We always hear about alerts. But we hardly ever hear about what happened after the fact. Why? Hiding the facts? Do you believe your government?
http://www.1170kfaq.com/artman/publish/article_9009.shtml
It remains a mystery why the area refineries have been allowed to loosen pollution controls to our detriment. Hear me mista Inhofe and Mista Sullivan....
The air has been the worst I ever recall....those people running our EPA need a ton of bricks.
Seriously, I think our population is oblivious for the most part.
Our air pollution issues are more due to weather phenomenom.
We generate the same amount of crap for 9 months of the the year but the wind and local climate features disperse it most of the time.
No clue what your talking about with no knowing what happened with the ozone the day of an alert. It's on the news and the web everyday with their website nicely providing history on alerts and violations dating back a few years at least.
Any one ever notice the nice yellow brown cloue floating the Talala power plant during those cold clear winter days?
Want to see a smog 'dome'? Head to the mountains north of Vancouer, BC and look down at the city.
YIKES!
Do we need to do something about Tulsa's air? Hell yes we do.
Who'se switching to a hydrid, CNG, or electric car/mower/trimmer? Who rides the bus on ozone days?
Who waits to mow? Who splits up their mowing over a couple of days when you're in the middle of a run of ozone alerts and just have to mow your yard?
Dare
btw, you left out the best option: move far away (see Conan)
and let's not hide the fact that the water's been dusched as well.
How can you expect to attract any business other than other polluters when your air and water are poisonous?
There's very little hope for expanding our economic base under these predicaments. It's bad enough our educational system lags.
Quote from: Teatownclown on July 16, 2012, 03:58:19 PM
Dare
btw, you left out the best option: move far away (see Conan)
and let's not hide the fact that the water's been dusched as well.
How can you expect to attract any business other than other polluters when your air and water are poisonous?
There's very little hope for expanding our economic base under these predicaments. It's bad enough our educational system lags.
YEEEESSSSSS!!!!
FEED ME THE POISONS OF THIS EARTH SO I MAY CONQUER AND DESTROY WITH THE SNEAKINESS SNEAKER GOVERNMENT SNEAKIES THAT SNEAK AROUND AND SNEAKILY DO SNEAKY THINGS TO POISON OUR WATER AND AIR SO ALL THE MINDLESS MINIONS WILL NO LONGER BE AND ALL US TRIPLED FILTERED WELL WATER DRINKING MASK WEARING BUBBLE LIVING GODS CAN HAVE THIS WHOLE BIG EMPTY TOWN TO OURSELVES!!
Yea, makes a lot of sense... right ;o)
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Quote from: Weatherdemon on July 16, 2012, 08:52:00 PM
YEEEESSSSSS!!!!
FEED ME THE POISONS OF THIS EARTH SO I MAY CONQUER AND DESTROY WITH THE SNEAKINESS SNEAKER GOVERNMENT SNEAKIES THAT SNEAK AROUND AND SNEAKILY DO SNEAKY THINGS TO POISON OUR WATER AND AIR SO ALL THE MINDLESS MINIONS WILL NO LONGER BE AND ALL US TRIPLED FILTERED WELL WATER DRINKING MASK WEARING BUBBLE LIVING GODS CAN HAVE THIS WHOLE BIG EMPTY TOWN TO OURSELVES!!
Yea, makes a lot of sense... right ;o)
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Whoooaaaaaa, Dude...ya don't gotta shout...we can hear ya!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on July 16, 2012, 10:47:42 PM
Whoooaaaaaa, Dude...ya don't gotta shout...we can hear ya!
What'd he say? Speak up.
Quote from: Red Arrow on July 16, 2012, 10:49:02 PM
What'd he say? Speak up.
Sometimes ya just gotta scream.....
Did you know the people in the plane crash Friday at Jones?? Sounds like they were ok...?
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on July 16, 2012, 10:52:56 PM
Did you know the people in the plane crash Friday at Jones?? Sounds like they were ok...?
I didn't hear from anyone I know. I might know the names if I heard them. It looks mostly like a nose gear collapse, expensive but not likely to hurt anyone.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on July 16, 2012, 10:47:42 PM
Whoooaaaaaa, Dude...ya don't gotta shout...we can hear ya!
Sorry, it was meant to be a humous shout ;D
QuoteHEALTH INDUSTRY Updated February 6, 2013, 8:51 p.m. ET
Ozone, Pregnancy Ills Linked
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324906004578288172662736626.html
By SHIRLEY S. WANG
One in 20 cases of a potentially dangerous condition during pregnancy called pre-eclampsia could be linked to ozone formed from air pollutants, according to a new study.
The finding, published online Wednesday in the British Medical Journal Open, adds to growing evidence suggesting that pollution is tied to premature birth and other health risks for pregnant women and babies.
The report was based on medical records of nearly 121,000 Swedish women who were exposed during their first trimester of pregnancy to greater amounts of ozone due to the weather or time of year—ozone often is formed on warm, sunny days from vehicle traffic and other pollution. They had a statistically significant increased risk of premature birth and pre-eclampsia, a condition characterized by an increase in blood pressure that can lead to seizure, stroke and death of the mother or baby.
There was a 4% increase in risk for both conditions for every 10-microgram rise in ozone per cubic meter of air, according to the study. The overall risk of having one of these conditions was small, however, with just 4.4% of the women giving birth before 37 weeks and 2.7% experiencing pre-eclampsia.
The study didn't find that a more-direct measure of vehicle exhaust—nitrogen oxide—was linked to either condition. That gas tends to be more constant throughout the year, and ozone is composed of more than just traffic pollution, said David Olsson, an author on the study and a doctoral student in occupational and environmental medicine at Umea University.
The study used government data on pollution levels in the environment and was funded by the Swedish government.
The link between environment and health is tricky to study because there are many variables that could influence the relationship. The researchers tried to account for this by statistically factoring out other things that could be linked to premature birth or pre-eclampsia, such as maternal age, asthma and body weight, and seasonal differences in air pollutants.
Pregnant women could minimize their ozone exposure by avoiding heavily trafficked areas on hot and dry days, but probably wouldn't want to spend excessive time indoors during pregnancy either, in part because it could inhibit health benefits from being outside, Mr. Olsson said.
A public-health solution may need to involve broader environmental changes. "We should do what we can to lessen the burden of traffic pollution," said Mr. Olsson.
I bet you don't hear anything from the right to lifers about this....more proof they use the issue as a war against women than a real concern.
Quote from: Teatownclown on February 07, 2013, 09:44:36 AM
I bet you don't hear anything from the right to lifers about this....more proof they use the issue as a war against women than a real concern.
Uh, not sure how a Swedish study on ozone and pregnancy has squat to do with right-to-lifers.
Spending too much time in the bozone layer, Bozo?
Quote from: Conan71 on February 07, 2013, 10:26:29 AM
Uh, not sure how a Swedish study on ozone and pregnancy has squat to do with right-to-lifers.
Spending too much time in the bozone layer, Bozo?
You mean you have no concern for the future of Tulsa? Whadda bout the ozone affect on all our fetus childs?
Quote from: Teatownclown on February 07, 2013, 10:30:42 AM
You mean you have no concern for the future of Tulsa? Whadda bout the ozone affect on all our fetus childs?
Air quality in general is an important issue.
Not sure why you feel the need to make it into a political issue regarding those who consider themselves to be pro-life. But it's your thread so create all the divisiveness you want.
Quote from: Conan71 on February 07, 2013, 10:33:59 AM
Air quality in general is an important issue.
Not sure why you feel the need to make it into a political issue regarding those who consider themselves to be pro-life. But it's your thread so create all the divisiveness you want.
Hey. I didn't create the divisiveness. And the quality of life in Teatown will continue to devolve with so many righties who place the culture war ahead of the environment. just FYI Conan. Don't be so apathetic. I thought the linkage was in the WSJ not just pulled out of
wasted thin air.
Tulsa's ozone levels have gone down in 10 of the last 12 years.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 07, 2013, 11:00:21 AM
Tulsa's ozone levels have gone down in 10 of the last 12 years.
That may be good enough for Teatown's number one "environmentalist" but it smacks of bureaucratic bs. I find the quality of our air and water a much more important issue than garbage collection. You can stand tall as the leader of what's going on environmentally here. I personally am appalled by the city leaders who recently put together plans for another tax and spend street program rather than addressing our water infrastructure needs. And the air here continues to get worse with all the industry whores.
Quote from: Teatownclown on February 07, 2013, 10:30:42 AM
You mean you have no concern for the future of Tulsa? Whadda bout the ozone affect on all our fetus childs?
Sen. Shortey says it makes them taste like Lunchables.
Quote from: Teatownclown on February 07, 2013, 10:30:42 AM
You mean you have no concern for the future of Tulsa? Whadda bout the ozone affect on all our fetus childs?
Free bottled breathing air for all pregnant women with a household income under $250,000. Insurance will pay for it but only if the woman wears the mask and breaths the bottled air continuously.
Upon review, this thread reminds me - I gotta get a bus!! So I can do my part for the ozone!!
Quote from: Teatownclown on February 07, 2013, 11:06:59 AM
That may be good enough for Teatown's number one "environmentalist" but it smacks of bureaucratic bs.
You are entitled to be wrong. I am sure that happens often with you.
Lower ozone levels means healthier air. We are going in the right direction, even without your help or knowledge of real facts.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 07, 2013, 02:57:39 PM
You are entitled to be wrong. I am sure that happens often with you.
Lower ozone levels means healthier air. We are going in the right direction, even without your help or knowledge of real facts.
So when do we get off the "bad people with cars" list? When do ozone alert days end.... the annual reductions must have been tiny or we were "off the charts" for bad air to start...?
The ozone season in Tulsa is from May through September.
Tulsa is not on the dirty air list. We were in the 1980s.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 07, 2013, 05:15:54 PM
The ozone season in Tulsa is from May through September.
Tulsa is not on the dirty air list. We were in the 1980s.
So the ozone alert days are merely an environmental prophylactic artifact of the 80's??
Ozone Alet days are called by the state DEQ when conditions warrant possible exceedances.
I guess what I am really getting at is at what point do we stop the ozone alert process? If we continue reductions, there should be a point where the air quality is improved to the point that we shouldn't really care about alerts.
The standards keep getting lower. The EPA has lowered it from 85 parts per billion to 75 parts per billion and now is discussing lowering it again.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 08, 2013, 12:54:33 PM
The standards keep getting lower. The EPA has lowered it from 85 parts per billion to 75 parts per billion and now is discussing lowering it again.
by the corporation, for the corporation, of the corporation.
Great haze out today...is that fog or air pollution?
Quote from: Teatownclown on February 08, 2013, 01:06:51 PM
by the corporation, for the corporation, of the corporation.
How is "The EPA has lowered it from 85 parts per billion to 75 parts per billion and now is discussing lowering it again." "by the corporation, for the corporation, of the corporation."?
Quote from: Townsend on February 08, 2013, 01:08:50 PM
How is "The EPA has lowered it from 85 parts per billion to 75 parts per billion and now is discussing lowering it again." "by the corporation, for the corporation, of the corporation."?
Their lobbyists had the bar lowered. How is it not?
The next 10 years will be difficult without people demanding protection of the air and water. Manufacturers and industry will not be friendly to our environment. Politicians are beholden to corporations, not human beings. We must lower our energy consumption. At least until France develops Fusion energy.
Quote from: Teatownclown on February 08, 2013, 01:20:49 PM
Their lobbyists had the bar lowered. How is it not?
The next 10 years will be difficult without people demanding protection of the air and water. Manufacturers and industry will not be friendly to our environment. Politicians are beholden to corporations, not human beings. We must lower our energy consumption. At least until France develops Fusion energy.
Lowering the PPB is good for the air.
Quote from: Townsend on February 08, 2013, 01:24:05 PM
Lowering the PPB is good for the air.
I thought that allowed for more particulates in the atmosphere. I'm no scientist, but it's easy to see the effect all the traffic, refineries, and manufacturing has had on the air here. I even will go as far as to say the drought has been intensified by the ground heat emanating out of this land mass. I don't need technical support to understand what's happening. It's obvious. And then there's the foul water soaked in chloramine.
Sure glad I got to see what clean once was.....
Quote from: Teatownclown on February 08, 2013, 01:34:57 PM
Sure glad I got to see what clean once was.....
Then you are much older than you look.
Quote from: Townsend on February 08, 2013, 01:43:42 PM
Then you are much older than you look.
Perhaps. Good long term memory too....
Is it haze or pollution?
Quote from: Teatownclown on February 08, 2013, 01:45:34 PM
Is it haze or pollution?
That depends. If you partake then it very well may be haze. If you're looking at Beijing, then it's probably pollution.
Quote from: Teatownclown on February 08, 2013, 01:20:49 PM
Their lobbyists had the bar lowered. How is it not?
It is the lobbyists, but not the ones you think.
It is the American Lung Association. They have done extensive research that says the regulatory limit should be no more than 60 parts per billion. Anything above that really affects a good chunk of the population.
But if the EPA made it 60 parts per billion, almost every metro area in the country goes in non-attainment. That also would mean also some area in almost every Congressional district would suddenly have the EPA imposing new rules on everything from gas blends and gas pumps at gas stations, and even road projects that increase idling cars. That is why politics are involved and the EPA has failed to put new cities on the list recently.
President Obama and his EPA leaders are being sued by the environmentalists to lower a standard that will piss off most of Congress and dramatically increase costs to cities and citizens alike. Tough problem to solve.
What should the standard be? A number that protects health? Or should it be an achievable number for metro areas that are doing all they can?
Tulsa has one of the best voluntary citizen programs in the country and the gas providers voluntarily make a better blend of fuel to help. Even with all that, Tulsa has been within one part per billion of failing two years in a row and then last year completely saw record days of exceendances. A summer of weeks of heat with no wind this year and it will happen again in 2013.
All that being said, don't care about ozone levels because we are trying to meet some arbitrary and political number. The reason you should care about doing all the little things you can to help is because it is OUR AIR. Do something because one out of five kids have asthma. Do it because your grandparents struggle to breath on high ozone days. Help out because we all need to breathe clean air.
I'm still wanting to see the results of studies done by the government regarding lung cancer incidents in Tulsa which are unrelated to smoking tobacco products. Where's their lobby on that? It's easy for their lobby to find the tobacco scapegoat, but do they ever come up with real villains?
Seems to me there's too many here coming down with lung cancer who never smoked.
Quote from: Teatownclown on February 08, 2013, 02:12:08 PM
I'm still wanting to see the results of studies done by the government regarding lung cancer incidents in Tulsa which are unrelated to smoking tobacco products. Where's their lobby on that? It's easy for their lobby to find the tobacco scapegoat, but do they ever come up with real villains?
Seems to me there's too many here coming down with lung cancer who never smoked.
Have you contacted anyone about these studies?
Quote from: Teatownclown on February 08, 2013, 02:12:08 PM
I'm still wanting to see the results of studies done by the government regarding lung cancer incidents in Tulsa which are unrelated to smoking tobacco products. Where's their lobby on that? It's easy for their lobby to find the tobacco scapegoat, but do they ever come up with real villains?
Seems to me there's too many here coming down with lung cancer who never smoked.
Radon gas is known carcinogen which causes lung cancer. That is emitted from the ground underneath houses, not something airborne emitted by normal pollutants. Depending on who you believe, it's the second leading cause of lung cancer behind tobacco use. You might want to get your home tested for radon, cracks in the foundation or in-ground ductwork can increase the concentration of it.
http://www.epa.gov/radon/healthrisks.html
Quote from: Conan71 on February 08, 2013, 03:11:07 PM
Radon gas is known carcinogen which causes lung cancer. That is emitted from the ground underneath houses, not something airborne emitted by normal pollutants. Depending on who you believe, it's the second leading cause of lung cancer behind tobacco use. You might want to get your home tested for radon, cracks in the foundation or in-ground ductwork can increase the concentration of it.
http://www.epa.gov/radon/healthrisks.html
My house is stoned up tight with just 4 large rooms. Besides, doom will come one way or another. Thanks for your concern.
I can go for the adapt and be gentle path on global warming. I'm in touch with several friends in Jersey and New England where one to three feet of snow is forecast starting an hour or two ago. They seem to be taking these environmental changes in a gritty manner and getting use to climate change.
So, I'll whine about the difference from today and back when our water and air seemed better quality. We will get by.
Fusion energy would really help right now.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 08, 2013, 01:59:43 PM
It is the American Lung Association. They have done extensive research that says the regulatory limit should be no more than 60 parts per billion. Anything above that really affects a good chunk of the population.
Can you be a bit more specific about "a good chunk of the population"?
Can you be a bit more specific about "affects"?
I am not trying to be silly here. Quantifying "affects" and "a good chunk" would go a long way towards credibility.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 08, 2013, 06:42:54 PM
Can you be a bit more specific about "a good chunk of the population"?
Can you be a bit more specific about "affects"?
I am not trying to be silly here. Quantifying "affects" and "a good chunk" would go a long way towards credibility.
Another storm that could be the worst in history:
Historic Blizzard Poised to Strike New England: What Role Is Climate Change Playing?
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/02/08/1561331/epic-blizzard-poised-to-strike-new-england-what-role-does-climate-change-play/
(http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Nemo.jpg)
and the air today was clouded by mist.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 08, 2013, 06:42:54 PM
Can you be a bit more specific about "a good chunk of the population"?
Can you be a bit more specific about "affects"?
I am not trying to be silly here. Quantifying "affects" and "a good chunk" would go a long way towards credibility.
Here is an example of a press release form 2011...
http://www.lung.org/press-room/press-releases/failure-to-update-ozone-standard-outrageous.html
President Obama's Failure to Update Ozone Standard Outrageous
Washington, D.C. (September 2, 2011)—
President Obama announced today that he would not update the 2008 ozone standard.
"For two years the Administration dragged its feet by delaying its decision, unnecessarily putting lives at risk. Its final decision not to enact a more protective ozone health standard is jeopardizing the health of millions of Americans, which is inexcusable," said Charles D. Connor, President and CEO of the American Lung Association. "The American Lung Association now intends to revive its participation in litigation with the Administration, which was suspended following numerous assurances that the Administration was going to complete this reconsideration and obey the law. We had gone to court because the Bush Administration failed to follow the law and set a protective health standard."
"The ozone standard set in 1997 at 84 ppb is currently being implemented. The American Lung Association demands at minimum, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and states must move forward to implement the 75 ppb standard as it will provide more protection than the 14-year-old standard," said Connor.
The EPA's nearly two-year-long "reconsideration" of the ozone standard determined that the 2008 standard, set at 75 ppb by the Bush Administration, failed to protect public health, failed to follow the scientific community's recommendations, and was legally indefensible. Furthermore, in reconsidering the 2008 decision, EPA had to limit its review to reconsider the science about ozone as it stood in 2006. Evidence accumulating since 2006 shows that ozone is harmful at levels well below the current.
By choosing to ignore the recommendations of the Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee (CASAC), the President is failing to follow the nation's landmark air pollution law, the Clean Air Act, and therefore failing to protect public health, particularly those most at risk including children, older people, and people who suffer from chronic lung diseases. For these people, breathing smog-polluted air can lead to coughing and wheezing, restricted airways, hospitalization and even death. Even healthy young adults and people who exercise or work outdoors can suffer from high levels of ozone pollution.
"A new smog standard would have saved lives and resulted in fewer people getting sick," said Albert A. Rizzo, MD, National Volunteer Chair of the American Lung Association and pulmonary and critical care physician in Newark, Delaware. "The Administration should have set a standard at 60 ppb as advised by the American Lung Association and other medical societies and health groups. Its failure to do so will severely jeopardize public health," continued Dr. Rizzo.
An American Lung Association bipartisan poll of likely 2012 voters taken in June 2011 found that an overwhelming majority support the EPA's efforts to strengthen rules on ozone-causing pollution. The poll found that 75 percent of voters support stricter limits on ozone and that 72 percent oppose efforts by Congress to stop EPA from updating ozone standards. The poll also found that 65 percent of the voters do not agree with the industry's claim that the stricter smog standard will impact jobs. In fact, 54 percent rightly believe that a new standard will create jobs through innovation.
"The benefits to our economic and physical health of a stricter smog standard are without question," continued Connor. "While polluters continue to argue against health standards by repeating archaic, long-disproved claims about economic harm, the American people know better. The Obama Administration undoubtedly should not have delayed and failed to implement a new standard to help communities achieve clean air."
Here is an 11 page study...
http://www.epa.gov/ttn/amtic/files/ambient/pm25/casac/Ozone%20White%20Paper%20for%20CASAC%20AAMMS%20-%20Feb%2010%202009.pdf
Quote from: Teatownclown on February 08, 2013, 07:08:26 PM
Another storm that could be the worst in history:
Historic Blizzard Poised to Strike New England: What Role Is Climate Change Playing?
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/02/08/1561331/epic-blizzard-poised-to-strike-new-england-what-role-does-climate-change-play/
(http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Nemo.jpg)
and the air today was clouded by mist.
Please explain the correlation with ozone.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 08, 2013, 09:15:02 PM
Here is an example of a press release form 2011...
http://www.lung.org/press-room/press-releases/failure-to-update-ozone-standard-outrageous.html
President Obama's Failure to Update Ozone Standard Outrageous
Washington, D.C. (September 2, 2011)—
President Obama announced today that he would not update the 2008 ozone standard.
"For two years the Administration dragged its feet by delaying its decision, unnecessarily putting lives at risk. Its final decision not to enact a more protective ozone health standard is jeopardizing the health of millions of Americans, which is inexcusable," said Charles D. Connor, President and CEO of the American Lung Association. "The American Lung Association now intends to revive its participation in litigation with the Administration, which was suspended following numerous assurances that the Administration was going to complete this reconsideration and obey the law. We had gone to court because the Bush Administration failed to follow the law and set a protective health standard."
"The ozone standard set in 1997 at 84 ppb is currently being implemented. The American Lung Association demands at minimum, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and states must move forward to implement the 75 ppb standard as it will provide more protection than the 14-year-old standard," said Connor.
The EPA's nearly two-year-long "reconsideration" of the ozone standard determined that the 2008 standard, set at 75 ppb by the Bush Administration, failed to protect public health, failed to follow the scientific community's recommendations, and was legally indefensible. Furthermore, in reconsidering the 2008 decision, EPA had to limit its review to reconsider the science about ozone as it stood in 2006. Evidence accumulating since 2006 shows that ozone is harmful at levels well below the current.
By choosing to ignore the recommendations of the Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee (CASAC), the President is failing to follow the nation's landmark air pollution law, the Clean Air Act, and therefore failing to protect public health, particularly those most at risk including children, older people, and people who suffer from chronic lung diseases. For these people, breathing smog-polluted air can lead to coughing and wheezing, restricted airways, hospitalization and even death. Even healthy young adults and people who exercise or work outdoors can suffer from high levels of ozone pollution.
"A new smog standard would have saved lives and resulted in fewer people getting sick," said Albert A. Rizzo, MD, National Volunteer Chair of the American Lung Association and pulmonary and critical care physician in Newark, Delaware. "The Administration should have set a standard at 60 ppb as advised by the American Lung Association and other medical societies and health groups. Its failure to do so will severely jeopardize public health," continued Dr. Rizzo.
An American Lung Association bipartisan poll of likely 2012 voters taken in June 2011 found that an overwhelming majority support the EPA's efforts to strengthen rules on ozone-causing pollution. The poll found that 75 percent of voters support stricter limits on ozone and that 72 percent oppose efforts by Congress to stop EPA from updating ozone standards. The poll also found that 65 percent of the voters do not agree with the industry's claim that the stricter smog standard will impact jobs. In fact, 54 percent rightly believe that a new standard will create jobs through innovation.
"The benefits to our economic and physical health of a stricter smog standard are without question," continued Connor. "While polluters continue to argue against health standards by repeating archaic, long-disproved claims about economic harm, the American people know better. The Obama Administration undoubtedly should not have delayed and failed to implement a new standard to help communities achieve clean air."
And it never stops until the last person has absolutely no effects from even naturally occurring ozone
regardless of the cost. Not even a sniffle.
Quote from: Teatownclown on February 08, 2013, 07:08:26 PM
Another storm that could be the worst in history:
Historic Blizzard Poised to Strike New England: What Role Is Climate Change Playing?
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/02/08/1561331/epic-blizzard-poised-to-strike-new-england-what-role-does-climate-change-play/
(http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Nemo.jpg)
and the air today was clouded by mist.
Shameless sensationalism to get people glued to the boob tube.
Quote from: Conan71 on February 09, 2013, 10:13:41 AM
Shameless sensationalism to get people glued to the boob tube.
Wow...two and half feet and still coming and you call that shameless sensationalism? Next thing you'll be rah rah BrideofFrankenstine for voting no on relief funding.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 08, 2013, 10:40:21 PM
Please explain the correlation with ozone.
Climate change....
Quote from: Teatownclown on February 09, 2013, 01:03:39 PM
Wow...two and half feet and still coming and you call that shameless sensationalism? Next thing you'll be rah rah BrideofFrankenstine for voting no on relief funding.
You are such a diva sometimes. :o
Quote from: Conan71 on February 09, 2013, 06:40:12 PM
You are such a diva sometimes. :o
Hey, Bill Maher talked all about you tonight. 2 hours of non stop laughter and almost all your favorite topics.
There is hope for Tulsa. 1500 progressives showed up.
Thought you might want to know other people talk about you....and Guido....and Gaspar...and even Sauerpuss. Maher made you all look like fools. Wasn't difficult.
Quote from: Teatownclown on February 09, 2013, 11:05:06 PM
Maher made you all look like fools. Wasn't difficult.
You are entitled to your opinion. Not everyone will agree.
I was eating lunch with my 10-year-old granddaughter and I asked her, "What federal holiday is celebrated this month?"
She said, "President's Day!"
She is a smart kid. I asked, "What does President's Day mean?" I was waiting for something about Washington or Lincoln....etc.
She replied, "President's Day is when President Obama steps out of the White House, and if he sees his shadow we have one more year of unemployment."
You know, it hurts when hot coffee spurts out your nose...