I have taken the time to draw and include a picture for this post. Please bare with me. I'm not an artist and this drawing is not to scale. If you are unfamiliar with this area, just Google map the area of Jenks at the intersection of Elm (Peoria) and A street. A street runs perpendicular to Main Street Jenks.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/RiceRacerDX/JenksIntersection.jpg)
I have used four letters as my reference points: A, B, C, and D.
A represents the position behind the stop line where a normal car would stop. The red of course represents a stop sign.
B represents traffic turning left from the center lane.
C represents the "mini-shopping center"
D represents the "Jenks Firestation Parking Lot" set in front of the firestation building.
I drive through this area everyday and I absolutely love what they're doing with the roads to accomodate for the thousands and thousands of cars that travel through Jenks daily. I have no quarrels about the construction...except for one area.
I found that if you make a legal stop at the stop line represented by A, the areas C and D block your view of traffic almost completely when cars are parked in those spots since the stop line is set slightly behind the parking spaces of C and D. Sure, a simple solution made by anyone would be to ease forward so that you are ahead of the cars parked at C and D. This now puts your car in front of the stop line. Consider the possibility that someone who was making a left turn at point B and hits your car. This will put you at fault since you stopped ahead of the designated stop line.
I don't know if this is just a design flaw, if this stop sign is there temporarily, or if they don't want a stop sign so close to the intersection. I don't think it's temporary.
Has anyone else come across this area and experienced equal difficulty??
No but I'm sure the cop who pulled me over is lurking over there even though he's Tulsa Police.
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Rowdy is just bitter.
I had a problem with some temporary traffic at peoria/elm and the turnpike. No lights, no signs, nothing. Felt like I'd made it through the battledrome after I got out of there.
In your case, I think creeping forward is your only option. Hopefully they realize the issue and move the stop forward a bit. You might try calling the city and mention it. Similar calls got line markings changed on the BA.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Rowdy is just bitter.
I had a problem with some temporary traffic at peoria/elm and the turnpike. No lights, no signs, nothing. Felt like I'd made it through the battledrome after I got out of there.
In your case, I think creeping forward is your only option. Hopefully they realize the issue and move the stop forward a bit. You might try calling the city and mention it. Similar calls got line markings changed on the BA.
Me bitter? Nah, I just like to make light of it now.
Legally, a stop sign just indicates that you must stop before you enter the intersection. Not necessarily before or perpendicular to the stop sign. However, I'm not so sure about when there's the wide line... I think I recal from my drivers' ed days that that's the gotta-be-stopped by here line.
Anyhow, I'm just curious how that double-light Elm/Turnpike/101st street thing's going to work out.
The proper procedure is to stop AT the sign and after a full stop, slowly creep forward to look for oncoming traffic then continue. Someone turning left and cutting across the intersection into your lane would be at fault if they were to hit you.
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Originally posted by NellieBly
The proper procedure is to stop AT the sign and after a full stop, slowly creep forward to look for oncoming traffic then continue. Someone turning left and cutting across the intersection into your lane would be at fault if they were to hit you.
Well, in reference to my amateur drawing, you can actually fit another car in front of the stop line and never be blocking traffic. That's how much space we're talking about. I don't know if it was implemented to be that way in case there was a future five lane widening in the works or whatever. But to further illustrate my point, if you were to hypothetically ease forward waiting ahead of the stop line, then yes you would still be out of the way of oncoming traffic. The problem arises when the person turning left, making their turn first (since they had the right of way), would turn into your car because you were too far forward. At this intersection, it's a bit tricky because if the person turning left were a truck, then there isn't much space between the C parking lot (assuming there were cars parked perpendicular to A ) and the car wanting to then left at A. This is not too far fetched of a scenario either considering that many trucks use this intersection, whether they be at A or B and the bus routes pass through this area as well, although i'm not sure if they use A Street east bound.
My solution to this problem would be to:
-move the stop line closer to the road as to not block the view of any driver wanting to make a turn safely
-repaint the lines to widen the two lanes of A street at said intersection
-repaint the white lines that run perpendicular to A street and push them back further, giving both drivers at A and B a wider distance apart from each other
The project is still under construction. The stop sign has sand bags around the base.