A shoplifter died 24-hours after being subdued in the parking lot of the Wal-mart Supercenter on Admiral this week.
I believe this needs to be discussed and put out there so that Wal-Mart takes some action to correct this situation.
I wouldn't have taken so close a look at this story but for the fact that I have seen first-hand just how poor Wal-mart security is.
I was entering the 81st & Lewis Supercenter one night, just as security was stopping someone from leaving with a stolen 30" LCD TV.
At first I just kept walking into the store, but had to turn around and watch when I heard the arguing turn into a full-out fight.
A large, metal magazine rack got slammed to the ground inside the entry-way, right in the middle of the mini-arcade. Luckily, there were no kids playing there at the time.
The security guard failed to cuff the shoplifter, succeeding only in pinning him up against a metal parking stump just outside the door, and back-up security arrived to keep him pinned there.
A large crowd began to form to see what was happening, and many more verbal exchanges insued. Then an elderly greeter lady employee approached the crowd and said, "Ya'll go and shop now, there ain't nothin' to see here."
That only drew a few laughs.
It was pretty crazy, and at anytime the crowd could have been put in serious danger if this shoplifter had been armed.
The LCD TV sat safely inside the entry-way as this went on for several more minutes before the suspect's wife appeared and talked him into surrendering to the security guards.
Now I have no sympathy for shoplifters, but there comes a point where a business has to weigh the pros and cons of extended pursuit of a shoplifter, particularly when the merchandise has already been recovered.
That's how I see it, and for the wages the average Wal-Mart employee makes, I can't understand why any of them would put themselves in danger over store products.
But... I've also seen those store meetings they have at Sam's Club, so my theory on that is that they do a good job of actually semi-brainwashing their employees into feeling as though they are a major part of the corporation.
They need to restructure their security policies, or preferrably hire off-duty uniformed police if they are that worried about shoplifting losses, IMO.
Wal-Mart hire additional security personnel? Ha! They're too cheap to do that.
Actually, I've read that walmart has a very lenient policy.. If the value of what the shoplifter's lifting is under $25 (it might be $50, anyhow, somewhere in there), the store will just let the suspect go, no charges filed. It's just not worth their time/money to pursue.
I used to work in a supermarket when I was a student and I always thought the policy was never to run after or confront shop lifters due to the risks involved.
Can't say I'm surprised by that story though, I didn't work for Walmart.
I think there is lenient and then their is stupid. Wal-mart obviously has picked where there line is. If every shoplifter is set free after they release the merchandise, then why wouldn't you steal? That would mean everytime the guy picks up a TV, he either gets away with it, or leaves the TV. No consequences.
In this particular story, what proof do you have he only took a TV? Were his pockets full of DVD's? Was security 100% sure he had dropped everything?
So a criminal died....no big loss.
first of all if I was a shoplifter,I would have to set my sights a little higher than shoplifting at a store that you can buy a television for 99 cents!I can imagine the embarrassment of stealing from the cheapest store in world(Well maybe dollar store has them beat!)But then again thats the type of customers wally world attracts anyway!
What proof do I have that he only took a TV?? That's what the security guard stopped him for, I heard the exchange.
What happened next was dangerous, the guard should have been better trained to handle the guy or should have had back-up when he made contact with the guy.
A similiar incident went down at Super Target over some DVDs, and an employee and a shopper who tried to help were stabbed. Since then, that store--I can tell you from being there several times--has certainly upgraded its security personnel and policies.
Walmart needs to do the same. Their $7 an hour security guards are terrible and use poor judgement. In this latest incident at the Admiral Supercenter a shoplifter died.
Shoplifters deserve jail time, but not execution. What if this happened to one of your teenage children, or worse yet happened to someone over a case of mistaken identity?
Every Wal-Mart guard I've seen has been a uniformed Tulsa police officer (not counting the plainclothes people).
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
That would mean everytime the guy picks up a TV, he either gets away with it, or leaves the TV. No consequences.
Most TVs are worth more than $50. Keep it under the limit, and yes, no consequences. Well, they do "ban" you from the store.
I too find it hard to drum up sympathy for a criminal that dies as a consequence of the act.
If it is found that the Wal-Mart security guards set out to kill the poor bastard, then I will have issue. But if in the struggle he had a heart attack, or fell and hit his head, or in some other way was injured unintentionally by security the hell with him. Security guards get shot and killed trying to stop shoplifters, they are entitled to protect themselves if someone puts up a struggle and Wal-Mart is entitled to protect its property from theft.
My wife works in retail and they basically cannot do anything to stop shoplifters. They KNOW who is taking stuff and when they are taking it. They see them walk in and watch them ... item on rack, crowd of friends, item gone. Hundreds of dollars worth of merchandise. But policy wont let them do anything about it 90% of the time.
Bastards.
At some public facilities, fees of up to $25 per hour are charged for security personnel that only earn $8 per hour.
The Security Company may be charging a higher rate than they are paying the employees.
Not sure exactly where the hour amount of payment to security comes into play here. If the Security people are licensed and hold the proper CLEET Certificate, that is all that is required in Oklahoma. The rate of pay, other than the Federal Minimum Wage wich is currently $5.15 per hour, is not be a factor in the requirements of licensed professions in Oklahoma. Remember: Right to Work and Employment at Will.
Either way the autopsy should determine the cause of death. Most deaths involving a health issue like a heart attack and such are ruled accidental. Person could of been under the influence of a drug or drugs also, which could of led to their demise.
I could have a little sympathy if the man was stealing food to feed his kids,but a tv?Hes gonna sell it for crack!One less piece of crap on earth to deal with!
I do not believe the death penalty is appropriate for shoplifting. His family should have a wrongful death suit initiated.
"I do not believe the death penalty is appropriate for shoplifting. His family should have a wrongful death suit initiated."
URGH, I'm going to totally disagree with that one. If he hadn't stolen the TV, he wouldn't be dead. I'm sure he didn't intend to die when he chose to steal, but regardless, that's the consequences for his actions. OH, but I forget, we live in a society of no personal responsiblity.
I agree with Tulsa Fan...Its unfortunate that someone died,but when a person involves his or herself in a criminal activity,The risk of getting caught escalates personal injury that can occur.About 20 years ago,I was living at the falls apartments on memorial,we had a rash of thefts to vehicals.I was returning from on site laundry and caught a man stealing my stereo in my trans am.He pulled a knife on me and tried to stick me,I disarmed him and gave him a few good blows to the head,didnt want to kill him,but someone else could have.So he took a great risk,and he got caught and almost seriously hurt.
The death was almost certainly accidental and may not have been preventable. Keep in mind the guy ran head-first into the door on the way out, likely causing head injury.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
I do not believe the death penalty is appropriate for shoplifting. His family should have a wrongful death suit initiated.
That is exactly the kind of idiotic thinking that is ruining this country.
We live in a society with little corporate responsibility, as well. There are fewer lawsuits today per capita than in the 1800's.
If he ran into a door that does change things, missed that.
A jury should look at this. There was a bouncer controversy not too long ago and this may run along the same lines.
You're a bunch of hard hearted bastards. Right in the middle of the land of love and Jesus.
We know who the criminals, the drug users the red light runners are. Whey don't we just line them up and eliminate them. To hell with an organized justice oriented system of laws. We need to give them what they deserve. Of course there won't be much population left, especially if we include bankers, real estate agents, car salesmen and stock brokers. But that's just more for the rest of us who don't steal!
After all property is always more important than life isn't it?
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Originally posted by waterboy
You're a bunch of hard hearted bastards. Right in the middle of the land of love and Jesus.
We know who the criminals, the drug users the red light runners are. Whey don't we just line them up and eliminate them. To hell with an organized justice oriented system of laws. We need to give them what they deserve. Of course there won't be much population left, especially if we include bankers, real estate agents, car salesmen and stock brokers. But that's just more for the rest of us who don't steal!
After all property is always more important than life isn't it?
Property isnt worth more than life,but if we allow anyone to just take for the taking,what does that make us??
No-one said he should be killed for shoplifting, but people are generally unsympathetic when something bad happens to a person WHILE they're committing a crime. Like if your red-light runner got hit by a bus.
If I saw a red light runner get hit and killed by a bus I might be struck by the irony but totally sympathetic for him and his family. Having run red lights in my past I know that sometimes it is bad planning, inattentiveness, stress, or distress that was the cause, not an effort to steal the green light from someone else. Fortunately I lived to understand that. And I understand the first instinct to have no sympathy but this is a week later.
Mdunn, I can't say what it makes us. Tolerant? Forgiving? The laws are designed to keep criminal behavior in control, not eliminate it, so it is at a tolerable level. Every retail store projects its shrinkage (which is mostly from employees btw) and plans to minimize it.
He was a thief. So was the guy at Enron. But I wanted him to live long enough to understand what he did was wrong and make up for it. Redemption is just as powerful as revenge.
If we were really a sensetive society we would charge those security guards with murder, and set up a college scholarship fund in the guy's name. And lastly, we would put all employees through a "theft" sensetivity training program to help them understand the thief, and arm all new security personnel with nerf batons and plastic handcuffs (those metal ones are cold and can hurt).
Oh...we need a new term for "theft', as it has such a negative connotation...any ideas?
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Originally posted by iplaw
If we were really a sensetive society we would charge those security guards with murder, and set up a college scholarship fund in the guy's name. And lastly, we would put all employees through a "theft" sensetivity training program to help them understand the thief, and arm all new security personnel with nerf batons and plastic handcuffs (those metal ones are cold and can hurt).
Oh...we need a new term for "theft', as it has such a negative connotation...any ideas?
Sensitive is obviously not a word you use much. Metal handcuffs are passe' too, they use plastic cable now. My suggestion for a replacement term for "Theft" would be a variation of something they use for white collar criminals, missappropriation, deferred salary, golden parachute, fraud, embezzler etc.
Not in the context of a 5 finger discount...
Store clerk gets one year for blasting cigarrette thief (//%22http://www2.ktul.com/news/stories/0207/393883.html%22)
One year? Outrage! He should have been given a medal, right?
Tell you what Timmy...why don't you PM me your address and leave your door unlocked while you're at work today...[xx(]
I certainly would not shoot someone in the back for stealing smokes, would you? I would not put my life on the line for $6HR and choke some cracklehead to death because he is stealing a friggin TV from Wally World.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
I certainly would not shoot someone in the back for stealing smokes, would you? I would not put my life on the line for $6HR and choke some cracklehead to death because he is stealing a friggin TV from Wally World.
didnt you read what wally world does if the security doesnt beat the pulp out of shoplifters???They bring in the Arkansas mafia henchmen to torture them.The former security guards there are now greeters,once you get into the wally world mafia,your in for life!
People I know that work for Wal Mart are paid a bonus of around $100 for catching shoplifters, and people using bogus or stolen credit cards and stolen checks.
They are also paid for their time to go to court and testify. That is one of the reasons Wal Mart changed their prosecution policy for handling theft of lower priced items.
They have a state of the art Video system. They simply locate the person, then rewind the tape to see them arrive in the parking lot. Get out of their vehicle, then enter the store and do whatever it is they do. Their cameras can zoom in and read the date on a dime out in the parking lot.
Everyone that goes to a Wal Mart is on those cameras.
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Originally posted by AMP
People I know that work for Wal Mart are paid a bonus of around $100 for catching shoplifters, and people using bogus or stolen credit cards and stolen checks.
They are also paid for their time to go to court and testify. That is one of the reasons Wal Mart changed their prosecution policy for handling theft of lower priced items.
They have a state of the art Video system. They simply locate the person, then rewind the tape to see them arrive in the parking lot. Get out of their vehicle, then enter the store and do whatever it is they do. Their cameras can zoom in and read the date on a dime out in the parking lot.
Everyone that goes to a Wal Mart is on those cameras.
gee,after taxes,which is taxed higher for a bonus,the thief catcher looks to net about 60 bucks!!!Hell of an incentive to risk bodily harm!
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Originally posted by iplaw
Not in the context of a 5 finger discount...
Isn't thievery actually called conversion? My point there is that we give white collar criminals nicer names for their theft.
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Originally posted by AMP
People I know that work for Wal Mart are paid a bonus of around $100 for catching shoplifters, and people using bogus or stolen credit cards and stolen checks.
They are also paid for their time to go to court and testify. That is one of the reasons Wal Mart changed their prosecution policy for handling theft of lower priced items.
They have a state of the art Video system. They simply locate the person, then rewind the tape to see them arrive in the parking lot. Get out of their vehicle, then enter the store and do whatever it is they do. Their cameras can zoom in and read the date on a dime out in the parking lot.
Everyone that goes to a Wal Mart is on those cameras.
For me at least, that's one more good reason not to visit their stores. Doesn't make me feel safer because they are not to protect me, they are to protect their investments. Probably have them in the restrooms, changing rooms too. But they couldn't afford to clean their parking lots during the last snow storm. Well, you have to set priorities eh?
No conversion is a Tort principle. The yahoo that steals from Wally World is guilty of Larceny, but the definitions change from jurisdiction to jurisdiction (Larceny, Theft, etc.).
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Doesn't make me feel safer because they are not to protect me, they are to protect their investments.
I guess you'll be hiding your money under your mattress instead of putting it in the bank then, because I'm pretty sure that the security guard at the bank isn't there to work bodyguard detail for you when you're there...
I prefer to do my shoplifting at goodwill or salvation army,few employees to catch me,no security cameras,and most of the items there where previously stolen.But the odor in store is a little uncomfortable at times!
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Doesn't make me feel safer because they are not to protect me, they are to protect their investments.
I guess you'll be hiding your money under your mattress instead of putting it in the bank then, because I'm pretty sure that the security guard at the bank isn't there to work bodyguard detail for you when you're there...
That's arguable. I'm probably more at risk from the execs there stealing than I am from a gun toting robber anyway. Nonetheless I doubt they have them in the restrooms.
Geez, you give bank employees far too much credit...[;)] And the thought of wally world toilet cams just made me wish I hadn't eaten lunch...thanks.
I once found a hiddin cam in the fruit of the loom underwear section,it was disquised as the grapes!
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Originally posted by mdunn
I once found a hiddin cam in the fruit of the loom underwear section,it was disquised as the grapes!
No grapes for me now.
BTW my wife asked me the other day about those cams on the traffic lights. I couldn't remember. Do they record red light runners and send them tickets ala the pike pass cams?
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by mdunn
I once found a hiddin cam in the fruit of the loom underwear section,it was disquised as the grapes!
No grapes for me now.
BTW my wife asked me the other day about those cams on the traffic lights. I couldn't remember. Do they record red light runners and send them tickets ala the pike pass cams?
In some citys they do,but I think for the most part they are in place for traffic monitoring,I knew a guy that installed them in fT WORTH,in Minneapolis for instance,they allow traffic control to report any accidents which would be posted on a roadside board to warn travelers about upcomming conjestion.
Otherwise refered to as "THE MAN" so if ya ever wanna stick it to "THE MAN" get out and quickly moon the cam![}:)]
KJRH reports shoplifter was not breathing when cops arrived. (//%22http://2worksforyou.com/news/stories/walmartdeath.shtml%22)
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
KJRH reports shoplifter was not breathing when cops arrived. (//%22http://2worksforyou.com/news/stories/walmartdeath.shtml%22)
Someone's already mentioned this, but now this does indeed sound very similiar to the bouncer incident we had at a downtown club.
Executed at a Wal-Mart.
Its a crazy world. I won't be back to Wal-mart unless they make some major changes.
its a sad ending of a life,but he did commit a crime,and when ya do a crime you risk that sort of thing.
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Originally posted by wavoka
So a criminal died....no big loss.
thats what I was thinking. anything to make criminals think twice, im for it.
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Originally posted by waterboy
BTW my wife asked me the other day about those cams on the traffic lights. I couldn't remember. Do they record red light runners and send them tickets ala the pike pass cams?
Those are the "machine eyes" for the traffic signals, replacing road sensors at intersections. "Red Light Cameras" have been denounced by AAA and others for their misrepresentation and abuse, and arent legal in Oklahoma since you have to be a person (not a car) to commit a moving violation.
Actually the videos help prevent loss.
Loss Prevention can manifest in various forms.
You are probally safer shopping and doing business in an environment that most of the public knows has Video running 24/7 than at other locations where there is no video present or video in low light even if there were.
Still yet, people have pulled off some very blazen acts at the Wal Mart stores that were captured on Video.
Forms of Loss Prevention Using Video
1. Slip and Fall
2. Injury of other nature
3. Personal Assault
4. Theft
5. Malicious Damage
6. Graffiti
7. Auto Theft
8. Vandalism
9. Bagging by Cashier - Not processing the merchandise through the cash register.
10. Buggy Swapping - Loading two buggies with identical merchandise, purchasing a set of the same, then returning moments later and leaving with the second cart of merchandise using the first receipt.
Public places of business are targets of people with the propensity to look for an easy form of income.
Multi-Cam Security Loss Prevention Case
Back-Masking Has Another Meaning Here
A man claimed he slipped and fell on paint that was spilled on the floor of a Wal Mart. Wal Mart store management and security looked where the paint was and the accident scene. Sure enough there was spilled paint, foot prints and what appeard to be marks that looked as if someone had fallen down there. They then reviewed the Video of the incident, and the man had slipped on spilled paint and taken a bad fall.
However, when they ran the video in reverse, it revealed that the man was not the only person in that area within the past several minutes. Another man had walked up and opened the paint can, and poured it on the floor prior to this guy slipping on it.
Running other cameras in the store tape further backward, and following the man that spilled the paint, it reveals that there where three men that arrived at various times through the front door. Following one back out to the parking lot, the tape shows all three getting out of the SAME CAR in the parking lot.
That is one simple method of multi camera Loss Prevention. The man that claimed the slip and fall personal injury accident was prosecuted on Insurance Fraud charges.
So it is not always the merchandise businesses are protecting. It is Liability Insurance Claims as well.
You be the Jury...
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Originally posted by patric
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Originally posted by waterboy
BTW my wife asked me the other day about those cams on the traffic lights. I couldn't remember. Do they record red light runners and send them tickets ala the pike pass cams?
Those are the "machine eyes" for the traffic signals, replacing road sensors at intersections. "Red Light Cameras" have been denounced by AAA and others for their misrepresentation and abuse, and arent legal in Oklahoma since you have to be a person (not a car) to commit a moving violation.
Thanks Patrick. That makes sense.
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Originally posted by AMP
Actually the videos help prevent loss.
Loss Prevention can manifest in various forms.
You are probally safer shopping and doing business in an environment that most of the public knows has Video running 24/7 than at other locations where there is no video present or video in low light even if there were.
Still yet, people have pulled off some very blazen acts at the Wal Mart stores that were captured on Video.
Forms of Loss Prevention Using Video
1. Slip and Fall
2. Injury of other nature
3. Personal Assault
4. Theft
5. Malicious Damage
6. Graffiti
7. Auto Theft
8. Vandalism
9. Bagging by Cashier - Not processing the merchandise through the cash register.
10. Buggy Swapping - Loading two buggies with identical merchandise, purchasing a set of the same, then returning moments later and leaving with the second cart of merchandise using the first receipt.
Public places of business are targets of people with the propensity to look for an easy form of income.
Multi-Cam Security Loss Prevention Case
Back-Masking Has Another Meaning Here
A man claimed he slipped and fell on paint that was spilled on the floor of a Wal Mart. Wal Mart store management and security looked where the paint was and the accident scene. Sure enough there was spilled paint, foot prints and what appeard to be marks that looked as if someone had fallen down there. They then reviewed the Video of the incident, and the man had slipped on spilled paint and taken a bad fall.
However, when they ran the video in reverse, it revealed that the man was not the only person in that area within the past several minutes. Another man had walked up and opened the paint can, and poured it on the floor prior to this guy slipping on it.
Running other cameras in the store tape further backward, and following the man that spilled the paint, it reveals that there where three men that arrived at various times through the front door. Following one back out to the parking lot, the tape shows all three getting out of the SAME CAR in the parking lot.
That is one simple method of multi camera Loss Prevention. The man that claimed the slip and fall personal injury accident was prosecuted on Insurance Fraud charges.
So it is not always the merchandise businesses are protecting. It is Liability Insurance Claims as well.
You be the Jury...
Good uses of security cams. I'm sure WalMart makes a tasty target for such scams. As long as there not in the bathrooms and changing rooms I'm okay with it.
Still, most shrink (retail theft) is at the hands of employees. The cams don't do so well there. Usually an alliance of key personnel in shipping/receiving, vengeful former employees or employees of the contracting companies who worked on the building. The last retail I worked at a thief entered through the a/c duct on the roof, cut the security cables and proceeded to round up the laptops. He missed one backup cable that alerted the police who arrived in less than 10min. Still, he escaped.
These thieves had targeted all our stores in different cities, learning each stores weakness and attacking it in different ways. They have been quite successful. Word from authorities is they know who the leader is and his group but have been unable to catch them in the act. Cams would be useless except to aid in redesign.
No tears shed here for the thief.....
A home-owner gunned down a would be intruder Sunday. The bad guy died in the driveway after being blasted with a 16-gauge shotgun!
That kind of story makes me happy. One less home-invasion crook on the loose is very good news.
One less shoplifter, killed by Wal-mart workers...
uhmmm... not so much.
I'd rather there be shoplifters on the loose than dime-store employees with a license to kill over merchandise.
What kind of world are we living in, folks?
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Originally posted by South_Tulsan
A home-owner gunned down a would be intruder Sunday. The bad guy died in the driveway after being blasted with a 16-gauge shotgun!
That kind of story makes me happy. One less home-invasion crook on the loose is very good news.
One less shoplifter, killed by Wal-mart workers...
Where does it say they killed him......
uhmmm... not so much.
I'd rather there be shoplifters on the loose than dime-store employees with a license to kill over merchandise.
What kind of world are we living in, folks?
How can anyone with a conscience go inside a Wal-Mart or Sam's in the first place? See http://www.wakeupwalmart.com/facts/ for details, and please stop shopping (or shoplifting) there.
To breadburner:
The article I read stated that when police arrived the suspect was handcuffed and not breathing.
So if they didn't kill him, then what? At the very least the security guard was too dumb to know the guy had stopped breathing, and failed to give aid at that point or call an ambulance.
And all this over what? I don't know of anything inside a Wal-mart store that is worth killing someone over.
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Originally posted by South_Tulsan
A home-owner gunned down a would be intruder Sunday. The bad guy died in the driveway after being blasted with a 16-gauge shotgun!
That kind of story makes me happy. One less home-invasion crook on the loose is very good news.
One less shoplifter, killed by Wal-mart workers...
uhmmm... not so much.
I'd rather there be shoplifters on the loose than dime-store employees with a license to kill over merchandise.
What kind of world are we living in, folks?
Home invaders start their criminal careers shoplifting,so why not get them early!
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Originally posted by mdunn
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Originally posted by South_Tulsan
A home-owner gunned down a would be intruder Sunday. The bad guy died in the driveway after being blasted with a 16-gauge shotgun!
That kind of story makes me happy. One less home-invasion crook on the loose is very good news.
One less shoplifter, killed by Wal-mart workers...
uhmmm... not so much.
I'd rather there be shoplifters on the loose than dime-store employees with a license to kill over merchandise.
What kind of world are we living in, folks?
Home invaders start their criminal careers shoplifting,so why not get them early!
Most of them started their lives drinking milk. Very strong correlation. Why not catch them at the very start?
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Originally posted by South_Tulsan
To breadburner:
The article I read stated that when police arrived the suspect was handcuffed and not breathing.
So if they didn't kill him, then what? At the very least the security guard was too dumb to know the guy had stopped breathing, and failed to give aid at that point or call an ambulance.
And all this over what? I don't know of anything inside a Wal-mart store that is worth killing someone over.
Well, the employees are pretty valuable.
People still shop at Wal-Mart? Seriously?
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Originally posted by BKDotCom
Actually, I've read that walmart has a very lenient policy.. If the value of what the shoplifter's lifting is under $25 (it might be $50, anyhow, somewhere in there), the store will just let the suspect go, no charges filed. It's just not worth their time/money to pursue.
The "lenient policy" was not entirely quoted acurately. Providing the offender does not have any previous shoplifting under his belt, will he get to walk away. Most retailers are a part of a retailer's online network that enables them to see if the offender has a record. If he is a repeat offender, the police will be called. If he does not have a record, he/she may be ordered to attend our shoplifting course while the stores reserve the right to prosecute should they not go through with the class. The question does remain, however: "Is that $25.00 with or without tax?"
There are many reasons why people do what they do. Should we discount them? Shuffle them under a rug? Pretend they do not exist? Whether a person steals as a result of "reasons," stealing can be a symptom....or a problem, which leads to more stealing. Because I do get to see the statistics, and theft is on the rise. Stealing is a silent crime that is starting to get a full assessment and will be dealt with, according to the law.
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Originally posted by South_Tulsan
To breadburner:
The article I read stated that when police arrived the suspect was handcuffed and not breathing.
So if they didn't kill him, then what? At the very least the security guard was too dumb to know the guy had stopped breathing, and failed to give aid at that point or call an ambulance.
And all this over what? I don't know of anything inside a Wal-mart store that is worth killing someone over.
My bet is coronary artery disease from a lifetime of poor choices....Who's fault is that.....?