I hope this post doesn't give the business inadvertant free advertising, but this person, has placed approximately 50 illegal signs in my neighborhood to advertise his business. When I called to inform him his signs were illegal, he said "I don't give a ****" and hung up on me. I won't be hiring him any time soon.
I will spend my own time this evening removing as many as I can and I recommend anyone who cares about illegal signs to call this jerk and tell him what you think. His number is 955-5473.
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Originally posted by NellieBly
I hope this post doesn't give the business inadvertant free advertising, but this person, has placed approximately 50 illegal signs in my neighborhood to advertise his business. When I called to inform him his signs were illegal, he said "I don't give a ****" and hung up on me. I won't be hiring him any time soon.
I will spend my own time this evening removing as many as I can and I recommend anyone who cares about illegal signs to call this jerk and tell him what you think. His number is 955-5473.
The whole illegal sign issue shows just how unimportant collecting revenue for the City is...
All the Police would have to do is collect one of each different sign and they would have a fine they could levy at the business owner...
Don't know what the fine is for this but it would be easy money...
I hate those signs too. But I've heard that if you take them you could be charged with theft. Is that correct? Or do you have return them to the owner to avoid that? I'd hate for you to get into trouble for cleaning up your neighborhood.
I hit the website...if one isn't comfortable with calling, email him: mowit@mowitnow.com
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His address is listed. Scatter the signs all over his lawn. A drive by "signing".
I will be removing them this evening. If any of the cops on this forum would like to arrest me for picking up trash then meet me at the corner of 67th West Avenue and 25 place after 5. Bring your cuffs.
To the owner of Mowit.com (I doubt he reads, however) -- you will have 30 days to pick them up. you have my number. Be warned, though -- I plan to call the police and file a litter complaint against you.
You can pick them up legally. Might even get some support from Fox & Tay.
I saw a house that had a garage sale and put out probably 25-30 signs coming from every nearby street. Overnight, someone picked every one up and placed them artistically in the front yard.
I dont see how this would be theft... he has abandoned the property.
Hell, even if its not abandoned it still probably isnt theft. If I leave a basketball at the court, or a coat at the park, or watch papers blow out of my window - do I accuse the person who picks them up of theft? No.
Not to mention it would look bad for the city if you got in trouble. They made a big deal about the new "sign commission" or whatever, a while back. No better way to prove the ineptness of government than to punish those who point it out.
But just to be safe, you should probably burn the evidence in his front yard (unless he is a minority and that could be construed as more of a crime than if you did it to a white person).
isnt there a code enforcement division w/ the city of tulsa that can be contacted about this?
i have worked for 2 seperate city governments and the code enforcement folks would spend a good deal of their time removing illegal signs at intersections and on city ROWs.
EDIT: added link to ordinances and possibly relevant text
http://www.cityoftulsa.org/ourcity/ordinances/Title51.asp
Q. Sign Fees.
1. Minimum sign fee . . .$ 40.00
2. Applicable fee(s): Each outdoor advertising sign or business sign shall be charged a fee when application is made which will be non-refundable and shall be counted as part of the totalsign permit fee upon issuance of the permit. When application is made for more than one (1) sign on the same lot and at the same time, the non-refundable application fee will
be charged only one (1) time . $ 30.00
3. Outdoor advertising signs: zoning clearance and plan review fee . . $ 345.00
4. Business signs: zoning clearance and plan review fee . .$ 60.00
5. Height above grade fee: If a sign is over 40 feet in height, an additional fee shall be paid $ 60.00
6. Sign inspections/reviews requiring no application fee. Also, the minimum sign fee does not apply:
a. Promotional business sign . . $ 40.00
b. Remove and rehang in same location . $ 30.00
c. Removal fee (ground and outdoor advertising signs only). .$ 30.00
d. Interior electrical sign . . $ 30.00
e. Border neon sign . . . $ 30.00
I think if you put a stocking out on the corner, Paul Tay comes down from the sky and rids the street of signs.
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Nothing of the above is based in reality.
Unfortunately the sign police are understaffed and do about as good a job as they can. The head sign inspector/remover was moved to homeland security after 9/11.
A pickup and a couple of guys is all they have. I really think the citizens of this town need to stop this litter on a stick problem themselves. When you see a sign inside the right of way on a city street it's fair game -- although rights of way vary widely in Tulsa, a good rule of thumb is anything in between utility poles and the street is right of way -- about 8-10 feet from the curb. Usually the signs are placed right on the street.
Just talked to the sign police at COT -- they are my new heroes. The owner of mowitnow or whatever, will receive a nice little warning in the mail from the city asking him to stop and remove all remaining signs.
They also have crews out today removing all signs on Yale, Sheridan and Memorial from 21st to 31st.
Thank you city of Tulsa!!!
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Originally posted by NellieBly
Just talked to the sign police at COT -- they are my new heroes. The owner of mowitnow or whatever, will receive a nice little warning in the mail from the city asking him to stop and remove all remaining signs.
They also have crews out today removing all signs on Yale, Sheridan and Memorial from 21st to 31st.
Thank you city of Tulsa!!!
umm.. now we know where you live...
well, you would know for sure if I had said EAST avenue instead of WEST avenue. I am still getting used to the new address.
You should post some pictures-- I'd love to see this tacky lawn!
quote:
Originally posted by NellieBly
Just talked to the sign police at COT -- they are my new heroes. The owner of mowitnow or whatever, will receive a nice little warning in the mail from the city asking him to stop and remove all remaining signs.
They also have crews out today removing all signs on Yale, Sheridan and Memorial from 21st to 31st.
Thank you city of Tulsa!!!
Thanks for your efforts NellieBly. I live on 26th St. just east of Yale and my neighborhood thanks you too. Like you, I always trash these kinds of signs too when they pop up.
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Originally posted by grahambino
isnt there a code enforcement division w/ the city of tulsa that can be contacted about this?
i have worked for 2 seperate city governments and the code enforcement folks would spend a good deal of their time removing illegal signs at intersections and on city ROWs.
EDIT: added link to ordinances and possibly relevant text
http://www.cityoftulsa.org/ourcity/ordinances/Title51.asp
Q. Sign Fees.
1. Minimum sign fee . . .$ 40.00
2. Applicable fee(s): Each outdoor advertising sign or business sign shall be charged a fee when application is made which will be non-refundable and shall be counted as part of the totalsign permit fee upon issuance of the permit. When application is made for more than one (1) sign on the same lot and at the same time, the non-refundable application fee will
be charged only one (1) time . $ 30.00
3. Outdoor advertising signs: zoning clearance and plan review fee . . $ 345.00
4. Business signs: zoning clearance and plan review fee . .$ 60.00
5. Height above grade fee: If a sign is over 40 feet in height, an additional fee shall be paid $ 60.00
6. Sign inspections/reviews requiring no application fee. Also, the minimum sign fee does not apply:
a. Promotional business sign . . $ 40.00
b. Remove and rehang in same location . $ 30.00
c. Removal fee (ground and outdoor advertising signs only). .$ 30.00
d. Interior electrical sign . . $ 30.00
e. Border neon sign . . . $ 30.00
how ironic, this guy is coming to remove some yard debris for me tomorrow, and he is charging $30. good deal if you ask me.
Do they cut down trees? I have one that needs to go.
Why would you want to do business with someone like mowitnow.com? He advertises with illegal signs and he was extremely rude to me on the phone. There are plenty of other lawn care people out there to hire.
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Originally posted by inteller
quote:
Originally posted by grahambino
isnt there a code enforcement division w/ the city of tulsa that can be contacted about this?
i have worked for 2 seperate city governments and the code enforcement folks would spend a good deal of their time removing illegal signs at intersections and on city ROWs.
EDIT: added link to ordinances and possibly relevant text
http://www.cityoftulsa.org/ourcity/ordinances/Title51.asp
Q. Sign Fees.
1. Minimum sign fee . . .$ 40.00
2. Applicable fee(s): Each outdoor advertising sign or business sign shall be charged a fee when application is made which will be non-refundable and shall be counted as part of the totalsign permit fee upon issuance of the permit. When application is made for more than one (1) sign on the same lot and at the same time, the non-refundable application fee will
be charged only one (1) time . $ 30.00
3. Outdoor advertising signs: zoning clearance and plan review fee . . $ 345.00
4. Business signs: zoning clearance and plan review fee . .$ 60.00
5. Height above grade fee: If a sign is over 40 feet in height, an additional fee shall be paid $ 60.00
6. Sign inspections/reviews requiring no application fee. Also, the minimum sign fee does not apply:
a. Promotional business sign . . $ 40.00
b. Remove and rehang in same location . $ 30.00
c. Removal fee (ground and outdoor advertising signs only). .$ 30.00
d. Interior electrical sign . . $ 30.00
e. Border neon sign . . . $ 30.00
how ironic, this guy is coming to remove some yard debris for me tomorrow, and he is charging $30. good deal if you ask me.
Are you checking the immigration status of the workers that are performing the clean-up on your property...?
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Originally posted by TheArtist
Do they cut down trees? I have one that needs to go.
I have no idea where the number went but I paid one of those guys driving around $60 to chop down and grind the stump of a tree I had. If you do it in the off-season, it saves a lot of money.
Rate them over here:
http://www.landscapeweb.net/Landscape_Directory/thread/145
also, they have a rating link at the bottom of mowitnow.com. Currently they have a 5-star rating.
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Originally posted by Breadburner
quote:
Originally posted by inteller
quote:
Originally posted by grahambino
isnt there a code enforcement division w/ the city of tulsa that can be contacted about this?
i have worked for 2 seperate city governments and the code enforcement folks would spend a good deal of their time removing illegal signs at intersections and on city ROWs.
EDIT: added link to ordinances and possibly relevant text
http://www.cityoftulsa.org/ourcity/ordinances/Title51.asp
Q. Sign Fees.
1. Minimum sign fee . . .$ 40.00
2. Applicable fee(s): Each outdoor advertising sign or business sign shall be charged a fee when application is made which will be non-refundable and shall be counted as part of the totalsign permit fee upon issuance of the permit. When application is made for more than one (1) sign on the same lot and at the same time, the non-refundable application fee will
be charged only one (1) time . $ 30.00
3. Outdoor advertising signs: zoning clearance and plan review fee . . $ 345.00
4. Business signs: zoning clearance and plan review fee . .$ 60.00
5. Height above grade fee: If a sign is over 40 feet in height, an additional fee shall be paid $ 60.00
6. Sign inspections/reviews requiring no application fee. Also, the minimum sign fee does not apply:
a. Promotional business sign . . $ 40.00
b. Remove and rehang in same location . $ 30.00
c. Removal fee (ground and outdoor advertising signs only). .$ 30.00
d. Interior electrical sign . . $ 30.00
e. Border neon sign . . . $ 30.00
how ironic, this guy is coming to remove some yard debris for me tomorrow, and he is charging $30. good deal if you ask me.
Are you checking the immigration status of the workers that are performing the clean-up on your property...?
actually yes I will be. When the workers come on site they will be required to present proper identification. If I discover or suspect that any of them are illegal, not only will I decline their services on spot, I will report the company to ICE for investicagion. I guess we will find out in a few hours.
also, if any worker is unable to communicate with me in non broken english, they will be sent away regardless of their status.
So quality of work really doesn't matter, just their ability to speak English? Does that mean you don't hire whites who use improper grammar? That's how I judge people.
I generally avoid working long term with people I don't understand if for comparable price/quality I can get someone I do. Regardless of color.
My website says I have five-star rating, too. All the links on the site are to generic pages that aren't even local and the phone number has been disconnected, too.
Shady at best. He buys a website, gives himself five stars, then sticks illegal signs out to advertise. Oh yea, cusses at me. This is someone I want to do business with.
well they promptly got rid of my mess.
you can make comments here:
http://www.landscapeweb.net/Landscape_Directory/thread/145
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Originally posted by NellieBly
My website says I have five-star rating, too. All the links on the site are to generic pages that aren't even local and the phone number has been disconnected, too.
Shady at best. He buys a website, gives himself five stars, then sticks illegal signs out to advertise. Oh yea, cusses at me. This is someone I want to do business with.
If you check, many of the ratings are from "admin@landscapeweb"
Here is the WHOIS information:
Domain Name.......... landscapeweb.net
Creation Date........ 2003-11-25
Registration Date.... 2003-11-25
Expiry Date.......... 2007-11-25
Organisation Name.... landscapeweb.net
Organisation Address. 11769 E 63rd St
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. Broken Arrow
Organisation Address. 74012
Organisation Address. OK
Organisation Address. UNITED STATES
Admin Name........... Adam Morgan
Admin Address........ 11769 E 63rd St
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ Broken Arrow
Admin Address........ 74012
Admin Address........ OK
Admin Address........ UNITED STATES
Admin Email.......... amorgan33@cox.net
Admin Phone.......... 918-249-0642
Admin Fax............ 555-555-5555
Tech Name............ Adam Morgan
Tech Address......... 11769 E 63rd St
Tech Address.........
Tech Address......... Broken Arrow
Tech Address......... 74012
Tech Address......... OK
Tech Address......... UNITED STATES
Tech Email........... mmorgancreek@aol.com
Tech Phone........... 918-249-0642
Tech Fax............. 555-555-5555
Name Server.......... dns1.thisismyserver.net
Name Server.......... dns2.thisismyserver.net
Domain Name.......... mowitnow.com
Creation Date........ 2004-03-17
Registration Date.... 2004-03-17
Expiry Date.......... 2008-03-17
Organisation Name.... landscapeweb.net
Organisation Address. 11769 E 63rd St
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. Broken Arrow
Organisation Address. 74012
Organisation Address. OK
Organisation Address. UNITED STATES
Admin Name........... Adam Morgan
Admin Address........ 11769 E 63rd St
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ Broken Arrow
Admin Address........ 74012
Admin Address........ OK
Admin Address........ UNITED STATES
Admin Email.......... mmorgancreek@aol.com
Admin Phone.......... 918-249-0642
Admin Fax............ 555-555-5555
Tech Name............ Adam Morgan
Tech Address......... 11769 E 63rd St
Tech Address.........
Tech Address......... Broken Arrow
Tech Address......... 74012
Tech Address......... OK
Tech Address......... UNITED STATES
Tech Email........... mmorgancreek@aol.com
Tech Phone........... 918-249-0642
Tech Fax............. 555-555-5555
Name Server.......... dns1.thisismyserver.net
Name Server.......... dns2.thisismyserver.net
11769 E 63rd St is the registered address for Morgan Landscape. MowitNow.com is a division of Morgan Landscape of Broken Arrow Oklahoma. Notice how Mowitnow.com is the only one with reviews?
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Originally posted by TURobY
Here is the WHOIS information:
Domain Name.......... landscapeweb.net
Creation Date........ 2003-11-25
Registration Date.... 2003-11-25
Expiry Date.......... 2007-11-25
Organisation Name.... landscapeweb.net
Organisation Address. 11769 E 63rd St
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. Broken Arrow
Organisation Address. 74012
Organisation Address. OK
Organisation Address. UNITED STATES
Admin Name........... Adam Morgan
Admin Address........ 11769 E 63rd St
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ Broken Arrow
Admin Address........ 74012
Admin Address........ OK
Admin Address........ UNITED STATES
Admin Email.......... amorgan33@cox.net
Admin Phone.......... 918-249-0642
Admin Fax............ 555-555-5555
Tech Name............ Adam Morgan
Tech Address......... 11769 E 63rd St
Tech Address.........
Tech Address......... Broken Arrow
Tech Address......... 74012
Tech Address......... OK
Tech Address......... UNITED STATES
Tech Email........... mmorgancreek@aol.com
Tech Phone........... 918-249-0642
Tech Fax............. 555-555-5555
Name Server.......... dns1.thisismyserver.net
Name Server.......... dns2.thisismyserver.net
Domain Name.......... mowitnow.com
Creation Date........ 2004-03-17
Registration Date.... 2004-03-17
Expiry Date.......... 2008-03-17
Organisation Name.... landscapeweb.net
Organisation Address. 11769 E 63rd St
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. Broken Arrow
Organisation Address. 74012
Organisation Address. OK
Organisation Address. UNITED STATES
Admin Name........... Adam Morgan
Admin Address........ 11769 E 63rd St
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ Broken Arrow
Admin Address........ 74012
Admin Address........ OK
Admin Address........ UNITED STATES
Admin Email.......... mmorgancreek@aol.com
Admin Phone.......... 918-249-0642
Admin Fax............ 555-555-5555
Tech Name............ Adam Morgan
Tech Address......... 11769 E 63rd St
Tech Address.........
Tech Address......... Broken Arrow
Tech Address......... 74012
Tech Address......... OK
Tech Address......... UNITED STATES
Tech Email........... mmorgancreek@aol.com
Tech Phone........... 918-249-0642
Tech Fax............. 555-555-5555
Name Server.......... dns1.thisismyserver.net
Name Server.......... dns2.thisismyserver.net
11769 E 63rd St is the registered address for Morgan Landscape. MowitNow.com is a division of Morgan Landscape of Broken Arrow Oklahoma. Notice how Mowitnow.com is the only one with reviews?
yeah thats him. did good work. havent seen the signs yet.
Ahh... that explains a lot. Easy to get "good ratings" on a "3rd party site" if you control all of it...
My point exactly.
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Originally posted by NellieBly
They also have crews out today removing all signs on Yale, Sheridan and Memorial from 21st to 31st.
21st street across from Expo Square seems to be getting a lot of illegal signs. Even one property owner is apparently letting space in his backyard for signage that peeks over the privacy fence.
mowitnowned.com
Based on the response here his yard signs seem to gain much more reaction than a plain vanilla black and white Newspaper Ad that runs around $400 for a business card size ad on Sunday.
I used 200 of those Yard Signs a few years ago for the Arenacross I promoted at the Tulsa Fairgrounds and we had a sell out crowd. Based on my experience with them they work very well. Only up for a few days depending on the sign pickup schedule. Seemed to last longer at most locations in mid February than they do in the warmer months.
Sounds like he is trying many different types of advertising to test what works and what does not.
If you owned a Landscape Business, how would you spend your advertising dollars?
Keep in mind if you choose Yellow Page ads you need to be in a minimum of 10 just to cover Tulsa and the surrounding suburbs, not to mention the 4 books for Tulsa alone. At around $600 per month for a very small ad that runs around $6,000 per month to be in Yellow Page ads and be effective. Lots of mowing to pay for that expense, especially in the Winter.