Is city name Tulsa, BOK, or QT
Once Tulsa was respected for it's name of the oil capitol of the world. After the oil bust it continued to survive as just Tulsa. Most of the government improvement were paid for by the pennies collected from its citizens. What has happened?
The arena under construction is presented as the BOK arena. This arena is Tulsa's Arena, being paid for the patrons of Tulsa county and it should be known as Tulsa's Arena. If BOK wants an arena let them build one and shoulder the entire load.
The Expo Building that was paid for the same way, is being refereed as QT Expo Building at the fair grounds. This is an insult to the working people who have had to sacrifice the thing they needed, to build a monument to these corporate entities.
Next we are going to build the BOK gathering places at the river with a bridge to meet on the "other side of the river. There is a possibility that we can use the BOK pedestrian bridge to cross over and look at the dike that protects the low lands and the old garden city along with the refineries, supervised by the decades old Dike Authority to protect the west bank from flooding.
When we clean off the west side of the river are we going to do away with the dikes or build between the dikes and the river or behind the dikes where we cannot see the river?
The river development sure makes a good looking picture on paper paintings. Does anyone think that is the proper place for it?
So are you prepared to pay $20,000,000.00 in additional taxes to pay for the "Tulsa Arena" since you don't like corporate sponsorship? What you said is one reason why Tulsa is where it is today. I'm not too proud. Come on in BOk. Come on in Quick Trip. Let's build this city.
Not I. That is a huge waste of money
Consarn it
Just don't say we built this city on Rock n Roll.
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Originally posted by Rowdy
Just don't say we built this city on Rock n Roll.
Western Swing and the Tulsa Sound
There is no Tulsa sound. It's imaginary.
Shadows, you bring this up once a week. Seriously, the debate has not changed from last week.
Companies want to be good corporate citizens by funding public projects. The city and tax payers want those projects funded by private enterprise. The city gets to renovate its arena and the company gets advertising. What's not to like?
If QT did not fund such things you would be saying what a crappy corporate citizen they are.
Fork over the $20,000,000.00 yourself or stop bringing up this topic over and over and over and over and over. Its a name on a building, it was and is always for sale.
QuoteOriginally posted by cannon_fodder
Shadows, you bring this up once a week. Seriously, the debate has not changed from last week.
Companies want to be good corporate citizens by funding public projects. The city and tax payers want those projects funded by private enterprise. The city gets to renovate its arena and the company gets advertising. What's not to like?
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I have always thought the Native American Name for the city was a name to be proud in telling you were from there. Seems the newcomers don't want to be associated with the name and want the city to be known by another name.
OK, do you have any suggestions for the NAMING RIGHTS for the new city hall? I assume you have a change for every building that cannot be related to the name "TULSA". [:)]
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Fork over the $20,000,000.00 yourself or stop bringing up this topic over and over and over and over and over. Its a name on a building, it was and is always for sale.
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Gottga:
But have a problem as the fine print seems to be so small on this sample ballot that I cannot determine where the 20m sale of naming rights is credited.
You failed to answer my question - as usual. Nor did you engage of any form of debate. You simply raised new issues to be summarily shot down, again.
1) I never advocated for the city to be known by any other name. Does anyone forget the name Chicago because United named their arena? Or does anyone accidentally call Minneapolis "Target?" Never heard anyone call Dallas "American Airlines" by mistake either. That notion is just plain stupid.
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Gottga:
But have a problem as the fine print seems to be so small on this sample ballot that I cannot determine where the 20m sale of naming rights is credited.
This isnt even a coherent thought.
3) If Williams wants to buy the building for the City of Tulsa they can hang their name on it, I would have NO PROBLEM with that at all. POOF, an extra $72,000,000.00 for Tulsa schools... just to hang some letters on a building. To deny that would be folly.
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Explain your position. How is it to the detriment of Tulsa? What does hanging its name on everything do for the city? Who is referring to Tulsa has anything but? Where is the extra $20mil going to come from? Just make one logical point.
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Originally posted by shadows
QuoteOriginally posted by cannon_fodder
Shadows, you bring this up once a week. Seriously, the debate has not changed from last week.
Companies want to be good corporate citizens by funding public projects. The city and tax payers want those projects funded by private enterprise. The city gets to renovate its arena and the company gets advertising. What's not to like?
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I have always thought the Native American Name for the city was a name to be proud in telling you were from there. Seems the newcomers don't want to be associated with the name and want the city to be known by another name.
OK, do you have any suggestions for the NAMING RIGHTS for the new city hall? I assume you have a change for every building that cannot be related to the name "TULSA". [:)]
Tulasi is the Mvskoke word for Tulsa if you want to get technical.
Has anyone considered asking Wal-Mart if they wanted to put their name over the door of City Hall? Would not they have the same right as QT for naming a county building for cash to build a city claimed building downtown.
Being the total population of the city is estimated to be 387,000 and the total number of those employed in the city it 430,000, I can see where their interest is putting their name on building where the people take their money and spend it, out of town in other counties.
Another bad suggestion, huh We no gonna to have a "name your building war"?
Thanks for the correction AA
Tulasi is the Mvskoke word for Tulsa if you want to get technical.
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The spelling was changed because of the conversion of the language I understand. The battle of Round Mountain south of the Arkansas river in the 1860 war, the encampment at the Three Forks, along with the Great Oak tree, are the heritage's that belong to the inheritors of the lands and what we leave to them they should be proud of. It was my intent to preserve the Native American Name although it had to be converted in its spelling.
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3) If Williams wants to buy the building for the City of Tulsa they can hang their name on it, I would have NO PROBLEM with that at all. POOF, an extra $72,000,000.00 for Tulsa schools... just to hang some letters on a building. To deny that would be folly.
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Pray tell where you read in any post that anyone is buying or donating a building to use for advertising purposes?
There is no broad difference between using a park, street easement, or any other citizen own property being sold to the highest bidder for exclusive advertising rights. Come, come, when does the tort system become effective.
The entire practice is being abused already. By your training you should make it your problem..
I look at it this way: A city desires to have a nice looking arena. They promise companies that can give the city the needed financial boost a name on the building. As a result, people who come to visit (in the future) will say, "You remember that nice arena in Tulsa?" You won't hear anything about BOK, unless they found it important enough to remember. Besides, why complain? BOK is a Tulsa company. If anything it helps the local economy.
Not that you are going to bother answering any of my question, or, if you should - that it will make any sense. You failed
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Originally posted by shadows
Pray tell where you read in any post that anyone is buying or donating a building to use for advertising purposes?
Why do you think a company is willing to pay tens of millions of dollars to put their name on an arena?
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Come, come, when does the tort system become effective.
Go ahead an sue for TORT on that. I'd be laughing along with the court when they kicked you to the curb.
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The entire practice is being abused already. By your training you should make it your problem..
HOW is it being abused?
And not only is it NOT my problem, I consider it to my benefit.
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You have NO argument. You have raised no sensible argument. You did not even realize that companies were paying for advertising, nor suggest an alternative motive. You did not rebut the fact that you were dead wrong when you claimed people wanted to call Tulsa by other names (a major premise of yours).
You have made a weak far flung argument and then failed to back it up with decent fabrications. Your continued posting on this subject is an affront to the men and women in the city that try to get companies to pay for our infrastructure and our corporate citizens who do so. Not to mention a complete, and total waste of my time.
I'd say 1/10 Shadows posts are any better than a a typical response from Miss Game Cock.
My understanding was the interest on the loan of the airlines that went belly up already nears the total amount the city will receive for the use of the building as a sign board for advertising purposes. I believe that the BOK is a multi-state banking concern.
If the taxpayer is expected to build buildings to be used as signboards for the big corporations, while taxing their citizens under the pretense that such income is used for infrastructure, then let the small business have naming rights to the trails, braking it in segments of four to each mile. Let's let "Joe Plumbing" and others place a decal sign on the trails so the joggers will read them when they take their morning jog. Course the stipulations that are attached to the 100m donations will cover all advertising on the trails I am sure.
Democratic Republic's are to support the fairness issues among the citizens but history will record that our form lasted only from1865 to 1930 then changing to a Socialistic Republic, becoming the worlds greatest debtor. A disk encyclopedia predicted that by 2000 we would have one-half of the world lawyers in the USA. I would not comment on that but we seem to have 99% of the world's greed.
We drove down the 4 mile 71st corridor last Saturday Night. They were doing a land office business among the establishments. I cannot believe that intelligent persons would think that they would bulldoze this all down to relocate it on the river or can find downtown space to fit it in.
We would suggest that we open up the gates to the immigrants but is is now proven that we have never had them closed. They seem to be the largest of the groups of spenders that are available and our greed controls all of our actions.
I think someone needs to be put back on their meds. And trying to argue or reason with someone who has clearly lost it doesn't exactly make one look sane.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Not that you are going to bother answering any of my question, or, if you should - that it will make any sense. You failed
QuoteOriginally posted by shadows
Pray tell where you read in any post that anyone is buying or donating a building to use for advertising purposes?
Let me apologize if I overlooked a directed question. It was not my intent as I only wish to express my views to be intertwined with others. I assume the mayor is the question answering person with her sixteen advisors.. If you have a legitimate question place it in a format such as this and I assure you you will get an answer.
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I am very interest in government, local and national and too, if possible, see that people are informed. Like the epic of Margaret Mitchell's there are the indications that ours again ride on "the winds of change". The once pitchfork army of Russia is assembling within our own borders and we look the other way. Even now the winds of change has carried it almost beyond control. We were blessed to have been assigned to this land but due to our failure to protect these privileges granted by our birthrights, they are slipping through our fingers as if measuring the duplication of time
Public property is being converted to private control and like the King's Court of yesterday, we are subjected to an appointed closed government. It should be a "wake up bell" instead of "for whom the bell now tolls".
How would you explain what the QT Center is, as used in the TW, to a stranger?
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I think someone needs to be put back on their meds. And trying to argue or reason with someone who has clearly lost it doesn't exactly make one look sane.
Welcome to the new governing party.
This all seems like the night shows questioning the college students on government issues.
1) Shadows, if you look up a few posts I did direct questions to you in your suggested format.
2) What public property is now in private control? You do realize that naming rights are not the same as buying the building dont you?
3) I would explain the usage of Expo to a stranger now that it is called QT Center the exact same as when it was called Expo. Why would that have changed?
Unanswered Questions from Above:
1. Why do you think a company is willing to pay tens of millions of dollars to put their name on an arena?
2. How is the naming rights practice being abused?
3. I never advocated for the city to be known by any other name. Does anyone forget the name Chicago because United named their arena? Or does anyone accidentally call Minneapolis "Target?" Never heard anyone call Dallas "American Airlines" by mistake either. That notion is just plain stupid.
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Please understand that your answers are usually non responsive and often seem incoherent to me. I'm still not really clear what your problem is or what the proposed solution is. All I know is you do not like the sale of naming rights... but I'm not sure if its because you think we are selling buildings, the manner in which they are sold, the buyers, or what the deal is.
Is it just me or does anyone else break into a feverish sweat when trying to read one of Shadows' posts?
I always find a sentence in Shadows ramblings that makes me read it three times. The first time I am confused, the second time I read it amused, and the third time I read it I am confused again.
Here is my favorite from earlier post...
"We were blessed to have been assigned to this land but due to our failure to protect these privileges granted by our birthrights, they are slipping through our fingers as if measuring the duplication of time".
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Originally posted by Lister
Is it just me or does anyone else break into a feverish sweat when trying to read one of Shadows' posts?
My brain just isn't wrapping around them.
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
I always find a sentence in Shadows ramblings that makes me read it three times. The first time I am confused, the second time I read it amused, and the third time I read it I am confused again.
Here is my favorite from earlier post...
"We were blessed to have been assigned to this land but due to our failure to protect these privileges granted by our birthrights, they are slipping through our fingers as if measuring the duplication of time".
Perfect example RM! And townsend, that's a good way to put it. [;)]
That's awesome. I'm not sure on what level but, wow. If I ever found a hand bound notebook with such thins scrawled throughout, images of Kevin Spacey from "Se7en" would certainly come to mind.
Hmm...what you are saying then is the following (by your logic, Shadow)..
- Philadelphia PA should now be called Wachovia PA
- Detroit MI should now be called "The Joe", MI
- San Jose CA should now be called "The Shark Tank", CA
- Houston TX, should be called Toyota, TX
..and others.
While I think it's a bastardization of arenas, someone has to foot part of the bill. If it means we name a building after a corporate sponsor, then hey, we ain't the first to do it and certainly won't be the last.
CP:
Question #1. Why do you think a company is willing to pay tens of millions of dollars to put their name on an arena?
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They are able to place their name on a public building that cost millions to build for a fraction of what a sign board would cost. Second: the money they are paying is well covered by the interest the public will pay to them on the back door loan guaranteed by the mortgage on the public owned airport. 3trd: If they are such good citizens then let the have a mortgage burning regalia and take those millions of dollars of debts off the shoulders of the working poor, Fourth they would have so supposedly have a sign permit to build a sign board of that size, Shall I go on with the whole story?
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Question #2. How is the naming rights practice being abused?
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2: The reincarnation of following the trail of the money is available to anyone that can reason. There are many corporations who would be interested in free advertisement by pasting their logo on millions of dollars in taxpayers investments in building built by the public tax money . Second: The Caste system that the founders though they could prohibit, is in full force in the Tulsa political community. Third: Such incidents as the naming of public buildings is used to eliminate other competition by outbidding , in long drawn out plans. By the caste system , when buying such naming rights with the public's own money. (refer back to question #1)
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3. I never advocated for the city to be known by any other name. Does anyone forget the name Chicago because United named their arena? Or does anyone accidentally call Minneapolis "Target?" Never heard anyone call Dallas "American Airlines" by mistake either. That notion is just plain stupid.
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3: True you cite rare incidents of named arenas but that does not answer the QT Center naming. Second: Dallas is not known as American Airlines but in the past and present the taxpayer contribution to the Tulsa's AA and their owners should include their logo on the new real-estate/city hall venture of the city by installing a by-pass route for these workers from the burbs to salute as they leave town with their pay checks to spend elsewhere.
The word "Stupid" can be used in many ways.
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
I always find a sentence in Shadows ramblings that makes me read it three times. The first time I am confused, the second time I read it amused, and the third time I read it I am confused again.
Here is my favorite from earlier post...
"We were blessed to have been assigned to this land but due to our failure to protect these privileges granted by our birthrights, they are slipping through our fingers as if measuring the duplication of time".
Does not the recorder of history show a limit of time where democratic republic have existed?
Are the posters proud that they can be a help to the demise of this one?
Is it not easer to destroy one than form one?
You have one in your hands but it is not slowly escaping through your fingers?
Is not all duplicated in the chronicles of time?
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Originally posted by shadows
CP:
Question #1. Why do you think a company is willing to pay tens of millions of dollars to put their name on an arena?
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They are able to place their name on a public building that cost millions to build for a fraction of what a sign board would cost. Second: the money they are paying is well covered by the interest the public will pay to them on the back door loan guaranteed by the mortgage on the public owned airport. 3trd: If they are such good citizens then let the have a mortgage burning regalia and take those millions of dollars of debts off the shoulders of the working poor, Fourth they would have so supposedly have a sign permit to build a sign board of that size, Shall I go on with the whole story?
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Question #2. How is the naming rights practice being abused?
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2: The reincarnation of following the trail of the money is available to anyone that can reason. There are many corporations who would be interested in free advertisement by pasting their logo on millions of dollars in taxpayers investments in building built by the public tax money . Second: The Caste system that the founders though they could prohibit, is in full force in the Tulsa political community. Third: Such incidents as the naming of public buildings is used to eliminate other competition by outbidding , in long drawn out plans. By the caste system , when buying such naming rights with the public's own money. (refer back to question #1)
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3. I never advocated for the city to be known by any other name. Does anyone forget the name Chicago because United named their arena? Or does anyone accidentally call Minneapolis "Target?" Never heard anyone call Dallas "American Airlines" by mistake either. That notion is just plain stupid.
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3: True you cite rare incidents of named arenas but that does not answer the QT Center naming. Second: Dallas is not known as American Airlines but in the past and present the taxpayer contribution to the Tulsa's AA and their owners should include their logo on the new real-estate/city hall venture of the city by installing a by-pass route for these workers from the burbs to salute as they leave town with their pay checks to spend elsewhere.
The word "Stupid" can be used in many ways.
OK cant resist.
(1.) It costs about 1500 dollars a month for a Bilboard. QT gave 2.6 million for 10 year naming rights. It would take 144 years at 1500 dollars a month to equal 2.6 million. Its not cheaper to put your name on a bilboard than the IPE building. BOK paid 11 million for 20 years.
(2.) If there are so many corporations who would love to avail themselves of what you call "free advertising" by purchasing naming rights. Nobody is trying to stop them, the more competing and bidding the better. More competition will mean that building can command a higher price for the naming rights. BOK was the highest bidder.
(3.) Rare incidents of named arenas? I would say its far more rare to have an arena, performing arts center, or other large public/entertainment type building that does cary the cities name. And if American Airlines wants to pay the city millions for naming rights to the new city hall. More power to them. I would say go for it. Take their money and run. Better than us giving them money.
If QT wanted to give me 2.6 mill, I would change my name to QT and tattoo QT on my forehead, donkey, or any other body part they wanted. For 2.6mill, I aint too proud. [:P]
Speaking of performing arts centers. Perhaps we could find a corporation or individual who would donate to ours and receive naming rights. It could use some more architectural flash on the outside and I am sure some improvements on the inside. I think Fort Worths "Bass Hall" is neat with those huge angels on the side. http://www.basshall.com/indexa.html
ART:
#1 In heavens name where can you rent a multi-million dollar bill board to display a name on for 1,500 dollars a month. We are not talking about bill boards but multi-million dollar public structures being use as bill boards at the citizens expense. I don't believe that the amount of money would even keep the roof in repair.
#2 In this follow the money game the inside traders seem to have the money in place before the bidding even starts. In the card games this is called "Buying the Pot". I would believe that you are looking to tax that guy behind the tree and pass it on the rich corporations.
#3 I believe if you look back over the records when Douglas wanted to buy the building that AA is in and made an offer to the general services, there was a outcry from the in-house at city hall. Instead AA was taken on with the sweetheart dealings that I believe the company now enjoy the perks maintained by the working poor working at below the poverty level. Believe the word is subsidized.
Before you start the tattooing binge I might suggest that you inspect the conditions on what is entailed by the agreement to make a sign board out of the public owned building.
What TheArtist said +1
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K, I wrote out a substantive answer to each response. I then decided that it would have no effect, so I'll just post a couple amusing things.
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Third: Such incidents as the naming of public buildings is used to eliminate other competition by outbidding , in long drawn out plans. By the caste system , when buying such naming rights with the public's own money. (refer back to question #1)
Syntax error (incidents is), superfluous language ("Such incidents as" & "other" before competition are totally unneeded words), erroneous possessive state (public does not have a possessive state, it should read "public monies"), duplicative possession (if the public had money, of course it is its own), incomplete sentence (last sentence lacks s subject... I think).
What does the clause "in long drawn out plans" have to do with anything? Or "By the Caste System?" Seriously, this is the most illogical pairing of horrible clauses ever. I have no idea what you are talking about and I'm guessing I'm not alone.
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3: True you cite rare incidents of named arenas
If only I could think of other Arena's that sold their naming rights:
1st Mariner Arena
Allstate Arena
AmericanAirlines Arena
American Airlines Center
Amway Arena
ARCO Arena
AT&T Center
BankAtlantic Center
Bradley Center
Blue Cross Arena
Compuware Arena
Conseco Fieldhouse
Continental Airlines Arena
EnergySolutions Arena
FedExForum
Ford Center
Frank Erwin Center
Honda Center
HP Pavilion at San Jose
HSBC Arena
Jobing.com Arena
Joe Louis Arena
KeyArena
Madison Square Garden
Mellon Arena
Mohegan Sun Arena
Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum
Nationwide Arena
Oracle Arena
Pepsi Center
Philips Arena
Prudential Center
Quicken Loans Arena
RBC Center
Sears Centre
Scottrade Center
Sommet Center
Sprint Center
St. Pete Times Forum
Staples Center
Stockton Arena
Target Center
TD Banknorth Garden
Toyota Center
UIC Pavilion
United Center
Verizon Center
US Airways Center
U.S. Cellular Arena
Van Andel Arena
Wachovia Center
Wachovia Spectrum
Well's Fargo Arena
Xcel Energy Center
What me to do MLB stadiums?
The fact is Shadows, that you have NO CLUE what you are talking about. Of the major indoor arena's in the United States only the Charlotte Bobcats Arena, New Orleans Arena and the Palace of Auburn Hills have the cities name. And 2 of those are because their naming rights contract expired and they have not found a new partner.
It is VERY clear that you are clueless in this area and are swinging blind. Please, I advise you to stop before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
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Second: Dallas is not known as American Airlines but in the past and present the taxpayer contribution to the Tulsa's AA and their owners should include their logo on the new real-estate/city hall venture of the city by installing a by-pass route for these workers from the burbs to salute as they leave town with their pay checks to spend elsewhere.
The word "Stupid" can be used in many ways.
First, congratulations on breaking the 50 word barrier with one sentence. Were you trying to make an actual point, or trying to be ironic there?
Artist:
If QT wanted to give me 2.6 mill, I would change my name to QT and tattoo QT on my forehead, donkey, or any other body part they wanted. For 2.6mill, I aint too proud.
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Was it not Faustus in past mythology that believe the same way?
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Originally posted by shadows
ART:
#1 In heavens name where can you rent a multi-million dollar bill board to display a name on for 1,500 dollars a month. We are not talking about bill boards but multi-million dollar public structures being use as bill boards at the citizens expense. I don't believe that the amount of money would even keep the roof in repair.
#2 In this follow the money game the inside traders seem to have the money in place before the bidding even starts. In the card games this is called "Buying the Pot". I would believe that you are looking to tax that guy behind the tree and pass it on the rich corporations.
#3 I believe if you look back over the records when Douglas wanted to buy the building that AA is in and made an offer to the general services, there was a outcry from the in-house at city hall. Instead AA was taken on with the sweetheart dealings that I believe the company now enjoy the perks maintained by the working poor working at below the poverty level. Believe the word is subsidized.
Before you start the tattooing binge I might suggest that you inspect the conditions on what is entailed by the agreement to make a sign board out of the public owned building.
(1.) How is it at the citizens expense? What good would it do us to have our name on it and lose 11 million in extra funds? Everyone is going to immediately know the BOK center is in Tulsa. If its the Tulsa Arena they arent going to immediately think that BOK is here. So its more of a benefit to a company to have their name on this multi million dollar billboard than for us.
Plus do we really think we would get 11 million dollars worth of exposure on top of the exposure we are going to be getting even with it called the BOK Center? Tulsa will get immediate "bill board exposure" with this arena regardless of what it is called. Would you rather us basically spend 11 million MORE dollars to have our name on it for some imagined added exposure?
(2.) Show me evidence that there was any other company that was interested and was offering a better deal. Otherwise I am not going to believe in some conspiracy theory. Just one other company.
(3.) What on earth does this have to do with the BOK Center or the QT Center or the naming rights of City Hall? Quit squirming all over the place like a dying snake with its head cut off. If you have a beef with that matter, start a different thread.
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Originally posted by shadows
Artist:
If QT wanted to give me 2.6 mill, I would change my name to QT and tattoo QT on my forehead, donkey, or any other body part they wanted. For 2.6mill, I aint too proud.
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Was it not Faustus in past mythology that believe the same way?
No, it wasn't. He lost his soul for material gains. Not his forehead or donkey.
Stop typing like that.
Good point Townsend, I believe the term Shadows was looking for was prostitute. He could have even worked in a bible reference to keep it cryptic. And everyone's a whore for some price, for $2.2mil I'd have anything I can think of tattooed on my donkey (yes, even a picture of Larry Craigs hand). If anyone from BOk is reading this and interested for some reason, my rate is negotiable.
Money is the root of all evil.
Send $9.95 for more information.
Cf.. please post a pic of your butt and we'll get back to you....
Is this typical for you guys over at BOK?
Johnboy.... is what typical? Having a sense of humor?
Since the area employment is quote as 430,000 and the city population as 382,000 which includes children and the unemployed, I would assume that all this discussion is from the minority sector of the citizens of Tulsa.
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CP quoted: I'd have anything I can think of tattooed on my donkey
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Guess to some there would be no relationship between Faustus selling his soul to the devil for material possessions and CP selling his tattooed a$$ for sign purposes to sway the opinions of others.
My god Shadows, you really cannot see the difference between selling your SOUL to Satan and having BOk tattooed on ones donkey?
Let me explain the differences. First, a SOUL is believed to be eternal. The sale of the soul would indicate a willingness to give up eternity for current world pleasure. Its symbolic of humans lust for immediate gratification, even at the cost of future benefit.
An donkey is a commonly mocked and usually hidden part of the human body. Few ever see ones donkey. Also, an donkey is as temporary as our mortality. So the possession of wealth would presumably last as long as ones possession of their donkey.
Satan is the semblance of an evil being in Western mythology. Selling ones soul to Satan would also, presumably, prohibit entry into judeo/Christian heaven. In addition, it is presumed that any "deal with the devil" will be a bad one on the human end of the bargain. BOk is just a bank.
Now do you see the difference between RM selling his donkey to a bank and Faustus selling his soil to Satan? If not, there is really no need to EVER try to reason with you.
It wasn't me selling my donkey as advertising to a bank. It was Artist.
I was thinking of selling the other side to a restaurant...my tattoo would say "Home of the Whopper".
RM... don't forget to add "Have it your way"...
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RM... don't forget to add "Have it your way"...
Egad
Everything now is quite clear as the intellectuals within Gods Little Acres, enclosed by the expressways, with locked Golden Gates inset in pearl, with the golden keys thereof, has taken a brief moment for explanations to the hoards outside the gate, who sought a moment of your time in order to understand the criteria of which we are bound, whereas "Dust thou art to dust returnth was not spoken of the soul"; still in Tulsa where flowth the river from the garden of sand; where Peter has not been given a key to the gates that are lit in the such a brilliant light of knowledge; still we all have much compassion for the keepers of this knowledge. (from us)
Seriously Shadows, you think you are being some clever intellectual but really you just aren't making sense. I'm not trying to be malicious or coy. No one understands what you are talking about, and its not because your level of brilliance far surpasses everyone else's.
Just write a normal sentence. I think you put great thought into your posts, so its a shame that they are incomprehensible. Try writing them like you want people to be able to read them, instead of trying to write to impress yourself.
CP: Being one outside of the gates at Gods Little Acreage I just felt compelled to show the appreciation I and the other thousands outside the gates have for such brilliant intellectuals.
I considered it as only the rambling that I am always accused of.
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Originally posted by shadows
Is city name Tulsa, BOK, or QT
The arena under construction is presented as the BOK arena. This arena is Tulsa's Arena, being paid for the patrons of Tulsa county and it should be known as Tulsa's Arena. If BOK wants an arena let them build one and shoulder the entire load.
The Expo Building that was paid for the same way, is being refereed as QT Expo Building at the fair grounds. This is an insult to the working people who have had to sacrifice the thing they needed, to build a monument to these corporate entities.
Shadows, where have you been? This sort of corporate sponsorship has been going on across the US for decades. Even famous places such as Wrigley Field are named after corporate entities. The fact that BOk and QuikTrip are paying for naming rights for these venues is a good thing for Tulsa. When corporations pay for venue naming rights, it means they see value in the venue, and want to be associated with it in the mind of their customers. Local corporations investing in local venues is a good thing for both parties involved.
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When corporations pay for venue naming rights, it means they see value in the venue, and want to be associated with it in the mind of their customers. Local corporations investing in local venues is a good thing for both parties involved.
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This may be true but if it is valuable to these corporations lets sell the naming rights of the city to a corporation.
It seems that no one wants to be proud of what the citizens of Tulsa built with their tax money.
BOK,OK? QT,OK?
This has gone the way of the silly walks.
Shadows,
Is the name on the building effecting your life?
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Originally posted by Townsend
This has gone the way of the silly walks.
Shadows,
Is the name on the building effecting your life?
Regardless how newcomers and YP's feel in changing a republic to corporate America, there is some silent natives that object to sell to corporate America the right to impose a name on a building that degrades it to a overpriced sign board paid for the by the pennies they pay in taxes on their food.
Just because other cities want to degrade their building there is no reason we should follow suite. Instead of being at the bottom of the list of "they do" we could stand out as an independent city.
From the past many of the industries leaving have post "formally from Tulsa" and do not post "from the city with the BOK arena".
Names are given a birth. One should be proud of the name they have been given. The BOK arena has a less namesake than just the Tulsa arena or the QT expo building.
Want to know why there is such apathy among voters that will not vote? They feel the city is corporate controlled.
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Originally posted by shadows
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Originally posted by Townsend
This has gone the way of the silly walks.
Shadows,
Is the name on the building effecting your life?
Regardless how newcomers and YP's feel in changing a republic to corporate America, there is some silent natives that object to sell to corporate America the right to impose a name on a building that degrades it to a overpriced sign board paid for the by the pennies they pay in taxes on their food.
Just because other cities want to degrade their building there is no reason we should follow suite. Instead of being at the bottom of the list of "they do" we could stand out as an independent city.
From the past many of the industries leaving have post "formally from Tulsa" and do not post "from the city with the BOK arena".
Names are given a birth. One should be proud of the name they have been given. The BOK arena has a less namesake than just the Tulsa arena or the QT expo building.
Want to know why there is such apathy among voters that will not vote? They feel the city is corporate controlled.
Dude, our country is "corporate controlled".