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Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: cannon_fodder on August 15, 2007, 08:51:40 AM
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--imus-lawsuit0814aug14,0,5044243.story

One of the Rutger's girls is suing Don Imus for his on air comments.  First of all, this is a dangerous infringement on speech.  The comment was off the cuff by a talking head known for such remarks.  It is not wise to make people worry about being sued while trying to entertain.

In any event, this suit will fail for at least 2 main reasons:
1) The comment was not directed at an individual.    Slander of a group is generally not actionable.  (people from Texas are stupid... oh crap, now 40mil Texans can sue me).
2) No Damages.  Did anyone hear Imus and decide that in fact these women were Nappy Headed Hos?  Did they lose out on anything?  Nope.

Defense:
a) Public figure.  There may be some defense in saying that a team playing in the NCAA finals is a public figure - especially as a team.  
b) Truth.  Are they Nappy Headed Ho's?

Anyway.  This is my 2 minute writeup.  The suit is a bad idea and poor on legal footing.
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: iplaw on August 15, 2007, 09:09:09 AM
Yeah, they have no chance to win, but it's not about whether they win or lose, it's about whether they get to have another 15 minutes of fame for themselves and their pimp Al $harpton.
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: aoxamaxoa on August 15, 2007, 10:25:46 AM
Hmmmm....racial overtones.



Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: iplaw on August 15, 2007, 10:41:29 AM
quote:
Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

Hmmmm....racial overtones.





(http://royalswagger.com/uploaded_images/CaptainObvious-797351.jpg)
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: aoxamaxoa on August 15, 2007, 10:46:37 AM
ip....tell me how to post pics.
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: iplaw on August 15, 2007, 10:51:59 AM
quote:
Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

ip....tell me how to post pics.

Why don't you just point us to the dailykos and tell us what pictures you want us to look at?
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: aoxamaxoa on August 15, 2007, 10:59:14 AM
because, i have pics on my hard drive to use.

Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: iplaw on August 15, 2007, 11:17:13 AM
quote:
Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

because, i have pics on my hard drive to use.



I don't think anyone wants to see what's on your hard drive...
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: Conan71 on August 15, 2007, 11:25:43 AM
quote:
Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

because, i have pics on my hard drive to use.





Set up a photobucket account.  I wanna see a photo of you smoking a big fattie.
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: mr.jaynes on August 15, 2007, 11:37:17 AM
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

Yeah, they have no chance to win, but it's not about whether they win or lose, it's about whether they get to have another 15 minutes of fame for themselves and their pimp Al $harpton.



I would think by now, Al Sharpton (given his antics) would have lost any clout with his community long ago. After the Tawana Brawley case some 20 years ago, you'd think they'd have tuned him out in favor of someone who'd be a little less of a demagogue, a little less of a troublemaker.
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: aoxamaxoa on August 15, 2007, 11:56:16 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

quote:
Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

because, i have pics on my hard drive to use.





Set up a photobucket account.  I wanna see a photo of you smoking a big fattie.



There would be no such incriminating evidence.

But that reminds me of the article in yesterdaze WSJ about Tom Pendergrass in Kansas City who with his brother Jim created a sense of bohemia by establishing speakeasy's and casino's during prohibition which essentially started up the jazz age. It mentioned Jay McShane several times. Point being, the ethnic minority in a community should be part of a communities backbone and name calling only serves one vicious purpose. Any way,  combine substance and civil disobedience and you have a key component to attracting other's from outside. Lots of unique cities everywhere around the globe that offer something different. Not just arena's.

If you don't want to share how to post a pic, then fine. Your loss.
I knew yuze guys did not play well with others.
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: cannon_fodder on August 15, 2007, 12:21:55 PM
You can not host pictures on Tulsa Now, you can only link to them.  When posting, click the icon that looks like the MS picture icon with the clever hover tag "insert image."  Then enter the URL for wherever the image happens to be (photobucket, google, whatever).  Then tada, picture!

(http://blaugh.com/cartoons/070522_don_imus_insult.gif)
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: Conan71 on August 15, 2007, 01:05:22 PM
Aox-

Here's a link to Photobucket.  It's what I use.  There are other free hosting services as well.  Set up an account, upload your photos and it will create a URL for each of your photos you can post to non-hosting web sites.

Photobucket (//%22http://www.photobucket.com%22)

See, I'm not always an a-hole toward you.
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: aoxamaxoa on August 15, 2007, 05:39:20 PM
could not get the image to pop up....just the little box with an x in it....

suggestions...
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: cannon_fodder on August 16, 2007, 09:51:58 AM
<img]http://thisismyimage.com/image.jpg[/img>

Replace the <> with [] and this is the correct linkage.

so:
<img]http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/pics/breaking/0815biz-savethepenny15-ON-autosized258.jpg[/img>
becomes
(http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/pics/breaking/0815biz-savethepenny15-ON-autosized258.jpg)

remembering to use the [].  If you get the red X you either had an invalid link or the service does not allow outsourced links of pictures.  Remember, the picture must be on the net somewhere, not in email or on your HD.
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: Conan71 on August 16, 2007, 09:53:10 AM
$harpton is gloming onto this lawsuit now.  The guy makes me sick.  He was on H & C last night saying that "that girl" deserves something from Imus' $20mm settlement with his former employer(s).

Yeah, real slander and defamation.  She's scarred for life for sure.  Phfffttt!
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: cannon_fodder on August 16, 2007, 10:42:23 AM
Funny thing, bringing this suit makes her a public person for sure - she has thrust herself into the limelight.  So now you can parody her all you like with near impunity.
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: Conan71 on August 16, 2007, 01:41:51 PM
So now I can call her a nappy headed ho with impunity if I were so inclined, eh?
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: PreserveSouthTulsa.com on August 16, 2007, 02:43:44 PM
From the article:

After the comments were made, she said at a press conference: "Unless they've given 'ho' a whole new definition, that's not what I am."

I thought "ho" was synonymous with girl.  Didn't they change the meaning within the last 20 years?  
That reminds me, I need to call my "ho." [:D]

Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: iplaw on August 16, 2007, 02:45:40 PM
All you have to say is that you're a rapper and everything is cool, it's the ultimate racism shield.
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: Conan71 on August 16, 2007, 03:02:01 PM
I bet it gets tossed, or either Imus gives each of the offendee's some $$ to go away.  Then that would pretty much would make them all a bunch of....

Eh, nevermind.
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: cannon_fodder on August 16, 2007, 03:06:27 PM
Clever comment of the week award.
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: john stevens on August 16, 2007, 05:24:06 PM
Is it just a coincidence that Don Imus settled with his former employer for millions of dollars at around the same time that the lawsuit against him by the player was filed?
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: mr.jaynes on August 16, 2007, 05:27:56 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

$harpton is gloming onto this lawsuit now.  The guy makes me sick.


Sooner or later, Sharpton is going to be discredited as the demagogue he truly is. Just get him emroiled on the correct issue and watch all that political capital of his go right down the toilet.
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: cannon_fodder on August 17, 2007, 09:24:12 AM
Jaynes, he's been discredited time and again. Most recently, of course, with the Duke players thing. Not sure who gives this man support anymore, what good does he do?

If this is the best the civil rights movement has left to offer, I'm afraid it is indeed dead.  I guess its a sign of equality when "their" leaders can be as inept and ineffective as "ours."
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: Conan71 on August 17, 2007, 10:00:22 AM
The only reason $harpton is still relevant to the Democratic party is that he can bring a lot of black votes to the table.  

I don't think he will ever be discredited by his own folk because he's convinced them every time someone goes after him it's just "the man" trying to keep all of them down.

When he ran for President, he managed to raise a little less than $1mm.  Of that, I believe $100K was the Federal campaign reimbursement.  He knew he didn't have a chance to even get close to a nomination, but I bet it helped fuel his lifestyle for a year.

Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: patric on August 17, 2007, 10:59:48 AM
quote:
Originally posted by PreserveSouthTulsa.com

From the article:

After the comments were made, she said at a press conference: "Unless they've given 'ho' a whole new definition, that's not what I am."



Seems like allowing herself to be used as a conduit to siphon off CBS's $20 Million settlement puts her a bit closer to "ho" status.
...and truth is a defense for libel...
Life imitates art?
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: tim huntzinger on August 21, 2007, 08:46:12 AM
Off topic, but I think Kanye's new song 'Stronger' has an insult which causes Imus' to pale.  He goes 'You can be my black Kate Moss tonight' at one point.  This from Mister 'Bush Hates Black People.'  He does not say 'you can be my queen/beyonce/princess.' Nope.  He tells the Sister she can be a colored version of a scrawny coke head.  Oh, where is the outrage???
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: mr.jaynes on August 21, 2007, 03:48:49 PM
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Jaynes, he's been discredited time and again. Most recently, of course, with the Duke players thing. Not sure who gives this man support anymore, what good does he do?

If this is the best the civil rights movement has left to offer, I'm afraid it is indeed dead.  I guess its a sign of equality when "their" leaders can be as inept and ineffective as "ours."



I can agree with you there, but I think someone like that can be discredited only so much before people stop reinvesting him with any more credibility. Then again, after his involement with the Tawana Brawley scandal in the 1980s, as well as the Crown Heights riot in 1991 and the 1995 riot at the Fashion Mart in Harlem, one would think that he'd crawl back under the rock he crawled out from under, but you'd be wrong.
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: Conan71 on August 21, 2007, 04:06:59 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Jaynes, he's been discredited time and again. Most recently, of course, with the Duke players thing. Not sure who gives this man support anymore, what good does he do?

If this is the best the civil rights movement has left to offer, I'm afraid it is indeed dead.  I guess its a sign of equality when "their" leaders can be as inept and ineffective as "ours."



I can agree with you there, but I think someone like that can be discredited only so much before people stop reinvesting him with any more credibility. Then again, after his involement with the Tawana Brawley scandal in the 1980s, as well as the Crown Heights riot in 1991 and the 1995 riot at the Fashion Mart in Harlem, one would think that he'd crawl back under the rock he crawled out from under, but you'd be wrong.



$harpton has a brass set of family jewels.  He remains relevant because many black people think they need a rabble-rouser like himself to speak up for them.  There are many black people who are embarrased by this guy.

Unfortunately for them, he has little in the way of creds outside his own race.  To most white people, the guy is a petty extortionist.  I don't think he has any friends in the DNC, just acquaintances.
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: mr.jaynes on August 22, 2007, 01:28:48 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

quote:
Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Jaynes, he's been discredited time and again. Most recently, of course, with the Duke players thing. Not sure who gives this man support anymore, what good does he do?

If this is the best the civil rights movement has left to offer, I'm afraid it is indeed dead.  I guess its a sign of equality when "their" leaders can be as inept and ineffective as "ours."



I can agree with you there, but I think someone like that can be discredited only so much before people stop reinvesting him with any more credibility. Then again, after his involement with the Tawana Brawley scandal in the 1980s, as well as the Crown Heights riot in 1991 and the 1995 riot at the Fashion Mart in Harlem, one would think that he'd crawl back under the rock he crawled out from under, but you'd be wrong.



$harpton has a brass set of family jewels.  He remains relevant because many black people think they need a rabble-rouser like himself to speak up for them.  There are many black people who are embarrased by this guy.

Unfortunately for them, he has little in the way of creds outside his own race.  To most white people, the guy is a petty extortionist.  I don't think he has any friends in the DNC, just acquaintances.



It's interesting that the DNC obviously ignores the likes of Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam (and rightly so), but that some in the DNC take Sharpton (and Jesse Jackson too, for that matter, and should a thread open about him, I will be pleased to contribute) as a serious player in Democratic politics. And as soon as the DNC ceases to take him as seriously as he takes himself, problem solved.

As for the Civil rights movement having better leadership, they must first look to their own communities, in grass roots fashion, rather than looking to uptown rabble rousers like that.
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: Conan71 on August 22, 2007, 02:12:02 PM
That Jack$on and $harpton have been very tepid with any sort of support for Obama is very telling.  Their egos are far too big to accept that the spotlight is shining on someone else who isn't such a polarizing figure in terms of race.

Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: tim huntzinger on August 22, 2007, 03:26:57 PM
The NOI is revolutionary, whereas Sharpton and all are reformist.  Further, the NOI are anti-Christian, and the others work within the church.
Title: Nappy Headed Lawsuit
Post by: mr.jaynes on August 25, 2007, 03:35:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

That Jack$on and $harpton have been very tepid with any sort of support for Obama is very telling.  Their egos are far too big to accept that the spotlight is shining on someone else who isn't such a polarizing figure in terms of race.



Just goes to show that you don't have to have the endorsement of the likes of $harpton or Jack$on to be politically successful.