I found this quote earlier today:
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"As emphatically as I can, I swear to you that that area on the Arkansas River known as Tallasi by the Cherokee tribes is quite possibly the finest place I have ever seen in my travels. It is there that I felt closest to our Creator as I watched the sun rise across the foothills, creating a golden heaven as my eyes bathed in it's ethereal beauty."
- Meriwether Lewis, Journals, 1807, regarding his travels through the area of Tallasi (Tulsa).
I have to say, I agree... (though, today that golden heaven might be pollution from the refineries [;)])
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Originally posted by DScott28604
I found this quote earlier today:
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"As emphatically as I can, I swear to you that that area on the Arkansas River known as Tallasi by the Cherokee tribes is quite possibly the finest place I have ever seen in my travels. It is there that I felt closest to our Creator as I watched the sun rise across the foothills, creating a golden heaven as my eyes bathed in it's ethereal beauty."
- Meriwether Lewis, Journals, 1807, regarding his travels through the area of Tallasi (Tulsa).
I have to say, I agree... (though, today that golden heaven might be pollution from the refineries [;)])
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but I'm a little suspicious about that quote.
First, this area was not known as Talassi in 1807. The early Creek (not Cherokee) settlers who gave it that name came here in the late 1820s and 1830s.
Second, Lewis's and Clark's expedition didn't venture this far south. (See this map (//%22http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/lewisandclark/images/map1.jpg%22).) Though it's possible that Lewis visited the area while settled in St. Louis as governor of the Louisiana Territory, Zebulon Pike's 1806 expedition up the Arkansas (and more specifically Lt. James Biddle Wilkinson's 1806-07 expedition (//%22http://www.zebulonpike.org/maps/ZebulonMontgomeryPike-EntireRoute.pdf%22) down river) is one of the earliest recorded non-Indian explorations of the river.
Do you have a cite?
There are a couple of Historical Markers in the neighborhood South of Owen Park. I believe Pocahontas is mentioned on one of the engraved stones there. Can't recall what the other inscriptions are. I will try to drive by there tomorrow and read them.
Anyone know about those markers?
There is a Washington Irving monument at the corner of Easton and Vancouver near Owen Park
Yes, Washington Irving -- who travelled through here in 1832. It was an arduous trip then (according to his book, "A Tour on the Prairies (//%22http://www.amazon.com/Tour-Prairies-Washington-Irving/dp/141910375X/sr=1-11/qid=1167797509/ref=sr_1_11/103-7762778-5723002?ie=UTF8&s=books%22)"), which makes me a little skeptical about the 1807 quote.
Yes it is Washington Irving.
The Monuments are on the street where the Braums is off of Gilcrease Drive. Exit off 412 at Gilcrease, turn north, then right at the Braums.
I believe that street is Independence and the monuments are around Waco or just East of there.
Anyone interested should take a digital camera to preserve the inscription as they are beginning to show signs of vandalism and graffiti. May not be long before they are torn down, crashed into by a DUI Driver, or destroyed by culture change.
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Originally posted by AMP
Yes it is Washington Irving.
The Monuments are on the street where the Braums is off of Gilcrease Drive. Exit off 412 at Gilcrease, turn north, then right at the Braums.
I believe that street is Independence and the monuments are around Waco or just East of there.
Actually Recycle is correct... It is Vancouver and Easton Street....
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Anyone interested should take a digital camera to preserve the inscription as they are beginning to show signs of vandalism and graffiti. May not be long before they are torn down, crashed into by a DUI Driver,
Actually... The DUI portion of the story already happened about 4 years ago.. "Drunk teenage girl driving a rent a car being pursued by Police."
Had it not been for some very wonderful people the statue would no longer be there. It had to be taken apart in many fractured pieces hauled away... restored and then re-assembled in the same location... Had it not been for Volunteers.. It would be
dust.......
Mister LaFortuna sure as Hell didn't care to hear about it... He was too busy watching the Skelly being torn down..
Interesting side note......
One of Mayor Taylor's close friends lives within spitting distance of that Statue.
I believe the historical monuments I refer to are not a statue, but are pillars with white stone slates on the sides with engraved inscriptions.
Think we are talking about two different objects. I will try to get by there today with my digital camera and take photos of all I can find.
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Originally posted by Kiah
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Originally posted by DScott28604
I found this quote earlier today:
quote:
"As emphatically as I can, I swear to you that that area on the Arkansas River known as Tallasi by the Cherokee tribes is quite possibly the finest place I have ever seen in my travels. It is there that I felt closest to our Creator as I watched the sun rise across the foothills, creating a golden heaven as my eyes bathed in it's ethereal beauty."
- Meriwether Lewis, Journals, 1807, regarding his travels through the area of Tallasi (Tulsa).
I have to say, I agree... (though, today that golden heaven might be pollution from the refineries [;)])
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but I'm a little suspicious about that quote.
First, this area was not known as Talassi in 1807. The early Creek (not Cherokee) settlers who gave it that name came here in the late 1820s and 1830s.
Second, Lewis's and Clark's expedition didn't venture this far south. (See this map (//%22http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/lewisandclark/images/map1.jpg%22).) Though it's possible that Lewis visited the area while settled in St. Louis as governor of the Louisiana Territory, Zebulon Pike's 1806 expedition up the Arkansas (and more specifically Lt. James Biddle Wilkinson's 1806-07 expedition (//%22http://www.zebulonpike.org/maps/ZebulonMontgomeryPike-EntireRoute.pdf%22) down river) is one of the earliest recorded non-Indian explorations of the river.
Do you have a cite?
There is a similar word, used by the Cherokee I think, Talasah, that may have been common at that time. Chusto Talasah means "caving banks" which the Arkansas river is well known for. Though it is usually attributed to the Bird Creek battle during the civil war, it is actually a descriptive word rather than a place name. Note that many native american words for communities end in the "a" or "ah" suffix. Okemah, Tahlequah, Coweta, Catoosa. According to some it may refer to proximity to a river. I profess no extraordinary knowledge of the subject, just some research and discussion with Cherokee friends.
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Originally posted by DScott28604
I found this quote earlier today:
quote:
"As emphatically as I can, I swear to you that that area on the Arkansas River known as Tallasi by the Cherokee tribes is quite possibly the finest place I have ever seen in my travels. It is there that I felt closest to our Creator as I watched the sun rise across the foothills, creating a golden heaven as my eyes bathed in it's ethereal beauty."
- Meriwether Lewis, Journals, 1807, regarding his travels through the area of Tallasi (Tulsa).
I have to say, I agree... (though, today that golden heaven might be pollution from the refineries [;)])
1807? lewis? in tulsa? no way...
granted, shortly thereafter he went bat**** crazy so maybe he just made it up... i know of no record of him in the area... for all the reasons everyone posted here, i doubt the veracity of the quote...
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Originally posted by waterboy
There is a similar word, used by the Cherokee I think, Talasah, that may have been common at that time. Chusto Talasah means "caving banks" which the Arkansas river is well known for. Though it is usually attributed to the Bird Creek battle during the civil war, it is actually a descriptive word rather than a place name. Note that many native american words for communities end in the "a" or "ah" suffix. Okemah, Tahlequah, Coweta, Catoosa. According to some it may refer to proximity to a river. I profess no extraordinary knowledge of the subject, just some research and discussion with Cherokee friends.
Maybe, but the Cherokee were still firmly at home in the southeast in 1807. They wouldn't have known what is now the Arkansas from the Nile.
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Originally posted by Kiah
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Originally posted by waterboy
There is a similar word, used by the Cherokee I think, Talasah, that may have been common at that time. Chusto Talasah means "caving banks" which the Arkansas river is well known for. Though it is usually attributed to the Bird Creek battle during the civil war, it is actually a descriptive word rather than a place name. Note that many native american words for communities end in the "a" or "ah" suffix. Okemah, Tahlequah, Coweta, Catoosa. According to some it may refer to proximity to a river. I profess no extraordinary knowledge of the subject, just some research and discussion with Cherokee friends.
Maybe, but the Cherokee were still firmly at home in the southeast in 1807. They wouldn't have known what is now the Arkansas from the Nile.
Yeah, the date doesn't work.
I'm trying to verify, and will let you know what I find.
I thought the quote may have come from Washington Irving. It is a great quote and would be applicable today had we not all the refineries and power plants .... oh well, dat's progress.
Here's a similar quote from Washington Irving, passing through an area near what is now Gilcrease Museum, on October 12, 1832:
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We were overshadowed by lofty trees, with straight, smooth trunks, like stately columns; and as the glancing rays of the sun shone through the transparent leaves, tinted with the many-colored hues of autumn, I was reminded of the effect of sunshine among the stained windows and clustering columns of a Gothic cathedral. Indeed there is a grandeur and solemnity in our spacious forests of the West, that awaken in me the same feeling I have experienced in those vast and venerable piles, and the sound of the wind sweeping through them, supplies occassionally the deep breathings of the organ.
If you haven't read it, "A Tour on the Prairies" is a great portrait of this area in its 'natural' state.
Or, as the Vikings said when they came to Oklahoma:
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Originally posted by PonderInc
Or, as the Vikings said when they came to Oklahoma:
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Translation: "Comfortably Cosmopolitan"[:D]
Well, now you've runed a perfectly good topic.
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Skoal!