Can anyone give me specifics about North Tulsa? I know it's bad but in what way? Gangs? Crime? What about racial problems? Also, I've heard there is a church there called the North Lewis Pentecostal Church...has anyone seen it or been to it? Is it in a very bad area? Are there other churches or businesses nearby?
You talking about living in North Tulsa, visiting North Tulsa, or just driving through North Tulsa? "Safe" is kind of relative, if you're looking for a meth hook up, it may be more "safe" to get your goods in South Tulsa. If you're going to church, you're not likely to have a problem.
I'd be selective about where I'd live in N Tulsa if I chose to live there. Parts of it are run down, void of economy. Other parts are nice, doing well. It's not all the same "anywhere you go" in North Tulsa.
I suggest you do a crime map at http://www.tulsapolice.org/mapcentral.html for an idea of "safe" and "dangerous" areas in Tulsa. Though a lot of crime goes unreported in any city, it's a fair estimation.
Just look out for drunk, angry white men carrying AK-47s. [V]
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Just look out for drunk, angry white men carrying AK-47s. [V]
Yeah, north tulsa's full of 'em![;)]
It's a dangerous area. It's best to just stay away. Very high crime and drug gangs in the area.[xx(]
Thank you for your help! I am not planning to live in the area but I am still interested in the church that is there...does anyone know of it? Can you tell me anything about it?
Tahnk you!
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Originally posted by LittleLamb
Thank you for your help! I am not planning to live in the area but I am still interested in the church that is there...does anyone know of it? Can you tell me anything about it?
Tahnk you!
Too many to guess which one it is. Can you be more specific?
I think the church you wrote of is pretty far north, located in the 4300 block of North Lewis, but I don't see having any problems going to church on a Sunday morning. There are a lot of other similar churches located around town, too, if you don't want to drive that far.
As a former resident of North Tulsa (past 10 years) I can tell you that parts of it are less dangerous than some of South Tulsa and some parts of North Tulsa are more dangerous. I felt safe and secure living there and the housing is affordable, or at least more affordable than south of I-244.
Woops. Sorry for not reading your OP thoroughly!
You're perfectly fine during daylight hours. I went to school in the area for seven years. Don't let the area's reputation keep you away.
Considering that Main street and Admiral divide the city of Tulsa in the center of the grid of addresses, not understanding how the 4300 block is far north. Same as the 4300 block being far south on the South side of Tulsa.
I can say that I own a home which is only 4 miles northwest of downtown Tulsa. Cox Cable informed me I could not have cable at my house because it was too far from the City??? Their second reason after making a physical call to determine where my address actually was, then they said they could not service that area as it was in a "high crime area" ??? Even though we all live at the end of a mile long private road that now is gated.
My home and my four neighbors homes are valued at over $150,000. They all sit on 8 or more wooded acres, I have 42 Oak Trees on my lot. We are outside of the Tulsa City Limits and one was built the same year as the call to Cox Cable at a total cost of $210,000. I understand that is not much in today's standards, but that was 10 years ago.
ONG was another problem, they cut off our service to all five homes because there was theft on the line a mile from our neighborhood, and I and my four neighbors were all being billed for line loss in addition to our monthly gas bill. We all switched to Total Electric, I ran on Propane for a year prior to changing over to electric. Our homes are located on a mile long private road, on a triangle piece of property, bordered by a large creek, and forrest on two sides, and the main road on the East.
Interesting how there seems to be a precieved image of specific areas of Tulsa that typically are not what is actually there. Gilcrease Hills for instance is in North Tulsa, and associaciated with surrounding neighborhoods in the area unfortunalty.
Crime seems to be everywhere in Tulsa even at my sisters, and friends homes in Southern Hills and in south Tulsa. No where seems to be exempt from crime today.
Considering 56th St. North is Turley and not Tulsa, I consider 43rd St. North far north Tulsa.
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Originally posted by LittleLamb
Can anyone give me specifics about North Tulsa? I know it's bad but in what way? Gangs? Crime? What about racial problems? Also, I've heard there is a church there called the North Lewis Pentecostal Church...has anyone seen it or been to it? Is it in a very bad area? Are there other churches or businesses nearby?
Gangs? Check
Crime? Check
What about racial problems? Check
Welcome to Anytown, USA.
Write a list of all the businesses, venues, churches and restaurants that are located North of Admrial up to the northern Tulsa City Limits.
Guess if one looks at the Tulsa City Limits map, Tulsa is a fairly small town.
http://www.lancasterpark.org/documents/maps/Tulsa_MetroAreaMap_200501.jpg
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Crime seems to be everywhere in Tulsa even at my sisters, and friends homes in Southern Hills and in south Tulsa. No where seems to be exempt from crime today.
If there's two places in Tulsa you can be sure to find crime, it's North Tulsa, and between 61 and 71st between Peoria and Riverside. The rest of Tulsa is pretty much bereft of violent crime, especially murder, unless I've missed some news reports lately.
But I do feel your pain. Waymon Tisdale's house (or former house) is a prime example. Huge, beautiful house in North west Tulsa. Very atypical for the area...
Sure there's crime on North Tulsa, but, it's not so dangerous you can't go there. Tulsa's "bad side" of town is completely tame compared to the "ghetto" areas of cities like St. Louis, Dallas, or KC. I've somehow been lost in the wrong areas of all 3, and that can be unnerving, even in broad daylight.
Besides, if you stay away completely, you'll never get to enjoy Stutt's BBQ (Apache $ Harvard)and until recently, Wilson's BBQ (they just opened a new location on 11th, though I've been eating at the Apache and Peoria location for a decade). They've got some of the best food in town.
Don't be afraid of the North side, there are thousands of hard working and upstanding citizens and neighbors. I feel many people misjudge the area because most of the residents are black. Is that the racial problem you were asking about? If so, they didn't create that, that started a bit further south, and it comes from ignorance and fear.
If you are interested in that church, then go there Sunday morning, I am sure they will welcome you with open arms.
Run the Tulsapolice.org Crime Map and try to find any square block in Tulsa that has not had a crime commited on it in this past year. Most are personal assaults, auto thefts, car break ins and burglaries.
javascript:void openMap('http://public.tulsapolice.org/website/PublicCrime/')
CURRENT TULSA MAP
javascript:void%20openMap('http://public.tulsapolice.org/website/PublicCrime2005/')
2005 TULSA MAP
Hard to find anywhere on land in Tulsa, that does not have a dot lit up on that map.
By looking at those layers and maps online, you will soon notice that only a very very small percentage of crimes are reported by the news media.
The Blue Stars indicate a crime that has been commited at that address in the past 12 months time. Not sure how or if you can combine maps from more than one 12 month time period on top of one another.
11TH And Sheridan
http://public.tulsapolice.org/website/PublicCrime/images/pixel.gif
1100 N Sheridan
http://public.tulsapolice.org/website/PublicCrime/images/pixel.gif
71st And Memorial
http://public.tulsapolice.org/website/PublicCrime/images/pixel.gif
41st and Garnett
http://public.tulsapolice.org/website/PublicCrime/images/pixel.gif
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The Blue Stars indicate a crime that has been commited at that address in the past 12 months time. Not sure how or if you can combine maps from more than one 12 month time period on top of one another.
11TH And Sheridan
http://public.tulsapolice.org/website/PublicCrime/images/pixel.gif
1100 N Sheridan
http://public.tulsapolice.org/website/PublicCrime/images/pixel.gif
71st And Memorial
http://public.tulsapolice.org/website/PublicCrime/images/pixel.gif
41st and Garnett
http://public.tulsapolice.org/website/PublicCrime/images/pixel.gif
Wrong links :)
If you are doing a Tulsa crime map with all crimes turned on, virtually every neighborhood is COVERED in dots. To make it a little more in tune with the feeling of "safety", you should just show a map with homicides, robberies, and sex assaults, IMO. Petty theft and vandalism happens all the time, everywhere, and map is covered in it.
Just ran the burgulary maps. Not many streets in Tulsa have less than a half dozen.
Ran the Felony Assualt near 41st and Garnett down to 71st and over to 145th back to Memorial. Map lites up like a Christmas Tree.
Once you have chosen one or more listings, you can use the hand tool to pan around town, or shirnk the view to see all the areas at a glance.
Just ran Felony Assault near 41st and Lewis, still cannot locate a square mile that does not light up with muitiple indicators. Weapon of choice is listed if you use the lasso tool to view specific addresses indicated by the dots.
How do you copy past the current map you are viewing in another post so others can view it without going through the intensive training learning curve to operate the map?
If North Tulsa worries any of you, may I suggest you do not stop in Coweta after dark. And if you would happen to stumble into Red Fork after dark.....oh my, may the Good Lord have mercy upon you! [:O]
The crime map is generated by a program, it is not an image you can just right click, save as... or copy.
You'd have to take a screen cap (the print screen button copys a screen cap to your clipboard) then paste it into a paint program. Then you'd have to crop out everything but the map so we don't have to look at your desktop and e-trade account. Then you'd have to save it as a gif or jpg. Then you'd have to host it on a server like imageshack or photobucket. Then you could link the image here.
Pretty simple?
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Originally posted by Porky
If North Tulsa worries any of you, may I suggest you do not stop in Coweta after dark. And if you would happen to stumble into Red Fork after dark.....oh my, may the Good Lord have mercy upon you! [:O]
People are getting shot on a nightly basis in North Tulsa right now. That is not happening in West Tulsa (except for that girl that was killed at the section 8 projects at 61st and Union a month or two ago) - Red Fork is a few miles and highway divides away though.
All of the shootings in North Tulsa seem to be a specific type of person shooting others of the same description. Does that mean your average joe could take a walk on foot through some of those fine neighborhoods at 2am? I'm not so sure. It might just mean that everyone except for that certain description STAYS AWAY from that area, especially at night.
Also, in the defense of North Tulsa, most of the shootings are happening in a small area, around 56th st. North between Peoria and Cincinnati (approx, but that general 'hood.) To label everything North of Admiral as "North Tulsa", and then subsequently say "North Tulsa is a very bad, unsafe place" is an incorrect description of 70-80% of those places that happen to fall into "North of Admiral".
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Originally posted by tulsascoot
Sure there's crime on North Tulsa, but, it's not so dangerous you can't go there. Tulsa's "bad side" of town is completely tame compared to the "ghetto" areas of cities like St. Louis, Dallas, or KC. I've somehow been lost in the wrong areas of all 3, and that can be unnerving, even in broad daylight.
Where in KC did you get lost? I lived up there for 2 years and there were no parts of town that I felt terribly unsafe in during the day.
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Originally posted by bugo
Where in KC did you get lost? I lived up there for 2 years and there were no parts of town that I felt terribly unsafe in during the day.
Probably the Bannister Mall. That's the only area I felt unsafe in when I lived in Kansas City.
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Originally posted by Porky
If North Tulsa worries any of you, may I suggest you do not stop in Coweta after dark. And if you would happen to stumble into Red Fork after dark.....oh my, may the Good Lord have mercy upon you! [:O]
People are getting shot on a nightly basis in North Tulsa right now. That is not happening in West Tulsa (except for that girl that was killed at the section 8 projects at 61st and Union a month or two ago) - Red Fork is a few miles and highway divides away though.
All of the shootings in North Tulsa seem to be a specific type of person shooting others of the same description. Does that mean your average joe could take a walk on foot through some of those fine neighborhoods at 2am? I'm not so sure. It might just mean that everyone except for that certain description STAYS AWAY from that area, especially at night.
Also, in the defense of North Tulsa, most of the shootings are happening in a small area, around 56th st. North between Peoria and Cincinnati (approx, but that general 'hood.) To label everything North of Admiral as "North Tulsa", and then subsequently say "North Tulsa is a very bad, unsafe place" is an incorrect description of 70-80% of those places that happen to fall into "North of Admiral".
I go to North Tulsa all the time and it's a wonderful community. Obviously they have a problem area but it's small, compared to the rest of their community.
If our Mayor and Chief of Police would address the gang/drug problem, that small area wouldn't be an issue either.
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Originally posted by tulsascoot
Sure there's crime on North Tulsa, but, it's not so dangerous you can't go there. Tulsa's "bad side" of town is completely tame compared to the "ghetto" areas of cities like St. Louis, Dallas, or KC. I've somehow been lost in the wrong areas of all 3, and that can be unnerving, even in broad daylight.
Where in KC did you get lost? I lived up there for 2 years and there were no parts of town that I felt terribly unsafe in during the day.
I lived in KCK for 6 months 20 years ago. The old neighborhood I lived in between State and Parallel and about 63rd is pretty rough now.
Back then, you avoided old Hwy 71 near downtown KCMO. 29th & Prospect was so rough, HBO did a series on the crime there about 10 years ago. 29th & Prospect made 56th N. and Cincinatti in Tulsa look like Mr. Roger's neighborhood.
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Originally posted by bugo
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Originally posted by tulsascoot
Sure there's crime on North Tulsa, but, it's not so dangerous you can't go there. Tulsa's "bad side" of town is completely tame compared to the "ghetto" areas of cities like St. Louis, Dallas, or KC. I've somehow been lost in the wrong areas of all 3, and that can be unnerving, even in broad daylight.
Where in KC did you get lost? I lived up there for 2 years and there were no parts of town that I felt terribly unsafe in during the day.
I lived in KCK for 6 months 20 years ago. The old neighborhood I lived in between State and Parallel and about 63rd is pretty rough now.
Back then, you avoided old Hwy 71 near downtown KCMO. 29th & Prospect was so rough, HBO did a series on the crime there about 10 years ago. 29th & Prospect made 56th N. and Cincinatti in Tulsa look like Mr. Roger's neighborhood.
Back in the mid-seventies I suffered through a divorce. Sold everything and bought a beautiful pearl gray 'vette. When I went north on 35 to visit my girlfriend had to pass through KC and missed the 635 exit. Travelled through miles and miles of what looked like a NYC ghetto. With my disco clothes, styled hair, and open t-top vette I was a bit nervous. No one bothered me but I did get the stink eye from a lot of nasty looking characters.
(As said to the gentleman in the 'vette at a stoplight along rte 71 in KCMO- loosely borrowed from a Cheech & Chong routine)
"Hey Waterboy! You wanna buy a watch?"
"Why would I want to buy a watch?"
"Well I got it figured this way. You ain't got no watch."
"Why do you think I don't have a watch?"
"Well if you had a watch, you'd know it's night time and night time ain't no time to be in this here neighborhood."
[8D]
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Originally posted by Porky
I go to North Tulsa all the time and it's a wonderful community. Obviously they have a problem area but it's small, compared to the rest of their community.
If our Mayor and Chief of Police would address the gang/drug problem, that small area wouldn't be an issue either.
How bout a little honest here folks. The numbers don't lie. Though you may feel that certain parts of the northside are safe (and they may be during the day). To say that the crime is small compared to the rest of the community is just false. If compared to the rest of Tulsa, the northside has exponentially greater crime per square mile. Anecdotal evidence takes second place to actual statistical data in this case.
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Originally posted by Porky
I go to North Tulsa all the time and it's a wonderful community. Obviously they have a problem area but it's small, compared to the rest of their community.
If our Mayor and Chief of Police would address the gang/drug problem, that small area wouldn't be an issue either.
How bout a little honest here folks. The numbers don't lie. Though you may feel that certain parts of the northside are safe (and they may be during the day). To say that the crime is small compared to the rest of the community is just false. If compared to the rest of Tulsa, the northside has exponentially greater crime per square mile. Anecdotal evidence takes second place to actual statistical data in this case.
Yes, crime is higher in North Tulsa than in the rest of the city. No, this does not make the whole of North Tulsa a war zone. The specific part of Lewis on which the church is located has the same amount of danger on a Sunday morning, or weekday afternoon for that matter, as any other area of the city. Which is to say, none.
The one caveat is, don't go strolling through the back neighborhood at 1 am with a full wallet.
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Originally posted by Porky
And if you would happen to stumble into Red Fork after dark.....oh my, may the Good Lord have mercy upon you! [:O]
Care to elaborate?
Man, I'm sick of this perception of the westside -- Red Fork, Carbondale, Hill Haven. It's simply not reality. Crime is EXTREMELY low in these areas. Pull up the crime map and see how many dots are on the Westside and compare it to EVERYWHERE else, then try to convince people how scaaaary it is. Whatever.
Most of the crime referred to here is Black on Black. I checked out statistics a while ago and mid-town actually had more property crimes, like break ins.
I'm a bourgeois older gay White man. I live grew up in South Tulsa but I now live in North Tulsa by choice. We have wonderful old neighborhoods (Brady Heights, Owen Park, Gilcrease Hills, and Reservoir Hill) and I think the quality of life is much better in North Tulsa. I enjoy living in a racially and economically diverse neighborhood.
You get a whole lot more home for your money in North Tulsa and we have nice big lots. We are close to downtown jobs and I never get stuck in traffic. The Tulsa Country Club is there if you enjoy playing golf or swimming.
I feel safe in North Tulsa. But I should qualify that statement by saying I don't spend a lot of time outside after dark and I avoid businesses that look rundown. And we have good security on our home.
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I think the quality of life is much better in North Tulsa.
Could you elaborate on this please?
There's some pretty bad areas in just about every major city- Areas that you would not want to drive thru at night without driving an armored hummer some parts of Detroit are so bad cops and emergency personel avoid the area. BTW a good way to check out a neighborhood before you move there or buy a home there is to drive thru that neighborhood on a Friday & Saturday night and see who's out on the streets and what's going down. Friday night is when you can tell exactly what kind of materal a neighborhood is made out of, and the type of people in the area. A real estate agent told me this trick. if it looks bad, don't move there.
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Originally posted by iplaw
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I think the quality of life is much better in North Tulsa.
Could you elaborate on this please?
Well we never sit in traffic. My commute to work takes 10 minutes. My neighborhood feels like Maple Ridge but it is more hilly and the lots are larger. Within a week of moving in all of our immediate neighbors had come by to introduce themselves. My neighborhood has an annual picnic and an annual Christmas party, both well attended. After two years I know just about everyone in my neighborhood.
The architecture is a mix of Craftsman, Historic Revival and mint condition Ranch homes with a spattering of Contemporary.
North Tulsa was built during the city beautiful movement. Our neighborhoods are laid out better. We don't have excessive signage and endless asphalt parking lots. We don't have strip malls at every turn.
My partner and I have spent most of our lives living in areas with an international mix of peoples and cultures. North Tulsa is not international but our racial diversity brings us pretty close. The Black families in my neighborhood are successful business owners. The wonderful restaurants of the Latin neighborhood around Lewis are close. If I run out of engraved stationary it's a quick 10 drive to Miss Jackson's at Utica Square. The Utica Park Clinic at Hillcrest feels like healthcare used to feel back in the day.
North Tulsa has a preponderance of Democrats, something that is important to me. And if I need the police, they are very responsive.
There are days when I'm not happy with Tulsa, but I am always happy with my home and my neighborhood and neighbors. The neighbor to the east owns an oil company and the neighbor to the west is a librarian. To the north we have an artist and a curator. To the south we have an American Airlines mechanic.
I could go on about the peacocks that roam the neighborhood, the bunnies and foxes and cardinals and Martins and lady bugs that populate our yards but I don't want to try your patience.
I've lived all over the place and North Tulsa ranks very high on my list. In other words it gets the much coveted Hometown stamp of approval.
Thanks for the explaination, and you're neighborhood sounds like a beautiful place to live. Not to sound cynical (but I am a lawyer), there are very few locations on the northside that have the kind of character of which you speak. I've lived in Tulsa my entire life and been all over the northside as some family members of mine used to live in Dawson. The picture you paint is awfuly nice, but more the exception than the rule...at least IMO.
What kind of quality of life is it when you can't go out into your community after dark though?
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North Tulsa has a preponderance of Democrats, something that is important to me.
That doesn't sound like a very "diverse" type of statement to me...[;)]
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Originally posted by iplaw
Thanks for the explaination, and you're neighborhood sounds like a beautiful place to live. Not to sound cynical (but I am a lawyer), there are very few locations on the northside that have the kind of character of which you speak. I've lived in Tulsa my entire life and been all over the northside as some family members of mine used to live in Dawson. The picture you paint is awfuly nice, but more the exception than the rule...at least IMO.
What kind of quality of life is it when you can't go out into your community after dark though?
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North Tulsa has a preponderance of Democrats, something that is important to me.
That doesn't sound like a very "diverse" type of statement to me...[;)]
I'm older Iplaw and didn't go out a lot at night in San Franscisco or Oakland. But honestly, I think you need to be careful going out at night no matter where you live.
We have several attorneys in the neighborhood. In fact one newcomer is an IP attorney. The last home sold went for over $325,000.
Brady Heights, Owen Park, Reservoir Hill and Gilcrease Hills are all diverse and very nice neighborhoods. I forgot to mention we have the best public high school in Tulsa and there are some very fine public elementary and middle schools. There are also nice private schools nearby.
Don't worry iplaw. You republicans can still live and enjoy great places like north Tulsa.
Oh, I forgot. The republican party is the group that plays upon our fears.
Just kidding.
I work in North Tulsa. It is certainly, by and large, a ghetto. The area near Gilcrease is very nice and very much the exception. There are probably enclaves I do not know about, but most of it is run down, dirty, and poor. They may be mostly democrat, but the smart money is on low voter turnout.
During the day I do not feel threatened at all. There are a few areas I would not want to walk around in, but certainly driving through or going to a destination shouldnt be a problem. At night, I would drive by on the major roads but would not consider stopping at the public parks.
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Brady Heights, Owen Park, Reservoir Hill and Gilcrease Hills are all diverse and very nice neighborhoods.
Again, these areas are very much in stark contrast to the rest of the northside. It's like living in South Africa where there are pockets of affluence surrounded abject poverty, obviously not to the same degree, but nevertheless analogous. You say it's great because you're pointing to what's clean and safe while ignoring what's going on all around, but I could be wrong...
There are pockets of shanties that were built poor, I think mostly between Lewis and Utica. The neighborhoods further west beginning before Cincinatti and continuing past Gilcrease were originally built as first class White neighborhoods that became Black with White Flight in the 50s and 60s. That area is still mostly well maintained. Overall Tulsa's Black community strikes me as mostly middle class. Always has. I don't know about North of Apache. I hear there are neighborhoods that are kind of tucked away there. I feel quite comfortable when I'm walking or driving around the flat lands. Until recently, I bought my groceries at Albertson's at Pine and Peoria. In fact I preferred it to the Albertson's at 15th and Lewis.
I know the area you you live by the way you described the houses, HT.
My wife lived the last two years of high school between 244 and Pine on Denver (Brady Heights), back when that area was still very rough and the hookers called Main & Haskell (and surrounding blocks) home turf. She worked at the Williams Center forum and walked home from work after dark every night.
She's not a big gal, but she said if anyone started to talk to her or cat-call she would shoot a dirty look and keep walking. No one messed with her. She said it's all in the attitude. I believe her. [;)]
It did take some fearless property owners with money to help turn that area around. Well, the city bulldozing some of the worst blight didn't hurt either.
Hometown's take is interesting. It's a lot like many Midwestern cities where I've lived, especially Chicago, in which you could go from really nice residential areas to outright blight in just a few blocks.
Those sorts of jarring juxtapositions seemed commonplace.
So I guess I don't find Hometown's utopia, close to a crime-ridden area, to be all that unusual. That's why it's unwise to use sweeping generalities when describing a large urban area.
I partially agree, but when the news comes on tonight or tomorrow night and tells us that X person has been shot and killed, the overwhelming odds are that the word "North" will be somewhere in the address.
KTUL must really have something against North Tulsa:
Suspects Sought After Home Invasion, Shooting
Monday July 23, 2007 7:37am Posted By: Kevin King
Tulsa - Tulsa police are searching for suspects after an overnight home invasion that resulted in a homeowner being shot at.
Tulsa police say they haven't seen a home invasion like this one in quite some time. It happened just after one o'clock Monday morning in the 46-hundred block of North Elgin.
Police say the two suspects broke into the home through a back door when the woman living there heard the burglars and came out of her room.
When the suspects saw her, they shot at her twice, missing her only by about a foot.
Two Youngsters Dead, A Third Injured In Shooting Sunday Morning
Sunday July 22, 2007 5:42pm Reporter: Burt Mummolo Posted By: Kevin King
Tulsa - Two young Tulsans are dead and a third is critically injured following an early morning shooting in the 19-hundred block of North Lewis. And, two of the victims are only twelve years old.
Suspects Sought In Early Morning Drive-By Shooting
Thursday July 19, 2007 10:24am Posted By: Kevin King
Tulsa - Tulsa police are investigating after a drive-by shooting that happened early Thursday morning in the 24-hundred block of North Boston Place.
Teen Injured In Sunday Afternoon Shooting
Sunday July 15, 2007 6:01pm Posted By: Kevin King
Tulsa - Police are investigating a drive-by shooting that left one man hospitalized Sunday afternoon.
It happened at about 2:30 p.m. Sunday in the 54-hundred block of North Frankfort Avenue. Police arrived to find the victim lying in the road, suffering from three gunshot wounds.
Two Injured In Pair Of Overnight Shootings
Wednesday July 11, 2007 8:17am Posted By: Kevin King
Tulsa - Two men are recovering after a pair of overnight shootings that may have been connected.
The first happened just before midnight at a car wash near Cincinnati and 46th Street North. The victim showed up at OSU Medical Center with a gunshot wound to the leg.
He said he had been hanging out with friends when someone walked up and began shooting. The man was hit once. A car nearby also was struck by the gunfire.
The victim of the other shooting showed up at Hillcrest Medical Center around midnight. He, too, had a gunshot wound to the leg, but would not tell police any details about the incident.
Man Shot In The Leg Overnight
Tuesday July 10, 2007 7:52am Posted By: Kevin King
Tulsa - A man was hospitalized overnight after he was shot in the leg outside a north Tulsa smoke shop.
Police say the victim told them he was with a group of people when someone drove by and fired shots. The victim went to a nearby car and asked to be driven to the hospital.
Two Boys Injured In 4th Of July Shooting
Thursday July 05, 2007 7:15am Posted By: Kevin King
Tulsa - A Fourth of July party turned scary Wednesday night after two young boys were shot while celebrating.
The boys, ages 11 and 15, were hanging out near 54-hundred North Frankfort, when shots rang out. Investigators say those around the boys didn't realize they had been shot because of the popping fireworks.
Both boys were hit in the leg. Police aren't sure if they were simply hit by stray bullets or were actually the targets of the shooters.
Teens Injured In Drive-By Shooting
Wednesday July 04, 2007 8:16am Posted By: Kevin King
Tulsa - Two teenagers continue to recover after they were shot Tuesday evening.
The shooting happened around 8:30 p.m. Tuesday night in the 26-hundred block of North Yale. One teen was shot in the back, the other in the right leg. They were taken to Tulsa hospitals. Their conditions are not known.
The teens told police they were driving along Yale when they noticed a white SUV following them.
Shots Fired Into Home Overnight
Tuesday June 26, 2007 7:21am Posted By: Kevin King
Tulsa - Police are investigating after nearly a dozen shots were fired into a home in the five-hundred block of East 42nd Street North overnight.
Man Arrested After Fatal Shooting
Saturday June 23, 2007 11:19am Reporter: Jerry Giordano Posted By: Kevin King
Tulsa - One man is dead following a shooting in a north Tulsa neighborhood.
It happened shortly before eight o'clock Friday night in the 22-hundred block of North Main, usually a very quiet neighborhood.
Witnesses reported hearing several gunshots at about 7:30 p.m. Apparently a man and woman were having a conversation in the street when police say the woman's ex-boyfriend drove up in a white Suburban.
The two men then began fighting and the fighting quickly escalated to gunfire.
Police Question Man After Overnight Shooting
Thursday June 21, 2007 8:19am Posted By: Kevin King
Tulsa - A suspect is in custody for questioning after an early morning shooting.
It happened in the 200 block of East 51st Place North around midnight. Officers said someone drove by a home and opened fire.
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Originally posted by bugo
Where in KC did you get lost? I lived up there for 2 years and there were no parts of town that I felt terribly unsafe in during the day.
Probably the Bannister Mall. That's the only area I felt unsafe in when I lived in Kansas City.
I lived about 1/2 mile from Bannister Mall. It isn't the best part of town, but I never had any problems except for my car getting broken into, which can happen anywhere. I was always especially alert of my surroundings when I went out, but I never felt scared.
I think the area around Reservoir Hill is one of the most beautiful areas in Tulsa. Has many of the same style and size of homes as Mapleridge but perched on a hillside with huge old trees, mossy stone walls and windy roads. I really like the old Italian/Spanish style homes that are there. And wow, what a view of downtown some of them have. The character and feel of the area is so different than other parts of Tulsa. Almost like some of those nicer hilly areas around KC. Has a more Northern and Eastern feel to it.
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Originally posted by bugo
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Originally posted by Porky
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Originally posted by bugo
Where in KC did you get lost? I lived up there for 2 years and there were no parts of town that I felt terribly unsafe in during the day.
Probably the Bannister Mall. That's the only area I felt unsafe in when I lived in Kansas City.
I lived about 1/2 mile from Bannister Mall. It isn't the best part of town, but I never had any problems except for my car getting broken into, which can happen anywhere. I was always especially alert of my surroundings when I went out, but I never felt scared.
Yeah right, give me a break.
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Originally posted by Porky
And if you would happen to stumble into Red Fork after dark.....oh my, may the Good Lord have mercy upon you! [:O]
Care to elaborate?
Man, I'm sick of this perception of the westside -- Red Fork, Carbondale, Hill Haven. It's simply not reality. Crime is EXTREMELY low in these areas. Pull up the crime map and see how many dots are on the Westside and compare it to EVERYWHERE else, then try to convince people how scaaaary it is. Whatever.
That's my point Tulsa Mini, the crime in North Tulsa isn't any different than anywhere else, except for a small portion of the North Side area.
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Originally posted by Floyd
Yes, crime is higher in North Tulsa than in the rest of the city. No, this does not make the whole of North Tulsa a war zone. The specific part of Lewis on which the church is located has the same amount of danger on a Sunday morning, or weekday afternoon for that matter, as any other area of the city. Which is to say, none.
The one caveat is, don't go strolling through the back neighborhood at 1 am with a full wallet.
Exactly, well said Floyd. [^]
I dont understand why so many are so concerned about being in or travelling thru North Tulsa. As a former resident of the area and a current citizen of Phoenix, i have to say you guys have it really easy in Tulsa. What some of you consider "ghetto" or blight is very very mild compared to other metropolitan areas (including Phoenix). Seems to me that much of the violence pointed out in North Tulsa is gang-related and the string of violence in July may perhaps be retaliatory in nature (one good shooting deserved another by thug logic). So i wouldnt call it random violence-- criminals just arent out to "off" any unsuspecting citizen. Its just not that way.
My wife (Phoenix born and raised) stated on her trips with me to Tulsa, of how quiet it seemed and how our "ghettos" where "nice" (you should visit Phoenix's 24th & Broadway or the Rosier street areas). We've always lodged with family on 51st street North between Hartford and Peoria when we visit.
Anyways, youre more likely to get robbed by a congressman/politician than by a North Tulsa criminal..........and thats the truth.
North Tulsa "aint" as bad as some of you all make her out to be.
Tulsa Twister is correct.
Having lived near a bunch of Rust Belt cities, I can attest that the "ghettos" of Chicago, Milwaukee, Peoria and St. Louis would make a so-called Tulsa gangsta wet his pants.
(Rico has concurred with my assertion.)
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Originally posted by Porky
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Originally posted by bugo
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Originally posted by Porky
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Originally posted by bugo
Where in KC did you get lost? I lived up there for 2 years and there were no parts of town that I felt terribly unsafe in during the day.
Probably the Bannister Mall. That's the only area I felt unsafe in when I lived in Kansas City.
I lived about 1/2 mile from Bannister Mall. It isn't the best part of town, but I never had any problems except for my car getting broken into, which can happen anywhere. I was always especially alert of my surroundings when I went out, but I never felt scared.
Yeah right, give me a break.
I'm serious. As I said, I always watched my back, but I never felt threatened and nobody ever approached me or anything.
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Originally posted by Porky
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Originally posted by TulsaMINI
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Originally posted by Porky
And if you would happen to stumble into Red Fork after dark.....oh my, may the Good Lord have mercy upon you! [:O]
Care to elaborate?
Man, I'm sick of this perception of the westside -- Red Fork, Carbondale, Hill Haven. It's simply not reality. Crime is EXTREMELY low in these areas. Pull up the crime map and see how many dots are on the Westside and compare it to EVERYWHERE else, then try to convince people how scaaaary it is. Whatever.
That's my point Tulsa Mini, the crime in North Tulsa isn't any different than anywhere else, except for a small portion of the North Side area.
Well quit getting me riled up by picking on Red Fork!! (http://members.cox.net/tulsamini/smilies/haha.gif)
Perhaps your point would have been better made if you had said, oh, maybe "stumble into Southern Hills after dark".
Talk about blight- The city of Detroit is really bad, maybe even beyond hope. It looks like a war zone. it's unsafe to even drive thru it, if you get a flat tire your in a bad way. Detroit has to be by-passed on the I-275 loop up to I-696. Driving thru Dertoit on I-75 is a death wish. I kid ya not.[xx(]
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Originally posted by Tulsa Twister
I dont understand why so many are so concerned about being in or travelling thru North Tulsa. As a former resident of the area and a current citizen of Phoenix, i have to say you guys have it really easy in Tulsa. What some of you consider "ghetto" or blight is very very mild compared to other metropolitan areas (including Phoenix). Seems to me that much of the violence pointed out in North Tulsa is gang-related and the string of violence in July may perhaps be retaliatory in nature (one good shooting deserved another by thug logic). So i wouldnt call it random violence-- criminals just arent out to "off" any unsuspecting citizen. Its just not that way.
My wife (Phoenix born and raised) stated on her trips with me to Tulsa, of how quiet it seemed and how our "ghettos" where "nice" (you should visit Phoenix's 24th & Broadway or the Rosier street areas). We've always lodged with family on 51st street North between Hartford and Peoria when we visit.
Anyways, youre more likely to get robbed by a congressman/politician than by a North Tulsa criminal..........and thats the truth.
North Tulsa "aint" as bad as some of you all make her out to be.
Are you kidding about Phoenix? It is the most ghetto free city I have ever seen. I have lived in the area you are talking about (It is spelled Roeser BTW) and it in no way is dangerous or even remotely scary, unless working class latino families scare you. There are gangs scattered about Phoenix and of course there is crime but it is hardly limited to any particular neighborhood but that is pretty much the case in all American cities, including Tulsa.
No it's not safe there is so much hatered built up there no one can get along and the drugs flow freely cause there are not enough cops to patrol and make the bust and there also needs to be reform in our courts to stop putting gang members back on the street if they are known gang members lock them up and throw away the key.
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Originally posted by TulsaMINI
Perhaps your point would have been better made if you had said, oh, maybe "stumble into Southern Hills after dark".
OK, hows this one and I truly believe it to be true! [:)]
There are more drugs floating the halls of Holland Hall and Cascia Hall every day than the schools in North Tulsa. [^]
Yeah there are drugs there all you see is crack heads in thoses schools
It really doesnt matter who's ghetto is worse than who's... what matter's is that North Tulsa has problems that only people in North Tulsa can solve. The rest of the city can help, but as long as a strong minority takes pride in living in a "ghetto" and being "thug" then it is extremely difficult to turn an area around.
Identifying the problem is the first step in trying to find a solution.
(TULSA COUNTY, Okla.) August 2 - The Tulsa County Sheriff's Office has found a way to stop thieves before they have a chance to break into your home. Thursday the Burglary Task Force targeted 56th to 76th Street North around Peoria in Turley.
Deputies were out during the middle of the day. It’s the time of day when most people think burglars aren’t doing anything because most people think burglars come out when it's dark outside. But deputies say burglars go to work when you do.
What Tulsa County Deputy Randy Chapman sees is enough to scare any homeowner. Burglaries at a time you think your home is safe: broad daylight.
“The biggest call loads are usually between 12 o'clock in the afternoon and four o'clock,� Chapman says.
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