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Title: Tom DeLay
Post by: MichaelC on April 04, 2006, 10:44:03 AM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/NewsStory.asp?ID=060404_Ne_A3_Forme

Tom DeLay to resign in May or June.  

Delaying DeLay delays resignation until May or June.

Lobbying pays more.
Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: Townsend on January 10, 2011, 02:40:34 PM
5 years later:

QuoteBreaking: Ex-House Majority Leader Tom DeLay Sentenced to 3 Years in Prison.

Tweet from @ABC
Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 10, 2011, 10:06:41 PM
Too bad he is the only criminal of that era getting put in jail.  So many more at least as deserving.

Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: we vs us on January 10, 2011, 10:30:49 PM
Quote from: Townsend on January 10, 2011, 02:40:34 PM
5 years later:

Tweet from @ABC

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 11, 2011, 12:50:20 PM
Many years from now before he will go to jail.  And all the appeals judges are his golf buddies, so anyone think there will be any time at all??

Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: Townsend on January 11, 2011, 02:07:16 PM
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 11, 2011, 12:50:20 PM
Many years from now before he will go to jail.  And all the appeals judges are his golf buddies, so anyone think there will be any time at all??



Well he claims he's done nothing wrong...
Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 11, 2011, 08:10:32 PM
Yes, he does claim that doesn't he.

And we have a "great American hero" in Oliver North, also, don't we.  Twice convicted felon, and directly responsible for deaths of church people in Nicaragua.  According to Hannity, anyway...

Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: Conan71 on January 12, 2011, 12:15:33 AM
Quote from: Townsend on January 11, 2011, 02:07:16 PM
Well he claims he's done nothing wrong...

Convicted felons need to come up with a better story. That one has been used a few times.
Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: swake on January 12, 2011, 08:11:31 AM
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 11, 2011, 08:10:32 PM
Yes, he does claim that doesn't he.

And we have a "great American hero" in Oliver North, also, don't we.  Twice convicted felon, and directly responsible for deaths of church people in Nicaragua.  According to Hannity, anyway...



North is just a disgusting human being. Especially due to the way that he and Hannity profit from their Freedom Concert series supposedly to help dead soldiers kids.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joe_conason/2010/03/29/hannity
Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 12, 2011, 12:44:38 PM
And you expected what???


Last fall before the holidays I read somewhere that they had donated a little over $300,000 to various charity efforts, like the veteran kids scholarship funds.  Compared to the $10 million + they report taking in, it seems just a little bit disingenuous to me to call themselves a charity.  But then, hey,...that's just me....
Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: Gaspar on January 12, 2011, 02:02:05 PM
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 12, 2011, 12:44:38 PM
And you expected what???


Last fall before the holidays I read somewhere that they had donated a little over $300,000 to various charity efforts, like the veteran kids scholarship funds.  Compared to the $10 million + they report taking in, it seems just a little bit disingenuous to me to call themselves a charity.  But then, hey,...that's just me....

Don't be a dude-bag.  They are a non-profit, so they have to file a form 990 and it is pubic. Last years #s are:

They took in $9,851,780
They spent a total of $8,512,857

They paid $1,420,598 in salaries to 39 full time employees.
They Spent $2,187,162 on the concerts and fundraising activities.

About $5 million was given in the form of grants, scholarships, financial assistance, and other activities for the families of soldiers. 

Scholorships
$25,000 to the USS Cole Memorial Fund for the children of the 17 sailors who were killed in the terrorist attack against the USS Cole in October 2000.
$40,000 to the dependent children of the 21 soldiers and 33 sailors killed at the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.
55 individual student scholarships for the 2002 academic year.
73 individual student scholarships for the 2003 academic year.
80 individual student scholarships for the 2004 academic year.
95 individual student scholarships for the 2005 academic year.
105 individual student scholarships for the 2006 academic year.
113 individual student scholarships for the 2007 academic year.
167 individual student scholarships for the 2008 academic year.
201 individual student scholarships for the 2009 academic year.

Other Gifts and grants.
$253,832  in individual grants to 315 millitary families.
5,200 Christmas gift bags to our troops at Warrior Transition Units (WTU)
7,000 pounds (3 ½ tons) of “Gifts from Home” care packages to our troops on the frontlines.
Foundation of The Freedom Alliance Military Leadership Academy in Spring Grove, Virginia.

As one of the charities I support, I have a full PDF list of the scholarships granted last year.  It's 2.5 megs so I couldn't post it here, but I'll be happy to email it.
Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: guido911 on January 12, 2011, 02:07:33 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on January 12, 2011, 02:02:05 PM
Don't be a dude-bag.  They are a non-profit, so they have to file a form 990 and it is pubic. Last years #s are:

They took in $9,851,780
They spent a total of $8,512,857

They paid $1,420,598 in salaries to 39 full time employees.
They Spent $2,187,162 on the concerts and fundraising activities.

About $5 million was given in the form of grants, scholarships, financial assistance, and other activities for the families of soldiers. 

Scholorships
$25,000 to the USS Cole Memorial Fund for the children of the 17 sailors who were killed in the terrorist attack against the USS Cole in October 2000.
$40,000 to the dependent children of the 21 soldiers and 33 sailors killed at the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.
55 individual student scholarships for the 2002 academic year.
73 individual student scholarships for the 2003 academic year.
80 individual student scholarships for the 2004 academic year.
95 individual student scholarships for the 2005 academic year.
105 individual student scholarships for the 2006 academic year.
113 individual student scholarships for the 2007 academic year.
167 individual student scholarships for the 2008 academic year.
201 individual student scholarships for the 2009 academic year.

Other Gifts and grants.
$253,832  in individual grants to 315 millitary families.
5,200 Christmas gift bags to our troops at Warrior Transition Units (WTU)
7,000 pounds (3 ½ tons) of "Gifts from Home" care packages to our troops on the frontlines.
Foundation of The Freedom Alliance Military Leadership Academy in Spring Grove, Virginia.

As one of the charities I support, I have a full PDF list of the scholarships granted last year.  It's 2.5 megs so I couldn't post it here, but I'll be happy to email it.
Thanks for squashing that stupid meme about this charity.
Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: swake on January 12, 2011, 02:25:56 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on January 12, 2011, 02:02:05 PM
Don't be a dude-bag.  They are a non-profit, so they have to file a form 990 and it is pubic. Last years #s are:

They took in $9,851,780
They spent a total of $8,512,857

They paid $1,420,598 in salaries to 39 full time employees.
They Spent $2,187,162 on the concerts and fundraising activities.

About $5 million was given in the form of grants, scholarships, financial assistance, and other activities for the families of soldiers. 

Scholorships
$25,000 to the USS Cole Memorial Fund for the children of the 17 sailors who were killed in the terrorist attack against the USS Cole in October 2000.
$40,000 to the dependent children of the 21 soldiers and 33 sailors killed at the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.
55 individual student scholarships for the 2002 academic year.
73 individual student scholarships for the 2003 academic year.
80 individual student scholarships for the 2004 academic year.
95 individual student scholarships for the 2005 academic year.
105 individual student scholarships for the 2006 academic year.
113 individual student scholarships for the 2007 academic year.
167 individual student scholarships for the 2008 academic year.
201 individual student scholarships for the 2009 academic year.

Other Gifts and grants.
$253,832  in individual grants to 315 millitary families.
5,200 Christmas gift bags to our troops at Warrior Transition Units (WTU)
7,000 pounds (3 ½ tons) of "Gifts from Home" care packages to our troops on the frontlines.
Foundation of The Freedom Alliance Military Leadership Academy in Spring Grove, Virginia.

As one of the charities I support, I have a full PDF list of the scholarships granted last year.  It's 2.5 megs so I couldn't post it here, but I'll be happy to email it.

That's far from the whole story. He's how Hannity promotes the concerts (or rather did before all of this came out)

Quote
"Every penny, 100 percent of the donations are applied to the Freedom Alliance scholarship fund." Appearing with Hannity, North has said: "There's no overhead. There's no expenses taken out. Every penny that's donated or that's raised through things like the Freedom Concerts goes to the scholarship fund."

But the problem is that isn't true. Not even remotely true. Only a $4 surcharge on tickets even goes to the charity, which is now only a two star charity in itself. The rest of the money goes to North's for profit company that puts on concerts and pays Hannity.

Quote
In fact, despite the written denials of both North and Freedom Alliance chief Thomas Kilgannon, Sean Hannity did NOT pay for his own private jet flights to the various Freedom Concerts.  In fact, the money for his expensive travel came right from the revenue of the Freedom Concerts, a big, profitable business, which isn't owned or operated by Freedom Alliance.  While the charity is technically correct that Freedom Alliance didn't pay for it in recent years, in fact Freedom Concert revenue, which is controlled by Hannity's speaking engagement agents, did.  The operant question here is, who owns the Freedom Concerts?

The answer, according to an insider, is apparently Premiere Speakers Bureau, owned by Duane Ward, Oliver North's longtime PR man, and the speaking engagement agent for both North and Hannity, as well as many FOX News and other conservative personalities.  Premiere runs the Freedom Concerts and owns the FreedomConcerts.com domain name, sells the Freedom Concerts merchandise, etc.  While only a $4 surcharge on Freedom Concert tickets goes to Freedom Alliance, the rest is controlled by Ward and his various companies.  I contacted Duane Ward via e-mail (duane@premierespeakers.com) and telephone.  He did not respond to questions, which included a request for Freedom Concerts' financial records and an accounting of Freedom Concert revenues and Premiere travel arrangements for Hannity to fly in high-style to the events.  And the inside source–who asked to remain anonymous because of legitimate fears of retaliation by Ward and Hannity–says it's a huge profit center for Ward and Premiere.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/19630/big-business-who-owns-the-freedom-concerts-how-sean-hannitys-private-jets-luxe-suvs-suites-were-paid/
Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: guido911 on January 12, 2011, 02:36:28 PM
Here is Freedom Alliances response to Schlussel's first assault.

http://spectator.org/blog/2010/03/19/freedom-alliance-statement-on

Edited:  Here is an additional response to Schlussel.
http://www.frumforum.com/hannitized-is-sanitized
Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: Gaspar on January 12, 2011, 02:46:08 PM
Cool!  So it's "an anonymous source" vs all of their federal 990 forms since 1999.   ;D

Here are the forms if you would like to comb through them with your angry pencil.
http://www.eri-nonprofit-salaries.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=NPO.Form990&EIN=541411430&Year=2009
Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 12, 2011, 09:27:16 PM
Let's take your numbers for a quick sanity (hannity?) check!  First, gotta wonder how much of those salary monies go to Hannity?

And when you look at the money spent - 8.5 million out of the 9.85 million taken in (the difference being "retained" for future work), you have 3.6 million in administrative "expenses".

That comes out to over 42% overhead.  That is what constitutes a "worthwhile" charity to you??  I don't think even Oral Roberts or Jerry Falwell were that blatant at their worst.

Wow!  The Salvation Army - a REAL charity - has the lowest administrative expense ratio of any charity at about 86%.  So we can only guess about the real motivation of Hannity, and if maybe there is a motivation other than charity.  Perhaps a political agenda??  Remember, ALWAYS follow the money!

But it does make a nice little supplemental paycheck for Hannity and his ilk, doesn't it?  Can you spell Gulfstream jet - his personal form of transportation.

And that's if you believe what he is saying, and there isn't some creative reporting going on.  Given his tradition of lies in other aspects of his operation, I submit it is very possible if not likely.

Again, it is Hannity himself who lies over and over and over - 100% to benefits.






Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: Gaspar on January 13, 2011, 10:04:13 AM
Uh. . .did you even read. . .meh. . .never mind. ::)
Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 14, 2011, 02:05:11 PM
Yes, I read.  And took the numbers directly from.

Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on January 14, 2011, 02:22:08 PM
After they got outed looks like they spent a little more on their charity side.

http://207.153.189.83/EINS/541411430/541411430_2008_0588BE6B.PDF (http://207.153.189.83/EINS/541411430/541411430_2008_0588BE6B.PDF)

2008
8.71 million in revenue
1.4 million in salary
6.7 million in expenses

Expenses:
2.3 million  Public Policy and Education (making fliers, etc)
1.27 million Support the troops parties (550k in grants in that 1.27 million)
1.23 million for scholarships (802,250 went towards actual scholarships)

So right off the top 41% goes to salary and "public education".
Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: swake on January 14, 2011, 02:25:20 PM
Quote from: Trogdor on January 14, 2011, 02:22:08 PM
After they got outed looks like they spent a little more on their charity side.

http://207.153.189.83/EINS/541411430/541411430_2008_0588BE6B.PDF (http://207.153.189.83/EINS/541411430/541411430_2008_0588BE6B.PDF)

2008
8.71 million in revenue
1.4 million in salary
6.7 million in expenses

Expenses:
2.3 million  Public Policy and Education (making fliers, etc)
1.27 million Support the troops parties (550k in grants in that 1.27 million)
1.23 million for scholarships (802,250 went towards actual scholarships)

So right off the top 41% goes to salary and "public education".

And again, this is from donations and the $4 service fee. The actual concert revenue is completely separate.
Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: Townsend on January 14, 2011, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: Trogdor on January 14, 2011, 02:22:08 PM
After they got outed looks like they spent a little more on their charity side.

http://207.153.189.83/EINS/541411430/541411430_2008_0588BE6B.PDF (http://207.153.189.83/EINS/541411430/541411430_2008_0588BE6B.PDF)

2008
8.71 million in revenue
1.4 million in salary
6.7 million in expenses

Expenses:
2.3 million  Public Policy and Education (making fliers, etc)
1.27 million Support the troops parties (550k in grants in that 1.27 million)
1.23 million for scholarships (802,250 went towards actual scholarships)

So right off the top 41% goes to salary and "public education".

I went when they and the boys came to the Mabee Center. 

I'm not a fan but I was amused when Hannity was shocked and had to tell the audience they shouldn't have applauded his comment on minorities.  He was making a point and the crowd went wild.  He didn't know his audience.

That's when I realized I had to keep my mouth shut or the folks around me might've found a tall tree from which to hang me until I was dead, dead, dead.
Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 16, 2011, 07:41:08 PM
Or shoot you 23 times with a Glock.


Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 16, 2011, 07:42:42 PM
40% + is pretty crappy for a "charity".  Hey, I need to start a charity!!  40% of 8 million - I could live on that!!!!!!

Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: guido911 on September 19, 2013, 03:00:30 PM
Conviction overturned.

QuoteDeLay, 66, was convicted in 2010 for his alleged role in a scheme to influence Texas elections.

He was found guilty of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering after he was accused of helping funnel corporate money to Texas candidates in 2002.

In documents released early Thursday, however, an appeals court said the evidence in the case was "legally insufficient to sustain DeLay's convictions."

"I'm very happy about it," DeLay said in Washington Thursday. "I'm so glad they wrote the ruling about it because the ruling says I never should have been charged, much less indicted."

The court said all judgments against DeLay were reversed, and the former congressman was formally acquitted.

http://www.kvue.com/news/state/224406971.html
Title: Re: Tom DeLay
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 19, 2013, 05:47:29 PM
Quote from: guido911 on September 19, 2013, 03:00:30 PM
Conviction overturned.

http://www.kvue.com/news/state/224406971.html


That must have been expensive.  Now we know where a portion of that laundered money went....retainer for some friendly judges....