Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: izmophonik on June 28, 2007, 08:01:51 PM
Post by: izmophonik on June 28, 2007, 08:01:51 PM
Has anyone noticed a rise in crime around Cherry Street? More specifically the Swan Lake neighborhood and parts along Cherry Street? I've seen and heard of 5 car break-in's in the last month on my street alone on Saint Louis Ave. I'm just curious if my street just happens to be lucky this month or more thugs are actually walking from North of the B.A. past Cherry Street to cause trouble. I don't know if anyone has noticed but once you drive North of 13th Street between Peoria and Utica it gets awful shady.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: circassia on June 28, 2007, 08:34:27 PM
Post by: circassia on June 28, 2007, 08:34:27 PM
Hehe I remember when I lived in Arlington Arms and had some crazy stuff happen. I remember when I moved there was a lot of graffiti showing up, and a few cars had been vandalized on 14th St.
I never felt "unsafe" there, but on Friday nights I wished there was more of a police presence there.
I never felt "unsafe" there, but on Friday nights I wished there was more of a police presence there.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: TheArtist on June 28, 2007, 09:18:42 PM
Post by: TheArtist on June 28, 2007, 09:18:42 PM
Sounds like too many in such a short period of time to be caused by an increase in the "thug walking patterns" down your particular street. Seems like many times a thug will have luck in an area or get used to hitting an area, then will move on. But that is a lot of break ins and the cops should patrol that area more for a while. I thought part of what they were trying to do was look for patterns and mobilize accordingly. One criminal can do a lot of crimes. Watched a news article just the other day about a guy here that was jailed for burglary and other things, had a looong rap sheet of similar things from before, then got released early for some reason, then was caught just a couple days later doing the same thing. The news suggested that this type of thing goes on quite a bit. Going to jail for a few months is not a deterrent to people whose lives are a squalid, dangerous, mess anyway. Prison is just a change of scenery, hardly a deterrent that will "keep them from doing it again". Either keep them there or "rehabilitate" them. Do they make people in prison work and go to school? And if not why not?
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: Breadburner on June 28, 2007, 10:52:07 PM
Post by: Breadburner on June 28, 2007, 10:52:07 PM
Many many deadbeats on 15th the last year or so......
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: AMP on June 29, 2007, 12:48:12 AM
Post by: AMP on June 29, 2007, 12:48:12 AM
Neighbors got broken into around here last weekend. We walked the neighborhood to discover four others had the same problem, two homes and two automobiles.
Covering more area, the next block over, we discovered a large percentage of folks outside doing lawn work and sitting in lawn chairs had also experienced theft of one kind or another. Some had items stolen off their porch, others had entire cars stolen.
It was a very large percentage to me, kind of shocked me actually to learn there is that much crime being commited. Two residents have lived in their homes here for over 30 years each and tell of cycles of crime that have hit the neighborhood. One said, oh no they are at it again, as if he was describing Vampires returning or worse. Yikes !
Covering more area, the next block over, we discovered a large percentage of folks outside doing lawn work and sitting in lawn chairs had also experienced theft of one kind or another. Some had items stolen off their porch, others had entire cars stolen.
It was a very large percentage to me, kind of shocked me actually to learn there is that much crime being commited. Two residents have lived in their homes here for over 30 years each and tell of cycles of crime that have hit the neighborhood. One said, oh no they are at it again, as if he was describing Vampires returning or worse. Yikes !
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: izmophonik on June 29, 2007, 09:05:49 AM
Post by: izmophonik on June 29, 2007, 09:05:49 AM
The latest one was my own neighbor. I was doing yardwork around 4:00p.m. on a Sunday and his car alarm went off. By the time I got over there his windshield was busted and his stereo gone. Two days later on the same street, someone threw a giant rock into a window and stole what they could get. I'm halfway tempted to buy a bunch of security cameras.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: brunoflipper on June 29, 2007, 09:22:21 AM
Post by: brunoflipper on June 29, 2007, 09:22:21 AM
quote:
Originally posted by izmophonik
Has anyone noticed a rise in crime around Cherry Street? More specifically the Swan Lake neighborhood and parts along Cherry Street? I've seen and heard of 5 car break-in's in the last month on my street alone on Saint Louis Ave. I'm just curious if my street just happens to be lucky this month or more thugs are actually walking from North of the B.A. past Cherry Street to cause trouble. I don't know if anyone has noticed but once you drive North of 13th Street between Peoria and Utica it gets awful shady.
you could try and amass bogus anecdotal evidence from this forum or you could just go and check the tpd crime map ...
north of 13th has always been marginal at best...
i have not noticed any increase in crime... but the vagrants and panhandlers on and around cherry street and sobo have indeed increased in the past year... my theory is that once the liquor store (that i hated so much) across from the home depot closed, they've migrated towards the next closest liquor store... which happens to be on cherry street...
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: AMP on June 29, 2007, 12:08:15 PM
Post by: AMP on June 29, 2007, 12:08:15 PM
My neighbors, who were burglarized over this past weekend, discovered yesterday that the thieves had taken their Green City provided trash can. They found it missing, and a trash bag full of their trash sitting where it once was. Discovered it when they went to take out more trash, as today is trash pickup day.
Thieves apparently used the trashcan on wheels, to haul off the stolen goods under cover. Upon phoning the City Refuse department, they were informed that is a very common occurrence. ???
Geeze let's not inform the public of these things.... Why is the news media not reporting this kind of stuff. More involved with reporting on Paris Hilton's drunken stupor.
Sounds as if it may be a good idea to engrave and place stickers on your trash container of your contact information and Address. If found not at the address labeled, this unit has apparently been stolen, please call xxx-xxx-xxxx
City of Tulsa Refuse Department.
All that labor for a 10 year old television. Interesting someone would risk their life for a $20 television and a City owned green trash can ?
Perhaps the City needs to set up some stings in the active areas, and install lojack or those ankle location devices on the trashcans. I recall a BMW Bicycle used on the TV program Cops one time. Thieves claimed they had bought it, or that it was theirs. Only way one could legally obtain the BMW bike other than receive it as a gift or buy it from someone that originally owned a BMW, was to of purchased a special BMW on a one time promotion. I would think setting a nice modern automobile in the street at night would attract the thieves and one could take them away quietly one at at time. Like they do on TV.
Good Grief, what has this towns society come to? People stealing 10-year-old televisions and trashcans. Best Economy in 50 years? ? ?
Thieves apparently used the trashcan on wheels, to haul off the stolen goods under cover. Upon phoning the City Refuse department, they were informed that is a very common occurrence. ???
Geeze let's not inform the public of these things.... Why is the news media not reporting this kind of stuff. More involved with reporting on Paris Hilton's drunken stupor.
Sounds as if it may be a good idea to engrave and place stickers on your trash container of your contact information and Address. If found not at the address labeled, this unit has apparently been stolen, please call xxx-xxx-xxxx
City of Tulsa Refuse Department.
All that labor for a 10 year old television. Interesting someone would risk their life for a $20 television and a City owned green trash can ?
Perhaps the City needs to set up some stings in the active areas, and install lojack or those ankle location devices on the trashcans. I recall a BMW Bicycle used on the TV program Cops one time. Thieves claimed they had bought it, or that it was theirs. Only way one could legally obtain the BMW bike other than receive it as a gift or buy it from someone that originally owned a BMW, was to of purchased a special BMW on a one time promotion. I would think setting a nice modern automobile in the street at night would attract the thieves and one could take them away quietly one at at time. Like they do on TV.
Good Grief, what has this towns society come to? People stealing 10-year-old televisions and trashcans. Best Economy in 50 years? ? ?
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: mr.jaynes on June 29, 2007, 03:22:24 PM
Post by: mr.jaynes on June 29, 2007, 03:22:24 PM
15th as I remember it, was kinda trendy, but no less pleasant area. I shudder to think what it has become, after reading how it's currently described.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: TheArtist on June 29, 2007, 07:53:22 PM
Post by: TheArtist on June 29, 2007, 07:53:22 PM
15th is nice and still getting nicer. But apparently the crooks find it an easy target. I have been in my house for just over 3 years and there have been 3 car break-ins on my street. Each time the car was parked on the street not in the driveway which is something crooks look for. They can drive by, the passenger can lean out the door and bust the window, grab stuff while the driver is ready to take off in a heartbeat. The last one was just a few months ago right in front of my house. That made me nervous and I am probably going to install a camera system not just for myself but for the neighbors as well by having a couple that will catch the street. I did worry a bit that there might be a somewhat higher incidence of crime in my area being both so close to the Promenade and near all the apartments across the highway, but sounds like even a "trendy" area like Cherry Street has more problems.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: AMP on June 29, 2007, 08:45:21 PM
Post by: AMP on June 29, 2007, 08:45:21 PM
According to the crime map, it lights up like a Christmas tree in most parts of Tulsa. Not too many have less crime than others. Thieves today are mobile and the wiser ones hit the higher end areas. Seems hypes hit the low-income areas for $20 TV sets, a quick fix or whatever that would buy them.
Don't think there is an exempt area, unless in a gated community, or high rise building with constant security patrol on duty.
Still think it is time for some Sing operations to catch these thieves. Seems way too much time is spent catching internet cyber crime types which seems to be a fairly popular and easy task. I say go after the live folks breaking into people's homes, businesses and vehicles. Set up a lure, get them on a camera interview and then hauled away to court. Play them on the local TV News each and every night at 5, 6 and 10pm on the local NEWS for a few months. Should put a damper on those types of crimes, at least the neighbors will be able to identify those committing the thefts.
Of course not too many municipalities wish to arrest, prosecute and house broke dick $10 TV thieves. They don't fit into the system of making money for the Judicial Industry. No profit in them hiring a defense attorney or paying a bail bonds man, and the arrest of them does not seem to attract many votes from constituents.
(http://www.lequotidienducinema.com/modules/upload/upload/!mime/madmax6.jpg)
Yesterday I was at the O'Reilly Auto Parts store on East Admiral, left my digi cam, cell phone and charger laying on my seat, did not lock the doors. When I walked out of the parts store, there was a guy in his 20's inside my vehicle with those items in his hands. He claimed he mistook my vehicle for his, and never said he was sorry. I witnessed a man stealing a window air conditioner out of an abandoned property this morning. Dude just yanked it out of the window, put it in a shopping cart he had other items he had picked up along his trail and rolled it away as it nothing had happened. I continue to be in utter shock watching this type of thing occur. Feel like I am living in that movie set in the future, MAD MAX ROAD WARRIOR
Believe I will start taking photos of all these crimes or suspected crimes and post them online for all to see.
Don't think there is an exempt area, unless in a gated community, or high rise building with constant security patrol on duty.
Still think it is time for some Sing operations to catch these thieves. Seems way too much time is spent catching internet cyber crime types which seems to be a fairly popular and easy task. I say go after the live folks breaking into people's homes, businesses and vehicles. Set up a lure, get them on a camera interview and then hauled away to court. Play them on the local TV News each and every night at 5, 6 and 10pm on the local NEWS for a few months. Should put a damper on those types of crimes, at least the neighbors will be able to identify those committing the thefts.
Of course not too many municipalities wish to arrest, prosecute and house broke dick $10 TV thieves. They don't fit into the system of making money for the Judicial Industry. No profit in them hiring a defense attorney or paying a bail bonds man, and the arrest of them does not seem to attract many votes from constituents.
(http://www.lequotidienducinema.com/modules/upload/upload/!mime/madmax6.jpg)
Yesterday I was at the O'Reilly Auto Parts store on East Admiral, left my digi cam, cell phone and charger laying on my seat, did not lock the doors. When I walked out of the parts store, there was a guy in his 20's inside my vehicle with those items in his hands. He claimed he mistook my vehicle for his, and never said he was sorry. I witnessed a man stealing a window air conditioner out of an abandoned property this morning. Dude just yanked it out of the window, put it in a shopping cart he had other items he had picked up along his trail and rolled it away as it nothing had happened. I continue to be in utter shock watching this type of thing occur. Feel like I am living in that movie set in the future, MAD MAX ROAD WARRIOR
Believe I will start taking photos of all these crimes or suspected crimes and post them online for all to see.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: AMP on June 29, 2007, 09:20:13 PM
Post by: AMP on June 29, 2007, 09:20:13 PM
(http://www.madmaxmovies.com/making/madmax2/images/MundiMundi/WezFaceoff.jpg)
Some strange critters living in this area for sure. Look similar to these dudes.
Some strange critters living in this area for sure. Look similar to these dudes.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: AMP on June 30, 2007, 12:10:37 AM
Post by: AMP on June 30, 2007, 12:10:37 AM
Friends wife was running on the jogging trail one afternoon last Summer in east Tulsa.
Theives tossed a big rock through the drivers side door window, it bounced off the center counsole and out through the passenger door window.
The stole a small MP3 Player worth $60 that was in the large center console and did over $350 in damage to the truck in the process. It was a F-350 Pickup with leather interior that also was torn by the tossed rock.
Theives tossed a big rock through the drivers side door window, it bounced off the center counsole and out through the passenger door window.
The stole a small MP3 Player worth $60 that was in the large center console and did over $350 in damage to the truck in the process. It was a F-350 Pickup with leather interior that also was torn by the tossed rock.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: Wilbur on June 30, 2007, 07:14:36 AM
Post by: Wilbur on June 30, 2007, 07:14:36 AM
quote:
Has anyone noticed a rise in crime around Cherry Street? More specifically the Swan Lake neighborhood and parts along Cherry Street? I've seen and heard of 5 car break-in's in the last month on my street alone on Saint Louis Ave. I'm just curious if my street just happens to be lucky this month or more thugs are actually walking from North of the B.A. past Cherry Street to cause trouble. I don't know if anyone has noticed but once you drive North of 13th Street between Peoria and Utica it gets awful shady.
quote:
Neighbors got broken into around here last weekend. We walked the neighborhood to discover four others had the same problem, two homes and two automobiles.
How many of these got reported to the police?
Many of my neighbors like to come talk to the "neighborhood police officer" to talk about crime problems. They always ask me if the police know about, or what are the police doing about, certain types of crime in the neighborhood. When I ask them if they ever reported the crimes to police, they almost always tell me "no."
How do people expect the police to address the problem if these crimes never get reported?
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: brunoflipper on June 30, 2007, 07:44:09 AM
Post by: brunoflipper on June 30, 2007, 07:44:09 AM
quote:
Originally posted by AMP
Yesterday I was at the O'Reilly Auto Parts store on East Admiral, left my digi cam, cell phone and charger laying on my seat, did not lock the doors. When I walked out of the parts store, there was a guy in his 20's inside my vehicle with those items in his hands. He claimed he mistook my vehicle for his, and never said he was sorry.
what?
you left all your **** out in your unlocked car and are shocked someone would try and steal it?
your either stupid or naive.
doing stuff like that makes you an easy mark. maybe that is why you've been victimized so many times.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: AMP on June 30, 2007, 10:43:35 AM
Post by: AMP on June 30, 2007, 10:43:35 AM
Perhaps you are correct, guess I should install bars on my windows, install metal commercial doors and door jams with multiple high end locks, hire a Cleet Certified Armed Guard posted on the roof with a night vision sight rifle, install a couple of sophisticated alarm systems. Purchase security cameras complete with 24/7 surveillance off site recording equipment, pack a Glock 9mm Pistol on my person and wear a Guardian Technologies International Kevlar bullet proof chest protector made my Ollie North's company.
All of my thefts have been reported to the local authorities, Sheriff when I lived in the County and Police when I lived in the Cities.
Only two have had anything recovered, one was because my neighbor's x-girlfriend told me her x-boyfriend had broken into my house and stole my property, and informed me where my Television and VCR had been sold to and were they were. Thief had moved to Lawton so that was the end of that part
None of other property I have had stolen has ever been recovered with the exception of our large fireproof safe that was found in a garage in west Tulsa with the top cut off of it and was ruined. They are made from thin sheet metal with a core of cement type product poured between the sheet metal. Pretty cheaply made and very easy to access with the proper tool. It was held at Al Storey Wrecker Service and had a $243 towing and storage bill against it.
I once had my lawnmower stolen out of my front yard while I was mowing the lawn one-day. I walked inside the house to grab a drink of water and left it running by the front porch, when thieves rolled it down the street. Guess I should have taken it inside my house with me, just being stupid and naive again I suppose. Or living in a City that breeds or attracts thieves by the thousands apparently. I say it is the latter. Don't recall in the not to distant past having to bring everything inside, and lock doors every moment in time you are not occupying a dwelling or vehicle.
That is why I posted the photo of MAD MAX ROAD WARRIOR, as today it seems we are beginning to live in that type of era.
All of my thefts have been reported to the local authorities, Sheriff when I lived in the County and Police when I lived in the Cities.
Only two have had anything recovered, one was because my neighbor's x-girlfriend told me her x-boyfriend had broken into my house and stole my property, and informed me where my Television and VCR had been sold to and were they were. Thief had moved to Lawton so that was the end of that part
None of other property I have had stolen has ever been recovered with the exception of our large fireproof safe that was found in a garage in west Tulsa with the top cut off of it and was ruined. They are made from thin sheet metal with a core of cement type product poured between the sheet metal. Pretty cheaply made and very easy to access with the proper tool. It was held at Al Storey Wrecker Service and had a $243 towing and storage bill against it.
I once had my lawnmower stolen out of my front yard while I was mowing the lawn one-day. I walked inside the house to grab a drink of water and left it running by the front porch, when thieves rolled it down the street. Guess I should have taken it inside my house with me, just being stupid and naive again I suppose. Or living in a City that breeds or attracts thieves by the thousands apparently. I say it is the latter. Don't recall in the not to distant past having to bring everything inside, and lock doors every moment in time you are not occupying a dwelling or vehicle.
That is why I posted the photo of MAD MAX ROAD WARRIOR, as today it seems we are beginning to live in that type of era.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: brunoflipper on June 30, 2007, 10:50:46 AM
Post by: brunoflipper on June 30, 2007, 10:50:46 AM
quote:
Originally posted by AMP
Perhaps you are correct, guess I should install bars on my windows, install metal commercial doors and door jams with multiple high end locks, hire a Cleet Certified Armed Guard posted on the roof with a night vision sight rifle, install a couple of sophisticated alarm systems. Purchase security cameras complete with 24/7 surveillance off site recording equipment, pack a Glock 9mm Pistol on my person and wear a Guardian Technologies International Kevlar bullet proof chest protector made my Ollie North's company.
cute...
but how about you just lock your doors, get a dog and an alarm... and avoid providing people with options for crimes of opportunity...
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: AMP on June 30, 2007, 11:25:30 AM
Post by: AMP on June 30, 2007, 11:25:30 AM
My home doors were locked, I owned a trained German Shepard I purchased from Valiantdale Kennels - Cathy Watson who breeds and trains dogs for several police departments in the area, and I had a working monitored alarm system. None of which stopped the thieves from stealing the majority of my belongings.
My point is I owned and used all that equipment, had a locked fence, alarms, double cylinder dead bolt locks, and dog and they did not help me one bit.
Locked fence gate they just lifted it off the hinges, alarm system's phone lines - they just cut them, full length glass window in rear door - they broke it out and walk through the opening, and the dog, guess he was happy to have visitors that day.
"Locks only slow down honest people."
My point is I owned and used all that equipment, had a locked fence, alarms, double cylinder dead bolt locks, and dog and they did not help me one bit.
Locked fence gate they just lifted it off the hinges, alarm system's phone lines - they just cut them, full length glass window in rear door - they broke it out and walk through the opening, and the dog, guess he was happy to have visitors that day.
"Locks only slow down honest people."
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: waterboy on June 30, 2007, 11:57:47 AM
Post by: waterboy on June 30, 2007, 11:57:47 AM
quote:
Originally posted by AMP
My home doors were locked, I owned a trained German Shepard I purchased from Valiendale Kennels Cathy Watson who breeds and trains dogs for several police departments in the area, and I had a working monitored alarm system. None of which stopped the thieves from stealing the majority of my belongings.
My point is I owned and used all that equipment, had a locked fence, alarms, double cylinder dead bolt locks, and dog and they did not help me one bit.
Locked fence gate they just lifted it off the hinges, phone lines they just cut them, glass broke it out and walk through the opening, and the dog, guess he was happy to have visitors that day.
"Locks only slow down honest people."
My gawd man! What neighborhood do you live in?
Walking off with a running mower. Thats rich.
I did lose a good wheelbarrow that way. Left it full of debris on the curb for the garbage truck and some minority type guys simply dumped it and took it away. I gave them the benefit of the doubt that being of a different culture they thought I was getting rid of it as well as the trash. Lots of really good stuff gets put on the curb to be thrown away in my hood. I've been known to resurrect a perfectly good picture frame or slightly damaged chair myself.[:)]
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: AMP on June 30, 2007, 12:28:57 PM
Post by: AMP on June 30, 2007, 12:28:57 PM
The mower was stolen from me in 1987 when I lived near 61st and Sheridan. I thought it ran out of gas. But when I walked out the front door it was gone! I had some medium priced lawn furniture stolen out of the backyard when I lived there, as well as the stereo stolen out of my pickup truck one weekend.
Does not seem to matter where you live, my sister;s home near Southern Hills country club has been hit four times in 8 years. So the neighborhood does not seem to matter.
My sister in Nashville, Tennessee was burglarized two years ago, thieves follwed her on her errands that day, while others were in her home. She noticed a stranger following her. Upon arriving back at home, an analog clock had been unpluged and stopped running just 5 minutes before she pulled into her driveway. She was on the cell phone to her husband as she had become nervous thinking she was being followed. Turned out she was right. Her lucky day.
Does not seem to matter where you live, my sister;s home near Southern Hills country club has been hit four times in 8 years. So the neighborhood does not seem to matter.
My sister in Nashville, Tennessee was burglarized two years ago, thieves follwed her on her errands that day, while others were in her home. She noticed a stranger following her. Upon arriving back at home, an analog clock had been unpluged and stopped running just 5 minutes before she pulled into her driveway. She was on the cell phone to her husband as she had become nervous thinking she was being followed. Turned out she was right. Her lucky day.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: waterboy on June 30, 2007, 12:53:16 PM
Post by: waterboy on June 30, 2007, 12:53:16 PM
quote:
Originally posted by AMP
The mower was stolen from me in 1987 when I lived near 61st and Sheridan. I thought it ran out of gas. But when I walked out the front door it was gone! I had some medium priced lawn furniture stolen out of the backyard when I lived there, as well as the stereo stolen out of my pickup truck one weekend.
Does not seem to matter where you live, my sister;s home near Southern Hills country club has been hit four times in 8 years. So the neighborhood does not seem to matter.
My sister in Nashville, Tennessee was burglarized two years ago, thieves follwed her on her errands that day, while others were in her home. She noticed a stranger following her. Upon arriving back at home, an analog clock had been unpluged and stopped running just 5 minutes before she pulled into her driveway. She was on the cell phone to her husband as she had become nervous thinking she was being followed. Turned out she was right. Her lucky day.
I have been roundly criticized on this forum for stating the obvious but felt vindicated late this week when a TPD officer stated on camera that "Tulsa is awash with drugs right now" and that is what is driving the petty thievery and crime in general.
I think the pervasive drug use, from prescription abuse to heroin, changes the brain. It changes at all education and income levels too. Explains why a business manager for an estate will skim money from their trusting client. The opportunity is there and its so easy to do. Just a thought.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: brunoflipper on June 30, 2007, 01:52:09 PM
Post by: brunoflipper on June 30, 2007, 01:52:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by AMP
My home doors were locked, I owned a trained German Shepard I purchased from Valiendale Kennels Cathy Watson who breeds and trains dogs for several police departments in the area, and I had a working monitored alarm system. None of which stopped the thieves from stealing the majority of my belongings.
My point is I owned and used all that equipment, had a locked fence, alarms, double cylinder dead bolt locks, and dog and they did not help me one bit.
Locked fence gate they just lifted it off the hinges, phone lines they just cut them, glass broke it out and walk through the opening, and the dog, guess he was happy to have visitors that day.
"Locks only slow down honest people."
good lord...
just try and park in front of my house at night, let alone walk up to my porch or gate and see the response you get from my two shepherds... my front door is covered with slobber that flies off of gnashing teeth... they hate everyone, except us...
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: RecycleMichael on June 30, 2007, 04:01:20 PM
Post by: RecycleMichael on June 30, 2007, 04:01:20 PM
No Bruno...your dogs really like me.
One of them held my flashlight in his mouth and the other one brought me a sandwich when I was snooping in your window the other night.
One of them held my flashlight in his mouth and the other one brought me a sandwich when I was snooping in your window the other night.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: Wilbur on June 30, 2007, 06:02:21 PM
Post by: Wilbur on June 30, 2007, 06:02:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by brunoflipperquote:
Originally posted by AMP
Perhaps you are correct, guess I should install bars on my windows, install metal commercial doors and door jams with multiple high end locks, hire a Cleet Certified Armed Guard posted on the roof with a night vision sight rifle, install a couple of sophisticated alarm systems. Purchase security cameras complete with 24/7 surveillance off site recording equipment, pack a Glock 9mm Pistol on my person and wear a Guardian Technologies International Kevlar bullet proof chest protector made my Ollie North's company.
cute...
but how about you just lock your doors, get a dog and an alarm... and avoid providing people with options for crimes of opportunity...
The point is, don't let yourself be a victim. Would we all like to live in a city where we don't have to lock our doors, can leave your purse in the front seat of your car while you run a Riverparks, leave your car running while you run into Quik Trip or leave your lawn mower or bicycle in the front yard? Sure we would. But that is not realistic here.
Now, if you do all things right and you still get victimized, that is just one determined crook. Most crooks look for the easy stuff.
Just don't be easy!!!
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: AMP on June 30, 2007, 10:46:00 PM
Post by: AMP on June 30, 2007, 10:46:00 PM
Several businesses that folks I have known in Tulsa have closed recently due to the owners spending all their extra money at the Casinos.
I would submit that the Casinos play a role in a part of this current crime spree in Tulsa.
I would submit that the Casinos play a role in a part of this current crime spree in Tulsa.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: izmophonik on July 09, 2007, 02:43:02 PM
Post by: izmophonik on July 09, 2007, 02:43:02 PM
Okay, I originally started this post and I'd like to make a comment to the "just don't let yourself be easy" person. Last night 6..count'em SIX CARS were broken into along the alleyway behind Saint Louis between 16th and 17th street and another 7 or so broken into the the opposite street. Does anyone have any ideas on what a neighborhood can do to put a stop to this? Cameras are good but police can't spend all day chasing down some person that I took with an infrared camera. All this stuff happened at 4:00 a.m. this morning. What gives? Swan Lake isn't supposed to be like this.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: Breadburner on July 09, 2007, 03:13:00 PM
Post by: Breadburner on July 09, 2007, 03:13:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by izmophonik
Okay, I originally started this post and I'd like to make a comment to the "just don't let yourself be easy" person. Last night 6..count'em SIX CARS were broken into along the alleyway behind Saint Louis between 16th and 17th street and another 7 or so broken into the the opposite street. Does anyone have any ideas on what a neighborhood can do to put a stop to this? Cameras are good but police can't spend all day chasing down some person that I took with an infrared camera. All this stuff happened at 4:00 a.m. this morning. What gives? Swan Lake isn't supposed to be like this.
Just look at all the scum that walks up and down 15th all day and night....we ran one out of the parking lot of the Full Moon the other night...I asked him if he was a thief and he said yes....The cops on that beat could do 15th a favor by stopping and questioning some of them.....
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: izmophonik on July 09, 2007, 03:20:05 PM
Post by: izmophonik on July 09, 2007, 03:20:05 PM
Yep. I've seen some weird folks strolling around 15th. I think they come from "NOCHE" (North of Cherry) The thing is, if you lock your car they bust the window..if you don't lock it that is one less thing to replace. We can't win at all on this one. Short of doing guard duty with a pistol all night I don't know what to do. 15-20 break-ins in two weeks is just absurd for what this area is supposed to be.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: AMP on July 09, 2007, 05:53:38 PM
Post by: AMP on July 09, 2007, 05:53:38 PM
Last summer we toyed with the idea of holding a car cruise in show in the drug store parking lot at 4th and Sheridan on a friday night. However, upon holding a preliminary display there we discovered there were an extraordinary number of folks that walk, and walk around more than just on a mission, in that area.
Nothing against exercise and walking, however many of these individuals appear to suffer from drug and alcohol abuse, some have mental conditions while others were prostitutes that were propositioning some of the people that had their vehicles on display there.
Most business owners in that area concured that there are major problems similar to these in that, and in many other areas in Tulsa.
Nothing against exercise and walking, however many of these individuals appear to suffer from drug and alcohol abuse, some have mental conditions while others were prostitutes that were propositioning some of the people that had their vehicles on display there.
Most business owners in that area concured that there are major problems similar to these in that, and in many other areas in Tulsa.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: deinstein on July 09, 2007, 06:31:15 PM
Post by: deinstein on July 09, 2007, 06:31:15 PM
It's not north of 13th Street that is shady, it is north of the BA Expressway that is big boundary.
I don't like the area to live, I just moved from the 1400 block of Trenton Ave. to a place in Maple Ridge. Much more quiet and right around the corner.
I don't like the area to live, I just moved from the 1400 block of Trenton Ave. to a place in Maple Ridge. Much more quiet and right around the corner.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: izmophonik on July 09, 2007, 10:34:09 PM
Post by: izmophonik on July 09, 2007, 10:34:09 PM
Interesting revelation. I have a friend in your neck of the woods on Madison Ave. When I get enough money piled up I'll find a place in Maple Ridge.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: AMP on July 09, 2007, 11:20:23 PM
Post by: AMP on July 09, 2007, 11:20:23 PM
Petty crime today seems to have no boundries. Thieves broke into the concession stand at the Speedway in the very small bedroom communitiy of Caney, Kansas last weekend and stole $2,500 of new PA equipment we had just purchased a month prior. That included two mic mixers, CD Players, Electronic Cords, Wireless Microphones and receivers, Amplifiers and cables.
Week prior to that a car was broken into in the parking lot during the races. Thieves stole various items and the car stereo out of the dash.
So this current crime spree seems to be active even out in the rural areas as well as in the cities.
Week prior to that a car was broken into in the parking lot during the races. Thieves stole various items and the car stereo out of the dash.
So this current crime spree seems to be active even out in the rural areas as well as in the cities.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: deinstein on July 10, 2007, 04:51:47 PM
Post by: deinstein on July 10, 2007, 04:51:47 PM
quote:
Originally posted by izmophonik
Interesting revelation. I have a friend in your neck of the woods on Madison Ave. When I get enough money piled up I'll find a place in Maple Ridge.
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I live in a studio apartment.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: jne on July 12, 2007, 12:46:16 AM
Post by: jne on July 12, 2007, 12:46:16 AM
I lived at 17th and St. Louis about 4 years ago. Beutiful neighborhood, but plenty 'o crime. Lots of late night runs from the other side of the BA. Also, a few tweeker tenants at times. Some of those buildings have some crook landlords so they don't keep the good tenants long.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: YoungTulsan on July 12, 2007, 12:52:31 AM
Post by: YoungTulsan on July 12, 2007, 12:52:31 AM
If it is so obvious that these are all people making "runs" from north of the highway, why don't they just park a cop at Peoria, Utica, and Lewis at the highway?
Yeah, I know, thats not how the police work.
I also wonder if it could just be one guy, or a small group of the same people, doing all of the pillaging since they have not been caught.
Yeah, I know, thats not how the police work.
I also wonder if it could just be one guy, or a small group of the same people, doing all of the pillaging since they have not been caught.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: AMP on July 12, 2007, 01:18:18 AM
Post by: AMP on July 12, 2007, 01:18:18 AM
Crime, even in the bedroom community of Jenks America ? ? ? ?
http://www.kotv.com/e-clips/?id=7195
http://www.kotv.com/e-clips/?id=7195
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: AMP on July 12, 2007, 01:26:36 AM
Post by: AMP on July 12, 2007, 01:26:36 AM
Never know about crime sprees, could be one or a dozen. Used to be if a parent learned of their kids doing something wrong they punished the kids until they confessed of their wrong doings. In today's society, many parents are worse than their kids or into crime together as a family.
Hard to determine what is happening if there are no Adults involved, some may be of age physically but not mentally.
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Interesting update on the Caney Speedway burglary. I was there today and saw how the thieves made the breaking an entering. Simply kicked the doors open from the outside. But in doing so they left a perfect print of the bottom of their right shoe on two doors. You an almost make out the letters embossed on the logo of the shoe, as well as the pattern of the mold of the sole. And of course the length and width is a perfect match.
Kind of a Cinderella type deal at this point.
Who owns that brand of shoe?
Hard to determine what is happening if there are no Adults involved, some may be of age physically but not mentally.
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Interesting update on the Caney Speedway burglary. I was there today and saw how the thieves made the breaking an entering. Simply kicked the doors open from the outside. But in doing so they left a perfect print of the bottom of their right shoe on two doors. You an almost make out the letters embossed on the logo of the shoe, as well as the pattern of the mold of the sole. And of course the length and width is a perfect match.
Kind of a Cinderella type deal at this point.
Who owns that brand of shoe?
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: AMP on July 12, 2007, 01:35:44 AM
Post by: AMP on July 12, 2007, 01:35:44 AM
Should be a new law written where all Pawn Shops be required to take digital photos of all merchandise pawned and post those photos online on Photo Bucket dot com All newly pawned merchandise should be listed on a Searchable database by brand name, model, serial number. And by the City State Zip of the Pawn Shops.
Then anyone that comes up missing posessions could at a glance check out the new inventory of pawned goods and identify their stolen posessions if they were pawned, much eaisier.
Then anyone that comes up missing posessions could at a glance check out the new inventory of pawned goods and identify their stolen posessions if they were pawned, much eaisier.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: YoungTulsan on July 12, 2007, 02:01:04 AM
Post by: YoungTulsan on July 12, 2007, 02:01:04 AM
quote:
Originally posted by AMP
Should be a new law written where all Pawn Shops be required to take digital photos of all merchandise pawned and post those photos online on Photo Bucket dot com All newly pawned merchandise should be listed on a Searchable database by brand name, model, serial number. And by the City State Zip of the Pawn Shops.
Then anyone that comes up missing posessions could at a glance check out the new inventory of pawned goods and identify their stolen posessions if they were pawned, much eaisier.
I totally agree about pawn shops. There needs to be a system. Im sure once you start talking about databases of purchases, people will start *****ing about "Big Brother" - but all bets should be off at a Pawn Shop. Im not sure how you verify the legitimacy of re-sale if you don't also keep track of original sales.
Perhaps the digital photograph should be taken of the person bringing the item into the shop. Link that photo with that serial number, while also requiring the pawn shop to match a photo ID of that person, and record his ID linked to that transaction. I bet crooks would be a little less inclined to bring a car stereo into a pawn shop if they had to show a valid ID, and have themselves linked to it by photo in a database.
There would be other ways around it, but that would get rid of a majority of stupid and lazy criminals. The really smart, dedicated ones will be the only ones left (Using fake IDs, selling stuff on Ebay, whatever it took)
And I'm not one big on high taxes, but Pawn shops are the very bottom of society. Why not put on exorbitant tax on transactions which are probably 50% of the time involving stolen items.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: jne on July 26, 2007, 11:49:37 AM
Post by: jne on July 26, 2007, 11:49:37 AM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070726_1__Tulsa05523&breadcrumb=Breaking%20News
Rat bastard cherry street thief caught by a citizen.
Rat bastard cherry street thief caught by a citizen.
Title: ...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?
Post by: Conan71 on July 26, 2007, 11:55:07 AM
Post by: Conan71 on July 26, 2007, 11:55:07 AM
quote:
Originally posted by YoungTulsanquote:
Originally posted by AMP
Should be a new law written where all Pawn Shops be required to take digital photos of all merchandise pawned and post those photos online on Photo Bucket dot com All newly pawned merchandise should be listed on a Searchable database by brand name, model, serial number. And by the City State Zip of the Pawn Shops.
Then anyone that comes up missing posessions could at a glance check out the new inventory of pawned goods and identify their stolen posessions if they were pawned, much eaisier.
I totally agree about pawn shops. There needs to be a system. Im sure once you start talking about databases of purchases, people will start *****ing about "Big Brother" - but all bets should be off at a Pawn Shop. Im not sure how you verify the legitimacy of re-sale if you don't also keep track of original sales.
Perhaps the digital photograph should be taken of the person bringing the item into the shop. Link that photo with that serial number, while also requiring the pawn shop to match a photo ID of that person, and record his ID linked to that transaction. I bet crooks would be a little less inclined to bring a car stereo into a pawn shop if they had to show a valid ID, and have themselves linked to it by photo in a database.
There would be other ways around it, but that would get rid of a majority of stupid and lazy criminals. The really smart, dedicated ones will be the only ones left (Using fake IDs, selling stuff on Ebay, whatever it took)
And I'm not one big on high taxes, but Pawn shops are the very bottom of society. Why not put on exorbitant tax on transactions which are probably 50% of the time involving stolen items.
Sorry I missed this post before. It's brilliant. As far as tax, pawn brokers charge exhorbitant interest rates of their honest customers. I don't really get the point of the tax, but making their "buys" part of public domain would really put a crimp in the legal "fencing" system it's been for far too many years.
Just like needing to have a title accompany every vehicle to the scrapper, instead of just ones under 10 years old. My truck will be 10 next year and the idea of some creep stealing it and crushing it makes me sick.