Yeah, right. I'm not a proponent of the whole GMOs-are-scary movement. So I'm more than a little leary of breathless pronouncements like this one, insisting that no one drink these products because they offend the writer's anti-GMO sensibilities.
Marshalls is not on the list though Guinness is.
http://themindunleashed.org/2014/05/8-beers-stop-drinking-immediately.html (http://themindunleashed.org/2014/05/8-beers-stop-drinking-immediately.html)
There's only two on the list that I would drink, Guinness and Newcastle. Also not quite as paranoid as the writer.
*Phew* I'm safe
(I don't drink)
Lol. Summary of the list - "don't drink anything distributed nationally"
With the exception of the occasional Newcastle or Guinness, I never drink any of the beers on the list. Not sure why Newcastle would use artificial color. To get color in beer you use barley which has been roasted to varying degrees of darkness. Once high fructose corn syrup has been converted to alcohol is it still quite as bad for you?
Fish bladder (insignglass) has been used for centuries to clarify beer, so has gelatin. My understanding is the beechwood that Bud uses to age it's beers is used to help clarify the beer. Apparently spent yeast will cling to it.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 22, 2015, 11:19:48 AM
Fish bladder (insignglass) has been used for centuries to clarify beer, so has gelatin. My understanding is the beechwood that Bud uses to age it's beers is used to help clarify the beer. Apparently spent yeast will cling to it.
I looked up isinglass. It's true that it comes from fish bladders. It's a collagen, a kind of protein that causes yeast to clump and settle to the bottom of a keg or vat. I suspect the author included it for the icky factor.
It's a sloppy piece of so-called journalism.
Quote from: Ed W on March 22, 2015, 04:30:47 PM
I looked up isinglass. It's true that it comes from fish bladders. It's a collagen, a kind of protein that causes yeast to clump and settle to the bottom of a keg or vat. I suspect the author included it for the icky factor.
It's a sloppy piece of so-called journalism.
Don't you wonder how discoveries are made?
"Vladimir, let's put fish guts in our beer to see if it makes it clear!"
Big stories today about a massive lawsuit over arsenic in wine, yet none of them detailed the amounts. Next it'll be trace amounts of radiation.
I've never used isinglass in beer but I have used it in several meads. Looks good, works fine, lasts a long time.
I use Irish Moss (seaweed, I believe) during the boil to clarify beer. A secondary fermentation also helps clarify beer.
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 22, 2015, 10:55:30 PM
I've never used isinglass in beer but I have used it in several meads. Looks good, works fine, lasts a long time.
I use Irish Moss (seaweed, I believe) during the boil to clarify beer. A secondary fermentation also helps clarify beer.
I also use Irish Moss in my stouts. I would expect to see it in Guinness.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 22, 2015, 09:07:46 PM
Don't you wonder how discoveries are made?
"Vladimir, let's put fish guts in our beer to see if it makes it clear!"
My thoughts exactly.
I love all of the consumption fads.
1. If you eat wheat, corn, or any other grain, you are eating a GMO product that has been GMO'd for hundreds of years.
2. MSG occurs naturally (sometimes in very high concentrations) in tomatoes, mushrooms, hard cheeses, and millions of other foods.
3. Carrageenan is a polysaccharide from seaweed used to clarify the haze in a beer during the brewing process. In most cases powdered flakes are used. Particulates attach to the substance like a magnet and are more easily filtered out.
4. The level of fructose used (HFCS or otherwise) is meaningless since the majority of it is converted to alcohol.
There is nothing more unhealthy in a beer than the alcohol itself. Not all the sugars are converted into ethanol. There is also methanol and several other alcohols that form as a result of the breakdown of cellulose and other components in the wheat/corn/rice, besides just starch. Commonly called "wood alcohol," those components represent far more of a health risk to you than corn that was bread to resist smut.
This is kind of like focusing on the health risks of the paper used to roll cigarettes. :D
I am writing a new diet book that focuses on regular intake of preservatives. I know what they do to meat and I figure our bodies are mostly meat as well.
As your online doctor, I recommend a convenience store hot dog and to call me in the morning.
And how are we supposed to take that hot dog, Michael?
Quote from: Gaspar on March 24, 2015, 09:08:38 AM
I love all of the consumption fads.
1. If you eat wheat, corn, or any other grain, you are eating a GMO product that has been GMO'd for hundreds of years.
2. MSG occurs naturally (sometimes in very high concentrations) in tomatoes, mushrooms, hard cheeses, and millions of other foods.
3. Carrageenan is a polysaccharide from seaweed used to clarify the haze in a beer during the brewing process. In most cases powdered flakes are used. Particulates attach to the substance like a magnet and are more easily filtered out.
4. The level of fructose used (HFCS or otherwise) is meaningless since the majority of it is converted to alcohol.
There is nothing more unhealthy in a beer than the alcohol itself. Not all the sugars are converted into ethanol. There is also methanol and several other alcohols that form as a result of the breakdown of cellulose and other components in the wheat/corn/rice, besides just starch. Commonly called "wood alcohol," those components represent far more of a health risk to you than corn that was bread to resist smut.
This is kind of like focusing on the health risks of the paper used to roll cigarettes. :D
Which is why I smoke my hydroponic organic tobacco in a vaporizer with organic air.
Quote from: rdj on March 24, 2015, 01:54:35 PM
Which is why I smoke my hydroponic organic tobacco in a vaporizer with organic air.
Organic air just tastes better.
Quote from: rdj on March 24, 2015, 01:54:35 PM
Which is why I smoke my hydroponic organic tobacco in a vaporizer with organic air.
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Quote from: RecycleMichael on March 24, 2015, 10:30:37 AM
I am writing a new diet book that focuses on regular intake of preservatives. I know what they do to meat and I figure our bodies are mostly meat as well.
As your online doctor, I recommend a convenience store hot dog and to call me in the morning.
My daughter has requested that all of her meals include QuikTrip egg rolls. :-\
Quote from: RecycleMichael on March 24, 2015, 10:30:37 AM
I am writing a new diet book that focuses on regular intake of preservatives. I know what they do to meat and I figure our bodies are mostly meat as well.
As your online doctor, I recommend a convenience store hot dog and to call me in the morning.
How about Coney Islander? Can that substitute for the convenience store dog??
On the list I will drink Corona, Guiness, and PBR from time to time. And will continue to do so.
The "dangerous' stuff list:
GMO Corn Syrup - aka corn syrup. aka 96% pure glucose. (cane sugar is almost 50/50 sucrose and glucose)
GMO Corn - aka corn.
High Fructose Corn Syrup - up to 90% fructose. Most commercially used variants are almost 50/50 fructose and glucose... so, basically sugar. (if pesky peer reviewed science journals like American Journal of Clinical Nutrition can be believed over crazies on the internet)
Fish Bladder- great example of "icky must be bad."
Propylene glycol - not sure what this is, didn't bother looking it up given the contents of this list thus far. But i sounds scary.
Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) - seaweed. No study has ever linked this with the negative side effects it is known for. More recent studies actually declared the "cause and effect" it a fallacy.
Natural Flavors - umm, isn't that good?
GMO Sugars - sugar.
Caramel Coloring - I don't really like artificial coloring, but for all I know caramel is used to add the color... so what?
Insect-Based Dyes - well thank god it's all natural. Americans unknowingly eat up to 2 pounds of bugs a year according to scientific america.
Carrageenan - irish moss = more seaweed. I thought natural was good?
BPA - developed in the 1860s, used to line cans mostly. Synthetic estrogen. If you eat foods from a can, container, or from a restaurant... you ingest BPA. And so did your parents, grandparents, and great grand parents.
& lots more...
Presumably the "lots more" are even less scary...
I need a drink.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on March 30, 2015, 06:35:40 PM
On the list I will drink Corona, Guiness, and PBR from time to time. And will continue to do so.
The "dangerous' stuff list:
GMO Corn Syrup - aka corn syrup. aka 96% pure glucose. (cane sugar is almost 50/50 sucrose and glucose)
GMO Corn - aka corn.
High Fructose Corn Syrup - up to 90% fructose. Most commercially used variants are almost 50/50 fructose and glucose... so, basically sugar. (if pesky peer reviewed science journals like American Journal of Clinical Nutrition can be believed over crazies on the internet)
Fish Bladder- great example of "icky must be bad."
Propylene glycol - not sure what this is, didn't bother looking it up given the contents of this list thus far. But i sounds scary.
Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) - seaweed. No study has ever linked this with the negative side effects it is known for. More recent studies actually declared the "cause and effect" it a fallacy.
Natural Flavors - umm, isn't that good?
GMO Sugars - sugar.
Caramel Coloring - I don't really like artificial coloring, but for all I know caramel is used to add the color... so what?
Insect-Based Dyes - well thank god it's all natural. Americans unknowingly eat up to 2 pounds of bugs a year according to scientific america.
Carrageenan - irish moss = more seaweed. I thought natural was good?
BPA - developed in the 1860s, used to line cans mostly. Synthetic estrogen. If you eat foods from a can, container, or from a restaurant... you ingest BPA. And so did your parents, grandparents, and great grand parents.
& lots more...
Presumably the "lots more" are even less scary...
I need a drink.
Biggest direct observable effect right now for GMO is how it affects pollinators - when there is effectively "insecticide" genes in the plant, the bees are gonna die from the pollen. Since pollinators are dropping like flies...maybe it won't matter real soon!
And the glyphosate resistance means more an more of it is needed for weed control. Maybe that's why it's use has soared over the last couple decades...
About the sugars....well, all of them are poison. But the HFCS fools your pancreas by going 'underground'. Does not respond the same way as to other sugars.
Propylene glycol - anti-freeze. Not really - used to make plastics. Base for deicing solutions - like what you put in your windshield washer tank. Propane-1,2-diol And food....sort of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol
Natural flavors - I suspect most of them are just coal tar derivatives....
MSG treated rats - treated to make fat for experiments. Maybe that explains why I have so much extra weight and love Chinese food so much!! And SWMBO gets a headache when gets it in larger concentrations in food.
BPA - ancestors really didn't get that much of it. Parents some, but grand and greats - no. But I am so old that they didn't use plastic that much - wasn't much of it around then. What we think of as plastics was from the 30's, and it took until after WWII to become prevalent. More cast iron and aluminum world. Probably better than lead for tin cans. Interesting timeline - but good to know that Dow and BASF have our best interests at heart! I wonder if JAMA is really a radical, extremist left wing clandestine organization - as might be inferred from their statements on BPA. With lots of references....
http://www.ewg.org/research/timeline-bpa-invention-phase-out
You didn't mention aluminum - I think there is a bad connection there - it's in every anti-perspirant for the last 30+ years! What has happened in Alzheimer's in that time?