Okay, getting from Cherry street to downtown is a breeze but vice-versa seems to be a pain. I normally take 11th when heading that way but your first road down to 15th (peoria) doesn't allow left turns onto 15th. If you go down to 21st, you can't make a left onto peoria to go up to 15th either. The only viable choce is the oft-forgotten Cincinnati-Southbound to 15th street highway-style ramp. And that leaves you making a left turn onto 15th with no traffic signal. Last option is Main south to 15th.
Am I the only one that thinks this needs to change or am I just missing some obviously easy route? Shouldn't we be going out of our way to make it easy for people to get back and forth from one high profile area to the rest?
Like in the Movie Chillicothe (as best I remember it):
Blond: Which way is it to brookside?
Wade: Where are you from?
Taking Cincinnati to the BA on ramp and then taking the Utica Avenue exit is the quickest way I know. The 8th Street on ramp is almost as fast but crossing from the far left lane to the far right lane to exit at Utica can be difficult at times.
Easy, from Peoria you turn left onto 14th and go one block turn right go one block and taadaa, 15th street where you can turn left.
Or go 11th to Utica, turn right to 15th & turn right. No left turns at all.
But if you go the way I do, you will miss ALL of those redlights. We are talking about four at least.
Cincinnati to 15th Street is the fastest usually, but going down Boston Avenue might soon be the fastest after the make it a two way road.
And that left turn on to 15th Street from the Cincinnati overpass is an absolute breeze even during the peak traffic hours.
You could just follow 6th Street east to Peoria and go south to 15th from there. Personally, I've never had any problem getting from downtown to Cherry Street.
Another way is to just follow 15th Street from Denver, Cheyenne, Main, Cincinnati or Boston.
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Originally posted by joiei
But if you go the way I do, you will miss ALL of those redlights. We are talking about four at least.
Quite true. The 14th path to any of the lettered streets is the fastest, easiest, but eventually you do have to turn left onto a busy Cherry street. Get on 13th at Cincinnati and you can go all the way to Utica, turn right to 15th and you're there. One of the letter streets, St. Louis I think, is a good cut through from 13th to Full Moon. Got that?
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Originally posted by deinstein
And that left turn on to 15th Street from the Cincinnati overpass is an absolute breeze even during the peak traffic hours.
has to be the fastest...
beyond that, i consider the cincinnati exit my personal high speed exit from downtown into maple ridge... rollin' out of the bars, down cincy, straight into the ridge makes me tingly...
Utica exit...Hard right on Troost to 15th......
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Originally posted by Breadburner
Utica exit...Hard right on Troost to 15th......
Don't try that right now, the street has been blocked off due to trench work pretty close to two weeks now. Anybody know what they are doing there? Is it in anticipation of the properties on the west side of Utica between the Phillips 66 and the B.A. being redeveloped?
Bottom line, its pretty easy to get to Cherry Street from downtown. Sometimes the city actually works.
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Originally posted by waterboy
Bottom line, its pretty easy to get to Cherry Street from downtown. Sometimes the city actually works.
Whatever happened to the rubber wheeled trolleys that were supposed to be running between the Downtown Districts, Cherry Street, SoBo, Brookside, etc.? With the PGA in town it would have added a nice touch and more ease of mobility for visitors.
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by waterboy
Bottom line, its pretty easy to get to Cherry Street from downtown. Sometimes the city actually works.
Whatever happened to the rubber wheeled trolleys that were supposed to be running between the Downtown Districts, Cherry Street, SoBo, Brookside, etc.? With the PGA in town it would have added a nice touch and more ease of mobility for visitors.
no ****... didn't they have a couple of anouncements about this? wasn't one of them even a press conference? wth happened?
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by waterboy
Bottom line, its pretty easy to get to Cherry Street from downtown. Sometimes the city actually works.
Whatever happened to the rubber wheeled trolleys that were supposed to be running between the Downtown Districts, Cherry Street, SoBo, Brookside, etc.? With the PGA in town it would have added a nice touch and more ease of mobility for visitors.
Those were alot of fun....One driver stopped and let us get a 12 pack.....
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by waterboy
Bottom line, its pretty easy to get to Cherry Street from downtown. Sometimes the city actually works.
Whatever happened to the rubber wheeled trolleys that were supposed to be running between the Downtown Districts, Cherry Street, SoBo, Brookside, etc.? With the PGA in town it would have added a nice touch and more ease of mobility for visitors.
I hear ya. They keep trying to do too many destinations on too many days. Then there are not enough riders over all and it costs a fortune to try and maintain.
Start off with just friday nights, all day saturday and late night, perhaps moring till early afternoon on sunday.
Dont wander all over town, start off with a few of the most used areas.
Have frequent trips between those few areas. People along Cherry Street, Brookside, Downtown Districts should never have to wait more than 30 minutes to see another trolley and no destination should be more than 30 minutes away.
Once people get used to seeing the trolleys making frequent stops to the "best" areas they will start using the trolleys. Start small, advertise it wherever possible, and then as ridership increases, THEN slowly increase the number of destinations.
Trolley stops should have easily visible signage with the days and hours the trolleys run, routes and average times between each trolley stopping there. City promotional material should have those maps as well for visitors to be aware of. Put them in Hotel rooms, the airport, tape them on windows in local shops etc.
When big events are in town add Philbrook, Utica Square and Gilcrease to a few of the loops.
I lived in Eureka Springs for about 3 years. When people see the trolleys going by frequently, they get the idea to use them. If you just see them once every few hours and have no idea where else they are going and when they are coming back, your not going to bother. It has to be an easy, available, impulse.
Hopefully as local ridership increases. The areas served become more dense and urban. The number of days and hours can be increased. Consider even the locals as visitors and tourists. Start small and get people used to riding them on the weekends, its usually when I get out and about, have guests or run around with friends.
Why don't you do it? Pay a driver to drive that high maintenance fuel hog all day without riders, then insure it at rates like its the space shuttle. Rent it out for parties and watch in horror as the riders get stinkin' drunk and tear your bus apart. I once rented my bus to a brides bachelorette party. They lured drunk men on board at area clubs, charged them $5 bucks apiece to go party with them (nothing dumber than a drunk horny man) and kept trying to get my driver to party with them. At the end of the trip, they made more money than I did!! Should have hired them to drive for me.
Not as easy as it sounds.