http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/08/poe-kkk/
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Yesterday on the House floor, Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX) argued that the United States needs to immediately authorize funds for the war in Iraq. "Congress needs to quit talking about supporting the troops and put money where our mouths seem to be," said Poe.
To make his case, he quoted "successful Confederate general" Nathan Bedford Forrest, but left out the fact that Forrest was also one of the original Grand Wizards of the Ku Klux Klan.
Those crazy crazy congressmen. What will they think of next?
No biggie. There are former Klansmen in Congress right now. In fact, the one I'm thinking of may have been alive during the civil war...
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Originally posted by iplaw
No biggie. There are former Klansmen in Congress right now. In fact, the one I'm thinking of may have been alive during the civil war...
[:D] I'm sure he was.[:D]
A man who is noted in one area may have other areas horribly wrong. It doesn't necessarily take away credibility from his area of success.
Hitler, for example, was a great orator and noted to be very personable. On the whole he was simply an evil and horrible megalomaniac intent on world conquest and the notion of racial purity... but he was still a great orator.
King David was a great leader of his people. He slaughter and enslaved his enemies along ethnic lines, but he was still a great leader for the Jewish people.
Julius Caesar was a great military commander, he extinguished the republic form of government from the Earth for 1500 years - but he was still a great military commander.
Theodore Kaczynski was a mathematical genius. He was also a mail bomber who murder scientists in his spare time... but a brilliant mathematician.
Robert E. Lee was a fantastic general and a noble statesmen. He owned slaves and fought to destroy the union killing tens of thousands of men - but he was still a great general and a statesmen.
Wernher von Braun is the best rocket scientist of all time. He was also a Nazi who invented those rockets to indiscriminately kill Britains, but still a great rocket scientist.
this is fun. [:P]
Krystin Glover (the car sales spokesperson on local TV) is a beautiful woman, but has the voice of a chipmunk.
Yogi the Bear was a good friend to BooBoo, but he used to steal "pic a nic" baskets.
Tulsa has many fine places to eat, but they are all closed by 10pm.
Barbara Bush was a very cool first lady, but one of her sons is an idiot.
This is fun
Credit to IP for finding this gem:
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/rjmone/byrd2.jpg)
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
Krystin Glover (the car sales spokesperson on local TV) is a beautiful woman, but has the voice of a chipmunk.
Yogi the Bear was a good friend to BooBoo, but he used to steal "pic a nic" baskets.
Tulsa has many fine places to eat, but they are all closed by 10pm.
Barbara Bush was a very cool first lady, but one of her sons is an idiot.
This is fun
Ah, the "George Bush is an idiot" joke, the joke that only stupid people laugh at...brilliant!
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
Krystin Glover (the car sales spokesperson on local TV) is a beautiful woman, but has the voice of a chipmunk.
Yogi the Bear was a good friend to BooBoo, but he used to steal "pic a nic" baskets.
Tulsa has many fine places to eat, but they are all closed by 10pm.
Barbara Bush was a very cool first lady, but one of her sons is an idiot.
This is fun
Ah, the "George Bush is an idiot" joke, the joke that only stupid people laugh at...brilliant!
Maybe he meant Jeb.
Not sure which kid is "the smart one."
Ironically to your statement, GWB calls himself stupid at times and laughs.
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To make his case, he quoted "successful Confederate general" Nathan Bedford Forrest, but left out the fact that Forrest was also one of the original Grand Wizards of the Ku Klux Klan.
The Klan was originally formed by three attorneys from Tennessee during the post-war occupation. Forrest was not a part of the KKK until much, much later, when he was brought on board as a celebrity spokesman. Once in a position of authority, Forrest dissolved the KKK.
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Robert E. Lee was a fantastic general and a noble statesmen. He owned slaves and fought to destroy the union killing tens of thousands of men - but he was still a great general and a statesmen.
Lee did not own slaves and did not believe in the "peculiar institution" on which the American economy had been so dependent. He was a military leader asked to do an unpleasant job.
His foe Ulysies S. Grant, however, did come from a slave-owning northern family.
Don't forget that Nathan Bedford Forrest was Forrest Gump's namesake or vice-versa, never can remember which way that goes.[;)]
How do you know I wasn't talking about Neil Bush?
He was part of Silverado Savings and Loan scandal. The US Office of Thrift Supervision investigated the failure of Silverado and determined that Bush had engaged in numerous "breaches of his fiduciary duties involving multiple conflicts of interest."
He also got divorced in 2003. Bush's divorce deposition gained public attention when he admitted to several sexual encounters with high-priced escorts in Thailand and Hong Kong.
He is an idiot and a crook and the brother of the President.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/08/poe-kkk/
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Yesterday on the House floor, Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX) argued that the United States needs to immediately authorize funds for the war in Iraq. "Congress needs to quit talking about supporting the troops and put money where our mouths seem to be," said Poe.
To make his case, he quoted "successful Confederate general" Nathan Bedford Forrest, but left out the fact that Forrest was also one of the original Grand Wizards of the Ku Klux Klan.
He probably left out the fact the guy was part of the KKK due to the fact the guy being a successful general had nothing to do with the KKK.However,the south lost,so any references to southern generals no matter how successful they were is pointless,in other words why quote a looser.
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Originally posted by patric
Lee did not own slaves and did not believe in the "peculiar institution" on which the American economy had been so dependent. He was a military leader asked to do an unpleasant job.
His foe Ulysies S. Grant, however, did come from a slave-owning northern family.
LEE OWNED SLAVESLee inherited 63 African slaves from his father in-law. Here is a statement from one of his slaves given in an interview:
"My name is Wesley Norris; I was born a slave on the plantation of George Parke Custis; after the death of Mr. Custis, Gen. Lee, who had been made executor of the estate, assumed control of the slaves, in number about seventy; it was the general impression among the slaves of Mr. Custis that on his death they should be forever free; in fact this statement had been made to them by Mr. C. years before; at his death we were informed by Gen. Lee that by the conditions of the will we must remain slaves for five years; I remained with Gen. Lee for about seventeen months, when my sister Mary, a cousin of ours, and I determined to run away..."
http://fair-use.org/wesley-norris/testimony-of-wesley-norris
Reprinted in John W. Blassingame (ed.): Slave Testimony:
Two Centuries of Letters, Speeches, and Interviews, and Autobiographies. Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press (ISBN 0-8071-0273-3). 467-468.
Lee even had to take a 2 year leave of absence from the army to tend to his new found slaves after failing to find a slave master who was "an energetic honest farmer, who while he will be considerate & kind to the negroes, will be firm & make them do their duty." He worked them, bred them, rented them out, whipped them, and punished them as the law permitted. As the will stipulated, he freed the slaves at the end of the 5 year period.
Lee was not against slaveryHe viewed slavery as a necessary evil because negros are an not as advanced as the white man. Slavery was really just a way of enlightening them until the influence of Christianity slowly made them fit to be set free. Over 2,000 years only a small portion of the world had been enlightened, he noted, so perhaps the institution would need to be in place for a very long time indeed.
"slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild & melting influence of Christianity, than the storms & tempests of fiery Controversy."
Robert E. Lee,
Letter to his wife on slavery (selections; December 27, 1856)
http://fair-use.org/robert-e-lee/letter-to-his-wife-on-slavery
The best line in that letter is the last line. In defense of his right to own slaves he states:
"Is it not strange that the descendants of those pilgrim fathers who Crossed the Atlantic to preserve their own freedom of opinion, have always proved themselves intolerant of the Spiritual liberty of others?"
I love the reference to freedom while defending slavery.
Lee was a great general and a statesmen. But he was tolerant of the institution and owned slaves.
jamesrage wrote:
He probably left out the fact the guy was part of the KKK due to the fact the guy being a successful general had nothing to do with the KKK.However,the south lost,so any references to southern generals no matter how successful they were is pointless,in other words why quote a looser.
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How can a Southern general be successful, yet his side lose at the same time? That makes no sense.
That's like saying Rommel was successful, except for that instance of getting the crap beat out of him in North Africa. Like it or not, being on the losing side colors your resume.
It's also spelled "loser." Although a few of the generals might have been loose if they'd been on the battlefield a little too long. [;)]
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Lee was a great general and a statesmen. But he was tolerant of the institution and owned slaves.
Rather than take possession of slaves his wife inherited, he freed them. The assumption that her property becomes his in Victorian times is another argument altogether.
When Lee wrote: "slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil" it might have been tolerant of mid 19thC America's version of "cheap energy" but would hardly be an endorsement. He knew it was wrong and was disgusted by it, but also knew it's place in the economy then. Conversely, We know of things being done today that are "morally and politically evil' but are collectively too afraid to drop the reins of the American Dream and take a stand against it.
Lincoln was also known as one of the greatest statesmen, but he was also known as a tyrant for suspending the bill of rights and Habeas Corpus, jailing reporters and closing newspapers...
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Originally posted by patric
Rather than take possession of slaves his wife inherited, he freed them.
I am forced to assume you did not read my post.
General Lee took possession of the slaves and used them as his personal property for the 5 years the Will allowed. He worked them, rented them out, had them whipped... just as was expected of a slave owner.
You are correct that he did not like slavery, but he accepted it. He even thought it was in the Negro's best interest and necessary for their development.
I outlined all of this very clearly above. But once more:
General Robert E. Lee owned and worked slaves on his plantation under his personal supervision.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
How can a Southern general be successful, yet his side lose at the same time? That makes no sense.
That's like saying Rommel was successful, except for that instance of getting the crap beat out of him in North Africa. Like it or not, being on the losing side colors your resume.
It's also spelled "loser." Although a few of the generals might have been loose if they'd been on the battlefield a little too long. [;)]
Perhaps his success was in the individual missions in the war he took part in not the over all war.For example his commanders tell him to secure a hill and he does,wouldn't that mean he was successful from that perspective?
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
He worked them, rented them out, had them whipped... just as was expected of a slave owner.
You are correct that he did not like slavery, but he accepted it. He even thought it was in the Negro's best interest and necessary for their development.
Do you think this treatment would cure liberalism? [}:)]
It didn't work on me.
When I win the lottery, I plan to start my own town. I am going to name it like the one in Kansas.
Liberal.
Liberal, Oklahoma
I always wanted someone from Liberal, Ks. to run for President on the GOP ticket.
Then we could call him/her the conservative from Liberal.
I would name my city "City" or "A Town In" just to confuzzle the post office. Maybe even name the town "Post Office."