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QuoteA call for video presentations of projects vying for upward of $300 million in economic development funding went out at a Tulsa City Council meeting Thursday evening.
Councilor Blake Ewing said he wants project ideas within a broad framework of economic development goals to go viral.
"We're asking for ideas that are game-changing ideas," Ewing said. "That doesn't mean that the small, token things aren't wanted or won't be heard. The idea is that everyone gets to have their idea heard."
Councilor Anna America and Ewing have headed a task force that aims to pitch an economic development funding package that would replace half of Vision 2025's expiring 0.6 percent sales tax. The tax is scheduled to end next year.
The funding package is planned to run alongside a separate proposal for the other half of Vision 2025's expiring tax, led by Councilor G.T. Bynum, to add low-water dams along the Arkansas River. City officials hope both funding proposals will go to voters in November.
Much like the original Vision funding package, which paid for projects such as the BOK Arena and the Cox Business Center renovation, Ewing said he hopes project ideas that match the scale of those will come from the community.
But all ideas will be given the same initial treatment, he said.
Although presentations may be submitted online, the task force is planning several meetings in July and August at which residents will be able to pitch their ideas, which will be recorded by City Hall officials and put online, Ewing said.
The priorities for investment, as defined by the city council, are:
Economic development and sales-tax generation
Connectivity and transportation choices
Health, education and safety
There are other "accent" priorities for ideas that Ewing said the task force hopes to include, which are:
Project ideas that will reverse negative trends or support positive trends
Investment in unique and existing Tulsa assets
Community beautification
And any other idea that generates substantial public support
Residents will be able to fill out a form that requires basic information about the proposal and submit videos from YouTube for collection to cityoftulsa.org/vision.
Although the site currently offers only basic information, Ewing said residents will be able to browse the site for all submitted project ideas soon.
"Everything will be YouTube'd ... so that people can easily share them," he said. "The idea is to take the whole conversation viral."
The online campaign is more or less a first for the city and even has a hashtag that city officials are pushing residents to use on sites such as Twitter. It's #VisionTulsa.
"Usually if people come up with an idea, they come to a town hall meeting," Ewing said. "This is a way that we can capture those presentations and have them viewable way past the initial viewing."
Partially close streets and run an automated electric trolley in a box along 9th St between Denver and Elgin, down Elgin to John Hope Franklin, across John Hope Franklin back to Denver and Denver back down to 9th. Basically all of downtown would be within 3 blocks of the trolley.
They obviously don't have a problem closing major arterials. They closed riverside for the next year and a half.
Someone mentioned that one of the local universities was thinking of adding to a School of architecture program and possibly a home for it. Does anyone recall what that was specifically?
I would like to put out a proposal for purchasing the Tulsa Club building and making it the new home of the Tulsa Art Deco Museum, possibly TFA and perhaps another organization like that mentioned above. I think we could create an incredible attraction while showcasing and preserving a piece of our artistic and cultural heritage.
This is a terrific idea! I'm excited!
Quote from: TheArtist on June 26, 2015, 12:16:46 PM
Someone mentioned that one of the local universities was thinking of adding to a School of architecture program and possibly a home for it. Does anyone recall what that was specifically?
I would like to put out a proposal for purchasing the Tulsa Club building and making it the new home of the Tulsa Art Deco Museum, possibly TFA and perhaps another organization like that mentioned above. I think we could create an incredible attraction while showcasing and preserving a piece of our artistic and cultural heritage.
Awesome Idea. Could we combine the architecture program into the Tulsa Club as well? Make it kind of a "Tulsiesin" (A play on Taliesin and Taliesin West, Frank Lloyd Wright's architectural studios. Look it up...) It could focus on defining and promoting a "Tulsa Architecture" style. I've been to Taliesin West in Phoenix twice, and it is continual tourist draw as well as a working architectural school. Very cool.
Quote from: TheArtist on June 26, 2015, 12:16:46 PM
Someone mentioned that one of the local universities was thinking of adding to a School of architecture program and possibly a home for it. Does anyone recall what that was specifically?
I would like to put out a proposal for purchasing the Tulsa Club building and making it the new home of the Tulsa Art Deco Museum, possibly TFA and perhaps another organization like that mentioned above. I think we could create an incredible attraction while showcasing and preserving a piece of our artistic and cultural heritage.
I would reach out to the OU-Tulsa Urban Design school. This would be a perfect spot for them to be located.
My idea involves two phases: the first phase would develop something similar to Guthrie Green on the parking lot between 2nd and 3rd, Cincinnati and Detroit. Because of the slope of the site it would make a great location for a water feature in the middle that cascades down, an homage to the old fountains on the 5th Street pedestrian mall. It would serve as the gateway from downtown into the Blue Dome district and also has one of the best skyline views.
Something similar to Jameson Park in Portland:
(http://www.sapdev.net/images/blog/20080704.PortlandJamesonSq.jpg)
The other piece would be a new science museum that overlooks the park on the south side of 3rd. Something architecturally significant that caters to both kids and adults and is a major attraction.
The second phase would include building a new theatre across the street from the PAC and an adjacent Fine Arts High School that would be part of TPS. An extensive renovation of the PAC would also be part of this phase. Tulsa has always been a strong center for the performing arts and this would take that to the next level.
(http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p498/bg918/tpac-map_zpsrl5vnbey.jpg)
Soccer stadium and bike lanes. Thanks for listening, Blake!
How much use does the Lafortune Park golf course get......???....
Quote from: Breadburner on June 29, 2015, 12:44:23 PM
How much use does the Lafortune Park golf course get......???....
According to Tulsa County Parks, the two courses at LaFortune Park combined average is 65,000 rounds per year.
Quote from: Vision 2025 on June 29, 2015, 10:04:08 PM
According to Tulsa County Parks, the two courses at LaFortune Park combined average is 65,000 rounds per year.
I may be wrong.....But it seems to me the highest and best use for a piece of prime property like that is not a golf course.....And we are talking about game changers here.....So possibly leave the par 3 and driving range and figure out something too do with the rest......
Quote from: Breadburner on June 30, 2015, 06:15:32 AM
I may be wrong.....But it seems to me the highest and best use for a piece of prime property like that is not a golf course.....And we are talking about game changers here.....So possibly leave the par 3 and driving range and figure out something too do with the rest......
Outlet mall
My "Game Changing" idea would be to have rail transit in Tulsa and TOD (transit oriented development) zoning along with it.
Was in Dallas for Market from Friday - Monday. While I enjoy some of the places, aka, certain restaurants and shopping, that comes with their larger population I do not enjoy their city. It's a prime example to show that population and growth do not equal quality of life. It shows that over time pedestrian friendly urban development will not just magically happen all on it's own with more growth and population density.
I so want Tulsa to evolve into a "Real" city with an incredible quality of life for those who love and want a real, high quality, Urban lifestyle, and yes also for those who want a real, quality Suburban lifestyle.
Fixed rail with pedestrian friendly, no, pedestrian lively, zoning would be the biggest "Game Changer" for Tulsa. Setting our growth pattern on a different direction than any other city in the region. With the great heritage development we already have in place and growing out from that more wonderful urban development, we could once become a shining jewel of a city in the center of the US. That in itself would greatly ramp up our attractiveness and growth potential. And when that growth came again, it would be quality growth that would create a city more akin to a mini London, NYC, or Paris, not a "nobody walking, everyone driving, sprawling Dallas" type city.
Quote from: Breadburner on June 30, 2015, 12:30:53 PM
Noooo....Colon.........!!!!!
What if it was anchored by REI ?
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A call for video presentations of projects vying for upward of $300 million in economic development funding went out at a Tulsa City Council meeting Thursday evening.
Councilor Blake Ewing said he wants project ideas within a broad framework of economic development goals to go viral.
"We're asking for ideas that are game-changing ideas," Ewing said. "That doesn't mean that the small, token things aren't wanted or won't be heard. The idea is that everyone gets to have their idea heard."
Councilor Anna America and Ewing have headed a task force that aims to pitch an economic development funding package that would replace half of Vision 2025's expiring 0.6 percent sales tax. The tax is scheduled to end next year.
The funding package is planned to run alongside a separate proposal for the other half of Vision 2025's expiring tax, led by Councilor G.T. Bynum, to add low-water dams along the Arkansas River. City officials hope both funding proposals will go to voters in November.
Much like the original Vision funding package, which paid for projects such as the BOK Arena and the Cox Business Center renovation, Ewing said he hopes project ideas that match the scale of those will come from the community.
This sounds like an interesting and excellent idea -- inviting the public to submit ideas that go online.
I most certainly will not vote for any of Councilor Bynum's dam proposals which include building new dams. I think that's a waste of money and harmful to the ecosystem of the Arkansas River. I
might possibly consider voting for the repair of Zink Dam if it's presented as a stand-alone proposal, without being logrolled into other items. But I live near the Zink Dam, and I'm satisfied with Zink Lake the way it is now, even with the dam's diminished capacity.
I
definitely WILL consider voting for proposals gathered by Councilors America's and Ewing's task force. Already, I see some intriguing ideas proposed on this forum.
But again, I'd prefer to see the individual proposals presented as separate questions on a lengthy ballot, if necessary. If it becomes a logrolled grab-bag package, I almost certainly will vote against it, even if I'm in favor of most of the proposed projects.
Quote from: TheArtist on June 30, 2015, 08:25:03 AM
My "Game Changing" idea would be to have rail transit in Tulsa and TOD (transit oriented development) zoning along with it.
I agree -- this type of development would be a game changer for Tulsa. But even if fixed rail is determined to be too expensive for now, I'd like to see some rubber-tire trolleys or small shuttles that operate on a fixed route and schedule.
The routes need to be very simple and understandable. One problem is that the streets downtown seem to be closed so often for special events. The route proposed by swake is simple and understandable, but has a couple of issues, as I see it:
1) the frequent street closings on Elgin, and
2) the railroad crossing at Elgin.
A few years ago, Jack Crowley proposed fixed rail trolleys on both sides of Boulder from John Hope Franklin to either 18th or 21st -- I don't remember which. But the idea was that the trolleys would travel north and south on Boulder at 15-minute intervals 24/7, or for very extensive hours, at least. I thought that rubber-tire trolleys or shuttle buses could be operated on the same schedule for much less, but Crowley was insistent that the system operate on hard rails (so potential developers, merchants, and residents would see a long-term commitment and a substantial investment from the City).
As I understand it, the Boulder Avenue bridge was designed to handle future fixed tracks for a trolley system.
Quote from: BKDotCom on June 30, 2015, 01:26:59 PM
What if it was anchored by REI ?
Nooooo....Dot Calm.....!!!!
Quote from: Bamboo World on June 30, 2015, 03:28:41 PM
A few years ago, Jack Crowley proposed fixed rail trolleys on both sides of Boulder from John Hope Franklin to either 18th or 21st -- I don't remember which. But the idea was that the trolleys would travel north and south on Boulder at 15-minute intervals 24/7, or for very extensive hours, at least. I thought that rubber-tire trolleys or shuttle buses could be operated on the same schedule for much less, but Crowley was insistent that the system operate on hard rails (so potential developers, merchants, and residents would see a long-term commitment and a substantial investment from the City).
Rubber tire bus routes can be changed with the stroke of a pen. Fixed rail represents an investment that attracts other investment. I agree with Artist and Crowley.
No brainer per the guidelines that Blake and Anna set for this:
- Economic development and sales-tax generation
Connectivity and transportation choices
Health, education and safety
There are other "accent" priorities for ideas that Ewing said the task force hopes to include, which are:
Project ideas that will reverse negative trends or support positive trends
Investment in unique and existing Tulsa assets
Community beautification
And any other idea that generates substantial public support
Purchase the 60 acres on the west side of Turkey Mountain, build a visitor or heritage center on land already cleared on the south end and provide more parking.
A study by TUWC earlier this spring has determined Turkey Mountain is a great economic driver for west Tulsa and the area east of the 71st St. bridge.
So this happened
https://youtu.be/DRA4df64_bs (https://youtu.be/DRA4df64_bs)
Quote from: gratherton on July 06, 2015, 10:39:47 AM
So this happened
https://youtu.be/DRA4df64_bs (https://youtu.be/DRA4df64_bs)
Uhmmm ... hmmm ... not sure what to say about that.
Quote from: gratherton on July 06, 2015, 10:39:47 AM
So this happened
https://youtu.be/DRA4df64_bs (https://youtu.be/DRA4df64_bs)
That is awesome. A little out-of-the-box thinking to get people to pay attention.
OK - I know this isn't "game changing" but can vision money go towards burying the dang utilities? At least along arterial streets?
I've long realized that the power lines were ugly, but they are also the reason why we can't have dignified, tree-lined streets. Everywhere that PSO trims trees, they ultimately kill them... either by spreading disease or through poor trimming techniques that leave the trees stressed and weak and susceptible to insects, disease, ice storms, wind, drought, etc. Then, they also limit the types of trees that can be planted under power lines. Instead of stately oaks, we get crepe myrtles and Bradford pears.
In older areas where the power lines go down one side of the street but not the other, compare the two sides. On one side, you've got power lines and crappy shrubs/grass for landscaping. On the other side, you'll see really nice old trees that shade both the sidewalk and the street.
Canopy trees improve the appearance of every development and parking lot along the way (by adding a touch of beauty that offsets bad architecture, signage, asphalt, etc). And in the summertime, they just make you feel better. Trees that shade sidewalks make walking (and thus transit use) not just bearable, but actually pleasant. They reduce heat islands by reducing surface temperatures by more than 25 degrees (compared to non-shaded areas).
There's plenty of evidence that trees increase property values. There's even mounting evidence that trees make people healthier and happier. There's a correlation between trees and improved health outcomes, longer lifespans, and lower crime.
So... can we bury the utilities and start reaping the benefits of shade trees? In the meantime, we'd have fewer power outages, which represents a major economic benefit / ROI. And we could also save money on tree trimming (aka butchering).
I don't know how this works, related to the city's contract with PSO, but I'm curious. Does anyone know if this is possible?
Quote from: PonderInc on July 13, 2015, 10:37:35 AM
OK - I know this isn't "game changing" but can vision money go towards burying the dang utilities? At least along arterial streets?
I've long realized that the power lines were ugly, but they are also the reason why we can't have dignified, tree-lined streets. Everywhere that PSO trims trees, they ultimately kill them... either by spreading disease or through poor trimming techniques that leave the trees stressed and weak and susceptible to insects, disease, ice storms, wind, drought, etc. Then, they also limit the types of trees that can be planted under power lines. Instead of stately oaks, we get crepe myrtles and Bradford pears.
In older areas where the power lines go down one side of the street but not the other, compare the two sides. On one side, you've got power lines and crappy shrubs/grass for landscaping. On the other side, you'll see really nice old trees that shade both the sidewalk and the street.
Canopy trees improve the appearance of every development and parking lot along the way (by adding a touch of beauty that offsets bad architecture, signage, asphalt, etc). And in the summertime, they just make you feel better. Trees that shade sidewalks make walking (and thus transit use) not just bearable, but actually pleasant. They reduce heat islands by reducing surface temperatures by more than 25 degrees (compared to non-shaded areas).
There's plenty of evidence that trees increase property values. There's even mounting evidence that trees make people healthier and happier. There's a correlation between trees and improved health outcomes, longer lifespans, and lower crime.
So... can we bury the utilities and start reaping the benefits of shade trees? In the meantime, we'd have fewer power outages, which represents a major economic benefit / ROI. And we could also save money on tree trimming (aka butchering).
I don't know how this works, related to the city's contract with PSO, but I'm curious. Does anyone know if this is possible?
The point is well-taken. I've lived in a neighborhood that made underground utilities along with backyard transformers (Sungate) one of its hallmarks and it was notably more beautiful than the typical overhead power system. But that's really more of an issue for the utility rather than the city.
I wish this idea the best of luck. I just don't see PSO investing millions of dollars for aesthetics.
I just want to see what the city pays the consulting firm that contracts out the "study."
Quote from: PonderInc on July 13, 2015, 10:37:35 AM
OK - I know this isn't "game changing" but can vision money go towards burying the dang utilities? At least along arterial streets?
I've long realized that the power lines were ugly, but they are also the reason why we can't have dignified, tree-lined streets. Everywhere that PSO trims trees, they ultimately kill them... either by spreading disease or through poor trimming techniques that leave the trees stressed and weak and susceptible to insects, disease, ice storms, wind, drought, etc. Then, they also limit the types of trees that can be planted under power lines. Instead of stately oaks, we get crepe myrtles and Bradford pears.
In older areas where the power lines go down one side of the street but not the other, compare the two sides. On one side, you've got power lines and crappy shrubs/grass for landscaping. On the other side, you'll see really nice old trees that shade both the sidewalk and the street.
Canopy trees improve the appearance of every development and parking lot along the way (by adding a touch of beauty that offsets bad architecture, signage, asphalt, etc). And in the summertime, they just make you feel better. Trees that shade sidewalks make walking (and thus transit use) not just bearable, but actually pleasant. They reduce heat islands by reducing surface temperatures by more than 25 degrees (compared to non-shaded areas).
There's plenty of evidence that trees increase property values. There's even mounting evidence that trees make people healthier and happier. There's a correlation between trees and improved health outcomes, longer lifespans, and lower crime.
So... can we bury the utilities and start reaping the benefits of shade trees? In the meantime, we'd have fewer power outages, which represents a major economic benefit / ROI. And we could also save money on tree trimming (aka butchering).
I don't know how this works, related to the city's contract with PSO, but I'm curious. Does anyone know if this is possible?
I'd be all for this.
I'd be all for burying power lines in key areas. Downtown, Cherry Street, Brookside, and some of the narrow arterial streets in midtown like you describe. My recollection is that the cost is astronomical though.
Recyclemichael's presentation for statues all over town was well worth attending the meeting this week. Great job RM!
Here are a couple of quick videos we put together for the Tulsa Art Deco Museum. Nothing specific, just general to start getting the word out a little.
Our goal is to still perhaps find an old building somewhere in the core of downtown and rehab it. Or tag onto some sort of new Central Transit Station Hub project downtown. That way we can also serve as a Visitor/Welcome Center as well.
You can find our new videos on Facebook here.... https://www.facebook.com/tulsaartdecomuseum?fref=ts
Or youtube here...
Help us find a new home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-diO6t8xsw
Some snippets from our Vision Plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLWSqnp_CSQ
Please if you can, take a moment to like us and make a comment on both the Facebook and YouTube posts! It will help!
I thought this was for game changing ideas.....???
Quote from: Breadburner on July 26, 2015, 12:24:53 PM
I thought this was for game changing ideas.....???
It is for game changing ideas. Thats one reason my hope would be to be included with something larger like a Central Transit Station that could be for a future OKC Tulsa route, a downtown circulator and the Bus Rapid Transit to Brookside, connections to Cherry Street and the Pearl and the Park, and a downtown bikeshare program. Why not make that even better by adding more components? Imagine getting off the rail from OKC or being a visitor in town and being welcomed by our Tulsa Art Deco Museum sponsored staff? We would also have information about the city, where to go what to see (we do a lot of this anyway) and we could also have entertaining exhibits that tell the story of Tulsa's Boomtown/Jazz Age history, along with the museum component of showcasing incredible art deco art and artifacts from around the world. Just include some room for us in the transit hub and we would finance the operation of the visitor/welcome center and create the exhibits. We are looking for a permanent home and I think us being part of a new transit hub complex would be a great way to welcome people to the city and proudly showcase something we are so well known for.
Also, we see other people and groups like the PAC, Childrens Museum, Gilcrease, etc. vying for some funds, I feel it would be terribly remiss on behalf of the Tulsa Art Deco Museum if I just sat back and didn't at least try as well.
And... I do think that if we were to get the funding to do a great, all out art deco museum we could be a big part of a renaissance per tourism in Tulsa. Adding this museum to the OK Pop, Gilcrease, Guthrie, Philbrook downtown and Mid-Town, the new Route 66 center, would definitely make us more of a destination and keep people in town, and in downtown longer. I think we have been terribly remiss in not taking advantage of our tourism potential and the economic impact it can have. I mean, I think it's a no brainer for Tulsa to have an Art Deco Museum. It's one of the most obvious of museums that we should have. We have also been exploring the idea of it becoming the Tulsa National Art Deco Museum! That could help put us back on the map.
Move Tulsa Transit's hub to someplace like 11th and peoria where it will intersect the peoria BRT route and hopefully an east-west BRT route as well, then focus on realigning to a grid.
They are asking for ideas...?? Seems like there is a pretty good starter list here on the TulsaNow forum... I may be missing it but so far it seems like the ideas I hear coming from on high don't seem to reflect ideas that people have and talk about very much - like the current Riverside shut down Gathering. Or the water in the river thing. Pet projects that are "pushed" through - the perception is that every big sales tax spend takes at least two or three votes until people just get tired of hearing about it and vote yes just to stop the 'noise'.
In particular, the transit ideas of recent months - small localized, concentrated, intensive transportation modes that could be used by groups of people downtown. Cherry Street. Brookside. Spreading over time to other areas of town. Hub/spokes to outlying areas - Jenks, Sapulpa, Sand Springs, Skiatook, Owasso, Collinsville, Oologah - the entire ring around Tulsa.
Here's a place with a lot of ideas...
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php
Second heading - Talk About Tulsa.
Bold. Game-changing. Literally.
Boston Avenue Multi-sport. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4iom3S1BHo
Unique. Award-Winning. Sustainable. http://au.autodesk.com/las-vegas/sustainability/contest
Although I kinda prefer this location to the TCC one proposed further south...
http://www.newson6.com/story/29612127/downtown-tulsa-parking-lot-looking-for-developers
Hope it happens... would be similar to this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XCH1Nw6trY
Quote from: TulsaRufnex on July 28, 2015, 04:53:42 PM
Bold. Game-changing. Literally.
Boston Avenue Multi-sport. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4iom3S1BHo
Unique. Award-Winning. Sustainable. http://au.autodesk.com/las-vegas/sustainability/contest
Although I kinda prefer this location to the TCC one proposed further south...
http://www.newson6.com/story/29612127/downtown-tulsa-parking-lot-looking-for-developers
Hope it happens... would be similar to this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XCH1Nw6trY
Several of the proposals are interesting. I like that proposal the most as the most game-changing idea and one that will begin to transform previously off-limit lots into a great useful development. It adds a recreation space along with retail and even more parking in the garage.
The PAC lot won't work because this development spans 2 blocks (it will create a bridge over a street).
I'm all for a soccer stadium. I'd prefer it in the East Village though closer to where stuff already is and is growing and expanding. The parking crater has a long way to go before anything infills around it. We've seen how long it's taken to get things done around the BOK Center and OneOk field, and they weren't as far desolate as the crater. Would TCC and the Churches even allow the stadium, or more importantly, infill around it?
For the PAC, it seems someone should propose a diagonal decorative path going from 2nd & Detroit to 3rd & Cincinnati lined with gardens/fountains retail/restaurant space with a parking garage on one side (with spots available to lease) and residential condos on the other (so we can get more ownership of downtown by longer-term residents. Nice affordable condos are a glaring need downtown.).
The diagonal path will more naturally and aesthetically lead people to and from the PAC/Blue Dome areas and make it a more walkable urban experience.
Here is a quick sketch to clarify:
(http://imgur.com/AHGmiF4)
Quote from: DowntownDan on July 29, 2015, 09:42:58 AM
I'm all for a soccer stadium. I'd prefer it in the East Village though closer to where stuff already is and is growing and expanding. The parking crater has a long way to go before anything infills around it. We've seen how long it's taken to get things done around the BOK Center and OneOk field, and they weren't as far desolate as the crater. Would TCC and the Churches even allow the stadium, or more importantly, infill around it?
TCC is on board with the idea. They apparently said so long as the organization developing it can get the funding then they may use the land for that purpose. It will enhance the student/professor experience, providing an outdoor green space with cafe/retail and even more parking than before.
http://www.newson6.com/story/29612127/downtown-tulsa-parking-lot-looking-for-developers (http://www.newson6.com/story/29612127/downtown-tulsa-parking-lot-looking-for-developers)
Finally. I hate the parking crater around the PAC that divides the Deco from the Blue Dome. Build baby build!
I'm not a fan of the soccer stadium on the lots south of TCC. In my opinion that is better suited for a parking garage and student housing for TCC/OSU Tulsa. Run a dedicated base down Cincy and back up Detroit between the schools.
I like the soccer stadium idea. Isn't there enough of a parking crater to accommodate both the soccer complex and some garage parking/housing combo?
The Mohawk soccer complex absolutely needs to be upgraded to have more parking and way, way, way more real restrooms (additional restrooms on the west side, and new real restrooms on the east side). Think there is any way to effectively screen off the view of the landfill?
Streetcar. This is a 2.2 mile line, about the same as what Kansas City is building right now for $120 million
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w46/SWAKE/12130dd8-5d1b-48c9-af16-2866ee1c66b6_zps3zxdvb3t.png)
Fund the operating costs with a .25 or .5 sales tax that is only collected downtown. That's what KC is doing as well.
More Vision Pitches: Soccer Stadium, Trail Connections, Bike Sharinghttp://publicradiotulsa.org/post/more-vision-pitches-soccer-stadium-trail-connections-bike-sharing (http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/more-vision-pitches-soccer-stadium-trail-connections-bike-sharing)
QuoteTulsa city leaders had a long night at a Vision hearing.
"This is good. We don't normally see a crowd like this unless we're doing something you hate," City Councilor Blake Ewing said to a nearly full council chamber before the first speaker came to the podium for what became a nearly four-hour session.
A downtown restaurateur thinks it's time for a soccer stadium. Elliot Nelson said a Vision renewal could provide $30 to $45 million for an 8,000 seat stadium that could be expanded later.
Nelson said he's not just looking for a downtown home for the Roughnecks or a Major League Soccer team. He said Tulsa needs these attractions to keep younger residents from leaving town when they have families.
"So that our next ring of suburban development isn't further out in Owasso, but it is the people who live downtown who now want to live at 11th and Peoria," Nelson said.
Possible locations are Eighth and Boston, Sixth and Frankfort or the Evans Fintube site, though no property owners have been contacted.
Supporters of a bicycle and pedestrian master plan for Tulsa see an opportunity in the possible Vision sales tax renewal. James Wagner with INCOG said the Go Plan could use $15 million for 20 projects.
"They're based on sort of a scientific process, if you will, of looking at metrics of population density and connecting actual places, like TCC and University of Tulsa," Wagner said.
The Go Plan would build on a trail master plan from 16 years ago by connecting neighborhoods to Tulsa's trails and making it easier for people to walk and bike. The Tulsa Health Department is backing the idea, which would add many more miles of bike lanes and split trails.
A bike sharing proposal was among several pitches asking for a piece of the pie during the hearing. INCOG is planning two phases of 12 stations and 108 bikes throughout Tulsa, which would cost $2.5 million.
Jennifer Haddaway with INCOG said the health, quality of life and transportation benefits are obvious, but there's also an economic development piece.
"In Washington, D.C., more than eight out of 10 said they were more likely to visit a business, shop or restaurant with easy access to a bike sharing dock," Haddaway said.
Haddaway says the idea already has private funding commitments of nearly $1 million.
The City of Tulsa recently added more public hearings. The remaining hearings are Aug. 11 and 25 at 6 p.m. in the council chambers at city hall. A list of proposals submitted so far is available online.
My vote would be for the 6th and Frankfort area for the soccer stadium. Isn't that near the site that was being considered for Top Golf? I would much prefer a stadium there. Hopefully it would come with a parking garage to benefit the entire East Village. That area is about to take off and a soccer stadium would speed it up significantly.
Quote from: Townsend on July 30, 2015, 12:34:18 PM
More Vision Pitches: Soccer Stadium, Trail Connections, Bike Sharing
http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/more-vision-pitches-soccer-stadium-trail-connections-bike-sharing (http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/more-vision-pitches-soccer-stadium-trail-connections-bike-sharing)
Four hours? Glad I postponed TUWC's presentation to August 11. Now watch, that will run six hours ;D
The soccer stadium needs to be right at 6th and Frankfurt. I like the BAM model, but the seating capacity is too low or else you could just combine the idea. Roughnecks are required by 2020 to have a soccer stadium so it'll happen and that needs to be in the 8k-12k range. Blake had some good input on other funding options in addition to the tax extension. I also think you can merge a lot of the transportation plans into the stadium so it's blending in with all of the other plans Tulsa has. The Peoria BRT has a stop on 6th at Peoria and Boston so you could have an events stop at Frankfurt. It's not just a stadium people want so they can sit and cheer, there is a pretty passionate belief that incorporating bike lanes, outdoor activities, etc. need to be a part of it as well.
How about putting it completely on existing surface lots instead of demolishing cool, old buildings that are part of the Nordam site.
Quote from: natedog784 on August 01, 2015, 06:53:41 PM
How about putting it completely on existing surface lots instead of demolishing cool, old buildings that are part of the Nordam site.
I agree, unless you could fit it all along Frankfurt between 4th and 6th so that just the old fire station and the Nordam buildings would be torn down and the adjacent buildings along 4th would be preserved as part of the stadium complex. I love the building on 4th with the rounded brick side and glass block.
Parking would be in a joint-use garage serving the stadium and east downtown on the surface lot at 4th/5th & Elgin. One of the main entrances could be where 5th dead ends at Frankfurt similar to Brady at ONEOK Field as well as entrances along 4th and 6th. Keep the architecture consistent with the surrounding 1 and 2 story brick buildings with the field depressed below grade.
Quote from: SXSW on August 02, 2015, 04:36:46 PM
I agree, unless you could fit it all along Frankfurt between 4th and 6th so that just the old fire station and the Nordam buildings would be torn down and the adjacent buildings along 4th would be preserved as part of the stadium complex. I love the building on 4th with the rounded brick side and glass block.
Parking would be in a joint-use garage serving the stadium and east downtown on the surface lot at 4th/5th & Elgin. One of the main entrances could be where 5th dead ends at Frankfurt similar to Brady at ONEOK Field as well as entrances along 4th and 6th. Keep the architecture consistent with the surrounding 1 and 2 story brick buildings with the field depressed below grade.
For certain, is their structured parking in this concept?
Here is the Facebook Page for the Smithsonian Affiliated, National Art Deco Museum
effort we are working on. Please "Like" Us!
https://www.facebook.com/NationalArtDecoMuseum
Video of our National Art Deco Museum presentation at the last Vision 2025 City Hall meeting. Completely unflattering camera angle lol, but what can ya do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaWjHCrBGzM
Our Vision for the Museum. The first slide show has the best amount of info versus the video.
http://tulsaartdecomuseum.com/blog/vision/
Just in case you all didn't know, here are 67 five to ten minute videos of the proposals being pitched to city council.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxLVRqQO1KixmP0Xs8b0jlg/videos
And it looks like a few of them never made presented at city hall, so they never made it on to youtube. The full list can be found here:
https://www.cityoftulsa.org/our-city/vision/submitted-proposals.aspx
Quote from: TheArtist on August 22, 2015, 06:08:23 PM
Here is the Facebook Page for the Smithsonian Affiliated, National Art Deco Museum
effort we are working on. Please "Like" Us!
https://www.facebook.com/NationalArtDecoMuseum
Video of our National Art Deco Museum presentation at the last Vision 2025 City Hall meeting. Completely unflattering camera angle lol, but what can ya do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaWjHCrBGzM
Our Vision for the Museum. The first slide show has the best amount of info versus the video.
http://tulsaartdecomuseum.com/blog/vision/
That is awesome! I really hope a Deco museum can be made. I would like that much better than more dams. It really would enrich a great historical aspect of Tulsa and your proposal is something which could spurn tourism and private businesses along with creating an interactive way to educate about Tulsa.
Quote from: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on September 01, 2015, 12:14:52 PM
That is awesome! I really hope a Deco museum can be made. I would like that much better than more dams. It really would enrich a great historical aspect of Tulsa and your proposal is something which could spurn tourism and private businesses along with creating an interactive way to educate about Tulsa.
Thank You!
You know what can really help? Contact your counselor and let them know you like the idea.
Below is a handy dandy link to a map you can use to find out who your city counselor is. You can send them an e-mail or an IM on their Facebook page.
Step 1. Tulsa City Council Member District Finder (Just click on the map where you live)
http://www.tulsacouncil.org/dis.../district-finder-2014.aspx
Step 2. And here are the City Counselors Facebook pages.
https://www.facebook.com/jack.henderson.3956 District 1 Jack Henderson
https://www.facebook.com/jeannie.richardsoncue District 2 Jeannie Cue
dist3@tulsacouncil.org (no known Facebook page) District 3 David Patrick
https://www.facebook.com/a.blake.ewing District 4 Blake Ewing
https://www.facebook.com/karen.alexandergilbert District 5 Karen Gilbert
https://www.facebook.com/connie.palmerdodson District 6 Connie Dodson
https://www.facebook.com/anna.america.3 District 7 Anna America
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Phil-Lakin-for-Tulsa-City-Council-District-8/127614749121 District 8 Phil Lakin, Jr
https://www.facebook.com/gtbynum District 9 G.T. Bynum
Thanks so much for any help. I really think we can, with the funds we have requested, have a really big impact per the buck long term for Tulsa. One of the things we are looking at is how to build a large space with less funds than other museums often do. We have determined that something built in the manner of a "Big Box" store will do that. It's one of the least expensive types of construction around. I thought of that when I walked into the Home Depot downtown and was looking at that huge expanse and high ceilings and thought "WOW what we could do in a space like this!" even a quarter of that floor space to start with would be incredible. We could create the interior streetscapes idea and on the exterior create different Art Deco Facades that fit right into the rest of downtown. A lot of it would be illusions and Disney type Magic to create a realistic look on a budget, which is what people have flown me around the world to create, including the work I and my team did at Disney, so why not do some of that here? Again, I want to get as much bang for the buck as we can. What we could do would truly be a national draw. If we get the Vision funding, I have no doubt lots more great things will come our way.
Next week one of my friends at the AIA is having me meet and make a presentation to a Young Architects group. They are considering helping us out with our designs and plans. Possibly even creating a charrette for us. Fingers crossed, will let you know what happens.
Also we are beginning to contact the different Art Deco Societies around the country, working on ideas and feeling them out on possibly having them create displays for our museum to represent their cities and states Art Deco treasures. Just tentatively for now until we see if we can actually get on the ballot.
There is so much we could do with this. Btw, for this falls Tulsa Art Deco Museum Internship program we already have 12 high school and college level interns lined up!
Contact your counselor via e-mail or even jut on Facebook! It's easy and I think it will really help us out.
Quote from: TheArtist on September 01, 2015, 08:16:13 PM
Thank You!
You know what can really help? Contact your counselor and let them know you like the idea.
Below is a handy dandy link to a map you can use to find out who your city counselor is. You can send them an e-mail or an IM on their Facebook page.
Step 1. Tulsa City Council Member District Finder (Just click on the map where you live)
http://www.tulsacouncil.org/dis.../district-finder-2014.aspx
Step 2. And here are the City Counselors Facebook pages.
https://www.facebook.com/jack.henderson.3956 District 1 Jack Henderson
https://www.facebook.com/jeannie.richardsoncue District 2 Jeannie Cue
dist3@tulsacouncil.org (no known Facebook page) District 3 David Patrick
https://www.facebook.com/a.blake.ewing District 4 Blake Ewing
https://www.facebook.com/karen.alexandergilbert District 5 Karen Gilbert
https://www.facebook.com/connie.palmerdodson District 6 Connie Dodson
https://www.facebook.com/anna.america.3 District 7 Anna America
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Phil-Lakin-for-Tulsa-City-Council-District-8/127614749121 District 8 Phil Lakin, Jr
https://www.facebook.com/gtbynum District 9 G.T. Bynum
Thanks so much for any help. I really think we can, with the funds we have requested, have a really big impact per the buck long term for Tulsa. One of the things we are looking at is how to build a large space with less funds than other museums often do. We have determined that something built in the manner of a "Big Box" store will do that. It's one of the least expensive types of construction around. I thought of that when I walked into the Home Depot downtown and was looking at that huge expanse and high ceilings and thought "WOW what we could do in a space like this!" even a quarter of that floor space to start with would be incredible. We could create the interior streetscapes idea and on the exterior create different Art Deco Facades that fit right into the rest of downtown. A lot of it would be illusions and Disney type Magic to create a realistic look on a budget, which is what people have flown me around the world to create, including the work I and my team did at Disney, so why not do some of that here? Again, I want to get as much bang for the buck as we can. What we could do would truly be a national draw. If we get the Vision funding, I have no doubt lots more great things will come our way.
Next week one of my friends at the AIA is having me meet and make a presentation to a Young Architects group. They are considering helping us out with our designs and plans. Possibly even creating a charrette for us. Fingers crossed, will let you know what happens.
Also we are beginning to contact the different Art Deco Societies around the country, working on ideas and feeling them out on possibly having them create displays for our museum to represent their cities and states Art Deco treasures. Just tentatively for now until we see if we can actually get on the ballot.
There is so much we could do with this. Btw, for this falls Tulsa Art Deco Museum Internship program we already have 12 high school and college level interns lined up!
Contact your counselor via e-mail or even jut on Facebook! It's easy and I think it will really help us out.
Those sound like great ideas! I will contact my city counselor.
I've been to Chicago, Miami, NYC and LA and really enjoyed finding the Art Deco there (even did a self-guided Art Deco tour in LA). Having displays for some of those cities sounds really neat. That is great you design that kind of art! That would be neat to have interior and exterior "streets" as your presentation mentioned. That would be really neat if the architects can help get schematics of interior/exterior plans to help as a visual aid.
Well rumor has it our odds for getting the National Art Deco Museum project on the next Vision 2025 initiative may not be that good. Today and on the 17th the City Counselors will be debating which projects they want to support having on the ballot. Here is a letter I sent as a last ditch plea. I know it perhaps sounds a bit tough and harsh, but I figured I had to give it one last go. We have been making a lot of progress lately, just perhaps not enough, quick enough. Shame to let something that I believe so such potential go down because of "timing".
"Tulsa's Art Deco heritage is one of the few positive things that Tulsa is known for around the Nation and World. But this great existing city asset has received virtually ZERO financial support from the city. Yet, this asset has constantly been used by the city to promote itself. Art Deco is an existing asset, a great positive name recognition asset, an existing Tourism asset, that has gotten virtually NO funding support from the city. I think most people, especially visitors, when they realize this find it shocking and absurd.
Gilcrease, the PAC, none of those entities will ever have as much name recognition around the nation and world as Art Deco already does for Tulsa. Imagine how much more Tourism, name recognition, and promotional potential our city could have by adding the National Art Deco Museum. Sure, an entity like Gilcrease has a large "asset value", per the city, but it does not have nearly the same name recognition "asset value" that Art Deco has for the city. It does not have nearly the Tourism potential, and thus couldn't bring in nearly the amount of Tourism dollars. Art Deco is a valuable city asset. Gilcrease and the PAC have received huge amounts of financial support via the city compared to what Art Deco (a comparable, if not greater potential Tourism asset) have already received. Now both of those entities are asking for MUCH greater amounts than Art Deco or the potential National Art Deco Museum is asking for.
If we don't support this existing asset and museum effort now, when will we? I, William A. Franklin the founder of the Tulsa Art Deco Museum, am willing to put the Tulsa Art Deco Museum, and now the National Art Deco Museum, as my life's effort. If I don't push and spearhead this effort, who will? Will you? Are you going to do the hard work and put in the commitment to do this? I am gathering more and more people to be with me, but again if I was apparently the only one willing to step up and begin this effort, push for this effort, to make this my life's goal to achieve... If I don't do this, who will? And when? How long is the city and its leadership going to continue putting ever more money into things with lesser tourism potential while something with greater Tourism potential, that the city uses all the time to promote itself, begs for a much smaller share and is ignored? Can you look me in the eye, can you look the people of Tulsa in the eye, and honestly swear that you believe Gilcrease has more Tourism potential than Art Deco or the National Art Deco museum has for our city?
This next Vision 2025 package is the city's chance to Finally support this existing city asset by doing something great, for a comparatively small amount, by bringing a National Art Deco Museum to Tulsa. I am no spring chicken, I may not be around to fight for this the next time. Are you going to take on the task to do it? If not you, and If not me and my supporters, then who? If not now, after all this time, when? Will you say "Yes" or will you say "No"? Please support us."
Sharks?
Quote from: TheArtist on September 10, 2015, 07:31:46 AM
Well rumor has it our odds for getting the National Art Deco Museum project on the next Vision 2025 initiative may not be that good. Today and on the 17th the City Counselors will be debating which projects they want to support having on the ballot. Here is a letter I sent as a last ditch plea. I know it perhaps sounds a bit tough and harsh, but I figured I had to give it one last go. We have been making a lot of progress lately, just perhaps not enough, quick enough. Shame to let something that I believe so such potential go down because of "timing".
The biggest obstacle you face is you are not the charismatic leader of a cult mega-church. If you could just do the "prosperity gospel" pitch and get thousands to come watch you on TV a dozen times a week... Then all those parishioners would tithe and would have already broken ground.
<Insert Sad Face Here>
Councilor Ewing puts forward his own "game-changing" idea:
http://www.newson6.com/story/29996336/city-councilor-to-propose-transit-hub-for-downtown-tulsa
Quote from: DTowner on September 10, 2015, 04:47:54 PM
Councilor Ewing puts forward his own "game-changing" idea:
http://www.newson6.com/story/29996336/city-councilor-to-propose-transit-hub-for-downtown-tulsa
Sounds like he HAS been tuning in here.... Good for Blake!
Blake asked Kinslow, Keith, and Todd to do some renderings. Here's what they came up with.
https://vimeo.com/139608850
Heck of a vision - and practical purposes too. Really cool renderings, lots of private-public partnership to make that happen (which is a good thing, IMHO). It incorporates the existing Jazz Building and the anticipated Pop buildings nicely. Love the idea of the "sky bridge" building (apartments?) and covering the tracks to make green space.
But to think critically...
The Heartland Flyer folks appear to be a little less gun-ho than one would hope - train in operation by June has turned into "we may someday get a train running depending on what goes on with the Oklahoma City depot thing." I understand the need for portal to portal, but they sure bragged about not needing it to get out of the gates. Then again, if we had the train platform it would be easier to say "The line from OKC to Joplin/KC needs to pass through Tulsa, not Wichita). I view losing that line like missing out on an interstate interchange back in the day (cost us big in the long run).
Also, we have an award winning bus station as it stands. With access from 3 sides, room for ~8 buses, and an indoor area for people waiting. What's the plan for that? The new City Hall cost us more than anticipated because we had no plan ahead of time (held it for 3 years at a purported cost of $500k per year, sold it for $1mil). Also, I'm not terribly clear on where the actually buses service is supposed to tie in - utilize the bridges as the bus stop or was there something I was missing?
Adding bike access would be easy. Archer is already a bike route tying into Greenwood, which leads to 1st, which goes East past Hodges Bend to either the trials (which heads south to Central Park, follow the IDL to 918 Cross fit and Cherry Street, then through Maple Ridge to the Gathering Place) or 3rd Street is a "Share the Road" bike route which goes to TU, then past the highschool and straight to east Tulsa or south on New Haven, past/through Expo to Pittsburgh, under the BA, 28th to New Haven again, which goes south to 36th - which Splits east (to the roundabout) and west (to Riverparks). What I'm saying is it could easily tie in --- add some bike lockers and biking to Ball games, gathering place, etc. would be a real possibility. Add a few bike lanes from hodges Bend through downtown and we are really in business. [fwiw, the route on Archer goes to David L Moss, behind which is a homeless camp and the Katy Trail, which leads to Sand Springs, where you head south to Avery Drive and head back home!).
Make it a portal for cabs, lyfts/Uber, those little pedi cabs, the shuttle, etc. and it could be really well utilized. And that's ignoring the green space we added, as well as the benefit of turning a "barrier" into a true bridge between districts.
Canals. There are no canals...
Hi TulsaNow!
Longtime lurker, first time poster here. I'd love your feedback on and hopefully your support for my Vision Proposal.
Here's the video from my council presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_c7fZVyi3U
Cheers!