Not only is the Oklahoma constitution being disregarded so is nearly the ENTIRE U.S. Constitution. Just one example of this is the passing of the Military Commissions Act (//%22http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15220450/%22) which officially ends the Writ of Habeus Corpus. Our Oklahoma Constitution specifically says The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall never be suspended by the authorities of this State. (//%22http://oklegal.onenet.net/okcon/II-10.html%22) -Section II-10: Habeas corpus - Suspension. What are we going to do about this?
Why do you ask? Are you in jail?
[}:)]
Alt, change that annoying avatar, and I might treat you with just slightly more respect. That damn thing makes me dizzy.
This story is 6 months old..
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
This story is 6 months old..
The constitution was destroyed 6 months ago, this story is old...get over it right? Are you serious? I think I have some sick disease and I enjoy seeing how idiotic nearly EVERYONE is on this forum....
Is there anyone that will debate any issue with me? Anyone? Did I miss something? Is this forum for retards or what?
Hint: It's hard to debate anyone who doesn't listen when FACTS are presented. That would be you.
You present your alleged "facts," then don't acknowledge when others do so. That's not a debate, it's a monologue.
Hmmm ... Alt called people on this board "retards." Alt, don't resort to personal attacks. It might get you kicked off the board.
On the other hand, go ahead with those personal attacks ... [}:)]
By the way, a retarded person would at least know when to quit after drawing a certain amount of ridicule. Just sayin' ... [}:)]
Retards? Are YOU serious? Perhaps if the source for your post was not Keith Olbermann, an O'Reilly-obsessed sportscaster, people would take you seriously.
Incidentally, we have all seen your debate skills, more specifically the pummeling IP gave you several months ago. You are boring.
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Originally posted by Conan71
Alt, change that annoying avatar, and I might treat you with just slightly more respect. That damn thing makes me dizzy.
firefox + adblock is a wonderful thing.
that avatar was making me dizzy too, it is now blocked and i dont see it.
What on earth makes you think I'm a retard?
(http://www.telusplanet.net/public/jeffcruz/misc/retard.jpg)
Wow, an architect, an engineer, an expert on US banking policies, AND a legal scholar. I'm impressed. What we have here folks is yet another logical falicy.
3 step process, are you ready?
1) US Constitution is greater than and trumps the Oklahoma Constitution
2) The US Constitution SPECIFICALLY allows the Writ to be suspended, and it has been suspended (Washington, Lincoln, & Roosevelt to name a few of the lowlife's guilty of such an act).
3) Therefore, the Oklahoma constitution must allow the Writ to be suspended at the federal level.
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_transcript.html
You will first be directed to the general principle of federalism contained in the preamble of the constitution. This second and standing at the creation of our United States sets up the hierarchy of our laws. What is commonly known as the "supremacy clause" of Article VI clearly states that Federal law "shall be the supreme Law of the Land" and the US Constitution shall govern above all.
Next, I will point out that you
blatantly mis-stated the law on habeas corpus. The word NEVER does not appear in the US constitution (nevertheless & whenever are your closest references), it certainly does not appear in reference to habeas corpus which specifically allows the writ to be suspended. Thus, any language in Oklahoma using such robust language is necessarily trumped.
Article II, ยง 9 of the US Constitution states:
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The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
The Oklahoma constitution forbids the STATE from acting.
So when the state of Oklahoma suspends the Writ you have a claim against the STATE. Unfortunately, the Writ is suspended at the Federal Executive level... so your claim is highly unlikely to ever ripen.
Therefor, it does not matter what the Oklahoma Constitution says, the Writ can be suspended for the reasons stated. While I disagree with the current state of affairs, nearly everything is done int he name of "public safety" from the Brady Bill, to not being able to get decongestants at Walgreens, to a $100 tax on most plane tickets for the farce of public safety. We sold our freedom a long time ago for public correctness and the illusion of safety.
/me disappointedly removes tinfoil hat.
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Good post cannon. First round KO
Oh, cannon, also, good post--for being a retard.
So if you turn out to be obviously completely and totally wrong you just abandon the thread? Good to know.
CF- you don't strike me as a slow-learner [;)]
Maybe he got kicked off.
I trample my copy of the Oklahoma Constitution daily. Just for fun.
I'm a huge Rhode Island fan.
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Maybe he got kicked off.
Not likely. This is typical for him.
I saw the US Supreme Court trampled the Oklahoma constitution yesterday re: the GITMO detainees. When will these abuse stop...
I actually saw an art exhibit one time that trampled on the flag to comment on the constitution. Im not sure how its relevant, but for some reason I am reminded of the installation:
Set in the corner was a podium with a sign that said "comment welcomes" and a book with a pen for said comments. Behind the podium was a screen that had horrible things projected on it the changed (God hates fags. Nig***s back to Africa. To our soldiers in Bosnia: How many women did you cluster bomb today? Native America traded their land for Whiskey - its not my fault their so stupid). In front of the podium laying on the floor was a huge American flag. Thus, the only way to comment in the book was to walk on the American Flag.
When you walked on the American Flag (which many people did with great hesitation) and got to the book the cover read:
"Congress Shall Make no Law... abridging the freedom of speech." Even though you trampled on the American Flag, you are still free to write whatever you want in my book.
Thought was was interesting.
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Several of the news outlets were taking Rosie O'Donnel to task last night, wondering when she's going to get the axe from "The View".
I'm just curious where Alt has been to say that since Rosie is on the WTC 7 brigade that it definitely happened. [:o)]
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Originally posted by Conan71
Several of the news outlets were taking Rosie O'Donnel to task last night, wondering when she's going to get the axe from "The View".
I'm just curious where Alt has been to say that since Rosie is on the WTC 7 brigade that it definitely happened. [:o)]
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You are so funny!!
As many are aware the Oklahoma constitution is not to be applied to the State of Tulsa.
Oklahoma is comprised of many nations of the American Indian set aside by treaty with Tulsa as a political entity that refuses to be absorbed in the facts of reality.
We do not trample the Oklahoma constitution we just ignore it.
Huh?
IP- That used to happen to me too when I would play along with the characters when I was watching Cheech & Chong movies. [8D]
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Huh?
During the times of the cities land grabs and the conflict between OC and Tulsa in discussion before the legislators Tulsa was dubbed as the State of Tulsa. Even it was suggested that NE Oklahoma withdraw from the state.
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What a bunch of constitutional kooks.
Who the hell was that direct towards?
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Originally posted by iplaw
Huh?
During the times of the cities land grabs and the conflict between OC and Tulsa in discussion before the legislators Tulsa was dubbed as the State of Tulsa. Even it was suggested that NE Oklahoma withdraw from the state.
Didn't help. Are you even discussing the same topic that the rest of us are?
IP quoted
Didn't help. Are you even discussing the same topic that the rest of us are?
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I am only living in the real world and maybe it is a page ahead of where you are reading.
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IP quoted
Didn't help. Are you even discussing the same topic that the rest of us are?
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I am only living in the real world and maybe it is a page ahead of where you are reading.
Maybe if you actually spoke in complete sentences and with proper grammar it would help both you and I...