I'm sure by now we have all heard the speculation of trader joes opening a store next to their brookside location to sell wine and Brewer. However I suspect that isn't going to be the case since there hasn't been any publicity for such a spot or work done yet.
Does anyone have any insight into what will be going in to these 3 spots? I assume they will go pretty quick because of their location but I am a bit surprised that nothing has been announced yet.
Trader Joe's has specifically stated that they have nothing to do with the spaces next to them. I can't wait for them to get filled so people will stop talking about it. We aren't getting 2-buck chuck until we get the laws changed.
I'm not expecting anything interesting for these spaces. Maybe if we're lucky one of them will be a boutique or something that actually adds to the district instead of another nail salon or tax place.
Quote from: shavethewhales on March 17, 2016, 10:20:05 AM
I'm not expecting anything interesting for these spaces. Maybe if we're lucky one of them will be a boutique or something that actually adds to the district instead of another nail salon or tax place.
Any cell phone stores missing on Brookside?
Quote from: sooneralum2012 on March 17, 2016, 08:48:56 AM
I'm sure by now we have all heard the speculation of trader joes opening a store next to their brookside location to sell wine and Brewer. However I suspect that isn't going to be the case since there hasn't been any publicity for such a spot or work done yet.
Does anyone have any insight into what will be going in to these 3 spots? I assume they will go pretty quick because of their location but I am a bit surprised that nothing has been announced yet.
I think it was Costco that had planned on building an annex to sell alcohol.
Quote from: shavethewhales on March 17, 2016, 10:20:05 AM
Trader Joe's has specifically stated that they have nothing to do with the spaces next to them. I can't wait for them to get filled so people will stop talking about it. We aren't getting 2-buck chuck until we get the laws changed.
I'm not expecting anything interesting for these spaces. Maybe if we're lucky one of them will be a boutique or something that actually adds to the district instead of another nail salon or tax place.
those laws may change within the next year, thankfully. I don't know exactly where they would put wine and beer in there current store, maybe the NW corner?
It will be leased to other tenants - no liquor component for Trader Joe's. If the law changes, they will rearrange the current floorplan to allow for alcohol sales. They are waiting to fill the other building for a few months to allow the parking issues to work itself out. If you added new restaurants and retailers at the same time Trader Joe's opened the developer knew it would be one huge cluster f*** and would end up in the other tenants next to TJ's suffering. Look to see those spaces start to fill in this summer most likely, they are being patient and are demanding probably the highest rent for retail space in the State of Oklahoma outside of Woodland or Penn Square.
I sent an email this week to that Trader Joe's chastising them for not putting a door on the sidewalk and encouraging them to fix that. I'm sure it's way too late. But I'm that guy now.
The idea that Trader Joe's can't sell alcohol because of the laws is a complete fallacy. There are plenty of examples of Trader Joe's in other states with separate buildings or entrances for beer, wine, and spirit sales.
Don't get me wrong, though! I'd love to for the laws in OK to change. It's just a bad argument for why TJ's won't open a liquor store, because they've done it in other states.
Smoot effect.
Quote from: takemebacktotulsa on March 18, 2016, 10:38:20 AM
The idea that Trader Joe's can't sell alcohol because of the laws is a complete fallacy. There are plenty of examples of Trader Joe's in other states with separate buildings or entrances for beer, wine, and spirit sales.
Don't get me wrong, though! I'd love to for the laws in OK to change. It's just a bad argument for why TJ's won't open a liquor store, because they've done it in other states.
Liquor store owners in Oklahoma have to have been residents for 10 years of the state and cannot own more than one store. No chains, no out of state ownership.
Quote from: swake on March 18, 2016, 10:57:40 AM
Liquor store owners in Oklahoma have to have been residents for 10 years of the state and cannot own more than one store. No chains, no out of state ownership.
They can't own more than 1 store, or more than 1 liquor store?
Quote from: takemebacktotulsa on March 18, 2016, 11:06:51 AM
They can't own more than 1 store, or more than 1 liquor store?
Can't own more than one liquor store.
For example, Parkhills has "two" locations, each location owned separately by one spouse.
Quote from: swake on March 18, 2016, 11:09:08 AM
Can't own more than one liquor store.
For example, Parkhills has "two" locations, each location owned separately by one spouse.
That's what I thought... I wonder how Costco is getting around the laws then. Aren't they opening a Liquor store?
Quote from: takemebacktotulsa on March 18, 2016, 11:10:57 AM
That's what I thought... I wonder how Costco is getting around the laws then. Aren't they opening a Liquor store?
They found a local to "own" the attached liquor store until the laws change.
Quote from: swake on March 18, 2016, 11:36:27 AM
They found a local to "own" the attached liquor store until the laws change.
I see. And TJ's can't do the same thing?
Quote from: takemebacktotulsa on March 18, 2016, 11:45:53 AM
I see. And TJ's can't do the same thing?
You would have to ask them. Do they do stand alone liquor stores in other states?
Quote from: swake on March 18, 2016, 11:48:33 AM
You would have to ask them. Do they do stand alone liquor stores in other states?
I know that they have stand alone stores (well they are next door and share a wall, but you have to leave one store to get to the other) in Massachusetts, New York, and Colorado. And probably Minnesota as well.
Quote from: takemebacktotulsa on March 18, 2016, 12:24:03 PM
I know that they have stand alone stores (well they are next door and share a wall, but you have to leave one store to get to the other) in Massachusetts, New York, and Colorado. And probably Minnesota as well.
Oh, and New Jersey!
Maybe they have been given promises that the law will be changed soon?
Quote from: swake on March 18, 2016, 01:08:54 PM
Maybe they have been given promises that the law will be changed soon?
That was my guess. They realized they'd get the business they needed without liquor sales long enough to wait for the law change.
Quote from: Tulsasaurus Rex on March 18, 2016, 08:26:50 AM
I sent an email this week to that Trader Joe's chastising them for not putting a door on the sidewalk and encouraging them to fix that. I'm sure it's way too late. But I'm that guy now.
I totally agree on this. I wish they had an entrance there but at the same time at least the other shops all do.
Quote from: swake on March 18, 2016, 01:08:54 PM
Maybe they have been given promises that the law will be changed soon?
someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I have not seen anything proposed this legislative session that would change the single ownership law. If Trader Joe's was Didn't plan to open in okc this wouldn't be a problem but hopefully they will just be what Costco did.
Quote from: sooneralum2012 on March 19, 2016, 03:22:33 PM
someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I have not seen anything proposed this legislative session that would change the single ownership law. If Trader Joe's was Didn't plan to open in okc this wouldn't be a problem but hopefully they will just be what Costco did.
There are proposals to allow grocery stores to sell strong beer and wine. Trader Joes is known for selling wine.
Quote from: swake on March 19, 2016, 03:51:00 PM
There are proposals to allow grocery stores to sell strong beer and wine. Trader Joes is known for selling wine.
Memory failing me, but wasn't there a stipulation that you have to go through a distributor, and the distributor has to make it available to everyone in the state? Hard to keep track of all the subrules in this stuff
I know they have the trader joe's branded wine, could put a kink in things
Quote from: saintnicster on March 21, 2016, 10:41:35 AM
Memory failing me, but wasn't there a stipulation that you have to go through a distributor, and the distributor has to make it available to everyone in the state? Hard to keep track of all the subrules in this stuff
I know they have the trader joe's branded wine, could put a kink in things
I've been wondering about that as well. Costco has house brand liquor too. Can they sign a deal with distributor to only allow themselves to sell their house brands? How can that work?
Quote from: swake on March 21, 2016, 11:10:32 AM
I've been wondering about that as well. Costco has house brand liquor too. Can they sign a deal with distributor to only allow themselves to sell their house brands? How can that work?
Speaking of that, does anyone here have any knowledge about the 'beverage distribution center' that is evidently being built just SE of the Super WM on Admiral and Memorial on this tract? I see where a PUD was done on this back in late 2014, but I cannot tell who this is going to be.
https://goo.gl/oc4tLo