I just found out about this place called "H&H Gun Range" in Oklahoma City. They were interviewed for a local news story about concealed carry yesterday.
So I looked'm up and found their Website. It really upset me to see that their rates were much lower than Tulsa Firearms, and their professionalism seemed up to par, if not better.
For $1,000, they are offering a lifetime membership with no range fees. For $150, you get a year with no range fees, 2 targets included per visit!
Non-members pay $9.95.
At Tulsa Firearms, non-members pay $25!!!
A one-year, "Gold" membership still carries range fees of $5 per visit and no free targets, at Tulsa Firearms.
This makes me sad, because I love to shoot at the indoor range, and would frequent Tulsa Firearms on a weekly basis if they weren't so high priced.
I've also made 5 gun purchases over the last 3 years, and none were made at Tulsa Firearms because their retail prices are also terrible. Thank God for Sports World at 41st in between Sheridan and Memorial! Hey, maybe they might add an indoor range someday...
Anyone else feel run-off by Tulsa Firearm's pricing?
Never shot at their range, we own some land and do our practicing there, but I have purchased several pistols from them. The last one being a S&W 915 that was cheaper there than anywhere else I looked.
Years ago I bought a Ruger P89 for myself and a Ruger P85 for my father from them because they were by far the cheapest.
Maybe I just got lucky....
Well Sports World definitely has them beat on gun prices now. And they are also locally owned and operated.
It wouldn't be fair to compare them to Bass Pro or some other mega-giant. I just think Tulsa Firearms is gouging shooting enthusiasts because they have the only indoor range in Tulsa.
They could learn a thing or two about customer loyalty and membership perks from this H&H place, IMO.
In Kentucky there is an outdoor shooting range where you pay $150 a year. That includes shotgun, rifle and pistol ranges over a very hilly 400-500 acre lot. Any guests pay $10. There is a fishing pond, and camping range that are included in the fees. I have to say that it is a nice place. I would have remained a member there, had it not been for the fact that I never got a chance to go out there when I was a member.
Wasn't someone supposed to be building a competition shooting range in Tulsa?
I heard that too Sqrizzle. World class, as it was described. They even talked about getting on competitive shooting tours.
I need somewhere to shoot. I was grandfathered into hunter safety in Iowa but am not in Oklahoma so I cannot shoot on the public ranges (Muskogee has a nice one). I'm generally too cheap to pay to shoot places, but would be willing to try some out (indoor or trap).
Also, I cant shoot my high powered rifles indoor...
And while we are the subject - I want to buy a new pistol. At least a 9mm and preferably a .40 or .45 (automatics). My wife wants to make sure its something she can fire, for most women do you think a .45 would be too intimidating? I'll probably end up with a .40, does anyone know of any decent brands that wont set me back a ton but hold up well enough to be able to buy used?
I shoot for fun, so perfection is not mandatory nor justified in its expense.
The world-class range you are referring to can be found here - http://www.usshootingacademy.com/index.html It is pretty amazing from the photos I've seen. I've never been there and I believe its more of a competition/training only type range. Not one you can use to just go plinking.
If you are interested in Concealed Carry classes I'd check out TDSA @ www.tdsatulsa.com - while their prices aren't the cheapest around the instructors and level of instruction are well above the rest.
I agree with your comments on Tulsa Firearms, I can't stand that place. Terrible place to buy a firearm. I feel bad for those that don't do their research and look elsewhere and fall into the TF nonsense.
Oh, there is also another range to go shoot at called Happy Hollow - it's at 10103 S. 193rd W Ave in Sapulpa. It is a bit of a drive for some people (depending on where you're at) but is still close enough to go shoot w/o having to pay a membership fee. You simply pay a day range fee of I believe $7 (includes one target) and have at it.
But, I'd agree - I wish we had an H&H here in Tulsa.
That's awesome. That blows the Bluegrass Sportsman's League out of the water.
A few years back I used to shoot at Tulsa Firearms quite often, but then they changed their membership rules.
Right in the middle of my Gold membership, I was suddenly told that range fees would jacked from $5 to 7.50 if I didn't make an ammo purchase each visit.
I had already payed my $100 (now it would be $150, because they've raised the price on the Gold membership as well), and was quite upset that they had changed the rules on me midstream.
So I quit going.
That was some 5 years ago, so if they had kept things the way they were, I would have spent at least another $500 there in yearly renewel fees, plus $5 range fees per visit.
I can't understand why they raised the prices so sharply, when, if I understand correctly, business boomed for them after 9/11 and with the increasing popularity of the concealed carry permit.
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And BTW, Happy Hollow outdoor gun range is a very nice place, with up to 200-yard shooting availible. I take my .308 there whenever I can.
To everyone who's posted on this forum:
Are y'all hunters? Back where I grew up, that was the only reason to go to a shooting range -- to keep your skills intact until duck, rabbit, turkey and deer season.
Not me.
I usually slay the Roast Beef monster, or stalk the KFC chicken at the local drive-thru. [:P]
I like to target shoot, and have a concealed-carry permit. The idea of having a .308 sited in at 200-yards appeals to me for the simple 'because I can' purpose more than actually taking that rifle out and killing for meat, which is something I just don't have time to do anyway.
My favorite handgun right now is the Glock 32. With a 13-round clip, its like holding the firepower of two .357 magnums in one hand. [:)]
The United States Shooting Academy will be offering a membership program as soon as our main lodge is finished being built. That should be (weather permitting) August 2007. Meanwhile we are offering classes and holding several competitions at the range. We offer a concealed carry course as well as several follow up classes that will help you handle your firearm with more skill and confidence. You should check out our website at www.usshootingacademy.com or just call our office toll free at (866) 441-8772. Our administrative offices are located at 16th and Denver until the main lodge is built. The range is located at 66th st N and Highway 75, just east of the Police Academy. Anyone who is interested in seeing the range, or taking a course, please call Brendan Fitzgerald and he will answer all of your questions.
This place literally is not done justice by the pictures. It is something that you just can't grasp until you see it in person. It is guarenteed to drop your jaw to the ground. It is one of the largest facilities in the world, and when it is finished, it will definately stand head and shoulders above the rest.
I liked the lack of distractions at an indoor range.
You know, focus on one tiny target instead of having pesky homeless dudes walking up to see if my beer-can targets were completely empty or not.
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Used to be Neptune had the best price's on used sidearm's but after the trunk of his car started leaking the deals wern't so hot...plus you never knew what corner he wouldbe parked at.
That was the place I was remembering, the USSA.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
To everyone who's posted on this forum:
Are y'all hunters? Back where I grew up, that was the only reason to go to a shooting range -- to keep your skills intact until duck, rabbit, turkey and deer season.
I go for both reasons. I do some deer hunting but most of my range use is to keep my handgun skills up so I can efficiently defend myself and my family if need be. Plus, it's darn fun.
I've also got a concealed carry permit, as does my wife.
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Originally posted by Hawkins
Not me.
I usually slay the Roast Beef monster, or stalk the KFC chicken at the local drive-thru. [:P]
I like to target shoot, and have a concealed-carry permit. The idea of having a .308 sited in at 200-yards appeals to me for the simple 'because I can' purpose more than actually taking that rifle out and killing for meat, which is something I just don't have time to do anyway.
My favorite handgun right now is the Glock 32. With a 13-round clip, its like holding the firepower of two .357 magnums in one hand. [:)]
Mine is my Glock 26. Not quite the power of your 32 but it's great to conceal. It's also fun and cheap to shoot.
Oh, and my fav rifle right now would be my 'black rifle'. It's fairly new to me and is a blast to take to the range.
For some reason, I was pretty sure I'd not see many gun enthusiasts on these forums. What a pleasant surprise.
I don't have problems with legally owned guns, as long as the owner knows how to use them safely. (I'm lookin' at you, Dick Cheney.)
I think training or a test should be mandatory. Like driver's ed or a driver's test if you want to get behind the wheel. But if you screw up using a gun, you should have your license at least suspended or have "points" go against you. There have to be background checks and other requirements to drive cars. The same sort of criteria should exist for guns, since they're certainly as potentially deadly.
I don't have a gun. But I grew up around many hunters and people who lived way out in the country, far from any sheriff's deputy. I'm fine with guns, as long as they're used correctly.
I was in Austin a couple of weeks ago and found a 100 yard indoor range on the SW side of town called Red's. I think it was $15 an hour including one target, .50 for each extra target.
That's the first time I've used an indoor range.
I usually go shoot at my friend's farm up near Oologah. His "range" is backed up to a hill, so it's a good, safe shooting environment. We were shooting magnum rounds out of muzzle-loaders and someone called the Roger's Co. SD. I think they figured with the percussion and that there was about a 2 minute lapse between shots that someone was playing w/ explosives. The deputy was fine w/ what was going on and left. Not the first time the sound of gunfire has gotten them out.
Reasons for having guns? Home protection and entertainment when I can go out to the "range".
I have thought about having a gun. I enjoyed shooting my M-16 in the army and getting my sharpshooter badge and wanting to try and be better. I would never want to go hunting, target practice fine, but killing an animal... I will leave that to people who are somehow able to do that. The thought has run through my mind to consider getting a gun for "self defense" purposes, but am more afraid of my temper or the slight manic depressive episode some of us artists are prone to lol, and me going on a rampage than I am of the probablilty of getting shot by someone else. All it could take is the ol combination, "really bad stress day, low blood sugar level, and an idiot driver" .... me having a gun then, not a good idea lol. Now dont get me wrong, I am not a loose cannon, I usually have a 10 or 15 minute anger episode once, a year or two, at most. Rare and short as they may be, boy are they dooseys lol. As infrequent as they are they are more frequent than any situation that has ever arisen in which I would have needed a gun.
What is frightening to think about though is those who are just as likely or even more prone to "episodes" than I am but are far less thoughtful or mature enough to be cognizant of their situation.
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I would never want to go hunting, target practice fine, but killing an animal... I will leave that to people who are somehow able to do that.
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Weird. I've never been hunting, but I have killed my share of animals. That's because I grew up on a farm. Sometimes it's for euthanasia purposes, sometimes it's to get rid of varmints, sometimes for butchering (hogs and rabbits; cattle are too darned big to butcher for a small crew with not much equipment).
I occasionally encounter people who say, "If you ever had to kill an animal, you would never eat meat again."
I reply: "But I have, and I have, and still do."
There's this disconnect between many people and their food that I just don't understand.
I don't really WANT to have to kill my food, but I do prefer it to be dead.
Oh heck I will absolutely acknowledge I have a disconnect. I like eating chicken and fish. But I personally couldn't kill one of either lol. I am glad there are people like you who can do my dirty work for me so that I dont have to see the poor thing looking me in the eye. I just want to see parts of it grilled.
I've bird hunted in the past. I enjoyed the commeraderie but for the time, effort, mess, and cost, Albertson's makes the most sense.
I'm w/ you Artist. My favorite form of hunting these days is seeking out the best T-bone at Perry's meat counter.
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Weird. I've never been hunting, but I have killed my share of animals. That's because I grew up on a farm. Sometimes it's for euthanasia purposes, sometimes it's to get rid of varmints, sometimes for butchering (hogs and rabbits; cattle are too darned big to butcher for a small crew with not much equipment).
I occasionally encounter people who say, "If you ever had to kill an animal, you would never eat meat again."
I reply: "But I have, and I have, and still do."
There's this disconnect between many people and their food that I just don't understand.
First and foremost, I think there is an unhealthy fear of guns and gun ownership out there. We don't take cars away from everybody because some people aren't responsible with them (think vehicular manslaughter and dui). I don't see a difference when it comes to guns. I have been around them my whole life. I learned to shoot when I was 7 years old. Started hunting with my dad when I was 8. Haven't hunted since I was a teenager. But I do think occasionally about just going to practice, since it -has- been a while. It's good to know how to handle a gun. I think if more people did, there would be a lot less fear of them.
As for animals, I have spent a lot of time on our family farm - lived there when I was tiny. Butchered everything - pigs, cows, chickens. Like you say, we euthanised, killed rabid animals, etc. I agree - the disconnect people have from their food source is odd. I feel blessed that I have the background that I do, because I don't take my food for granted, and I understand the time, care, labor, etc. that goes into producing it. And I still eat plenty of meat.
Meat and guns. Great topic! Lol....
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Oh heck I will absolutely acknowledge I have a disconnect. I like eating chicken and fish. But I personally couldn't kill one of either lol. I am glad there are people like you who can do my dirty work for me so that I dont have to see the poor thing looking me in the eye. I just want to see parts of it grilled.
HA-HA-HA-HA!!! What honesty!!! LOL...
I have been to tulsa firearms a couple of times and that has to be one of the worst indoor ranges i have ever been to. The ventalation has horrlible, the employyes where rude and there prices on guns where outragous. I now buy all of my guns at TK supply they are a local buissnes and they have the best prices by far of any one else ya'll should give them a call 599-0526 and tell them they need to open a indoor range cause they are some nice guy's there.
Personally, I don't mind self-promotion when it done in a straight forward manner.
LINK (//%22http://www.dcs.state.ok.us/Permits.nsf/d06442f5af59d1bc86256d5e005fe768/08722b71f2c9b5bb8625731300488554?OpenDocument%22)
Permit Number: 886990
Issue Date: 02/15/2007
Expiration Date: 08/31/2007
Classification Code: I7699
Permit Holder's Name: BUDDY D TOWNES SR
Business Name: TK SUPPLY
City/County Identifier: 7281
Physical Street Address:313 S KENOSHA AVE
City Name:TULSA
State: OK
Zip Code:74120
I've had shooting sessions at Tulsa Firearms, Tulsa Gun Club, and Pershing Hall at RSU in Claremore. Each range has its positive aspects, but I preferred RSU because it was uncrowded, and that allowed better concentration when I did bullseye shooting. At the time, I was qualifying on the NRA small bore course, shooting slow fire, timed fire, and rapid fire sequences. I found that my scores improved over the first hour, then started falling off. When that happened, my concentration was starting to decline, and it was time to quit for the day.
But that was all some years ago. These days, when I feel a need to practice, I use a Gamo Compact target air pistol in the garage. The target air pistol is unforgiving of any shooter's mistakes and it takes the same level of concentration to remain consistently accurate. I'd recommend on to anyone wanting some practice.
And the Compact dispatches any rats that come into the yard after the dog food without making so much noise that it attracts the Owasso cops too.