The group with petitions to allow Oklahoma retal stores to sell strong beer and wine are planning to have a petitions at the Oklahoma State fair on OKC.
Here is the KRMG story...
Wine-Beer Petition
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) - An initiative drive is being planned by a group that wants to give grocery stores the right to sell wine and full strength beer. Oklahomans for Modern Laws plans to collect signatures during the Oklahoma State Fair in Oklahoma City, September 13th through the 23rd. Backers of the initiative said that updating state law governing wine and beer sales will be good for Oklahoma's economy. Officials of the retail liquor industry have indicated they will oppose the plan because it would cut into their sales.
Here is the website...
http://www.modernlawsok.org/
Do you have to be sober to sign the petition?
Functioning alcoholics know how to deal with the present laws. I know to get to the liquor store before 9pm and to lay in my after-church provisions on Saturday. [}:)]
That doesnt mean the laws aren't stupid. The more prudish one is with alcohol the more of a societal problem it tends to become.
Though the liquor store lobby coupled with the "then everyone will be drunk!" religous folk and the "think of the children" crowd will surely sink this ship.
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
The group with petitions to allow Oklahoma retal stores to sell strong beer and wine are planning to have a petitions at the Oklahoma State fair on OKC.
Here is the KRMG story...
Wine-Beer Petition
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) - An initiative drive is being planned by a group that wants to give grocery stores the right to sell wine and full strength beer. Oklahomans for Modern Laws plans to collect signatures during the Oklahoma State Fair in Oklahoma City, September 13th through the 23rd. Backers of the initiative said that updating state law governing wine and beer sales will be good for Oklahoma's economy. Officials of the retail liquor industry have indicated they will oppose the plan because it would cut into their sales.
Here is the website...
http://www.modernlawsok.org/
Gee, and in New Orleans, one can walk over to the Rite Aid or Circle K and buy hard liquor. Really convenient if it's 2 AM and you're out of Jim Beam!
I know many people that would sign that petition as many times as we could get away with
I lot of people agree with me when they have been drinking.
I wonder if they pay the clipboard folk...I could use a little more income.
I've been in QT at 2 in the morning on a very regular basis. I can see some arguments in support of the 2am cutoff on weak beer and no late night liquor sales. The employees and myself were the only ones in the store with a full grasp of english. Keep in mind these were generally yuppie club rats so it was still entertaining to watch.
I would sign the petition. I have always thought that only liquor stores could sell liquor was stupid.
I grew up in California, where you could walk into an Albertson's and buy your grocery's, a bottle of wine, or a bottle of booze... it's nice to be able to get everything done at 1 place... instead of having to drive all over town.
And also, in Louisiana, what was good was that with some brands, you could buy various liquors in larger sizes than in Oklahoma.
In Louisiana you can also buy mixed drinks at a drive through.
41% of the driving fatalities in Louisiana are tied to drunk driving. 35% in Oklahoma.
Objection! That's both anecdotal evidence and assumes a causation even though there isn't even a proven correlation.
Do you really think the alcohol laws as currently enforced in Oklahoma prevent anyone from drinking exactly as much alcohol as they want to?
For that matter, has anyone know an 18 year old that doesn't drink exactly as much alcohol as they want to?
Bah...
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Objection! That's both anecdotal evidence and assumes a causation even though there isn't even a proven correlation.
Do you really think the alcohol laws as currently enforced in Oklahoma prevent anyone from drinking exactly as much alcohol as they want to?
For that matter, has anyone know an 18 year old that doesn't drink exactly as much alcohol as they want to?
Bah...
Not exactly anecdotal when (then time) governor Mike Foster said the Louisiana liquor laws and their lax enforcement were to blame.
If you tape the straw to the lid of the cup, it's not an open container. Scotch tape is the Louisiana way of stopping drunk driving.
Yeah, but he was probably drunk when he said that. And in any even, then it would be hearsay. I must press my objection your honor.
and nonetheless, my points about getting alcohol still stand - so the availability laws probably are not the key factor in the statistic you stated.
Move to strike, argumentative.
I withdraw my comment on drunken public officials. Certainly none of our outstanding leaders would make decisions or statement under a state of impairment. Lest they lead us all into disaster with horrible proclamations and laws.
Actually, I think it would be refreshing to dictate a level of intoxication at all public debates. Get some honesty out there! If nothing else we could get people to tune into the debates.
"No, I didnt shhay I donts like black people. What I mean to said was that theys different than Obama mostly was. Wait. No. What were we talking about? I gotta pee."
Thank you Mrs. Clinton, that's your time.
I like it when public officials call a "symposium".
Symposium originally referred to a drinking party (the Greek verb sympotein means "to drink together").
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
I withdraw my comment on drunken public officials. Certainly none of our outstanding leaders would make decisions or statement under a state of impairment. Lest they lead us all into disaster with horrible proclamations and laws.
Actually, I think it would be refreshing to dictate a level of intoxication at all public debates. Get some honesty out there! If nothing else we could get people to tune into the debates.
"No, I didnt shhay I donts like black people. What I mean to said was that theys different than Obama mostly was. Wait. No. What were we talking about? I gotta pee."
Thank you Mrs. Clinton, that's your time.
Speaking of "need to pee," I do now...
Isn't this already in effect in England? They call it "Parliament." I'll take parliament over c-span anyday.
Here's one of many good clips:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QpZhugomNJE
And more:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_6030000/newsid_6039800/bb_wm_6039894.stm
pretty sure liquor stores in texas still make good money despite the fact that you can buy beer & wine in the grocery stores. i could be wrong there...
that being said...i'd be happy if they kept the beer & wine at the liquor stores if they could just sell the beer there COLD. I like to drink good beer now & then & it sucks to have to submerge a beer in salty ice to get it cold in a semi-reasonable time.
not selling beer cold @ liquor stores is the most asinine law.
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Originally posted by grahambino
pretty sure liquor stores in texas still make good money despite the fact that you can buy beer & wine in the grocery stores. i could be wrong there...
that being said...i'd be happy if they kept the beer & wine at the liquor stores if they could just sell the beer there COLD. I like to drink good beer now & then & it sucks to have to submerge a beer in salty ice to get it cold in a semi-reasonable time.
not selling beer cold @ liquor stores is the most asinine law.
I can see that. I would also suggest relaxing the laws to allow liquor stores to sell complimentary items (bacardi, ice, etc.)
I think Sq hit the biggest joke on the head. My favorite is the dual counter liquor store. One side is the "liquor store" and then you walk out, back in, and the guy turns around to face you in the "continence store" side. What possible purpose could that serve?
Argh, the alcohol laws in this state are arbitrary, out dated, and worthless. Maybe so many Okies are giant fatties because they have to drink 9 beers to get a buzz. I think high point beer should be considered to help end the obesity crisis. [}:)]
Interesting post on state petitions (//%22http://ndopinions.blogspot.com/%22):
After collecting the signatures comes the hard part, surviving the legal challenge.
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Originally posted by CoffeeBean
Interesting post on state petitions (//%22http://ndopinions.blogspot.com/%22):
After collecting the signatures comes the hard part, surviving the legal challenge.
I am proud to have been part of the effort to successfully expose and document the fraud and illegal signature collectors circulating the TABOR petition, especially because they were also gathering signatures for the ill conceived, ill-fated attempt to add at-large Councilors on the city council.
The site is now oklahomansformodernlaws.com (//%22http://www.oklahomansformodernlaws.com/%22) in case you were wondering where the modernlawsok.org site went...
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Originally posted by Conan71
Do you have to be sober to sign the petition?
Functioning alcoholics know how to deal with the present laws. I know to get to the liquor store before 9pm and to lay in my after-church provisions on Saturday. [}:)]
I am not a functioning alcoholic, but I do enjoy a good beer, and I would love to be able to pick up a 12 pack of good beer on Sunday. I can't stand drinking that watered down crap. I've also worked nights for many years, and getting a 6 pack on the way home from a long night shift should be possible. Alcoholics aren't punished by these laws because they plan to get drunk, and get what they need early. Casual beer drinkers who appreciate a good beer after work are the ones who are at a disadvantage.
I've lived here my whole life, and these laws need to be updated. It would be nice to be able to buy a real Coors or Budweiser instead of paying more for imports and micros all of the time.
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Originally posted by tulsascoot
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Originally posted by Conan71
Do you have to be sober to sign the petition?
Functioning alcoholics know how to deal with the present laws. I know to get to the liquor store before 9pm and to lay in my after-church provisions on Saturday. [}:)]
I am not a functioning alcoholic, but I do enjoy a good beer, and I would love to be able to pick up a 12 pack of good beer on Sunday. I can't stand drinking that watered down crap. I've also worked nights for many years, and getting a 6 pack on the way home from a long night shift should be possible. Alcoholics aren't punished by these laws because they plan to get drunk, and get what they need early. Casual beer drinkers who appreciate a good beer after work are the ones who are at a disadvantage.
I've lived here my whole life, and these laws need to be updated. It would be nice to be able to buy a real Coors or Budweiser instead of paying more for imports and micros all of the time.
I don't know that this law would change the fact that we don't have "full" Budweiser or Coors. They aren't here because of a "blue" law but because the liquor distributors got a law passed where exclusive distributorship rights can't be granted for intoxicating beverages and beer in excess of 3.2 is now in that group.
It's not that Bud in excess of 3.2 can't be sold in Oklahoma (it legally can) but it's that Budweiser and Coors et all refuse to sell full strength beer here since they would lose so much money from not being able to sell distributor rights.
The new law may change that, but I don't know that it addresses the issue at all. Is there someone on here that does if it would change the rules on beer distributors?
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Originally posted by tulsascoot
QuoteOriginally posted by Conan71
I would love to be able to pick up a 12 pack of good beer on Sunday.
You know _if_ this passes (and it most likely won't) they will cut off our Sunday beer. There is too much money in the distributor ships to let people like Albertsons/Food Pyramid/Aldi/Homeland whatever to compete.
swake,
Unfortunately, this state question will only deal with one constitutional change... allowing grocery stores to sell wine and beer, not including a change to repeal the franchise ban. It will require another constitutional change to allow franchising.
State law only allows one constitutional revision per state question, unless the state question involves altering the entire Article or Title.
Here is the good news. I was told by the group's publicist that beer manufacturers were in discussion with the group- Oklahomans for Modern Laws- regarding selling strong domestic beer in Oklahoma. I would imagine beer manufacturers might be knocking on the legislatures door after this passes, unless lawmakers introduce a seperate state question themselves through a House or Senate Joint Resolution.
Did this group give up? When I went to their site today, it was down.
http://www.modernlawsok.org/
There was a previous string on this issue, I believe.
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5646
By all means - make alcohol more available. but at the same time - make the drunk driving punishments a lot harsher.
Quit letting the losers off easy.