Mayor's Daughter Arrested
KOTV - 3/16/2007 10:09 AM - Updated 3/16/2007 10:48 AM
Tulsa Mayor Kathy Taylor acknowledged Friday that her daughter, 24-year-old Elizabeth Frame, was arrested early Friday morning for drunk driving.
A Tulsa Police report says an officer pulled over Frame's vehicle just before 2 a.m. Friday in the 1500 block of South Norfolk for running a stop sign. The report says Frame was arrested for a misdemeanor, first time DUI and was released on $1,000 bond.
The mayor, speaking to the media Friday morning, said this incident was a family matter, they are a strong family and would handle it privately.
http://kotv.com/news/topstory/?id=122657
Sad, but really no one's business.
It comes with the job.
It is also my business if her daughter gets preferential treatment. As the daughter of both the Mayor and a Billionaire I'm guessing some strings would be pulled if we weren't watching. They may be pulled anyway.
I guess Kathy isn't the only one in the family who likes the booze.
Give the girl a break. Unless it looks like she is getting preferential treatment, everybody should just lay off. I agree with the Mayor on this one.
President Bush got a DUI when he was thirty years old. Vice-President Cheney has had two.
Mel Gibson, Paris Hilton and Nichole Richey, Halle Berry, Diana Ross, Senator Ted Kennedy all have been arrested for drunk-driving.
Lots of people have been caught making this mistake and most of the people on this forum have probably done this without getting caught.
I am not excusing her, but agree that we should lay off.
Wow. She could have injured/killed someone or herself. I don't care who's done it, the president, vice president, whoever. Justification of ignorant behavior by pointing to other ignorant behavior is just sad.
If she didn't want it to be a public matter she shouldn't have been driving drunk, then been subsequently arrested. Once those two things happen it's a matter of public regord.
When someone drinks and drives it is most definitely OUR business. She's driving on OUR roads and endagering OUR lives when doing so. I could give a rip about whether she's the Mayor's spawn or not.
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Shouldn't that read "my Authoritaaaa"
I bet da Mare is having seconds thoughts about her decision to hire outside the force in violation of the charter.
Nothing on OSCN yet. That's usually updated pretty quickly.
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/casesearch.asp?query=true&srch=0&web=true&db=Tulsa&icasetype=32&iDATEL=&iDATEH=&iCLOSEDL=&iCLOSEDH=&number=&iLast=Frame&iFirst=Elizabeth&iMiddle=&iID=&iDOBL=&iDOBH=&SearchType=0&iDCPT=&iDCType=0&iYear=&iNumber=&icitation=
And Im not giving this girl any more grief than anyone else that gets a DUI. Even though, with her mother as mayor, its spectacularly stupid. Not only does she have the legal trouble, but her mother's political career could be damaged. Not to mention, people will obviously take notice.
Then again, if you take away a billionaires car I suppose she could always just ride around in a limo. So who cares.
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
Lots of people have been caught making this mistake and most of the people on this forum have probably done this without getting caught.
I am not excusing her, but agree that we should lay off.
I agree.
There is no excuse for drunk driving. It is probably the easiest cause of death to prevent in the United States.
Her daughter made a mistake, but she's not the public figure, her mother is. As long as she didn't scream: "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?" it's not really news-worthy.
Yes, you would think she would use better judgement, just like you would have thought the Bush twins would have when they got popped for using fake I.D.'s to get into bars. Children of public figures do have lapses in good judgement much to their parent's chagrin.
With Ms. Taylor's track record for giving preferential treatment to friends and business associates (anyone care to bet that Lobeck has done business with Staubach before? Care to take bets as to whether the broker for the tech center tower is on the Talor/Lobeck Xmas card list?) it wouldn't surprise me if she tries to pull some strings and her daughter learns nothing from it other than not to piss mom off again.
I think it's filed (or will be) as a Municipal Midsdemeanor - so OSCN wont have a filing.
As always - I stand to be corrected.
And, it is really a private matter that shouldn't become public unless and until something out of the ordinary happens with disposition.
I'm sure this mistake is causing much pain in their family.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Nothing on OSCN yet. That's usually updated pretty quickly.
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/casesearch.asp?query=true&srch=0&web=true&db=Tulsa&icasetype=32&iDATEL=&iDATEH=&iCLOSEDL=&iCLOSEDH=&number=&iLast=Frame&iFirst=Elizabeth&iMiddle=&iID=&iDOBL=&iDOBH=&SearchType=0&iDCPT=&iDCType=0&iYear=&iNumber=&icitation=
And Im not giving this girl any more grief than anyone else that gets a DUI. Even though, with her mother as mayor, its spectacularly stupid. Not only does she have the legal trouble, but her mother's political career could be damaged. Not to mention, people will obviously take notice.
Then again, if you take away a billionaires car I suppose she could always just ride around in a limo. So who cares.
Rumour is that she requested "Counsel," specifically, the counsel of her mother.
Arrested for DUI? Well that's just Krazy!(TM)
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Originally posted by D
Rumour is that she requested "Counsel," specifically, the counsel of her mother.
The story I saw on Ch. 6 this evening said she refused to take a breathalizer test until she could get advice from her mother.
Ch. 6 is the only local news report I saw on the story; I saw no report on 2 or 8.
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by D
Rumour is that she requested "Counsel," specifically, the counsel of her mother.
The story I saw on Ch. 6 this evening said she refused to take a breathalizer test until she could get advice from her mother.
Ch. 6 is the only local news report I saw on the story; I saw no report on 2 or 8.
it was on the channel 2 5 o clock news. Channel 2 not covering this...well that would just be KRAZY! Glen McIntyre is Krazy Kathy's best friend!
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If anyone suspected of DUI refuses a breathalizer aren't their licenses supposed to be suspended right there on the spot?
There is some paperwork transition time but your license is suspended for six months.
It will more than likely take a week for it to show up on OSCN but it will....She was going to loose her license anyway if she blew.....
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Originally posted by Double A
If anyone suspected of DUI refuses a breathalizer aren't their licenses supposed to be suspended right there on the spot?
You get a temporary for 30 days, then your license is suspended for six months. That 30 days gives you time to get a restricted license that allows you to drive to and from work. In addition, you will probably have an interlock device, that will require you to blow into a machine for six months before your car will start until your license is reinstated.
I'm just glad that she was treated the same as anyone else in this situation. Speaks well for TPD.
Family matter.
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Originally posted by deinstein
Family matter.
Tell that to the judge and her insurance carrier.
If you're famous and in trouble with the law, you'll make the news. Refusing the breathalyzer is good advice. You can ask for a blood test, which gives you time to metabolize more alcohol before being tested.
I think the public have a right to know whether there is any unfair or preferential treatment, that is it.
Refusing the breathalyzer is good advice. You can ask for a blood test, which gives you time to metabolize more alcohol before being tested.
Refusing any test gets you an automatic six month suspension of your driver's license, far more then if you take the test.
And, the police determine what test you take, not the person arrested. You may request a blood test, but only after you have accepted a breath test, and then the blood test is at your own expense. And no matter what, the tests have to be given within two hours of the arrest, so planning to beat a test because of some huge time frame won't work.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
If you're famous and in trouble with the law, you'll make the news. Refusing the breathalyzer is good advice. You can ask for a blood test, which gives you time to metabolize more alcohol before being tested.
I think the public have a right to know whether there is any unfair or preferential treatment, that is it.
She's not famous, she's a regular girl. If I met her out and about I would have no idea who she is even if she told me her full name. You people are looking for something that isn't there.
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Originally posted by deinstein
Family matter.
Tell that to the judge and her insurance carrier.
By family matter, I was assuming you could easily translate that to personal matter. Apparently not, so I'll make it clear; It's a personal matter.
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Originally posted by Wilbur
Refusing the breathalyzer is good advice. You can ask for a blood test, which gives you time to metabolize more alcohol before being tested.
Refusing any test gets you an automatic six month suspension of your driver's license, far more then if you take the test.
And, the police determine what test you take, not the person arrested. You may request a blood test, but only after you have accepted a breath test, and then the blood test is at your own expense. And no matter what, the tests have to be given within two hours of the arrest, so planning to beat a test because of some huge time frame won't work.
Yes, but in an hour you might drop from DUI to DWI, and the suspension would still be a possibility without the refusal of the test.
Actually, like all criminal cases, this isnt a private matter. It is a matter of public record:
http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=1971949&db=Tulsa
I dont particularly care; its not like I think she is a worse person for driving drunk than anyone else nor do I think it is a reflection on the mayor. I am just glad she appears to be getting the same treatment as everyone else.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Actually, like all criminal cases, this isnt a private matter. It is a matter of public record:
http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=1971949&db=Tulsa
I dont particularly care; its not like I think she is a worse person for driving drunk than anyone else nor do I think it is a reflection on the mayor. I am just glad she appears to be getting the same treatment as everyone else.
Just curious how you found it on OSCN, I searched it and came up with no records. I was told over the weekend this wasn't her first stop for a DUI, but you know how rumors are.
I simply ran a search on criminal records for her last name. I linked to the search on the previous page somewhere... click that and you will see my search result.
Don't ask me how I know this, but from what I gather, if it's your first DUI offense, have an otherwise clean record and aren't an donkey to the arresting officer(s) ...
Many municipalities will defer prosecution for a certain amount of time and require the offender to attend DUI school and take an alcohol abuse assessment. If those are completed satisfactorily by the court's deadline, defendants can often plea-bargain the offense down to reckless or careless driving, pay a fine, do community service or a combination of both.
At the same time your driver's license (the actual plastic card) is taken from you while you drive with a temporary one -- first your copy of the citation, then a letter from the Department of Public Safety, then a "modified" license.
To get that license, you must, like someone said previously, have an interlock device installed on your car. You blow into it to start your car and at least once while it's running. You have to do that for six months.