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I think its so great I may just go to the press conference to cheer him on! :)
Hey, you might now like Taylor, or agree with her, but she's not stupid.
I have a feeling she is furious that Bostom ended up being a dud and I bet she doesn't make that mistake again.
Every officer I've heard from is happy about it.
Hmmm. This puts a different wrinkle on it. (Sorry "Wrinkle").
I guess Palmer was fairly accepted by the rank-and-file. Just curious what the mood is going to be with Palmer being an at-will employee of the mayor?
What will this do going forward when Ms. Taylor is no longer our mayor and this position passes into the next admin? Will this result in taking six months to fill this position after every election?
Here is the Tulsa World breaking news.
Sources: Former Police Chief Ron Palmer to return to top police post By STAFF REPORTS
8/29/2007 10:41 AM
Former Tulsa Police Chief Ron Palmer will be returned to his old post today, sources familiar with Mayor Kathy Taylor's decision say.
Taylor has announced plans to name a new police chief today at 3:30 p.m., but has not made the name public yet. Palmer did not immediately return phone calls Wednesday. Palmer served as police 1992-2002 and left to become a private security consultant. David Bostrom, a law enforcement consultant from Wilmington, Del., has served as the interim chief since May.
Taylor has come under fire recently by some police for deciding the post will be an at-will post rather than one covered by civil service.A lawsuit by the three rejected internal candidates is still pending in Tulsa County District Court. They maintain Taylor is required by the City Charter to hire one of them.
I think the six month issue has solely to do with the lawsuit not that the mayor couldn't find a candidate. She waited a while to see what was going to happen and finally decided to make a decision and deal with the results later. I think Palmer did a good job, Savage was no friend to the police either. He stood strong when it mattered and I think he had the trust of most of the rank and file. He also accomplished a lot. Degree requirements, computers in cars are just a few. I hope he will come in and be as fired up about his job now as he was then. That's a question for me, is he really excited about this or found a way to draw a steady paycheck? I'm hoping he is ready to get back on the ground running.
Wilbur must be off today, not one comment yet?
I don't know how the at will issue will play out, but I don't see where it can be stopped. I believed in broadening the chief search outside the department, but I don't like the at will position, unless it is outside of the department and not as hands on as a chief would be.
Breaking news? Where have you snoozers been? It "broke" here this morning:
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6645&whichpage=6 (//%22http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6645&whichpage=6%22)
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Originally posted by tulsa_fan
I think the six month issue has solely to do with the lawsuit not that the mayor couldn't find a candidate. She waited a while to see what was going to happen and finally decided to make a decision and deal with the results later. I think Palmer did a good job, Savage was no friend to the police either. He stood strong when it mattered and I think he had the trust of most of the rank and file. He also accomplished a lot. Degree requirements, computers in cars are just a few. I hope he will come in and be as fired up about his job now as he was then. That's a question for me, is he really excited about this or found a way to draw a steady paycheck? I'm hoping he is ready to get back on the ground running.
Wilbur must be off today, not one comment yet?
I don't know how the at will issue will play out, but I don't see where it can be stopped. I believed in broadening the chief search outside the department, but I don't like the at will position, unless it is outside of the department and not as hands on as a chief would be.
The whole police chief issue has not been great for her image in my circles considering she made public safety such a huge focal point of her campaign. Perhaps in her circles, it was a wise move to bring in an outside interim chief as a consultant. Anyone in the dept. I've quizzed (not just the two who post here) have really been reluctant to say much either way about Bostrom, nor how the search has been handled other than some comments about how crappy Wells was apparently treated.
Having a vacuum in the number one law enforcement position for months then making it a political appointment doesn't really speak well for a campaign promise of public safety being a high priority.
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Originally posted by Conan71
Hmmm. This puts a different wrinkle on it. (Sorry "Wrinkle").
I guess Palmer was fairly accepted by the rank-and-file. Just curious what the mood is going to be with Palmer being an at-will employee of the mayor?
What will this do going forward when Ms. Taylor is no longer our mayor and this position passes into the next admin? Will this result in taking six months to fill this position after every election?
Wrinkle is not just my middle name.
But, I do question the tactics. As usual, it's not so much what's done, it's the way.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by tulsa_fan
I think the six month issue has solely to do with the lawsuit not that the mayor couldn't find a candidate. She waited a while to see what was going to happen and finally decided to make a decision and deal with the results later. I think Palmer did a good job, Savage was no friend to the police either. He stood strong when it mattered and I think he had the trust of most of the rank and file. He also accomplished a lot. Degree requirements, computers in cars are just a few. I hope he will come in and be as fired up about his job now as he was then. That's a question for me, is he really excited about this or found a way to draw a steady paycheck? I'm hoping he is ready to get back on the ground running.
Wilbur must be off today, not one comment yet?
I don't know how the at will issue will play out, but I don't see where it can be stopped. I believed in broadening the chief search outside the department, but I don't like the at will position, unless it is outside of the department and not as hands on as a chief would be.
The whole police chief issue has not been great for her image in my circles considering she made public safety such a huge focal point of her campaign. Perhaps in her circles, it was a wise move to bring in an outside interim chief as a consultant. Anyone in the dept. I've quizzed (not just the two who post here) have really been reluctant to say much either way about Bostrom, nor how the search has been handled other than some comments about how crappy Wells was apparently treated.
Having a vacuum in the number one law enforcement position for months then making it a political appointment doesn't really speak well for a campaign promise of public safety being a high priority.
Good choice Mayor! Way to tell the public who is in charge! Public safety, I am certain, is still her higest priority.
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Originally posted by aoxamaxoa
Good choice Mayor! Way to tell the public who is in charge! Public safety, I am certain, is still her higest priority.
I'll agree with the choice. However, this position has been in limbo, since LaFortune suspended Been over a year and a half ago. That's considering that Been came back from suspension with the acknowledgement that he was retiring. You have a lame duck chief, replaced by an interim chief. How much does that inspire morale down at the cop shop?
He is a great choice.
Totally qualified in police duty and familiar with everything Tulsa.
Let's hope that the police rank and file remember and support him. I am interested to read and hear what they say. If it is not completely positive, they will be shooting themselves in the foot.
I too am hoping the FOP will hold their breath for a while, I can assure you hundreds of officers are THRILLED with the choice and are ready to move forward.
I watched the press conference and am happy to see him back.
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Originally posted by tulsa_fan
I too am hoping the FOP will hold their breath for a while, I can assure you hundreds of officers are THRILLED with the choice and are ready to move forward.
I watched the press conference and am happy to see him back.
Palmer is a good choice, he wasn't her first choice or Bill Wells either, for that matter. I am sure the FOP will support Palmer, but if you think this will make the at-will issue will go away, you've got another thing coming. This issue will be Kathy Taylor's Bell's.
Surely the FOP isn't happy about the "at-will" thing. But how can they turn their back on Palmer? I'm not saying I think there's subterfuge here. Actually, I think it's good leadership.
Everyone, meet your new chief....same as the old chief.[}:)]
Most officers are relieved Ron Palmer is coming back. The first rumor this morning was that Drew Diamond was the former chief that was going to be hired. After that scare, everyone realized it could have been alot worse.
Most officers respect Chief Palmer and are glad to see a familiar face in the top office. No one is happy about the "at will" aspect of his employment and most officers are curious if this will change how he will manage the police department.
As far as the FOP goes, I don't believe the lawsuits will be dropped regarding the hiring of internal candidates and the new "at will" aspect of the chief's position. In regards to Chief Palmer, the FOP is probably glad he is back in the chief's spot. I think the FOP won 28 out of 32 grievance arbitrations when he was in office.
The more interesting thing to watch will be the reaction of the BOC (Black Officers Coalition). They have no love for Chief Palmer. I wouldn't be surprised if the BOC went to federal court in an effort to get an injunction against the hiring of Chief Palmer. There is a section in the Consent Degree that talks about there will be no changes in the promotion process ect.
The BOC had chosen to stay out of the chief's fight because they thought the mayor would hire someone they could support. However, now that the mayor has rehired Palmer, I hear they are very angry and getting ready to fight to keep him out.
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Originally posted by MH2010
Most officers are relieved Ron Palmer is coming back. The first rumor this morning was that Drew Diamond was the former chief that was going to be hired. After that scare, everyone realized it could have been alot worse.
Most officers respect Chief Palmer and are glad to see a familiar face in the top office. No one is happy about the "at will" aspect of his employment and most officers are curious if this will change how he will manage the police department.
As far as the FOP goes, I don't believe the lawsuits will be dropped regarding the hiring of internal candidates and the new "at will" aspect of the chief's position. In regards to Chief Palmer, the FOP is probably glad he is back in the chief's spot. I think the FOP won 28 out of 32 grievance arbitrations when he was in office.
The more interesting thing to watch will be the reaction of the BOC (Black Officers Coalition). They have no love for Chief Palmer. I wouldn't be surprised if the BOC went to federal court in an effort to get an injunction against the hiring of Chief Palmer. There is a section in the Consent Degree that talks about there will be no changes in the promotion process ect.
The BOC had chosen to stay out of the chief's fight because they thought the mayor would hire someone they could support. However, now that the mayor has rehired Palmer, I hear they are very angry and getting ready to fight to keep him out.
Nice to hear from you MH....
My first question regarding this appointment...?
Is this going to be something that has the appearance of the City "thumbing it's nose" at the BOC lawsuit judgment and ongoing monitoring....?
This could turn into somewhat of a clusterf#*k......
With the ongoing lawsuit and the judgment of the BOC lawsuit.... It may give the appearance that the City of Tulsa...i.e. Kathy Taylor.. Is trying to make new law as they go along...
Your opinion is always welcome MH.... Hope the wife is doing well..!
I don't know exactly how this will be taken by the courts. I do know that next month there was supposed to be a meeting in federal court concerning the ending of the consent decree. It was supposed to time-out next year. However, now that Palmer is back in, I see the BOC really pushing to get the consent decree extended. I wouldn't be suprised if Lewis Bullock shows up soon claiming new violations and a hostile work environment for black officers.
Councilors Henderson and Turner will probably jump in with the BOC as well. Yesterday, I heard that they walked out of the press conference in disgust. The Tulsa World is also reporting that today. Members of the BOC are irrate and are planning something. I will bet that the Henderson and Turner will meet with the BOC and come up with a game plan on what they will want to do.
This isn't over yet. I don't think Mayor Taylor realized how this would anger the BOC and other people in the black community.
I just have this wacky idea that maybe Taylor hired someone who would make most of the officers happy, get them to quit fighting amongst themselves, and maybe do something about crime in this town.
I've always had this off the wall idea that I should be spending my time trying to make sure my work is done effectively and not thinking up new lawsuits and grievances. Blocking the hiring of Ron Palmer for what is basically a paperwork/terminology disagreement solely because you don't like him is asinine.
All of this fighting doesn't effect most officers. The majority of officers know that their jobs are the same regardless of who sits in the top office. Most Chiefs don't change policies that much so most jobs in the police department stays the same.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
I just have this wacky idea that maybe Taylor hired someone who would make most of the officers happy, get them to quit fighting amongst themselves, and maybe do something about crime in this town.
I've always had this off the wall idea that I should be spending my time trying to make sure my work is done effectively and not thinking up new lawsuits and grievances. Blocking the hiring of Ron Palmer for what is basically a paperwork/terminology disagreement solely because you don't like him is asinine.
What 'fighting amongst themselves' are you talking about? Give us some examples.
I'd like to go to work and understand who I'm supposed to be fighting with. I guess I don't have a players' card.
I spoke to a Tulsa police office this morning at Quik Trip (I was buying myself a donut and he was getting coffee).
I asked him what he thought of the new chief and he said that he wasn't on the force when Palmer was in charge, but that most of the officers he knew that were around then had great respect for him.
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Originally posted by MH2010
I wouldn't be suprised if Lewis Bullock shows up soon claiming new violations and a hostile work environment for black officers.
I'd forgotten Bullock was involved in that suit. He keeps his sailboat slipped a few spots down from mine.
(in my best Italian dialect) "Do you want I should leave a special stinky present left for him on his boat?"
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Originally posted by Wilbur
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
I just have this wacky idea that maybe Taylor hired someone who would make most of the officers happy, get them to quit fighting amongst themselves, and maybe do something about crime in this town.
I've always had this off the wall idea that I should be spending my time trying to make sure my work is done effectively and not thinking up new lawsuits and grievances. Blocking the hiring of Ron Palmer for what is basically a paperwork/terminology disagreement solely because you don't like him is asinine.
What 'fighting amongst themselves' are you talking about? Give us some examples.
I'd like to go to work and understand who I'm supposed to be fighting with. I guess I don't have a players' card.
Then you're one of the good guys.
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Originally posted by MH2010
All of this fighting doesn't effect most officers. The majority of officers know that their jobs are the same regardless of who sits in the top office. Most Chiefs don't change policies that much so most jobs in the police department stays the same.
Yes, but it ties up some officers. Just wish everyone in public service would concentrate on.. well.. serving the public. To me they're just saying
"I know the crime rates are up but I need to keep the Mayor from possibly being able to fire the Chief at will, I'll get to that whole 'keeping people from getting shot' thing later."
In my estimation the mayor had one thing that Tulsa really needed her to do and she has failed.
I'm a life-long Democrat and Taylor is a disappointment.
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Originally posted by Hometown
In my estimation the mayor had one thing that Tulsa really needed her to do and she has failed.
I'm a life-long Democrat and Taylor is a disappointment.
HT- what one thing did we need her to do in your estimation?
You really shouldn't be surprised about Taylor. She's a political chameleon. Wealthy Republican type (even donated to "W"'s campaign to "have a seat at the table") with liberal social leanings and somewhat of a penchant for tax & spend.
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Originally posted by Hometown
In my estimation the mayor had one thing that Tulsa really needed her to do and she has failed.
I'm a life-long Democrat and Taylor is a disappointment.
Would you support a recall? If violating our charter(The equivalent being unconstitutional at the local level) is not grounds for a recall, what is? BTW, did you have to go to rehab to get the Kool-Aid out of your system or did you kick the habit all on your own?
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Originally posted by MH2010
I don't know exactly how this will be taken by the courts. I do know that next month there was supposed to be a meeting in federal court concerning the ending of the consent decree. It was supposed to time-out next year. However, now that Palmer is back in, I see the BOC really pushing to get the consent decree extended. I wouldn't be suprised if Lewis Bullock shows up soon claiming new violations and a hostile work environment for black officers.
Councilors Henderson and Turner will probably jump in with the BOC as well. Yesterday, I heard that they walked out of the press conference in disgust. The Tulsa World is also reporting that today. Members of the BOC are irrate and are planning something. I will bet that the Henderson and Turner will meet with the BOC and come up with a game plan on what they will want to do.
This isn't over yet. I don't think Mayor Taylor realized how this would anger the BOC and other people in the black community.
Suppose that is one reason for the Council meeting not being on TGOV this evening?
I don't know the particulars of the BOC case or what the ruling will be on the "Charter' issue.
That being said; did we really need to conduct a Nationwide search to find Palmer? Was that because of his tour in Afghanistan? [}:)]
Back to being serious as I feel this is a very serious issue. It won't be going away.
IMHO the Charter issue will side with the Officers. If that winds up as the case does this remove Palmer as the Chief of Police?
If so maybe he will be an appointed "Public Safety Adviser".
The Chief position would then be given to one of the remaining Police officers.?
With Palmer's reported salary and the cost of an additional "Top Cop" that will be something of a hard sell with the "River Tax" so close at hand.
Every so often... another City will have a similar amount of Political intrigue...but not very often.
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Originally posted by Rico
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Originally posted by MH2010
I don't know exactly how this will be taken by the courts. I do know that next month there was supposed to be a meeting in federal court concerning the ending of the consent decree. It was supposed to time-out next year. However, now that Palmer is back in, I see the BOC really pushing to get the consent decree extended. I wouldn't be suprised if Lewis Bullock shows up soon claiming new violations and a hostile work environment for black officers.
Councilors Henderson and Turner will probably jump in with the BOC as well. Yesterday, I heard that they walked out of the press conference in disgust. The Tulsa World is also reporting that today. Members of the BOC are irrate and are planning something. I will bet that the Henderson and Turner will meet with the BOC and come up with a game plan on what they will want to do.
This isn't over yet. I don't think Mayor Taylor realized how this would anger the BOC and other people in the black community.
Suppose that is one reason for the Council meeting not being on TGOV this evening?
I don't know the particulars of the BOC case or what the ruling will be on the "Charter' issue.
That being said; did we really need to conduct a Nationwide search to find Palmer? Was that because of his tour in Afghanistan? [}:)]
Back to being serious as I feel this is a very serious issue. It won't be going away.
IMHO the Charter issue will side with the Officers. If that winds up as the case does this remove Palmer as the Chief of Police?
If so maybe he will be an appointed "Public Safety Adviser".
The Chief position would then be given to one of the remaining Police officers.?
With Palmer's reported salary and the cost of an additional "Top Cop" that will be something of a hard sell with the "River Tax" so close at hand.
Every so often... another City will have a similar amount of Political intrigue...but not very often.
I've heard from a few sources that the mayor could not find anyone qualified (during her national search) to commit to taking the job for two reasons. The first reason was because of the lawsuit and the uncertainty of the outcome. The second reason was because she wanted the Chief to be "at-will" and exempt from civil service protection. Prospective candidates did not want to get to Tulsa and start the job then the mayor not run for a second term (because she decides to run for a state or national office) then they would not have any job security.
Palmer took the Chief position because he quite simply needed a job. It was general knowledge that his consulting business was not going well. That was why he went to Afghanistan ( he didn't like it so he came back.) He was looking for a job when this opportunity came up. The mayor knew all of this and knew that he would not turn down the offer like Deputy Chief Wells did because he really needed the job, especially one that pays $165,000 a year.
As far as the lawsuit regarding the charter goes, I think that if the FOP wins, she will just hire one of the remaining candidates and then change Palmer's title to Police commissioner, Public safety director ect. Palmer will then be over the Police chief. The only question is how the city will pay for a police chief and then the additional position.
Lastly, I found it interesting that the mayor was quoted in the Tulsa World saying, "the increase is warranted, given Palmer's experience and what is offered to chiefs in comparable cities." Now, I am wondering if she feels the same way about the rank and file officers? Will she now advocate pay raises to get the rest of the officers up to the same level as comparable cities? Further, does she feel that other city employees deserve to be paid a comparable wage to other cities our size?
She fills up one hole and digs another......
Lastly, I found it interesting that the mayor was quoted in the Tulsa World saying, "the increase is warranted, given Palmer's experience and what is offered to chiefs in comparable cities." Now, I am wondering if she feels the same way about the rank and file officers? Will she now advocate pay raises to get the rest of the officers up to the same level as comparable cities? Further, does she feel that other city employees deserve to be paid a comparable wage to other cities our size?
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That's a quote to put in the FOP's back pocket and save.
Even if the FOP wins, Palmer will stay over the PD. It maybe even more likely now that she'll let the lawsuit go and hire within and leave Palmer above.
I'm sure Palmer needed steady income, but I think he was an upstanding chief and I am hopeful he will be such again.
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Prospective candidates did not want to get to Tulsa and start the job then the mayor not run for a second term (because she decides to run for a state or national office) get fired by the voters before she could screw up any worse in a second term then they would not have any job security.
I corrected that for you MH.
Considering the FOP recently got a raise that was more than double the rate of inflation, I don't know why they're still complaining.
Not to bring the wage battle up again, but . . . the contract isn't up until next July 1. They didn't get any raise this year, the last raise was to cover two years. I just seconded the comment that she herself stuck her foot in her mouth, if she raised Palmer's pay based on other cities. . . then its reasonable to expect her to consider that in the next contract as well.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
Considering the FOP recently got a raise that was more than double the rate of inflation, I don't know why they're still complaining.
Aw, what's wrong? Has Lorton been spending too much money on his sprawling estate, demolishing historic buildings downtown, buying influence, and contributing to political campaigns, to afford decent raises for his valued employees?
Did anyone see the channel 2 interview of Derrick Lewis, the president of the BOC?
They are so pissed.
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Originally posted by Breadburner
She fills up one hole and digs another......
I hate to quote myself.....
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by tulsa_fan
I too am hoping the FOP will hold their breath for a while, I can assure you hundreds of officers are THRILLED with the choice and are ready to move forward.
I watched the press conference and am happy to see him back.
Palmer is a good choice, he wasn't her first choice or Bill Wells either, for that matter. I am sure the FOP will support Palmer, but if you think this will make the at-will issue will go away, you've got another thing coming. This issue will be Kathy Taylor's Bell's.
BTW, that does not mean I support or endorse this decision for Palmer as chief. I do not.
But your endorsement is so important to the critical decision-makers in our community...
MH - I did see the BOS interview. I found it interesting that he said they didn't understand when they had three qualified internal candidates why this is the best they could do. I didn't realize the BOC was supporting the internal candidates? Or they are now that they are really pissed with the choice?
I think all this is going to be very interesting. In general, I think 99% of the officers will be happy with Palmer. If crime goes down and there isn't shown any racial issues, people will ignore the NAACP and the BOC. People care more about their safety than old grudges. All the consent decree did is add a few more layers of fluff and cause the department to spend a TON more money to provide more data on themselves. I don't know of any officers who changed the way they worked because of the decree. You don't have to change your ways when what you do is enforce the laws fairly, regardless of race.
The BOC didn't throw their support either way until Palmer was hired. Now, they are saying anyone but Palmer.
The consent degree really didn't change how anyone I know worked. It just added some extra paperwork and caused the city to spend a ton of money to get CALEA certified and to record/make available a bunch of data.
If anyone wants to see what informaion is collected as a result of the consent decree go to www.tpdd.org. The website is not ran by the BOC, FOP, TPD or anyone affiliated with the consent degree. It's ran by a independent person who has alot of time on their hands. I find the information very interesting.
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Originally posted by MH2010
The BOC didn't throw their support either way until Palmer was hired. Now, they are saying anyone but Palmer.
The consent degree really didn't change how anyone I know worked. It just added some extra paperwork and caused the city to spend a ton of money to get CALEA certified and to record/make available a bunch of data.
If anyone wants to see what informaion is collected as a result of the consent decree go to www.tpdd.org. The website is not ran by the BOC, FOP, TPD or anyone affiliated with the consent degree. It's ran by a independent person who has alot of time on their hands. I find the information very interesting.
The link doesn't work.
Try
http://www.tpdd.org/
As heard over the weekend:
"Hell yes I'd be the Mayor's b$#%^ for $165K a year!"
Word around the campfire is that Palmer's security business had drained him financially. He needed a job and didn't have a problem being an at will employee for a few years for $165K per year.
Dissenting officers can take heart in knowing that Ms. Taylor stands a good chance of being a one-term mayor.
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Originally posted by Conan71
As heard over the weekend:
"Hell yes I'd be the Mayor's b$#%^ for $165K a year!"
Word around the campfire is that Palmer's security business had drained him financially. He needed a job and didn't have a problem being an at will employee for a few years for $165K per year.
Dissenting officers can take heart in knowing that Ms. Taylor stands a good chance of being a one-term mayor.
If she makes it one term.
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I really do not know all the info on the BOC lawsuit or what brought it on...
That being said; The mere presence of Palmer is giving others an amplified feeling of mistrust in the City Government.
That much I do know.
(conjecture to follow)
He was the "top dog" at TPD for many years...
He should have known or maybe he did have knowledge of the findings of the lawsuit.... prior to them ever being made public.
Maybe that was the reason he retired....
end of conjecture
We actually, as taxpayers, paid for a search for the best candidate for Chief of Police Tulsa could find....
We got someone that can not begin to do his job without questions being raised. More than likely they will continue to be raised...
doubt, suspicion, distrust...
these are not the things that precede an individual that can begin to lead all of Tulsa in a new direction.
On top of all this success we place an amount of failure and expect it to have no effect..
Sorry, someone chose the wrong horse to bring into this Arena.
Our Mayor had a response.
For the mayor's take on all this, read her statement:
"Chief Palmer has a decade of public service to this city, a record of reduced crime rates and a sincere willingness to serve Tulsa again as Police Chief.
Together, we are making so much progress in this city. We should not return to political bickering. Every neighborhood in this city deserves be safe and we are committed to working toward that goal.
Chief Palmer has been on the job for three days now. I would ask that these two councilors put personal history aside and give him a chance to our fine Tulsa Police officers and partner with us in identifying public safety priorities that will make every neighborhood safe, keep kids out of gangs and make sure seniors feel safe in their homes."
Kathy Taylor, Mayor of Tulsa
As far as the lawsuit by the three prospective internal candidates for chief goes, it now appears their case is moot since Deputy Chief Wells retired and now lives in the OKC area, so realistically there are no longer "three qualified internal candidates," per the charter. I would suppose the city will just wait for a ruling, and if it doesn't come prior to November 1, officially Wells final day of vacation, sick leave, etc, the issue is completely moot!
I think they will likely look at it as an issue of whether or not there were three certified candidates when the vacancy occured. The issue is that at the time of vacancy, there were three certified candidates. Wells retired because the mayor wouldn't play his way, he took his ball and glove and moved to Edmond.
Had Wells already been retired, I'm sure a third candidate could have been certified, if not then there wouldn't have been three and the mayor could have instituted a nation-wide search without going against the charter and there would be no lawsuit now.
I don't think his retirement alone will get it tossed.
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Originally posted by Copperhead
As far as the lawsuit by the three prospective internal candidates for chief goes, it now appears their case is moot since Deputy Chief Wells retired and now lives in the OKC area, so realistically there are no longer "three qualified internal candidates," per the charter. I would suppose the city will just wait for a ruling, and if it doesn't come prior to November 1, officially Wells final day of vacation, sick leave, etc, the issue is completely moot!
Case law says you can't wait for someone to leave/die..... to win your side of a law suit. Otherwise, the city could just wait someone, or a group of people, out.
The suit goes on until it is ruled upon.
Why is it taking so long?
We wouldn't want a rush to judgment would we.......?
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[}:)]
[}:)] My Rico, that's a big one! [}:)]
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[}:)] My Rico, that's a big one! [}:)]
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eeeh....ehh..eh. He said BIG ONE......!
Dumb donkey........
LMAO! [:D] Life just isn't the same without B & B! [:(]