Just wondering who thought it was a good idea to spend a lot of money on enhancements on Peoria btwn 36th and 41st. This stretch of road is seriously deteriorated. There is an old saying that you can't make crap smell good. This was an attempt to do just that. And then the decision to make these improvements was made even worse when some clown used black pavers on black asphalt. Black on black. Huh.
I guess the better idea would be to let it continue deteriorating ad infinitum?
Brilliant!
After a period of time any paver used on a street is going to turn black...Whats more concerning is where the pavers are failing on various crosswalks....As well as the new planters not being maintained and the poor crossing designs at some of the E. W. streets.....
Yes some have said exactly what you have noticed. Poor design and cheaply done. All that work and hassle just to watch it crumble soon afterwards. An area like that which is supposed to be a Tulsa showplace and has high traffic should have buried the lines when it was all torn up and should have used granite curbs and pavers.
You mean between 33rd and 36th? They also threw some crap across 41st and Peoria, but I don't recall anything of substance between 41st and 36th..
Either way, it still seems nice from my vehicle. Are you crossing that area as a pedestrian? I really don't see it as looking horrible, YET. But I would concur that if after only such a short time from the completion of construction that problems are already evident, then some sort of planning error was present. Do it right, or don't do it at all, should be something present in the city charter. When it comes to construction, you absolutely don't skimp on materials.
The pedestrian-friendly corners are to die for, but the pavers are being driven into the ground and a tar lip is rolling up where the pavers meet blacktop. Additionally, it looked like major work was done to some of the water lines.
The upgrades were overdue, but like every other thing in this blasted town . . .
The cross-walks between 32 and 36 are tearing apart. I drove over one just this weekend, and it was not pleasant. They shouldn't have crumbled so quickly.
You can imagine the heartburn of the various local businesses -- those who endured the financial brunt of the construction project.
I believe a Tulsa World article said the contractor will be repairing the crosswalks.
I wish I could stop reading the title of this thread and thinking it's a commercial for Cialis.
The neighborhood association did a lot of planting this weekend only to place illegal signs patting themselves on the back for it.
The signs really detract from their work. If I knew how to post the pics I would.
NellieBly's pictures (and finger)
(http://www.tulsanow.org/forumpics/brookside1.jpg)
(http://www.tulsanow.org/forumpics/brookside2.jpg)
(http://www.tulsanow.org/forumpics/brookside3.jpg)
That's the sexiest blurry finger I've ever seen.
Did you pull the signs up?
How is this any less obnoxious than the signs that say "Paid for with your tax dollars" or "Your tax dollars at work." Those signs were a remider to the community that the businesses and residents in the area care enough to use their own time and effort to keep the community clean and beautiful. It may remind others to do the same and spur others onto similar activities elsewhere. Pissing off the people who keep the place looking good doesn't make much sense to me.
Are these signs any uglier than dead flowerbeds and overgrown weeds...because that's exactly what you'd get if those were my signs that you pulled up.
You sign Nazis drive me nuts. Just like everything else in life, a little moderation and common sense go a long way. You guys/gals remind me of the kids in middle school who got to be hall monitors and quickly became pariahs. Too much of a good thing can be a bad thing, especially in this case.
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You sign Nazis drive me nuts.
Nobody had to drive you to nutsville, it's your permanent residence. How brilliant can a lawyer be if he's just here to condone that which is illegal?
Fall off the wagon again this weekend MichaelC?
It's not about whether it's legal or illegal to me. You could enforce every law to its letter, and it won't make the world a better place. Some laws are inherently ignorant. This happens to be a borderline law IMO, else they wouldn't have citizens inforcing it...
Sign Nazis are just middle school hall monitors reliving past glories from days long past. People who can't see the difference between 5 cent trashy signs clogging up right-of-ways and simple signs placed by citizens/businesses who have gone the extra mile to beautify an area they didn't have to spend a dime on...you do the math. A little common sense and moderation...
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Fall off the wagon again this weekend MichaelC?
Yes, but thankfully, no where near your house in Nutsville, OK.
I probably should upgrade to a Radio Flyer, or bigger wheels, or less Tequila.
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Originally posted by iplaw
Fall off the wagon again this weekend MichaelC?
Yes, but thankfully, no where near your house in Nutsville, OK.
I probably should upgrade to a Radio Flyer, or bigger wheels, or less Tequila.
I suggest the latter...a tequila hangover is the nastiest type of all.
Geez IP -- so the signs don't bother you. They bother me and a lot of other people and guess what? They are illegal. They have been creeping across the borders for years unchecked and now it's finally time to stand up and say no more! They are weakening our tax base, using precious resources and...they're illegal. What part of illegal do you not get.
It undermines their hard work as well.
BTW -- that's not my finger. My dad took them for me. I get my sign nazi-ism from him.
He gives the crape myrtles two weeks. With rain, I bet they live at least three.
I wasn't a hall monitor. I was a crossing guard.
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He gives the crape myrtles two weeks. With rain, I bet they live at least three.
It won't be the rain or no rain that kills them...it's the cars driving over them that'll end the age of myrtle.
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Originally posted by NellieBly
Geez IP -- so the signs don't bother you. They bother me and a lot of other people and guess what? They are illegal. They have been creeping across the borders for years unchecked and now it's finally time to stand up and say no more! They are weakening our tax base, using precious resources and...they're illegal. What part of illegal do you not get.
It undermines their hard work as well.
BTW -- that's not my finger. My dad took them for me. I get my sign nazi-ism from him.
He gives the crape myrtles two weeks. With rain, I bet they live at least three.
Re-read my post carefully. I agree to certain extent with you, but it's a matter of moderation for me. This is a case where the signs could have stayed with little ill effect. Completely and totally different from cheap, cluttered signs on 71st. I'm sure you see the difference between the two, or maybe you don't...
Saying it's illegal is of little value to me. There are many, many things that go on in Tulsa on a daily basis that are "illegal."
Was it worth potentially pissing off business owners that paid for the landscaping? Are you the one that we should thank should there be no flowers there next year?
I don't agree because these are cheap plastic signs with absolutely no appeal except to distract the drivers and pedestrians from the beautification efforts they worked hard on.
Speaking of cheap plastic, there is a median on 71st Street that has a granite monument in the middle saying something to the effect of "this area beautified by" BOK or BOA or whoever. Don't remember.
Is that preferable? Are you opposed to all signs, or just trashy signs?
I haven't pissed off anyone, I am pointing out the hypocrisy of their patting themselves on the back for their efforts and undermining it at the same time. I haven't pulled the signs or called anyone about them. Well, I did report it to the MAC. They are illegal and the mayor has stated she wants to fine illegal signage.
I don't mow my yard then put up signs declaring what a great citizen I am for doing such. They should be responsible for the beautification of Brookside. They do business there and it is important to them the area looks nice.
I don't hate the BOK signs on 71st, but it is nothing more than advertising and that is illegal.
I gotta agree with Nellie Bly on this one.
It is excellent that they worked so hard and the touch of garden makes the entire area better, but the signs detract from the beauty of their work.
What is the purpose of the sign except to make sure that the proper group gets credit?
And, yes...the signs are illegal. I am sure the group knows that. I just hope they take the signs down on their own after a couple of days.
I'm opposed to activities that can produce net negative effects and create bad blood between business owners doing good deeds and the city (a city that I might add which is having a particularly difficult time keeping Tulsa attractive).
If you can't see the difference in the signs they put up, from the boner meds, and cheap loan signs, then I can't help you.
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I gotta agree with Nellie Bly on this one.
It is excellent that they worked so hard and the touch of garden makes the entire area better, but the signs detract from the beauty of their work.
What is the purpose of the sign except to make sure that the proper group gets credit?
And, yes...the signs are illegal. I am sure the group knows that. I just hope they take the signs down on their own after a couple of days.
Of course you do. Didn't you start this whole troop of C.O.P.s (//%22http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093756/%22) in the first place?
I can't take credit for the sign enforcement policy changes.
Mayor Taylor and Councilor Martinson worked in a bi-partisan way to address this issue at the end of 2006. I just agreed and tried to help.
The illegal signs bother me. It is ok with me that they don't bother you, but don't attack us for trying to keep Tulsa beautiful and enforcing reasonable laws found in most cities.
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I can't take credit for the sign enforcement policy changes.
Mayor Taylor and Councilor Martinson worked in a bi-partisan way to address this issue at the end of 2006. I just agreed and tried to help.
The illegal signs bother me. It is ok with me that they don't bother you, but don't attack us for trying to keep Tulsa beautiful and enforcing reasonable laws found in most cities.
I guess we all have differing definitions of reasonable, and busting the balls of generous business owners doesn't fall within mine.
What makes them so generous? Who busted their balls? The businesses down there have a long history of maintaining the center median, sometimes better than others over the years. I am glad they did something to improve the looks, I just think they have underminded the whole thing by sticking up those stupid, poorly designed, unattractive signs. It's a waste.
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What makes them so generous?
Have you seen most of the rest of the city and the medians in front of most business around town...do they look like what you see on Brookside? That's what I mean by generous.
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Who busted their balls?
I thought this was pretty obvious from my last 5 posts in the thread.
Whatever Ippy. Read my posts. They have always kept up the median. It's one of the reasons the association was formed a long time ago. I applaud them for their efforts and just made comment on the irony of their signs. A lot of businesses keep up their property year in and year out, and they don't go out and cheer for themselves.
I guess you don't see the irony.
The essential feature of irony is the indirect presentation of a contradiction between an action or expression and the context in which it occurs.
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Originally posted by NellieBly
Whatever Ippy. Read my posts. They have always kept up the median. It's one of the reasons the association was formed a long time ago. I applaud them for their efforts and just made comment on the irony of their signs. A lot of businesses keep up their property year in and year out, and they don't go out and cheer for themselves.
I guess you don't see the irony.
The essential feature of irony is the indirect presentation of a contradiction between an action or expression and the context in which it occurs.
Yes. Thanks for the definition. Might I suggest you do some research of your own and look up the definition of diminishing returns. Your "help" is a great example it.