Something really needs to be done with that property.....and by done with I DO NOT MEAN A PARKING LOT!
How bout a skating rink!
How about a Mental Ward? You'd have to put a 10' "privacy fence" around it with razor wire. I know that sounds "Crazy" but it just might work.
That whole 11th & Denver area could use a bit of TLC. The whole area is eyesore asphalt and cement. Empty decaying parking lots. There should be some sort of initiative to tear it all up and put in grass and a few happy trees. I think that'd be more inviting to develop. (same goes with the east-whatever-it's-called Nordam area)
Let free enterprise take care of it you with the public type edited attitudes. Dan Schusterman's estate is quite large and I am sure Paul Wilson is bright. NOT YOUR PROBLEMO!
You don't like the way it looks call Jack Paige at the COT. He's worthless but that is the department to whine to...
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Glad that really stupid idea for an old style library failed there.... the one they had designed would already be technically obsolete.
Remember that scuzzy bar that used to be on the corner? This thread is beginning to look like a fight that started in the bar and spilled out on the street!
A street fightin' man....(love keith and Mick)
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I remember that bar. That was actually a landmark. They tore the whole corner out.
They closed the Safeway because all they sold there was beer and Listerine.
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I think he means that maybe you're still wet behind the ears, or naive, or something like that.
Please, lets be more civil on here.
Here we go again, the TN Power Brokers set sights on another location?
Earlier post omitted cigarette sales.
Tough location for anything but how about someone pony up some cash, dump nine times that into the project, leap through the City hoops - for what? years? - paint it pink, and maybe you'll have yourself a write-off, no?
As long as the roof is mostly water tight - let it sit and to hell with being civil, jdb
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Saw Steve Kitchell in the parking lot of that old Safeway last week.....Midnight Rodeo Downtown..Maybe....Probably would be a good draw from west of town...
What the hell? All I did was post that something needed to be done with that lot. Looks like a prime area for redevelopment to me.
edited Hardly....I doubt you will find many people more conservative, and by that I mean old time REAL conservative, than me on this board.
I drive by that location 2 or 3 times a week and it pains me to see it just sitting there wasting away.
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Originally posted by wavoka
Something really needs to be done with that property.....and by done with I DO NOT MEAN A PARKING LOT!
Someone ought to look into reopening it as a grocery store. It is a small building by today's grocery store standards, but there are a lot of people that live in a .5-1.5 mile radius of that location. Unless my memory is bad, the closest grocery store is the Albertsons at 41st & Peoria or maybe Petty's at Utica Square. I would think a nice, reasonably priced grocery like a Reasors would thrive there, if they can keep the "undesireable" elements in check. I am sure the nearby residents would be thankfull.
There are lots of lots just sitting there empty all over the east,west and north sides and even a few south....probably, more to come. You'd think with the arena just a mile to the north the whole town would be falling over themselves trying to redevelop it.....
I think everyone should refer to the plan from the Tulsa Community Foundation. There's a lot of money in the Step Up Tulsa plan that would go to a "research library", $80 million for a downtown facility that would be part of the city-county system. The foundation basically wants build what the voters turned down and my guess is that Shusterman's will still donate the same land to a research library that they were going to for the Grand Central Library.
Word was during the vote for the "Grand Central" that they were then going to develop the large amount of land they own in this area into a brownstone style residential development with some limited retail on Denver Ave. I do not have "insider" information, but I don't think that plan is dead.
http://www.tulsacf.org/about_facts.asp
http://www.stepuptulsa.com/recommendations.asp
I hate to sound some others on the board, but, in Tulsa you often get to make a buck with one hand while doing good with the other, this may well be a case of that.
I'm actually fine with that so long as they don't ask for $600 million in new taxes for it.
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I remember that bar. That was actually a landmark. They tore the whole corner out.
That was the Cognito Inn, aka "The Cog." In it's heyday directions to Downtown Tulsa were often given along the line of 'take Riverside North to Denver and at Cog Corner you...'
I don't think so....the cog was on the land to the north by City Plaza Apartments on the north west corner of Denver and 11th....
The other bar mentioned was on the south east corner....it was scary.
Please avoid personal insults.
Downtown cannot become a liveable place without basic necessities. A grocery store WILL have to return to downtown sooner or later. Might as well be this location, but I think an even smaller "mareket" type store could do well down in the Deco district maybe. After all, there will be plenty of lofts going in there.
I think the skating rink idea is actually a good one. We need more places for the young and young-at-heart to go, especially for exercise and entertainment during the colder months. Roller City in Broken Arrow is doing extremely well. And let's face it, there is just not much to do in this town besides eat and watch movies. [}:)]
So, a deleted insult from a moderator? Can we change that moniker to "insider"?
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So, a deleted insult from a moderator? Can we change that moniker to "insider"?
Only if we can change yours to dickhead
And you are
another reason why Tulsa sucks.
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I don't think so....the cog was on the land to the north by City Plaza Apartments on the north west corner of Denver and 11th....
The other bar mentioned was on the south east corner....it was scary.
You are correct... The Bar on the Southeast corner was called "Bowen's Lounge"..
Think it was in the movie "Outsiders".
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y179/rico2/bowen1.jpg)
Great job Rico!
I was wracking my brain trying to think of the place. I could see the black and white tile and everything but couldn't remember the name.
Here is a story written right before they tore it down...
http://tulsatvmemories.com/11denver.html
As a resident of the area, I'd like to see a grocery store.
Grocery store for sure, but not in the current building. Tear it down and build an urban grocery store that fronts Denver Ave. with parking and a secondary entrance in the back. The old Homeland was so old and dumpy, that was one of the main reasons it closed. There are plenty of residents of nearby Riverview, Uptown, and yes downtown that would love a store here. A store alone would make south downtown more attractive to residential development, especially around what is already there with Central Park towers and Renaissance, as well as possible student housing around TCC's Metro campus just a few blocks to the east.
That area should all magically transform into a wonderful modern technologically inovative designs soon.
Afterall it is the Best Economy in 50 Years.
Sure can tell it by most areas of Tulsa. NOT
While back a developer wanted to transform the South side of 11th Street across from Home Depot into a modern shopping mall/court yard shops area. Of course he got shot down by INCOG and Downtown Tulsa Ulimited. Must not of Fit their MASTER PLAN. Gota love all thes mysterious MASTER PLANS that float all around. LOL
When was the last time you saw a new vehicle with a dealer tag in the window driving around in Tulsa North of 71st Street?
Speaking of Master Plans here is a view of the Expo Square thing. Notice the White areas on the map.
http://www.vision2025.info/project.php?project=exposquaremasterplan;category=exposquare
http://www.vision2025.info/includes/categories/exposquare/projects/exposquaremasterplan/bigimage1.jpg
Some of the film crew in one of the films shot here lived in those brick apartments near the Bowen Lounge. Matt Dilion's younger brother used to hang out there with the troups, he refered to Matt as "my brother, the actor."
Actually the people going in and out of the Bowen Lounge were most likely locals of the DTA, or people that worked downtown.
Just like in most parts of Tulsa today, everyone looks scary or like a criminal if they are standing in front of a buliding that looks like that one.
In most areas of Tulsa the City/County an't afford to have the grass mowed on a regular basis, and the City can't afford to either turn on all the street lights or replace the burned out bulbs, so you are seen walking along in 4 foot high grass along a dimly lit broken up sidewalk. Not to mention the giant neglected pot holes in the majority of the streets.
Tulsa is in the worst shape I have seen it in the past 50 years and getting worse each and every day.
I am going to set up a web site featuring all the Closed For Sale - For Rent - Available run down buildings in Tulsa. Many that are owned by Buck Myers. Photos of the Giant Pot Hole neglected streets, the highway and city street lamps not burning, the grass un-mowed, public City/County Park pools sitting neglected and empty, and call it BestEconomyIn50Years.com
I remember when sales tax was 2% here and the City was in 100% better shape. You could buy 48cents worth of goods at the store and there was Zero Tax. Started at 50 cents and then it was only 1 cent. Now it is 10%.
When I first started working I could by for an hours worth of minimum wage work when I was 14, 30 bottles of soda pop at the convienence store cold. They cost 3cents each, and a nickle if you took them out of the store with the 2cent deposit. There was no tax if you bought 48 cents worth a couple of times.
1.25 per hour after income taxes was about 1.00 take home or $40 in a week. I bought a brand new Honda motorcycle by saving up 5 weeks pay checks. Today the lobbists have created mandatory liability insurance, we did not need that then, nor a helmet or a Safety Inspection Sticker. Oklahoma Motorcycle Tag ran $8.50 for a 50cc Honda or a 1,200 Harley Davidson, and your drivers license was $1.25 for 4 years. Gasoline then was 17 cents per gallon at the intersection of 61st and Memorial in a small store that sat caty-wampus on the NE corner.
Today the insurance alone would take 30 weeks work at minimum wage to pay for. Gasoline took 90 years to reach 99 cents per gallon, but in less than 5 years it went form 99cents to over $3.00 per gallon. No wonder we all are broke and the Nation is in debt. DUH
Best Economy In 50 Years..... For Who?
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I emailed the City regarding giant holes in the street by my office. They sent a man out back in July to look at it. He called and said it was the worse he has ever seen. Said he would be back next week to take care of it. Never came, and I never heard back. Emailed again and was told the street ends 1,000 feet before the end of the street and it is not the City's? Although it has a street sign that indicates it is the street? Typically Tulsa deal.
The OU Urban Design Studio did a terrific study of the Denver "corridor" between downtown and the river in its "Downtown/River Link" plan. http://tulsagrad.ou.edu/studio/currentwork/currentwork.htm
It's full of great insights and ideas for this area.
The only problem is that the .pdf file is 143 pages, and the file size is so huge it's almost unmanageable. (Note to OU Urban Design folks: please break these .pdfs into chapters so people can actually READ and USE them!)
Iteresting how prior to the elections in November of 2006 it was "The Best Economy In 50 Years" then suddenly following the highly awaited Black Friday shopping day following Thanksgiving holiday and E-Monday, the headlines now read "Worst Economy since 1930".
"Wall Street's Worst Day In Months"
"Lots Of Traffic But So-So Sales At Stores, Plus Weaker Dollar"
Worst Economy . . . DUH, what cave have you been living in for the past 5 years.
"The world is about to witness the worst economy since the 1930s, and only the informed and agile will survive."
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Iteresting how prior to the elections in November of 2006 it was "The Best Economy In 50 Years" then suddenly following the highly awaited Black Friday shopping day following Thanksgiving holiday and E-Monday, the headlines now read "Worst Economy since 1930".
"Wall Street's Worst Day In Months"
"Lots Of Traffic But So-So Sales At Stores, Plus Weaker Dollar"
Worst Economy . . . DUH, what cave have you been living in for the past 5 years.
"The world is about to witness the worst economy since the 1930s, and only the informed and agile will survive."
Even though I agree with you on most of what you've posted recently I have to ask, what do you hope to accomplish with those remarks? Yes the distance is increasing between have/have not and the recent election is the result. But doom and gloom forecasts without suggestions for solutions are usually ignored. Seriously, is there a plan you espouse for dealing with the coming disasters or are you just warning us all?