The article is actually pro-Tulsa.
http://www.worldgolf.com/news/pga/championship-southern-hills-tulsa-heat-cbs-commentary-5817.htm
Pro Tulsa, Anti August in Tulsa.
I think I may start boycotting August myself. Oh, and January.
One reason that outdoor events have more attendence in Illinois, Ohio and Indiana is the fact that those states have much milder wearher in the summer months. You actually see thousands of motorcyclists riding all over the state and attending outdoor concerts, motorsports events and festivals.
Oklahoma has how many weekends during the summer that are mild, not raining or over 85 degrees?
Yeah, and Illinois has long, cold winters (as a former resident, I can attest), while many times in Tulsa during the winter you can go out with a light jacket or even shirt sleeves.
So Oklahoma gets hot in the summer. Big deal. Illinois gets so cold in the winter to where you don't want to go outside, either.
It all evens out over time.
What Southern Hills needs to do is become a regular stop on the Tour. In April.
I love one of the posters who replied to the post saying that Southern Hills is a test, not a convenience. It puts the pampered players in their place.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
Yeah, and Illinois has long, cold winters (as a former resident, I can attest), while many times in Tulsa during the winter you can go out with a light jacket or even shirt sleeves.
So Oklahoma gets hot in the summer. Big deal. Illinois gets so cold in the winter to where you don't want to go outside, either.
It all evens out over time.
My point being that summer is the time when families are taking vacations, kids are out of school and people have time to travel and attend and in today's extreme family theme actually participate in outdoor events, races and festivals. Must have the participants to have those types of events, and with many amateur and sportsman events there are upwards of 1,400 participants such as a GNC Motocross.
Take Springfield for instance. Pro Racing is held on Saturday and Sunday with Amateurs racing on Friday night. The model is designed for the amateurs and their families stay over to watch the professional races on Saturday and Sunday. Same with Motosross, typically Pros on Friday and Saturday with Amateurs on Sunday on the same course that the Pros ran on. It is a very big event for the amateur and youth classes to be allowed to participate on that level of a venue with professional preperation of the surface.
In August the tour heads to the pacific North West to Washington State, then back down to Sturgis, then over to the West Coast Swing where normally the temps are in the 80s. In September it comes back to Illinois and ends either in Columbus Ohio or DuQuoin, Illinois.
Granted, Oklahoma may have milder winters, however the rain, ice and snow coupled with the fact that vacation time typically runs from June to mid August does not help with the production of Outdoor Events during the winter months.
We do have large indoor events in Tulsa during the winter months. Most savvy Tulsa winter months event organizers and show producers have either held their events indoors from the start, or have moved their events indoors due to the low number of "chamber of commerce weather" weekeds available in Tulsa. Those shows include the Tulsa Shootout, Starbird Rod & Custom Show, Xtreme World Arena Cross, Chili Bowl, Boat Sport and Travel Show, Indoor Fun Fair, Tulsa Arenacross, Auto Rama among others.
Many outdoor national shows follow the footsteps of the Carnival/County Fair schedule, which follows the mild weather at the close of the summer and beginning of the spring. Most travel from the Pacific Northwest down to Florida where many would stay for the Winter months.
AMA for instance ran at Castle Rock, Washington this past weekend. They start in Daytona Florida in March, and follow the milder weather to the North all summer. Similar to the same tours used by the County Fairs and Carnivals.
I don't buy your theory, AMP.
Sure, people are on vacation in the summer. That means they're going OUT OF TOWN a lot and are not worrying much about local events.
The key to local events is whether they're on the weekend. Everything else is secondary. Weather is a big factor, but that's uncontrollable no matter where you are.
Sure, you can have plenty of summer events in Illinois. But guess what? I gets really frickin' hot there, too. The temperatures are 5 degrees cooler, but the humidity is worse. In the St. Louis area, where I lived, "real feel" temperatures of 100-110 regularly occurred during summer.
It's hot in the summer. Get over it.
The nice part about Oklahoma is that you can have pleasant outdoor events into November. You try that in the Illinois and the upper Midwest, you'll freeze your kiester off.
Over half the country was as hot or hotter than Tulsa this week. I guess that makes us the television scapegoat for the week?
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Originally posted by aoxamaxoa
Neve [sic] expect to see the PGA back here.....
Did you say the same thing in:
1958
1970
1977
1982
1994
1995
1996
2001
and of course, 2007?
News flash! Its hot in August. "NAY! NAY" - AOX.
From the article referenced above:
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The Arkansas River runs through here, and there's a beautiful park that parallels it, following the contours of the river. People jog and ride bicycles through the park, past beautiful sculptures here and there.
My hometown, Jacksonville, Fla., doesn't like parks because developers can't make money off them, and city officials wouldn't know a sculpture from a scupper.
It's very green here, ringed by the foothills of the Ozark Mountains. It's the birthplace of Route 66 and the home of Western swing.
It's said Tulsa is the cradle of culture and art of Oklahoma, which I assume is a compliment. You can drive a few minutes outside the city and see real cowboys and Indians, not the fake kind you see in Dallas It's like you're in the middle of "Lonesome Dove."
Tulsa is a good-sized city, with about 900,000 people in the whole metro area, but you rarely get the feeling of strangling congestion. There's plenty to do here, and plenty of room to do nothing, if you prefer.
But, Tulsa has one big drawback: Every year around this time, August inevitably shows up, bringing with it the sort of heat that would melt a monkey.
Good find Sq.
Tiger Woods winning at Southern Hills has added to the course's already considerable cachet.
The PGA will be back. It'll just be awhile because the tour now schedules tournaments further in advance than it once did.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
Tiger Woods winning at Southern Hills has added to the course's already considerable cachet.
The PGA will be back. It'll just be awhile because the tour now schedules tournaments further in advance than it once did.
So sorry. No more PGA. They don't play nice with others.....
It's going to be awhile, but they'll be back. I don't know all the ins and outs of PGA politics, but they'll be back. The course has too much history to be written off permanently. Look for another stop sooner or later, probably for the Tour Championship, which plays in the fall.
Seriously, though, there's always talk after these things of making SHCC a regular stop. That would be great for Tulsa.
Off-topic and name calling deleted.
Please stay on topic and play nice.
Aw Mod. I knew I was in for it as soon as you got done washing your tights.
On topic, nice article, August sucks.
This from today's Tulsa World...
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/article.aspx?articleID=070814_2_B1_MELWo42784
Will a major return?
By JIMMIE TRAMEL World Sports Writer
8/14/2007
After a successful PGA and a much-needed rest, Southern Hills could host again
THE RECENTLY completed PGA Championship was the seventh golf major at Southern Hills. What's next? "We want to have another major," said Al Bush, longtime Southern Hills member and general chairman of the PGA Championship. It will be later rather than sooner. U.S. Open sites are locked up through 2014 and seven of the next eight PGA Championship sites have been selected, with 2014 being the exception. But wheels are in motion for Southern Hills, which has hosted three U.S. Opens and four PGAs, to get back in the rotation.
"I feel very confident with the way the course held up with some of the world's greatest players and the greens and the hospitality and everything else that I think they are anxious to come back at some point, either the USGA for a U.S. Open or the PGA for a PGA Championship," said Jack Short, a former Southern Hills president and board member who will serve as general chairman of the 2010 U.S. Amateur at Southern Hills. "I think our chances are real good. But I think we need to let Tulsa have a rest and let Southern Hills have a rest for at least eight years."
Because Tulsa was awarded a U.S. Amateur, interpret that to mean Southern Hills is on the waiting list for a U.S. Open. Both tournaments are run by the USGA. "When you look back and see who got U.S. Opens, they have hosted a U.S. Amateur in the last five or six years," Short said. "We felt like should we ever want to have another U.S. Open, it would be incumbent on us wanting to host a U.S. Amateur."
Said Bush in regard to the possibility of another U.S. Open in Tulsa, "They said they wanted to come and we have had good relationships with them. I would expect them to come back." With the PGA Championship barely over, Short indicated it may be too early to speculate about another PGA. "But I talked to a number of their board members and the executive director of the PGA and they were very impressed," Short said. "They left no doubt that they wanted to come back to Tulsa at some point in the future. They were impressed with the way we treated them."
It is also believed that Southern Hills would like to host a Ryder Cup, which falls under the umbrella of the PGA of America. The Ryder Cup pits U.S. pros against European pros. It is held every two years, with sites rotating between the U.S. and Europe. U.S. sites are reserved through 2020. Short said no promises were made by the PGA of America in regard to future events. "But we wanted to make sure we gave them the right answers and we did. They were so impressed with the conditions and everything and how friendly everybody was."
Kerry Haigh, the PGA's managing director of tournaments, was asked about the possibility of another major in Southern Hills' future. "Well, that's up to Southern Hills if they want to," he said. "The membership has been through a lot of changes the past few years. But we're certainly and extremely pleased with the support and cooperation of Southern Hills and the membership. We couldn't be more happy with the relationship we have with this place. We're very happy, in fact."
The WORLD also published some AP articles on players lavishing accords on Southern Hills as a challenging course and Tulsa as a good host. Most noting the friendliness of citizens. The general consensus on the heat seems to be "so what, its August."
AOX - go set them straight!
Come on. Whadaya spect from the Chamber Whirled of disinformation.
Well, they cited PGA officials, golfers, tour directors, Southern Hills committee members, sponsors, and history. You have cited nothing (as usual).
Set up by CF. Dang.
CF, do you think the local paper does actual journalism?
I can't get into this disinformation. I have my sources and the Whirled has it's. Kinda.
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Originally posted by aoxamaxoa
I can't get into this disinformation. I have my sources and the Whirled has it's. Kinda.
Yours are super secret, theirs are cited. I have secret sources too, that guarantee we will get another major. So there!
I think we will get another major too. A US OPEN. In the early 20's.
What's your problem?
lol, not really sure. Long weekend I suppose. Added with heat and a looming workweek. generally hostile I suppose. [;)]
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Originally posted by aoxamaxoa
Set up by CF. Dang.
CF, do you think the local paper does actual journalism?
I can't get into this disinformation. I have my sources and the Whirled has it's. Kinda.
Either Al Bush is just being polite, or maybe not all members at SHCC are that pissed at the PGA.
Have you not heard?
Bush's are obsolete.
Sorry not an SHCC member if you are referring to that clan- wouldn't have a clue.
If you are referring to the CIA/governor/president Bushes the joke is still lost on me.
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Originally posted by Conan71
Sorry not an SHCC member if you are referring to that clan- wouldn't have a clue.
If you are referring to the CIA/governor/president Bushes the joke is still lost on me.
yes....an ironic joke.
A play on words....
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Originally posted by Floyd
What Southern Hills needs to do is become a regular stop on the Tour. In April.
Great idea but from having done a couple of courses... no Bermuda is ready for tournament play that early in Oklahoma and the greens would likely be iffy too.
Please get us a Ryder Cup... October here we come!
My sister and brother n law were and may
still be members, I don't keep up with it
that much. I do know a few other members.
It is always a very busy time for those
folks during the major golf games. I
don't speak golf much, so it is not a
hot topic to me. LOL
I used to really enjoy hanging out at
the pool there and ordering cheeseburgers
and fries when we were in Jr High. The
club always had a really nice fireworks
display every 4th of July. We always laid
on our backs on the mowed grass in front of
the Club House and watched the display,
that was my other most favorite time there
when I was in college.
We hung out with the Bernards, Cecil Canary's daughter's kids. Cecil was one
of the pioneers that helped form the
Club. We would ride our motorcycles
aound and stop to swim at Randy Wheeler's
house. His dad built the Camelot Inn, Mansion House and University Club Towers.
Randy had a monkey and he would tease
around with it. Damnit Randy became his
nick name. Our rock band practiced at
Geoff Bond's parents home, Ridge and Maxine's Bond's home near Evanston Circle. Linda lived
at the end of the block, and would have
Leon Russell and Ronnie Dunn and Clapton
and others having jam sessions there quite often.
Her husband, and her were the victims of a brutal attack one evening while leaving
their business. Linda's husband was shot
to death during the robbery, and Linda
suffered some injuries. Emily Smith,
Jamie Oldaker and Dicky Sims,
Lou and Sam Routh, Dick Gordon and
others were around on occasion then. Other
than the attack on the Freemans and the
loss of her husband, those were some very
fun times.
I recall another major golf event being
held at SHCC when I was in Jr. High at
Nimitz. Seemed to of been around 1964-1966 ear. It was during school time because
we had passes to attend. School then
began after Labor Day around September 9th
and was out prior to Memorial Day so it
could of been and seems like it was in September. School schedules made much
more sense then as it allowed families to
have two summer vacation times together.
This starting in the middle of August never made much sense to me, glad I was a kid
then and not now. I remember some
ossilating fan that hit you for about
5 seconds every minute or so in school. LOL
Maybe we could just hold our Tulsa PGA tournament in another city and call it the Southern Hills PGA Championship at Portland, Oregon. Or maybe we can ask these guys for advice on a name:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Beach_Armada_of_Los_Angeles_of_California_of_the_United_States_of_North_America_Including_Barrow,_Alaska
Here is a story of how the club was formed.
http://www.gtrnews.com/greater-tulsa-reporter/2009/southern-hills-awaits-golfing-greats
Interesting article about the 1977 U.S. Open at Southern Hills.
Green Recalls Life-And-Death 1977 Win (//%22http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/08/12/ap4011349.html%22)
Imagine if that would have happened today!
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Originally posted by Vision 2025
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Originally posted by Floyd
What Southern Hills needs to do is become a regular stop on the Tour. In April.
Great idea but from having done a couple of courses... no Bermuda is ready for tournament play that early in Oklahoma and the greens would likely be iffy too.
Please get us a Ryder Cup... October here we come!
Isn't the Ryder Cup the only PGA "major" that could come to SHCC in Tulsa but has not? I would love to see that one here too, although I understand it is already committed to other courses until about 2018 or 2020. I am not a golfer or a big fan for that matter, but these types of events are wonderful for Tulsa.
I think the PGA knew exactly what it was doing when they picked SHCC/Tulsa for this year's championship. Of course August in Tulsa is going to be very hot. Pro golfers that claim to be "athletes" had a good opportunity to prove it this year at SHCC with the weather conditions and precision play the course demands. The PGA will be back there some day for sure.