Want to learn more about the future of the Brady Arts District, but don't own a crystal ball? Then don't miss this week's TulsaNow meeting. Stephen Carr from the City of Tulsa Planning Department will give a presentation on the Brady Village Infill Plan (//%22http://www.tulsadevelopmentauthority.org/plans_brady_infill.html%22).
What: TulsaNow Meeting - Focus on Brady
When: Wednesday, Feb 21, 6:00 PM
Where: Harwelden, 2210 S. Main
Is that a residential address? I wouldn't mind attending this.
It's the Harwelden mansion.
So.. yeah.
Anybody else see the story on News Chamber 8 about the new housing being built in the Brady Area?
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Originally posted by Double A
Anybody else see the story on News Chamber 8 about the new housing being built in the Brady Area?
http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0207/398863.html
Tulsa - Big news for North Tulsa and the OSU-Tulsa campus. The area may be getting its first gated community, which could help meet some of the housing needs of the university. Thirty-three new homes are planned for the area along Cincinnati near Pine. NewsChannel 8's Yvonne Harris has more on the plans.
Residents of the area are already seeing it. OSU-Tulsa is expanding with a new technology center. The school already has 27-hundred students, so it only makes sense that the areas surrounding the campus are growing as well.
It's located at the corner of East Oklahoma Street and North Cincinnati and is in the shadows of downtown Tulsa. This is the site of Brady Village, a gated community in North Tulsa. Developer Don Oltman says people are often suprised when he tells them what he's doing.
"Yeah a little. But, especially since it's a gated community, the first time in North Tulsa, we're excited to be able to do it in an area that needs revitalization," Oltman says.
A nearby neighborhood is a mixture of brand new homes to boarded up ones and everything in between. Neighbors we spoke with welcome the changes.
"It's improved property values, that's why I think it's such a good idea."
"It's a lot of land. They should build something back there, put something extra on the northside."
Thirty-three homes are planned, starting in the low 100-thousands. They'll be three-bedroom, two-bath and two car garages in the back, a feature you'd normally see in cities like Dallas.
OSU-Tulsa President Dr. Gary Trennepohl sees a need for more housing near the campus.
"As we get that engineering building and are recruiting students from all over the world, it's a lot better to recruit people if we have campus housing," Trennepohl says.
The Brady Village project will be done in three phases. The first phase starts in four weeks with construction of a model home. The gated community will also include a park. The project is the result of two years of work with the Tulsa Development Authority.
wOOt, "Developer Don Oltman" was my neighbor, did my roof, and our kids are friends.
He built several infill houses in my area (28th and Harvard) on empty lots and was working on a couple others. Sadly, after people saw what nice houses he was building in the area they upped the lot prices. Anyway, he has been trying to do this for sometime now... glad it has gotten squared away.
As far as I know, about 85% of what he builds is infill or redevelopment of an area. This should be a great development.
This sounds like a good development, though I don't like the fact it will be a gated community.
Sad to say that the first infill project in what may be perceived as a high risk area will probably need to be gated to sell. As the article states, it will be adjacent to neighborhood where there are tons of abandon houses and the ones that are there sell for the low 50's instead of the low 100's. The gates will allow people some comfort until they either realize the neighborhood isnt dangerous or make it so.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Double A
Anybody else see the story on News Chamber 8 about the new housing being built in the Brady Area?
http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0207/398863.html
Tulsa - Big news for North Tulsa and the OSU-Tulsa campus. The area may be getting its first gated community, which could help meet some of the housing needs of the university. Thirty-three new homes are planned for the area along Cincinnati near Pine. NewsChannel 8's Yvonne Harris has more on the plans.
Residents of the area are already seeing it. OSU-Tulsa is expanding with a new technology center. The school already has 27-hundred students, so it only makes sense that the areas surrounding the campus are growing as well.
It's located at the corner of East Oklahoma Street and North Cincinnati and is in the shadows of downtown Tulsa. This is the site of Brady Village, a gated community in North Tulsa. Developer Don Oltman says people are often suprised when he tells them what he's doing.
"Yeah a little. But, especially since it's a gated community, the first time in North Tulsa, we're excited to be able to do it in an area that needs revitalization," Oltman says.
A nearby neighborhood is a mixture of brand new homes to boarded up ones and everything in between. Neighbors we spoke with welcome the changes.
"It's improved property values, that's why I think it's such a good idea."
"It's a lot of land. They should build something back there, put something extra on the northside."
Thirty-three homes are planned, starting in the low 100-thousands. They'll be three-bedroom, two-bath and two car garages in the back, a feature you'd normally see in cities like Dallas.
OSU-Tulsa President Dr. Gary Trennepohl sees a need for more housing near the campus.
"As we get that engineering building and are recruiting students from all over the world, it's a lot better to recruit people if we have campus housing," Trennepohl says.
The Brady Village project will be done in three phases. The first phase starts in four weeks with construction of a model home. The gated community will also include a park. The project is the result of two years of work with the Tulsa Development Authority.
The ignorance is so pervasive. Why even mention having a park in this gated community .... it won't be accessible to anyone on the outside. In fact, this "community" will be of no use to anyone ..... not even noteworthy on the news ..... unless it spurs-on other development in the area that is "open" and truly a part of the community. Gates do nothing more than tell others that they are not worthy.
NCTulsan - Are you from North Carolina?
NCTulsan:
Per my post above, would you move into that area and pay over $100,000 for a house if it wasnt in a gated community? I probably wouldnt, nor would I feel comfortable with my kid in a park in the areas nearby.
The developer has to give the people what they want, and security is MANDATORY when buying a new house. It is apparent the city cannot or will not keep vandalism and other crime down in that area nor is it willing to put in any public amenities. Why arent you damn glad that someone else is willing to do it?
All you have to do is drive by 15th and Peoria just past Listeria John Salmonella's and Slaughterburger to Westervelt's gated community to find a great example of why these segreGATED compounds should not be allowed in walkable historic areas. They don't create a unified sense of civic pride and community, all they do is create a divisive bunker mentality. These walled enclaves look like glamorized detention centers to me. It's like building a cheap strip mall on one of the State's Main Street Programs. BTW, isn't Brady looking to become part of the Main Street Program?
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Originally posted by Double A
BTW, isn't Brady looking to become part of the Main Street Program?
A few years ago I looked into Main Street and found a lot of involvement (and funding) by a certain lighting manufacturer that was looking for a way to interest municipalities into converting to their lights. Since they seem to have a lot of recommendations for a lot of different goods I tend to wonder how much of the program is really just product placement.
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Originally posted by patric
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Originally posted by Double A
BTW, isn't Brady looking to become part of the Main Street Program?
A few years ago I looked into Main Street and found a lot of involvement (and funding) by a certain lighting manufacturer that was looking for a way to interest municipalities into converting to their lights. Since they seem to have a lot of recommendations for a lot of different goods I tend to wonder how much of the program is really just product placement.
I assume you've reviewed this:
http://www.tulsadevelopmentauthority.org/brady_infill_pdf/appendix_n_roadway_lighting_plan.pdf
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
I assume you've reviewed this:
http://www.tulsadevelopmentauthority.org/brady_infill_pdf/appendix_n_roadway_lighting_plan.pdf
Yup.
I wrote Tim Lovell of Brady Heights in 2003 with some concerns, proposed a variety of alternative fixtures that would meet their aesthetic needs (and yet be less glare-prone and energy greedy),objected to the trippling (and sometimes quadrupling) of fixtures required to put enough light down on the street, but they have their hearts set on keeping up with the Jonses'.
"We will replace the existing farm-style street lights with historically appropriate lighting. Our plan is to use Holophane acorn globes on 12' Washington style poles to provide under-canopy lighting. These are similar to the new lamps installed on the University of Tulsa campus. We will also increase the number of lamps in the district. Fixtures will be supplied and maintained by Public Service of Oklahoma."
...and paid for by everyone, in perpetuity.
Nancy Apgar and Jamie Jamison also echoed those concerns to Brady Heights, and aired their objections to the Tulsa Midtown Coalition of Neighborhoods in 2003.
So much for public input.
"OSU-Tulsa President Dr. Gary Trennepohl sees a need for more housing near the campus.
"As we get that engineering building and are recruiting students from all over the world, it's a lot better to recruit people if we have campus housing," Trennepohl says."
Can anyone explain to me how having this gated community equals campus housing for students? I thought they were going to be building student housing on campus?
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
NCTulsan:
Per my post above, would you move into that area and pay over $100,000 for a house if it wasnt in a gated community? I probably wouldnt, nor would I feel comfortable with my kid in a park in the areas nearby.
The developer has to give the people what they want, and security is MANDATORY when buying a new house. It is apparent the city cannot or will not keep vandalism and other crime down in that area nor is it willing to put in any public amenities. Why arent you damn glad that someone else is willing to do it?
Are there any new houses anywhere in Tulsa for under a 100,000$ ?
I know someone who bought a house overlooking the river for about 40 grand. They plan to put about 50 grand into renovations and plenty of sweat equity so there's a newly renovated bungalow on the banks of the Arkansas for about 90 grand(I know it's not really new construction). Lots of homes in this area are going for about that price
1) I dont think there are many new houses anywhere in the country for under $100,000.
2) While people continue to moan about the gated community, no one has addressed my points in that regard. How do you start getting quality residents in the damn Ghetto? You cant just plop down a new house and say enjoy the drug dealers, running gang battles, and non-existent parks - that's $100,000 please.
So you have to start somewhere. A gate community will get middle class people with money and influence in an area that needs help. The other existing alternative is to let the area continue to rot.
I dont think Ive seen a development posted on this forum yet that people like. Its either horrible because they are tearing down condemned buildings to put it in, it is too new for the area, or Tulsa allow it to move way out South. How in the hell do you reconcile those positions? I got news for you, if you wanted to see the Aquarium, Bass Pro, or any other new developments in Tulsa odds area something is going to get torn down.
Unless you have another way to get the crappier parts of our city livable again and are willing to risk your capital... I dont understand your gripe.
^Where?
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Originally posted by TheArtist
"OSU-Tulsa President Dr. Gary Trennepohl sees a need for more housing near the campus.
"As we get that engineering building and are recruiting students from all over the world, it's a lot better to recruit people if we have campus housing," Trennepohl says."
Can anyone explain to me how having this gated community equals campus housing for students? I thought they were going to be building student housing on campus?
Just a guess... but I believe there will be a need for faculty housing..
Perhaps that is what he is referring to..?
Reminder - this is tonight
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Originally posted by deinstein
NCTulsan - Are you from North Carolina?
Born in Tulsa. Lived in Tulsa 1969 - 1987, 1995 - 2000.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
NCTulsan:
Per my post above, would you move into that area and pay over $100,000 for a house if it wasnt in a gated community? I probably wouldnt, nor would I feel comfortable with my kid in a park in the areas nearby.
The developer has to give the people what they want, and security is MANDATORY when buying a new house. It is apparent the city cannot or will not keep vandalism and other crime down in that area nor is it willing to put in any public amenities. Why arent you damn glad that someone else is willing to do it?
I don't know the current housing prices in Tulsa (I've been away for 6 years), so I'm not sure where $100K lies in the Tulsa market. However, I would buy in that neighborhood in a heartbeat, but not if it were gated.
Not much has changed in Tulsa in 6 years. Prices went down, now they are back up. Low $100,000 buys a decent family home. This developer built one next to me that is 1650 sq ft. 2 stall, on just over 1/4 acre - $140,000. 3 bedroom, 2 bath, laundry room, dining room, vaulted ceilings, gas fireplace.... nice house imho.
Anyway, I went to look at the Tulsa Crime map (http://www.tulsapolice.org/mapcentral.html) to flame you, but that area actually isnt too bad. However, the perception is what really matters. If you cant get people to move in, you cant afford to build 33 homes. And in fact, within a mile or 2 lie some of the worst crime areas...
Anywho, Im glad someone is building new construction North of I-244.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Not much has changed in Tulsa in 6 years. Prices went down, now they are back up. Low $100,000 buys a decent family home. This developer built one next to me that is 1650 sq ft. 2 stall, on just over 1/4 acre - $140,000. 3 bedroom, 2 bath, laundry room, dining room, vaulted ceilings, gas fireplace.... nice house imho.
Anyway, I went to look at the Tulsa Crime map (http://www.tulsapolice.org/mapcentral.html) to flame you, but that area actually isnt too bad. However, the perception is what really matters. If you cant get people to move in, you cant afford to build 33 homes. And in fact, within a mile or 2 lie some of the worst crime areas...
Anywho, Im glad someone is building new construction North of I-244.
I think it has a great deal to do with the feeder schools for that area. Improving these schools will go a long way towards atracting people to this area. I am looking for a home, these are within a price range I might actually be able to afford. The gates make this development less desirable to me, but I'm probably the exception to the rule. Has there been any effort to keep these homes in the same style and character of surrounding homes in Brady Heights and Owen park or will they look more like part of OSU's campus?
Overall, this sounds like it will be a great development, and I am very encouraged to see some affordable new infill construction finally happening in a neighborhood around downtown.
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Originally posted by TheArtist
^Where?
Crosbie Heights
Here is the contact information for the developer:
Oltman Homes, Inc
Attn: Don Oltman
PO Box 471073
Tulsa, OK 74147
918-232-5033
email: oltman@sbcglobal.net
I dont know the answer to the question but I am sure he would be happy to answer an inquiry. Heck, maybe he can even give you a link to the designs or concept at least. I would be interesting in knowing.
While not directly related to the "Brady Infill".... The following is an excellent newsletter regarding "Riverfront Development" in other parts of the Globe and the USA...
Maybe a portion of the "Comprehensive Plan" could include a jump start for the Riverfront near Downtown........[:)]
Waterfront Renaissance (//%22http://www.pps.org/info/newsletter/february2007/%22)
I want to learn more but unfortunately was not able to attend the meeting. Can anyone post a brief summary of the take-home message?
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Originally posted by chica
I want to learn more but unfortunately was not able to attend the meeting. Can anyone post a brief summary of the take-home message?
chica...I could give you a link to the plan but it is a massive pdf. file.. Below is the posting before the Tulsa Now meeting at which it was discussed.. The Gentleman that spoke would be the one to contact regarding the "Take home" version of what was covered and the handouts that were distributed at the meeting..
Either him or someone in his office....
Posted - 02/19/2007 : 14:45:17
TULSANOW MEETING � Wednesday, Feb 21, 6:00 PM
Want to learn more about the future of the Brady Arts District, but don�t own a crystal ball? Then don�t miss this TulsaNow meeting. Stephen Carr from the City of Tulsa Planning Department will give a presentation on the Brady Village Infill Plan.
What: TulsaNow Meeting - Focus on Brady
When: Wednesday, Feb 21, 6:00 PM
Where: Harwelden, 2210 S. Main