Okay, the pot holes are understandable, and the repair is slow and very sketchy but it happens.
Today while driving on Independence between Yale ahd Harvard we hit a jump built on purpose right across the street. It had zero warning and threw all three people riding in the F-350 up to almost hitting their heads on the roof of the cab.
Sub Contractors Beeco Construction is in the process of installing these extreme Jumps along that street. Few years ago additional Stop Signs were installed at intersections, as if that was not enough, now they are building Moto Cross Jumps on the road bed.
They are tearing up the existing asphalt on either side of the Jump then spraying down sticky tar and gluing on a mound of asphalt.
I believe the use of that labor time energy and effort would be much better used in repairing the HOLES in the roads versus building Jumps that could cause injury to drivers unaware that they have been installed there overnight.
Is this stretch of road a hazad, have there been numerous accidents along there, has there been Bodily Injury accidents or perhaps a fatality?
Why are these Moto Cross Jumps being installed there?
Anyone have the answers?
Sounds fun.
As a former resident of the neighborhood, all I can say is they are needed. The street is dangerous at best due to the speeders. Stop signs? No one stops at them. I know from personal experience.
If you knocked your head on the top of your truck, you probably weren't a)doing the speed limit which is 25 mph or you b) weren't paying attention.
Several years ago, I remember many neighborhoods requesting speed humps due to the presence of speeders. But it was my understanding that county laws prohibited it, so it wasn't done... is this not the case anymore?
Dear god I hope so. If cities can intentionally make their roads crappy to get people to do the speed limit the shocks on my poor little Nissan should just give up now. Not to mention my dog with its ever dangerous posture out the window should probably surrender and any sleeping children should start crying now.
/me lived in a subdivision with MASSIVE speed bumps in Iowa and despised it.
I am getting ready to start petitioning my councilor in my new neighborhood for them. I at least want a four way stop sign. I am sick of kids in little cars with loud mufflers running the stop sign on my corner, peeling out at 2 a.m. and trenching my yard. I could go on and on. There is a school right down the street and when school is out both parents and kids drive way too fast. I got a little revenge when a car slid into a big sign advising of a sharp right turn. He missed the turn but hit the sign. Last weekend someone skidded off into the ditch. I love it.
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Originally posted by AMP
Today while driving on Independence between Yale ahd Harvard we hit a jump built on purpose right across the street. It had zero warning and threw all three people riding in the F-350 up to almost hitting their heads on the roof of the cab.
Why are these Moto Cross Jumps being installed there?
Anyone have the answers?
It is my understanding that jumps, or speed bumps can be installed on Tulsa residential streets at the request of the property owners in the area, and if traffic surveys of speeders warrant the installation. It takes a majority signature of the property owners on the street, and only if city funding allows.
Lordy, I wish they would install these bumps on my street, 26th Street/Terrace between Yale & Darlington. It is a daily drag strip in front of my house. I would welcome these speed bumps in my neighborhood any day, any time.
Tulsa's Traffic Engineering has a set of criteria any street must meet before speed humps are installed. One is the average number of cars must be doing a certain amount above the posted speed limit (I think a majority of cars must be doing at least 13 mph above the posted limit, but I'm not positive). Another is the people who live along the street must agree to have the humps. I believe there is a third, but I don't remember what it is.
The humps are built to allow cars to travel at the posted speed limit as they pass over the humps. If your occupants are thrown around in the car, I have a few suggestions:
SLOW DOWN! You are part of the problem.
WEAR SEATBELTS! They really do work when you wear them.
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Originally posted by Wilbur
The humps are built to allow cars to travel at the posted speed limit as they pass over the humps. If your occupants are thrown around in the car, I have a few suggestions:
SLOW DOWN! You are part of the problem.
WEAR SEATBELTS! They really do work when you wear them.
Well said, Wilbur! Slow the heck down and observe the speed limits!
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Originally posted by Steve
Lordy, I wish they would install these bumps on my street, 26th Street/Terrace between Yale & Darlington. It is a daily drag strip in front of my house. I would welcome these speed bumps in my neighborhood any day, any time.
Be careful what you ask for. I know many a neighborhood who have had second thoughts after having the humps installed. Mostly, because other pissed off neighbors (who didn't want the humps put in) start driving through people's lawns to avoid the humps. I know one neighborhood where a disgruntled driver drove through someone's yard, then through their fence, all the while honking his horn and flipping the bird to the homeowner.
From the police stand point, it concerns me having the humps spread around town where you don't know where they are. Specifically, I'm concerned some pursuit will go down that street. Police may know the humps are there but not the fleeing driver. The fleeing driver hits those humps at high speed, losing control and ends up in someone's house. They also slow down first responders, such as fire and ambulance.
We were traveling at 25mph and had our seat belts fastened. Guess you have never ridden in a large Truck such as an F-350 with towing suspension unloaded from weight.
The launch it caused to the truck was at the least very dangerous and if a young driver had been behind the wheel, it may of been ugly.
There were no warning signs, and the Jump appears out of no where around a curve. I was following two other vehicles ahead of us, They hit the same jump with similar results I assume.
A small compact car would be in trouble attempting to negotiate these jumps.
I am glad I was not riding my motorcycle today and came upon that obstacle un-warned.
They just were starting to install them today, many people take that route to and from other service businesses quite often, but I trust most the traffic will be re-routed to Admiral and Pine in the near future.
If the neighbors wanted to reduce speeds and the number of vehicles on that street, they should of closed off both ends of the street like they did near 5th and Lewis.
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Originally posted by Wilbur
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Originally posted by Steve
Lordy, I wish they would install these bumps on my street, 26th Street/Terrace between Yale & Darlington. It is a daily drag strip in front of my house. I would welcome these speed bumps in my neighborhood any day, any time.
Be careful what you ask for. I know many a neighborhood who have had second thoughts after having the humps installed. Mostly, because other pissed off neighbors (who didn't want the humps put in) start driving through people's lawns to avoid the humps. I know one neighborhood where a disgruntled driver drove through someone's yard, then through their fence, all the while honking his horn and flipping the bird to the homeowner.
Be that as it may, that is a chance I would be willing to take. I am sick of the ersatz race car drivers speeding down my street, and I know I have many neighbors that feel the same way.
The real sad part is that most of the speeding offenders are residents of the neighborhood, not just casual passers-by.
You say the humps are not marked? That could be a lawsuit waiting to happen. Here in Charlotte, they mark the actual humps with these giant arrows (not as imposing as it sounds), and they have signs preceeding the hump by a few yards saying "speed hump ahead" (or something like that). People will get used to them ..... as long as they are marked.
They do install signs, I guess they just haven't installed them yet. Maybe that should be the first step before they start work. I still think if you were paying attention AMP you would have seen the work being done on the street and slowed appropriately.
So can we look forward to humps on every street in town - because people pretty well speed everywhere. I live near EIS and everyone speeds by my house, but if a speed bump was put in on my regular route out of my neighborhood I'd sledge hammer it out some night.
Speed bumps punish EVERYONE because some people break the law. It not only is annoying and a discomfort - it slows down ambulance response and the care they are able to give, wears cars and tires heavily, and has the potential to severly bottleneck traffic as every idiot in an SUV seems to slow down to 5 MPH to go over them.
Booooo and Hisssssss to speed bumps, humps, or jumps.
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Originally posted by AMP
There were no warning signs, and the Jump appears out of no where around a curve.
The warning sign is that you were in a residential neighborhood. What happens if a kid runs out in front of you and you run them over? Are you going to say they should have put warning signs? Now if the speed bump was not installed properly, that is one thing. But I thing most all residential 'main' streets should have speed bumps or something. Personally I would rather your suspension get damaged because you drove to fast then some kids get run over.
Though well-meaning, they are a huge liability for the city, and a poor substitute for a driver's common sense.
We havent yet seen how bad an idea these are, but im betting we soon will.
I will take my digi camera there today and take photos of the crazy mess they are making there.
I will take a short movie of hitting the speed bump at the posted speed limit there. I will shoot the speedometer and how much it bounces you out of the drivers seat. Then I may do the same riding a few of my street legal motorcycles over the same Road Hazard.
You can be the judge....
No there were no warning signs. Yes they had installed about 6 of the bumps, but you could not see the construction as that street curves around and has hills that block your view ahead.
It all came up on us quick as a larger tall truck was ahead of us that added to the blockage of our view.
Never saw the speed bump until we were over it and flying around in the truck along with other cargo, beiefcases, cell phones and other items normally carried in the cab of most vehicles.
It does not DAMAGE the suspension on larger heavy weight vehicles, it damages the occupants and their onboard cargo goes flying.
MOST obstacles in a road such as a DIP or other hazards are MARKED with sinage or Yellow warning paint or otherwise.
This addition of a ROAD HAZARD is clearly not needed.
Again, where are the stats on how many accidents occured on this mile of road prior to the Speed Bumps? And what will be the number of rear end collisions, People riding motorcycles crashing over these man made hazards and kids on bikes crashing as well.
Not to mention the nighmare they will cause during Icy / Snowy weather when the Snow Plows have to negotiate them.
How do Emergency Response vehicles handle high speeds over these road hazards?
Speed Bumps are total non-sense in my book, and I drive Large 45,000lb multi-axle vehicles over 85,000 mile a year highway in 12 states and in town and have for the past 20 years.
Never had a ticket or been involved in an accident in all that time. Only accident I was involved in was in 1984, other driver failed to yield. He pulled onto a main street from a parking lot and ran into the path of my vehicle. Neither one of us got a citation.
AMP, was it anything like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg79_mM2CNY
AMP, are you trying to say it's like a Volkswagen graveyard? [;)]
Independence is not a major arterial street. It is meant for neighborhood use. There isn't even a bus route on it. Are you trying to say your big ole truck can't handle a couple of humps at 25 mph. That is ridiculous. Kids crashing. Rear end collisions. The street hasn't been plowed since the buses quit running AND... emergency crews that use Independence also come to almost a complete stop at the four way stops, because no one stops at them. Your arguments are not realistic. Sorry you are inconvenienced. I was incovenienced by speeders and stop sign runners when I lived there. Use Admiral or Pine street.
Just looks like a total mess compared to
two days ago. Notice the Speed Bumps
are located very close to the 4-Way stop
signs that have been there for a few years. They brought out some BUMP signs since
I was there yesterday.
I hit the jump at 25 in one of our
delivery trucks. Here are the photos
and the video.
http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w162/ampracing10/STREET%20JUMPS/
If the weather is nice tomorrow or this
week I will get a group of motorcycle
riders to hit the jump at the posted 25mph speed limit and check their results.
The last video is of a group of vehicles
all slamming on their brakes to slow down
from 25 to around 5mph to hit one of the
many new jumps built on the course there.
I interviewed a dozen neighbors that all live along that street and none had any knowledge of why the speed jumps were built on the course. One lady said it was a stupid idea, another said it will keep her up at night with all the brakes squealing and the engines changing gears and reving up.
Enjoy...
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w162/ampracing10/STREET%20JUMPS/PICT1870.jpg)
Gota love the one with the fresh skid marks that run from the original pavement up
onto the new Speed Jump. And the Orange
BUMP sign sitting on the street right next
to the Bump.
And this deal is working out for us ?
I just drove over the humps in my neighborhood at 25 mph, the posted limit. No problem. Handled it in my cherokee. Didn't hit the roof of my car, etc. Skid marks are there because teens like to use those humps as a jumping off point. AMP-Please -- get over it. Use Admiral or Pine if you want to go 30-35 mph. Independence is a neighborhood. Children. Unleashed dogs, etc.
If people have to slow down to five mph -- which i doubt -- then good. It's a neighborhood not a high traffic way. I bet I saw your big a$$ truck flying down Independence more than once over the past 10 years I have lived there.
By the way -- the four way stop signs have only been up for about 3 years.
I'm not for speed bumps in my neighborhood...but the rate of traffic along 56th St. between Yale and Harvard is ridiculous. Easily 50% of the traffic speeds...and it runs right by Carnegie Elementary.
And don't get me started on the runway section of Urbana.
Infuriating.
Hit one of the the jumps at 25mph in one of our delivery trucks today. Quite a jolt and momentary loss of vision and control at 25 the posted speed limit. Here is the video...
http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w162/ampracing10/STREET%20JUMPS/?action=view¤t=PICT1841.flv
The recent, no more than a day old, SKID marks are on the lane heading into the Speed Jump, not going away from it.
Good luck trying to drive a low set vehicle over these or when hauling a long cargo trailer. Anything with less than 10" of clearance is subject to damage here. As it will scrape the end of the trailer when the wheels drop off 10 inches on the other side, compressing the suspension from the weight of the trailer and contents, and leaving the rear of the cargo trailer extended out to come into contact with the ashphalt.
A sign near the entrance to that section of pavement would be a good thing to warn anyone with less than 10" of clearance on a long vehicle of the damage that could occur.
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Originally posted by NellieBly
I am getting ready to start petitioning my councilor in my new neighborhood for them. I at least want a four way stop sign. I am sick of kids in little cars with loud mufflers running the stop sign on my corner, peeling out at 2 a.m. and trenching my yard.
If they are doing damage to your yard and you like rocks I'd put some of those very large landscaping type rocks out there around the corner that they seem to have trouble making. That should do some damage to their vehicle next time they decide to miss the turn or take it recklessly.
Boards with big nails sticking out of them also work great.
Try a moat...with gators
...and dont forget to have a really good civil liability attorney on call...
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Originally posted by AMP
Good luck trying to drive a low set vehicle over these
Yes, it was quite a shock when I came upon these things in the dark the other night...driving a Porsche 911. Great way to damage a rather expensive vehicle. (And no, NellieBly, I wasn't speeding.)
Drove through there today. Looked like a war zone. Five of the Bump signs had been demolished, and only a few had the Bump part intact. Flashing lights were brokend and plactic was laying all around.
Numerous skid marks and pieces of broken plastic from what appears to be tail lights and other auto body parts are askew in many places.
I will take the camera by there tomorrow and take some current photos once again to help warn motorists of this hazard.