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Title: Open your hand to the poor
Post by: rhymnrzn on January 25, 2007, 09:39:27 AM
Alot of poor brothers and sisters are in need of a year of release, when the poor are satisfied liberally, and the working class are loosed from debts and burdens.  Besides being a commandment in love, a coordinated effort would prevent worse things from happening.  

Do good, or do evil, heck, kick against it, and be strong while you do it!
Title: Open your hand to the poor
Post by: Steve on January 25, 2007, 10:10:19 AM
Huh?
Title: Open your hand to the poor
Post by: jdb on January 25, 2007, 10:11:58 AM
"I totally don't know what that means, but I want it." - line from a TV commercial.

Thinking about now I could use a "year of release" myself, jdb
Title: Open your hand to the poor
Post by: rhymnrzn on January 25, 2007, 10:25:02 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Steve

Huh?



Ever read about the year of release?  It is refered to in various places throughout the Bible.  Get your King James Version and read Exodus 23:10-11, Leviticus 25:1-7, Deuteronomy 15, Jeremiah 34:8-20.
Title: Open your hand to the poor
Post by: Steve on January 25, 2007, 10:48:13 AM
quote:
Originally posted by rhymnrzn

quote:
Originally posted by Steve

Huh?



Ever read about the year of release?  It is refered to in various places throughout the Bible.  Get your King James Version and read Exodus 23:10-11, Leviticus 25:1-7, Deuteronomy 15, Jeremiah 34:8-20.



No, I have not heard of it.  I was raised Roman Catholic and taught the King James Version is heresy; I don't own one.  I do have the true Bible, the Douay Bible, and will check it out.  (I am trying to inject some humor here, so no religious rants please.)
Title: Open your hand to the poor
Post by: RecycleMichael on January 25, 2007, 10:56:47 AM
quote:
Thinking about now I could use a "year of release" myself, jdb


I doubt you could sit up, let alone type after a year. Don't try it, jdb.
Title: Open your hand to the poor
Post by: Steve on January 25, 2007, 11:06:03 AM
quote:
Originally posted by recyclemichael

quote:
Thinking about now I could use a "year of release" myself, jdb


I doubt you could sit up, let alone type after a year. Don't try it, jdb.



I was thinking the same thing, but didn't have the guts to post it.  I assume we are referring to the more prurient definition of "release" here.
Title: Open your hand to the poor
Post by: jdb on January 25, 2007, 11:37:32 AM
"I assume we are referring to the more prurient definition of "release" here." - Steve


Thaz wat I'm talkin' bout!
Got a call into my eye doctor just in case, jdb

Punctuation note to Steve: -2 for using double quotation mark's inside a quotation.

Title: Open your hand to the poor
Post by: Steve on January 25, 2007, 12:44:52 PM
Note to rhymnrzn, we don't mean to trivialize or belittle your original post.  Just having some innocent fun here.  I will check my Bible (Rome approved, Catholic version of course!) and enlighten myself; I assume your post is about charity and providing for the poor and less fortunate.
Title: Open your hand to the poor
Post by: rhymnrzn on January 25, 2007, 01:07:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Steve

Note to rhymnrzn, we don't mean to trivialize or belittle your original post.  Just having some innocent fun here.  I will check my Bible (Rome approved, Catholic version of course!) and enlighten myself; I assume your post is about charity and providing for the poor and less fortunate.




Note to steve: take heed to the voice of your one Shepherd and Lord Jesus Christ, and not a man, and you shall do well.
Title: Open your hand to the poor
Post by: pmcalk on January 25, 2007, 02:30:24 PM
Being one of the very few religious facts of which I am aware, I'll take a stab at explaining.  According to old testament tradition, Jews were obligated to forgive all debts & trespasses every seven years.  Seven is very symbolic in Jewish tradition--obviously the seventh day is the Sabath, but also every seven years farmers were required to not farm their fields, but instead spend the year studying the Torah.  Seven is the number associated with all cycles--after seven, each person is given the opportunity to start anew.  If you didn't know, some of our laws follow that tradition--you can only file for bankruptcy every 7 years.

I recall in the year 2000, many religious organizations were pushing for third-world debt relief, in the Jewish tradition.  Bono was a big proponent of the "Jubilee year."  Now that it 2007, I presume the push will be made again.
Title: Open your hand to the poor
Post by: Steve on January 25, 2007, 02:38:02 PM
Thank you pmcalk for the explanation.  I am aware of the details you explained, I have never heard it referred to "year of release" before, and your analogies to current laws are most interesting.
Title: Open your hand to the poor
Post by: inteller on January 25, 2007, 04:35:55 PM
backhand as opposed to a fist?  sure ill open my hand then.  never seen a genuinely poor person go without here.  ive seen a lot of handout asking bums though.
Title: Open your hand to the poor
Post by: Steve on January 25, 2007, 05:17:45 PM
quote:
Originally posted by inteller

backhand as opposed to a fist?  sure ill open my hand then.  never seen a genuinely poor person go without here.  ive seen a lot of handout asking bums though.



Most of inteller's posts on these forums seem so bitter, mean-spirited, and downright hateful.  Get some professional help, inteller.  You obviously have issues that could benefit from professional counseling.
Title: Open your hand to the poor
Post by: TheArtist on January 25, 2007, 06:01:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by pmcalk

Being one of the very few religious facts of which I am aware, I'll take a stab at explaining.  According to old testament tradition, Jews were obligated to forgive all debts & trespasses every seven years.  Seven is very symbolic in Jewish tradition--obviously the seventh day is the Sabath, but also every seven years farmers were required to not farm their fields, but instead spend the year studying the Torah.  Seven is the number associated with all cycles--after seven, each person is given the opportunity to start anew.  If you didn't know, some of our laws follow that tradition--you can only file for bankruptcy every 7 years.

I recall in the year 2000, many religious organizations were pushing for third-world debt relief, in the Jewish tradition.  Bono was a big proponent of the "Jubilee year."  Now that it 2007, I presume the push will be made again.



Aaah so perhaps thats where the "7 years after a bad credit incident, your record is cleared", came from[:P]
Title: Open your hand to the poor
Post by: rhymnrzn on January 26, 2007, 01:50:17 AM
To the sediment that we already have a seven year debt system, and that we have no lack among the genuine poor:  there's alot more to a year of release than possessions: the abundance of life is not contained in possessions.  

In proclaiming a year of liberty every man to his brother, we are not going to turn and cast bankruptcy proceedures on their shoulders, or any other unnecessary yokes on anybody anywhere, rich or poor, in the office or in the field.  

And beyond having no lack, the year of liberty to all the corners of the world is enabling the poor so that they too may choose to travel to  gather, as the Word also gives a good pattern for people to assemble in three feasts, to pay devotions to God, and to build booths.  A righteous and coordinated effort would let everyone devote the year to what they like, God willing.