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Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: Conan71 on April 21, 2007, 01:29:26 AM
Hell Yes.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070421/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_child_executioner_5

Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: Porky on April 21, 2007, 05:37:22 AM
Hell NO.

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: rwarn17588 on April 21, 2007, 02:00:13 PM
Not in Iraq.

As Merle Haggard says: "Let's get out of Iraq, get back on track, and rebuild America first."

http://music.aol.com/video/song/merle-haggard/1442260

You know that when you've lost Merle Haggard, you've lost America.


Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: iplaw on April 21, 2007, 05:43:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by rwarn17588

Not in Iraq.

As Merle Haggard says: "Let's get out of Iraq, get back on track, and rebuild America first."

http://music.aol.com/video/song/merle-haggard/1442260

You know that when you've lost Merle Haggard, you've lost America.




Good lord.  The day I look to an entertainer for guidance on anything other than a key change is the day I hope I eat a bullet.
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: iplaw on April 21, 2007, 05:43:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by teddy jack eddy

No.  We never needed to invade, and Bush was looking for any excuse.  He's a Warmonger.

Got anything to back that up?
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: inteller on April 21, 2007, 08:05:01 PM
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

quote:
Originally posted by teddy jack eddy

No.  We never needed to invade, and Bush was looking for any excuse.  He's a Warmonger.

Got anything to back that up?



you are living it.
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: tim huntzinger on April 21, 2007, 08:35:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by iplawGood lord.  The day I look to an entertainer for guidance on anything other than a key change is the day I hope I eat a bullet.



Well, you survived Reagan . . .
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: Ibanez on April 21, 2007, 10:05:48 PM
Agree with the reasons for the war or not we are there now and cannot leave with our tails between our legs.

Doing so would put us in a malaise worse than the one post Vietnam.
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: altruismsuffers on April 22, 2007, 01:47:21 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

Hell Yes.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070421/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_child_executioner_5





Unless you are typing this message from a dessert over seas then you are a spinless chicken hawk wanna be.  "Hell Yes"  You think that we are not creating alot of the violence just by being there?  If a bunch of Chinese were driving tanks up and down your street and killing your wives and friends and neighbors you would probably turn to violence too...Violence begets violence...
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: altruismsuffers on April 22, 2007, 01:50:12 AM
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

quote:
Originally posted by teddy jack eddy

No.  We never needed to invade, and Bush was looking for any excuse.  He's a Warmonger.

Got anything to back that up?



I just ran over a squirrel on the way home that had more sense then you...
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: rwarn17588 on April 22, 2007, 11:29:53 AM
Leave it to alt to poison the well. [V]
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: iplaw on April 23, 2007, 08:28:33 AM
quote:

Unless you are typing this message from a dessert over seas then you are a spinless chicken hawk wanna be.  "Hell Yes"  You think that we are not creating alot of the violence just by being there?  If a bunch of Chinese were driving tanks up and down your street and killing your wives and friends and neighbors you would probably turn to violence too...Violence begets violence...

So the cause of terrorism is our resistance to it?  

Why don't we just staple a white flag to your donkey and mail you over there to discuss the terms of our surrender.  I'm sure they'll negotiate with you instead of sawing your bobble-head off with a rusty butter knife.

It's amazing how clueless you actually are.
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: Hawkins on April 23, 2007, 11:23:46 AM
This just shows that these extremists are still living in the dark ages.

Its best to avoid their lands and let'm kill each other, I think.

We have technology and an ocean to shield us from most of these unevolved folks. Lets just be thankful for that and stop meddling in their affairs.

We're only doing it for energy-resource control, anyway.

We've got China to worry about in the future. If it weren't for that, I doubt we would have troops in any middle-eastern country, which is why they hate us so much.

Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: iplaw on April 23, 2007, 11:26:14 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Hawkins


Its best to avoid their lands and let'm kill each other, I think.

We have technology and an ocean to shield us from most of these unevolved folks. Lets just be thankful for that and stop meddling in their affairs.
Yeah, you're right.  How could these cave dwellers ever attack us on our own soil? [xx(]  I bet it'll NEVER happen...oh wait.

quote:

We're only doing it for energy-resource control, anyway.

Absolute rubbish.  Do you have anything to back this up?  Take off the tinfoil hat.
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: grahambino on April 23, 2007, 11:38:39 AM
ad hominem attacks are really the best way to argue, right?
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: iplaw on April 23, 2007, 11:43:58 AM
quote:
Originally posted by grahambino

ad hominem attacks are really the best way to argue, right?


Anything to add?  If not, go back to the Discussion/Development threads.
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 23, 2007, 05:12:35 PM
I wish we did not need to fight this war and in hindsight it probably would have been better to consolidate Afghanistan before proceeding.  However, there is no real evidence to show that the war was instigated or in any way actionable under international law.  And as the facts stand, the United States is occupying a foreign country where innocent people are murdered by extremists everyday. So the Bush this or that argument is moot.

The only question that really matter's is what do we do NOW.  Do we need to CONTINUE to fight this war?  

If so, I argue the current strategy is not working and something needs to be done.  Perhaps the surge needs a bit more time to work but we need to think of our next step before our current one fails.  Also needed to be answered or at least pondered, at what point must we admit defeat?

If we do not need to continue - how do we end the conflict?  Is there a way to leave while saving face and minimizing damage to Iraq?  Are those priorities over American lives?  Do we continue to support the Iraqi government or allow it to fall - if support, how?

Those questions are much more pertinent than if Bush staged a war, lied, or is an idiot.  Surely history will tell and most likely it doesn't matter to our current state of affairs.
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: Conan71 on April 23, 2007, 05:28:33 PM
My point in posting the article was to point out this hatred of people who do not have the same religious or cultural beliefs as some of these extremist Muslims, is ingrained at an early age.  It is an integral part of their culture.

Iraq was at least somewhat more stable with Saddam on a short leash.  I don't know if I agree with the timing, but they had pretty well flushed out the Taliban and they could roam the mountains for years and never find OBL.

If not now, then when?  The Middle East has been a smoldering fire for years and some American President at some point was going to have to do something militarily over there.  There's likely a lot more strategery at work with Iraq than what the public can truly be allowed to know.
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: altruismsuffers on April 23, 2007, 11:58:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

quote:
Originally posted by Hawkins


Its best to avoid their lands and let'm kill each other, I think.

We have technology and an ocean to shield us from most of these unevolved folks. Lets just be thankful for that and stop meddling in their affairs.
Yeah, you're right.  How could these cave dwellers ever attack us on our own soil? [xx(]  I bet it'll NEVER happen...oh wait.

quote:

We're only doing it for energy-resource control, anyway.

Absolute rubbish.  Do you have anything to back this up?  Take off the tinfoil hat.



IPLAW do you get payed to be an a$$whole on the computer all day or do you just not have a life?  Go pay for a hooker or something man and let off some steam.
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: iplaw on April 24, 2007, 08:16:29 AM
quote:

IPLAW do you get payed to be an a$$whole on the computer all day or do you just not have a life?  Go pay for a hooker or something man and let off some steam.

Hey Dingus.  You're wasting valuable tinfoil hat manufacturing time by talking with us.  

Why don't you and your band of merry men go back to rocking the world with Troof and leave the adults here to talk about big-boy stuff m'kay...
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: altruismsuffers on April 24, 2007, 11:43:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

quote:

IPLAW do you get payed to be an a$$whole on the computer all day or do you just not have a life?  Go pay for a hooker or something man and let off some steam.

Hey Dingus.  You're wasting valuable tinfoil hat manufacturing time by talking with us.  

Why don't you and your band of merry men go back to rocking the world with Troof and leave the adults here to talk about big-boy stuff m'kay...



If you are an adult with "big-boy stuff" then we must have crossed paths.  I am sure you are out doing great things for the community.  What do you look like, I bet we could be friends.
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: Conan71 on April 25, 2007, 01:15:41 AM
quote:
Originally posted by altruismsuffers

quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

quote:

IPLAW do you get payed to be an a$$whole on the computer all day or do you just not have a life?  Go pay for a hooker or something man and let off some steam.

Hey Dingus.  You're wasting valuable tinfoil hat manufacturing time by talking with us.  

Why don't you and your band of merry men go back to rocking the world with Troof and leave the adults here to talk about big-boy stuff m'kay...



If you are an adult with "big-boy stuff" then we must have crossed paths.  I am sure you are out doing great things for the community.  What do you look like, I bet we could be friends.



Alt, nice olive branch, but I don't think you'd recognize him.  In fact, I doubt you'd recognize anyone w/o a tinfoil hat. [:o)]

BTW- would it be too much of a hardship on you to change your avatar?  I keep having epileptic seizures every time I see that G**damn Bruce Lee-esque animation
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: iplaw on April 25, 2007, 08:31:24 AM
quote:

If you are an adult with "big-boy stuff" then we must have crossed paths.  
Probably.  I have been to the Orange Julius in the mall.  You look good in the uniform, BTW.

quote:

I am sure you are out doing great things for the community.  What do you look like, I bet we could be friends.

Yes Dingus, I actually do helpful things for the community like Habitat for Humanity and I volunteer to mentor abused kids at the Laura Dester Shelter from time to time.

But I'm sure since my activities DON'T involve littering the streets with signs and shouting at cars like a deranged homeless person they don't count to you.
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: Breadburner on April 25, 2007, 09:10:02 AM
quote:
Originally posted by altruismsuffers

quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

quote:

IPLAW do you get payed to be an a$$whole on the computer all day or do you just not have a life?  Go pay for a hooker or something man and let off some steam.

Hey Dingus.  You're wasting valuable tinfoil hat manufacturing time by talking with us.  

Why don't you and your band of merry men go back to rocking the world with Troof and leave the adults here to talk about big-boy stuff m'kay...



If you are an adult with "big-boy stuff" then we must have crossed paths.  I am sure you are out doing great things for the community.  What do you look like, I bet we could be friends.



Doing your buddies hair gel does not count as doing something for the community.....Although using your personal organic hair gel is better for the enviroment.....
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: swake on April 28, 2007, 03:56:37 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/27/AR2007042700550.html?hpid=moreheadlines


Tenet Details Efforts to Justify Invading Iraq
Former CIA Director Says White House Focused on the Idea Long Before 9/11

By Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 28, 2007; Page A01

White House and Pentagon officials, and particularly Vice President Cheney, were determined to attack Iraq from the first days of the Bush administration, long before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and repeatedly stretched available intelligence to build support for the war, according to a new book by former CIA director George J. Tenet.
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: iplaw on April 30, 2007, 08:24:17 AM
quote:
Originally posted by swake

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/27/AR2007042700550.html?hpid=moreheadlines


Tenet Details Efforts to Justify Invading Iraq
Former CIA Director Says White House Focused on the Idea Long Before 9/11

By Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 28, 2007; Page A01

White House and Pentagon officials, and particularly Vice President Cheney, were determined to attack Iraq from the first days of the Bush administration, long before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and repeatedly stretched available intelligence to build support for the war, according to a new book by former CIA director George J. Tenet.


I'll take half-assed CYA, and a pathetic attempt to salvage a legacy for $500.
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: swake on April 30, 2007, 08:56:24 AM
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

quote:
Originally posted by swake

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/27/AR2007042700550.html?hpid=moreheadlines


Tenet Details Efforts to Justify Invading Iraq
Former CIA Director Says White House Focused on the Idea Long Before 9/11

By Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 28, 2007; Page A01

White House and Pentagon officials, and particularly Vice President Cheney, were determined to attack Iraq from the first days of the Bush administration, long before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and repeatedly stretched available intelligence to build support for the war, according to a new book by former CIA director George J. Tenet.


I'll take half-assed CYA, and a pathetic attempt to salvage a legacy for $500.



The Chicken Hawks keep yapping but accomplish little.

Sticking your head in the sand about Iraq and this Whitehouse isn't making it all better.
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: iplaw on April 30, 2007, 09:07:14 AM
quote:

Keep yapping Chicken Hawk.

Sticking your head in the sand about Iraq and this Whitehouse isn't making it all better.

As long as there are half-wit, trust-everything-I-hear-as-long-as-it's-anti-bush nutcases out there I'll continue to yap.  Get used to it.
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 30, 2007, 10:39:18 AM
In the interest of fairness, IP, there are also nut job-trust-every-bush-says nut jobs out there too.  I guess they can at least cite to an authoritative, if not trustworthy source (US Government).
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: iplaw on April 30, 2007, 10:57:53 AM
Oh I definitely realize that.  What I object to is every time one of these yahoos publishes a book to attempt a CYA for things they've done, they are accepted as gospel truth by people like swake who would agree with anything as long as it's critical of Bush.

Throwing Bush under the bus for everything is getting old.
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: Conan71 on April 30, 2007, 11:29:15 AM
And backing over Rove with Air Force 1:

(http://www.lowculture.com/archives/images/rove_wheel.jpg)

Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: rwarn17588 on April 30, 2007, 11:58:32 AM
Feh. Blaming the president is a cherished American tradition. Why break the string? [:P]

What I found interesting is that a prominent Army officer is blaming the generals for the failures in Iraq.

http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2007/04/ap_blamegenerals_070427/
Title: Do We Really Need To Fight This War?
Post by: Conan71 on April 30, 2007, 01:18:49 PM
Feh. Officers blaming their superiors is a cherished American tradition. Why break the string? [}:)][;)]