Any other TulsaNow posters care to weigh in with their opinions on daylight saving time and the earlier implementation this year?
I just finished resetting all 12 clocks and appliances with timers in my house. 4 wall clocks, 2 TVs, VCR, kitchen range, microwave, 1 telephone, programmable HVAC thermostat, car radio. The 2 telephone caller IDs and my computer will presumably reset themselves. Not a real big deal, only takes me about 10 minutes.
Does DST really save that much energy? I know it does in theory or speculation, but is it really proven? If we save energy by longer sunlight in the evening, is this not offset by darker mornings where artificial light is needed? I rather like DST for the longer evening light, but is it really worth it in proven energy savings?
in Bush reality it saves lots of energy. in our reality the savings are offset by the costs of fixing devices for the change.
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in Bush reality it saves lots of energy. in our reality the savings are offset by the costs of fixing devices for the change.
Bush did not create Daylight Saving Time and the changing of clocks around the house is not affected by the change in DST, we have to do it either way.
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If we save energy by longer sunlight in the evening, is this not offset by darker mornings where artificial light is needed?
Although this is may be true at our homes, (for some) I think businesses that aren't open in the early morning will certainly benefit because they wont have to light their stores and parking lots as long.
(Personal attack removed)
Yes, daylight savings time does save energy.
http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/c.html
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
Yes, daylight savings time does save energy.
http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/c.html
OMG who wrote this...Bush?
"In addition, less electricity is used because people are home fewer hours during the "longer" days of spring and summer. Most people plan outdoor activities in the extra daylight hours. When people are not at home, they don't turn on the appliances and lights."
that is utter bull****. where are the stats that say most people stay out of their houses during the longer days? I know I dont. Hell if its hot outside I am more likely to go inside SOONER and run my nice energy sucking air conditioner. Plus, these days many appliances are on even when you are gone. They still consume power to maintain memory settings and whatnot.
this "report" is so concerned about savign energy via lighting. Well that problem can be solved without mucking with DST. Just place an IMMEDIATE ban on incandecent light bulbs and force a switch to compact flourescent.
real energy savings won't occur in this country until someone inflicts (dictates) forced change on americans consumption habits.
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
Yes, daylight savings time does save energy.
http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/c.html
this "report" is so concerned about savign energy via lighting. Well that problem can be solved without mucking with DST. Just place an IMMEDIATE ban on incandecent light bulbs and force a switch to compact flourescent.
real energy savings won't occur in this country until someone inflicts (dictates) forced change on americans consumption habits.
For a change, I agree with you inteller that real energy savings will not occur without forced change due to product supply, such as compact flourescent vs. incandescent. This fiddling with clock hours has a minimal effect, IMO.
The bill as a whole was fairly easily passed. Just because inteller doesn't go outside (which seems like a personal problem) doesn't reflect the rest of the US. As noted before, a countrywide switch to CFL could lead to widespread mercury contamination.
oh geez. yes and taking showers with chlorinated water will create chlorine gas and kill brain cells.
years from now, i'll make sure and bust my used CFLs open on the street so kids and animals can lick up the mercury and then wallow in the broken glass.
the kooks are out in full force tonight.
I read that URL and raise you one:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/10/all-of-eu-to-switch-off-energy-inefficient-lights-within-three-y/
some parts of the world have it figured out, and aren't screwing around with "fuzzy math".
decades from now, if the US is still around, 2000-2008 will be known as the dark ages of the United States.
Inteller, chill out, dude.
I've been on this list for nearly three years, and I've noticed that you've been *really* cranky lately.
Is everything all right?
(Seriously.)
I am afraid this is going to turn into another Y2K. The world might come to an end at 2am.
I remember that it was all about only having 2 number fields and the default was 19__. They quickly fixed it by adding two new fields (I think they should have added three so this would not be an issue with Y10K).
I guess I am the only person who is worried.
I still believe that the Dark Ages were a Y1K problem.
Of course, the thinking also goes that the less electricity you generate to keep lights burning, the less those plants are spewing junk (including mercury) directly into the air.
As far as crime goes...
'A 1970s study by the U.S. Law Enforcement Assistance Administration (LEAA) found a reduction of 10% to 13% in the violent crime rate of Washington, D.C. However, this study was weak, as it did not filter out other factors, and it covered only two cities and found crime reductions only in one and only in some crime categories; the DOT decided it was "impossible to conclude with any confidence that comparable benefits would be found nationwide."[15] Studies of outdoor lighting indicate that while it makes potential crime victims feel safer, it may actually encourage crime.[16]'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time
I wish they would have made it a couple weeks earlier actually, just because it would be nice to have that extra our of daylight after work.
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
I am afraid this is going to turn into another Y2K. The world might come to an end at 2am.
I remember that it was all about only having 2 number fields and the default was 19__. They quickly fixed it by adding two new fields (I think they should have added three so this would not be an issue with Y10K).
I guess I am the only person who is worried.
I still believe that the Dark Ages were a Y1K problem.
unfortunately nothing happened.
DST isn't about saving energy, it's about spending money and the economy. When it's dark outside people tend to not venture out, go shopping, dine out, spend money. At least as much as when there's daylight out.
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
I am afraid this is going to turn into another Y2K. The world might come to an end at 2am.
I remember that it was all about only having 2 number fields and the default was 19__. They quickly fixed it by adding two new fields (I think they should have added three so this would not be an issue with Y10K).
I guess I am the only person who is worried.
I still believe that the Dark Ages were a Y1K problem.
unfortunately nothing happened.
Yet. The next test is when DST would normally come along in 3 weeks. Will computers adjust another hour forward?
my watch will. dunno about most computers.
Daylight Saving Time doesn't reduce any energy consumption. In fact, it might do exactly the opposite.
What do these out-of-doors people do when they're not home? Most of them will get in their SUV and drive somewhere, regardless of the amount of light, to do as they please.
More time outdoors also means more boats and jet skis on lakes, more four wheelers out and about; Generally, an increase in consumption.
Also, with the mornings being dark for longer, when people wake up they will flip on the light switch just as if it were evening. There's no energy conservation there, either.
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from cnn.com
Average U.S. retail gasoline prices have risen 20 cents to $2.55 a gallon, and demand could rise further in coming weeks as daylight savings time gives Americans more time to drive, an industry analyst says.
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Originally posted by Wilbur
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
I am afraid this is going to turn into another Y2K. The world might come to an end at 2am.
I remember that it was all about only having 2 number fields and the default was 19__. They quickly fixed it by adding two new fields (I think they should have added three so this would not be an issue with Y10K).
I guess I am the only person who is worried.
I still believe that the Dark Ages were a Y1K problem.
unfortunately nothing happened.
Yet. The next test is when DST would normally come along in 3 weeks. Will computers adjust another hour forward?
Only if you're computer isn't patched for the current time change.
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Originally posted by inteller
unfortunately nothing happened.
Man, you crack me up.
"Sure is hot today"
"Blame Bush"
"Lost my job today"
"Blame Bush"
"Stocks went down (or up) today"
"Blame Bush"
I guess it makes your life simpler to have one excuse for every problem.
Arizona does not change it's clocks.
Been out here some 60 days now and have not noticed much energy being saved except that of not having to re-adjust one's drinking shcedule.
Drag is calling back home now wakes my people up at 3:00 am.
Opps.
Good thing they like me, jdb
I heard an interesting story on NPR about this topic. It seems that the real push for more "daylight savings" comes from the Chamber of Commerce and various retailers. More daylight means more shopping. (People are more likely to go shopping in daylight than in the dark.) One example: the last time they extended DST, it increased golf industry sales (green fees and golf club sales) by hundreds of millions of dollars nationwide.
You'll notice that the new schedule will mean that Halloween will fall in DST. The candy industry has been lobbying for this for years. The author of "Spring Forward: The Annual Madness of Daylight Saving Time" argues that DST causes more energy use, b/c people are out driving more, shopping more, and generally using more energy than if they were just quietly sitting at home watching TV. Energy savings has never been proven in the past.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7779869
But, hey, I like it...I'm a night person anyway. Who needs daylight in the morning? It just shines in my eyes when I'm trying to sleep!
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Originally posted by PonderInc
I heard an interesting story on NPR about this topic. It seems that the real push for more "daylight savings" comes from the Chamber of Commerce and various retailers. More daylight means more shopping. (People are more likely to go shopping in daylight than in the dark.) One example: the last time they extended DST, it increased golf industry sales (green fees and golf club sales) by hundreds of millions of dollars nationwide.
You'll notice that the new schedule will mean that Halloween will fall in DST. The candy industry has been lobbying for this for years. The author of "Spring Forward: The Annual Madness of Daylight Saving Time" argues that DST causes more energy use, b/c people are out driving more, shopping more, and generally using more energy than if they were just quietly sitting at home watching TV. Energy savings has never been proven in the past.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7779869
But, hey, I like it...I'm a night person anyway. Who needs daylight in the morning? It just shines in my eyes when I'm trying to sleep!
Thanks PonderInc for staying on-topic. I am not surprised, I too think the push for expanded DST is business/commerce related. All things considered, I find it very hard to believe that there are any true energy savings from the annual DST switch, although I too like the longer evening daylight.
I remember back when I was in high school circa 1973-1974 during the first "energy crisis" Arab oil embargo, we went on year round DST for a while. It only lasted for 1 year or less; there was such a public outcry against it that Congress repealed the law.
well of course, at the end of the day its all about greed....not saving energy.
So, even if the candy companies stand to profit, does anyone think that kids trick or treating in daylight instead of dark is a bad thing?
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Originally posted by mspivey
So, even if the candy companies stand to profit, does anyone think that kids trick or treating in daylight instead of dark is a bad thing?
yes. it defeats the spirit of the holiday.
The only thing I don't understand is the fact that every year we hear how beneficial it is to "spring forward." If it is beneficial, why don't we just stay on that time year 'round?
I am in favor of adding another full hour to our day. Vote for me and I will give you a 25 hour day...just think...an extra hour just to do the things you want to do.
An extra hour that could be used to play with your kids, exercise or even take a nap.
My plan is to slow down the earth's rotation by around 4.16%. I am exploring some counter-thrust options as well as large baffles placed in strategic locations.
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Originally posted by recyclemichael
I am in favor of adding another full hour to our day. Vote for me and I will give you a 25 hour day...just think...an extra hour just to do the things you want to do.
An extra hour that could be used to play with your kids, exercise or even take a nap.
My plan is to slow down the earth's rotation by around 4.16%. I am exploring some counter-thrust options as well as large baffles placed in strategic locations.
I think you may be able to by either using the large hot air mass over the D.C. area or the vacuum found around the Los Angeles area.
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Originally posted by billintulsa
The only thing I don't understand is the fact that every year we hear how beneficial it is to "spring forward." If it is beneficial, why don't we just stay on that time year 'round?
As I mentioned previously, the U.S. did try to implement year-round DST back in the fall of 1973 during the Arab oil embargo. The public hated it and Congress repealed the law after only a few months. I was a jr. in high school at the time; as I recall, the loudest public objection was from parents of young school children that didn't want their kids to walk to school or wait outside on school busses in the dark.