With their depth, that might not work.

Glad I don't have to make the call.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: Porky on September 19, 2007, 08:55:47 PM
I doubt TU will have much of a choice on that as OU beats them down.

I still think it's going to be a fun game to watch and TU will have a lot to be proud about afterwards. But please give me a break that TU is going to run 1 minute drives against OU.

I think both teams will score in the 40-30 numbers.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: cannon_fodder on September 20, 2007, 08:43:01 AM
Have you paid any attention to TU's offense this year?  They average something like 10 seconds per play, from the ball being blown into play to the play being blown dead.  1 minute would be 6 plays.

Do you think that is too many plays to average or too few?  If too few, than you think Tulsa's time of possession will improve.  

Bah!  I guess I dont really see what you are getting at.  Tulsa will probably not be able to walk over OU's defense, but that will not effect the drive time given the HUNH offense.   Will be interesting to see how it ends up to be sure.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: Porky on September 20, 2007, 12:18:43 PM
What I'm getting at is TU vs OU is like a fight between Sugar Ray Leonard and Muhammad Ali, while both were in their prime. Both obviously great fighters but size rules and Ali would of beat Sugar Ray because of it.....and the same will hold true with OU beating TU.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: cannon_fodder on September 20, 2007, 12:26:54 PM
That, I'm afraid, I have to agree with.

My guess is depth ends up killing us.  While TU athletes can probably outwork OU's starters off of sheer adrenaline (this isnt a big game for OU really), and I believe they are a decent match for OU... the work required to do so will rendered them spent by the end of the game. OU, on the other hand, has a second string that is just as athletic.  D'oh!

We'll find out for sure in about 30 hours.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: Porky on September 20, 2007, 08:41:34 PM
And I'm ready, it's going to be a great game ...... no matter who the winner! [:)]
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: USRufnex on September 21, 2007, 01:05:35 AM
After I watched the game last Saturday night/morning, I came to a few conclusions...

1.  It's a good thing this game is being played at Skelly.  Because I've never seen a no-huddle offense with so much talking, not to mention those signs on the sidelines... I was waiting for one of TU's offensive linemen to yell "bingo."  Crowd noise could mess things up...

2.  Tulsa's defense looked outmatched by BYU's linemen, etc.  So, the defense is gonna need some big turnover plays, blitzes, etc. to keep the OU offense honest...

3.  TU needs some big improvement this week on their special teams.  In the second half against BYU, I started rooting for TU to just put all their kickoffs out of bounds and give the Cougars the ball on the 35...

But hey... this is the matchup of the two best college football teams in Oklahoma this year... sorry, Pokes.  [:D]
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: cannon_fodder on September 21, 2007, 08:28:46 AM
1) TU changed about every third play at the line against BYU.  Graham also said he had the offense slow down because of the physical play of the BYU offense (big damn backs) to give the D a break.  Normally (as away at ULM) the ball is snapped about as soon as it is set and the play calling is all with cards, no speaking.

2) I will not say outmatched, I will say they were outsized by BYU's line.  They will need some big plays for sure.

3) The difference between 1st half and 2nd half for TU against BYU was night and day.  The first half I would agree with you - it was TERRIBLE.  The second half (I dont know if they changed kickers, but they sure yelled STAY IN YOUR *^$*&%^ LANES!) was much improved.  Only to the point of average... but still.

Lets see how thins goes.  I took TU against the spread (24.5 - and growing after Miami pounded aTm).  I'll be wearing Blue, rooting for your home team.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: waterboy on September 21, 2007, 08:54:23 AM
On paper OU has great edge. If TU starts slow, the Sooners will bury them early and no second half rally will help. Typically OU manages to grind down good teams that display innovative, high octane offenses with their superior depth (texas tech a few years back was a good example).

TU gets a good start and stays even at the half, could be a different story. The only weakness that I see on this Sooner team is one they've had for decades. Fumble-itis. Even some of those amazing catches that they made and strong runs, they were juggling the ball. Athletic players often overlook the basics of ball handling. Miami saw that and started swiping at the ball carriers.

OU 38 - TU 28 Paul Smith and TU will look good but the OU defensive backfield will determine the outcome.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: MichaelC on September 21, 2007, 01:16:18 PM
The difference between OU, and a lot of the BigXII, is that they're good enough at most positions that they can focus on one thing and nothing else falls apart.  Like, say, TU's air attack.  If they can shut down the air, odds are OU's defense will still shut down ground (compare that to OSU versus Tech, OSU will try to shut anything down and keep their fingers crossed on the rest).  If OU can run the ball well, they'll pass well, and vice-versa.

TU's defense has shown me next to nothing so far.  Need more Germanys and Karatepeyans.  But, they are running into a somewhat different scheme this time.  At home, hopefully a majority of TU fans in the stadium.  The defense may be a better match for OU, than BYU or even ULM.  Different schemes, different types of match-ups.

And offensively, TU has learned the long ball.  Which is certainly an improvement from last year.  OUs defense is stout, but there's no telling how they'll react if they get burned a couple times.  It hasn't happened yet, they haven't seen an offense remotely like this.  They haven't seen an offense with any "capability".  And the last decent QB that OUs defense saw, was last year against Boise State.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: Breadburner on September 28, 2007, 07:48:59 PM
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Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: MichaelC on October 02, 2007, 10:45:45 AM
The overwhelming sound of crickets.

I went and did something else when it was 24-7.  OU wasn't doing much right, but I was tired of seeing Colorado commit ritualistic suicide.  Ugly game, what I saw of it.
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: Breadburner on October 02, 2007, 10:53:18 AM
If you can't hold onto the ball your chances of winning go down dramaticlly........Very frustrating to give a game away like that..I would love to ask the coaching staff some questions (Kevin Wilson).......
Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: Breadburner on October 05, 2007, 02:50:38 PM
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Title: Let's talk OU football
Post by: Breadburner on October 25, 2007, 12:44:12 PM
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