Remarkable and historical sight. Palestinians marching with Jews, tyrants marching with democracies, all in solidarity against radical Islamic terrorism. The leaders of the free (and not so free) world and over 1 million civilians marched arm-in-arm. Just like after WWII, France became the capital of the world.
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It seems that the only thing that the terrorists (or "Activists" as CNN's Christiane Amanpour calles them) accomplished is strengthening the world-wide united front against Islamic terrorism.
Many of these countries (Over 40), if not most, represent enormous Islamic populations, and to see their leaders lock arms and hear the cheers of the people, must be transformative, and is exactly what the world needs to generate hope and usher in change.
The kids and I had a long talk, and then watched it unfold on TV. I doubt they will ever forget it, or the solum faces of the leaders as they marched.
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Go ahead and let the shoe drop. NO senior U.S. officials were present. No Obama, no Biden, no Kerry, and I believe no Holder.
And Jon Stewart has added his thoughts, which to many in here is tantamount Gospel.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/what-the-fck-jon-stewart-trashes-obama-for-paris-rally-absence/
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Quote from: guido911 on January 12, 2015, 06:55:36 PM
Go ahead and let the shoe drop. NO senior U.S. officials were present. No Obama, no Biden, no Kerry, and I believe no Holder.
Do you honestly give a rat'sass this time or are you just bitching because you consider it opportune?
Perhaps the back-story is, that they didn't invite him.
He seems to want to make everything about himself, so to allow this to happen in his absence, actually gave it more meaning internationally.
I think if he was invited and opted not to go, the White House would have prepared statements on his reason not to attend, and more than likely some circumstance that would provide absolute justification. Further more, they would have most certainly sent another high-ranking member. Holder was already there, with a security detail, so there can't be any such excuse. However, the fact that the White House is now saying that they made a mistake, tells me that they would rather have a domestic sword to fall on, than admit world leaders would dismiss the presence of Obama. This is bolstered, rather oddly, by many of the other world leaders who were in attendance, admitting to various news sources that they were in no way offended by President Obama's absence. For most countries, any degree of political solidarity with a sitting US president is worth it's weight in gold, and many of these leaders have never even gotten close to the president for a photo-op.
This is just another thing we will learn more about in the months to come. I could have sworn he was there though. Way back in the back as usual. You just have to look really close.
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Made up outrage once again by gaspar.
40 world leaders attended. I am not the expert on world geography that gaspar must be but I am pretty sure that there are more countries than that.
If President Obama would have gone, gaspar would have posted that he only went there to play golf.
What will gaspar do with all his spare time when Obama leaves office? Hopefully, something worthwhile instead of the B.S. he posts on this forum every day.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on January 13, 2015, 03:18:50 PM
Made up outrage once again by gaspar.
40 world leaders attended. I am not the expert on world geography that gaspar must be but I am pretty sure that there are more countries than that.
If President Obama would have gone, gaspar would have posted that he only went there to play golf.
What will gaspar do with all his spare time when Obama leaves office? Hopefully, something worthwhile instead of the B.S. he posts on this forum every day.
What do you bet Obama gets bored with golf in retirement and takes up politics as a hobby?
Quote from: RecycleMichael on January 13, 2015, 03:18:50 PMMade up outrage once again by gaspar.
40 world leaders attended. I am not the expert on world geography that gaspar must be but I am pretty sure that there are more countries than that.
If President Obama would have gone, gaspar would have posted that he only went there to play golf.
What will gaspar do with all his spare time when Obama leaves office? Hopefully, something worthwhile instead of the B.S. he posts on this forum every day.
Actually I didn't post anything in this thread about Obama's absence from the event until after others already commented, but I admire your devotion to defending Obama at any cost. Followers with that degree of furrier are getting harder for him to cultivate, and therefore of great value to his legacy.
You are most certainly correct, several countries were absent. North Korea, China, Zimbabwe, Malta, and Granada were not there, also Lichtenstein and Nauru were no-shows. Actually the only countries that had representation were those willing to represent a united front against terrorism. I think the most astonishing aspect of the whole event was a show of solidarity between Isreal and Palestine in condemning terrorism. That image will serve as a symbol for the future.
This really was't a right wing/left wing issue. Democrats and liberals in the media expressed the same disappointment. Jake Tapper on CNN said he was embarrassed by Obama's absence, and spent the better part of the day discussing it. Katy Couric questioned it, and Jon Stewart offered strong words of ridicule and parody. Nearly the entire WH Press Corps questioned Josh Earnest as to the reason for no representation, then after offering several different excuses for the the president's absence, finally yesterday afternoon the White House admitted themselves that it was a mistake.
So I really don't sense any unjustified degree of scrutiny from my previous post. I was simply trying to offer a hypothetical reason based on the little we know from the White House. However there are still those, even today, even after the White House admitted the mistake, like Ronan Farrow (cries quietly into his sweater) and Jimmy Carter (Obama gives him great joy), who are admirably defending the President's decision not to attend. I think Jimmy's explanation was by far the best.
“President Obama’s just come back from vacation, and I know how it is when you’ve been gone for a week or two,” Carter said in an interview with Yahoo Global News Anchor Katie Couric. “Your desk is piled up, and he had other pressing problems to address. So I don’t think there’s any reflection on our country or no criticism is worthy.” Meanwhile President Obama was meeting with the Spurs Basketball team for a photo-op.
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It's been a long time since I've seen that Victrolla dog WDaF look on Katy's face. It was refreshing. Jimmy still knows how to bring an interview to a halt.
Quote from: Gaspar on January 13, 2015, 05:00:00 PM
Actually I didn't post anything in this thread about Obama's absence from the event until after others already commented,
You are guido911 are a tag team conspiring together to attack Obama.
I bet you guys even wear the same outfits when you attend the secret society meetings.
Kerry gets a pass....he was in India/Pakistan jawboning to keep them from throwing nukes at each other. I bet we got off with only paying them a couple billion each this time....
Holder is the chief dipstick in charge on this one - he was already there!! Even if Obama didn't ask him to stay, he is at a level where he should have taken the initiative no matter what the other members of the clown show were doing.
Not to worry, Michael. If President Obama had attended the march in Paris our conservatives could be relied upon to whine about that too.
Quote from: Ed W on January 13, 2015, 09:32:29 PM
Not to worry, Michael. If President Obama had attended the march in Paris our conservatives could be relied upon to whine about that too.
I personally would have crucified him for a foie gras shortage which would have definitely been his fault.
Quote from: Townsend on January 13, 2015, 12:15:48 PM
Do you honestly give a rat'sass this time or are you just bitching because you consider it opportune?
I have got to know. What is it like up Obama's whatever?
Quote from: RecycleMichael on January 13, 2015, 06:24:48 PM
You are guido911 are a tag team conspiring together to attack Obama.
Um, did you forget you used to bash Obama? I mean, before tribal party loyalty required you to look beyond all his faults
you pointed out he had BEFORE Hillary lost the 2008 primary. Memory lane...
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=9376.0
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=9704.0
Do you want more?
Quote from: Ed W on January 13, 2015, 09:32:29 PM
Not to worry, Michael. If President Obama had attended the march in Paris our conservatives could be relied upon to whine about that too.
Someone tell the Obama administration to stop whining about not sending someone high profile from the Obama administration to France...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/01/12/obama-paris-march-terrorist-josh-earnest-john-kerry-ted-cruz/21639383/
Have you ever heard the expression "lead with one's chin"?
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 13, 2015, 06:52:42 PM
Kerry gets a pass....he was in India/Pakistan jawboning to keep them from throwing nukes at each other. I bet we got off with only paying them a couple billion each this time....
Holder is the chief dipstick in charge on this one - he was already there!! Even if Obama didn't ask him to stay, he is at a level where he should have taken the initiative no matter what the other members of the clown show were doing.
Are you telling us that the unity rally attended by millions was a clown show, or just the Obama administration. No matter, here are some of the world leaders that attended.
QuoteWorld leaders joined French President Francois Hollande, including British Prime Minister David Cameron, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy. The day also brought together an unlikely duo at the rally: Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
"World leaders" apparently does not mean anyone above the rank of "ambassador" as far as the U.S. goes. But who cares, right? I mean, it's not like the world came to the United States' side after 9/11.
I had hoped this latest terrorist attack would have unified the world, and the unity rally appeared to demonstrate something unique-especially with Israel and Palestinian Authority both being there. Here's another article discussing the rally.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/11/world/charlie-hebdo-paris-march/
Quote from: guido911 on January 14, 2015, 01:43:08 AM
Um, did you forget you used to bash Obama? I mean, before tribal party loyalty required you to look beyond all his faults you pointed out he had BEFORE Hillary lost the 2008 primary. Memory lane...
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=9376.0
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=9704.0
Do you want more?
Political aspirations can cause people to choose strange bedfellows. You can indeed be against something before you are for it.
I think that there are some though, who did not like Obama at first, but only after seeing him in action, found him to be a great leader, truly transformative and uniting.
Back to the subject. . .
It seems my initial hypothesis may hold true. The White House is now claiming that the president was never notified of the gathering. I suspect we will eventually learn that, outside of intelligence service reporting, neither was the White House.
As president it must be frustrating to have to rely on civilian news organizations for intelligence.
Quote from: guido911 on January 14, 2015, 02:09:35 AM
Are you telling us that the unity rally attended by millions was a clown show, or just the Obama administration. No matter, here are some of the world leaders that attended.
"World leaders" apparently does not mean anyone above the rank of "ambassador" as far as the U.S. goes. But who cares, right? I mean, it's not like the world came to the United States' side after 9/11.
I had hoped this latest terrorist attack would have unified the world, and the unity rally appeared to demonstrate something unique-especially with Israel and Palestinian Authority both being there. Here's another article discussing the rally.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/11/world/charlie-hebdo-paris-march/
The Obama clown show...
Just because I attack the predecessor for being even worse, I don't like Obama any more than that previous Clown Show! Note the relative differences shown by the capital letters....
Quote from: Gaspar on January 14, 2015, 05:51:20 AM
Political aspirations can cause people to choose strange bedfellows. You can indeed be against something before you are for it.
You mean like how the Republicontins were all in favor of the Affordable Care act concept, especially when Mitt actually implemented it first at the state level in MA....?
But then, when the Dems agreed that it was a good idea.... well, you know the rest - we have a thread on it here!
I think it's called something like "Defending yourself against something the Repubs started, but then went against when Obama and Dem Congress got it to work..."
Quote from: guido911 on January 14, 2015, 01:33:38 AM
I have got to know. What is it like up Obama's whatever?
I never mentioned anyone. I asked "Do you honestly give a rat'sass this time or are you just bitching because you consider it opportune?"
Quote from: Townsend on January 14, 2015, 12:41:50 PM
I never mentioned anyone. I asked "Do you honestly give a rat'sass this time or are you just bitching because you consider it opportune?"
Okay. For some strange reason since I saw your post underneath a quoted post of mine you were speaking to me.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 14, 2015, 08:40:48 AM
The Obama clown show...
Just because I attack the predecessor for being even worse, I don't like Obama any more than that previous Clown Show! Note the relative differences shown by the capital letters....
Which administration is not a clown show, notwithstanding the capitalization?
Quote from: guido911 on January 14, 2015, 01:08:20 PM
Which administration is not a clown show, notwithstanding the capitalization?
Most are. Gerald Ford was the last one that wasn't. Terribly sad for the country that he was not elected for his own terms!
Please tell me this is BS:
https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/556073882910597120
Quote from: guido911 on January 16, 2015, 07:53:49 AM
Please tell me this is BS:
https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/556073882910597120
Apparently not!
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U-S Secretary of State Kerry brings James Taylor to Paris...he sings "You've Got a Friend" at news conference.
♫ Winter, Spring, Summer or Fall, all you got to do is call.
And I'll be there sometime next week maybe¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ♫
Oh, Lord this is uncomfortable to watch.
John Kerry sways gently, as he sings the words and makes purposeful eye-contact with each French leader.
Quote from: Gaspar on January 16, 2015, 08:28:04 AM
Oh, Lord this is uncomfortable to watch.
John Kerry sways gently, as he sings the words and makes purposeful eye-contact with each French leader.
The sentiment is good, but it was just such a goofball way to do that...! Almost painful to watch. Except for the James Taylor part - always good to see him.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 16, 2015, 08:50:40 AM
The sentiment is good, but it was just such a goofball way to do that...! Almost painful to watch. Except for the James Taylor part - always good to see him.
Kerry presenting French president Hollande with his totally killer mixtape was a nice touch.
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Quote from: Gaspar on January 16, 2015, 09:07:50 AM
Kerry presenting French president Hollande with his totally killer mixtape was a nice touch.
Kerry is a 'lone wolf' in this, since most of the US (you know which side) still pretty much hates the French. Oh, well...
Rumor is that Kerry will dispatch Michael Bolton to Syria next.
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Quote from: Gaspar on January 16, 2015, 11:50:51 AM
Rumor is that Kerry will dispatch Michael Bolton to Syria next.
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"Cue the Bolton!"
Quote from: Gaspar on January 16, 2015, 11:50:51 AM
Rumor is that Kerry will dispatch Michael Bolton to Syria next.
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No talent assclown
You can purchase the whole collection, but you have to act now!
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Taking it up a notch. . . earlier today, Obama held a joint press conference with David Cameron and summarized his current foreign policy, by having KISS perform "All Hell's Breakin' Loose."
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This "Kerry-Tayor" diplomacy meme is going to be great. Too bad it is just so embarrassing.
Quote from: guido911 on January 16, 2015, 04:40:01 PM
This "Kerry-Tayor" diplomacy meme is going to be great. Too bad it is just so embarrassing.
Eh, to whom? I've not seen anyone hiding their face from other folks about this.
Have you found yourself apologizing to others due to your embarrassment?
Quote from: Townsend on January 17, 2015, 08:45:01 AM
Eh, to whom? I've not seen anyone hiding their face from other folks about this.
Have you found yourself apologizing to others due to your embarrassment?
Are you talking to me, the corner, or the wind this time? But when it comes to Kerry being embarrassing, there is no one around for me to apologize to because the public is used to it.
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And there's this: "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it."
:o
Quote from: guido911 on January 19, 2015, 04:38:19 AM
Are you talking to me, the corner, or the wind this time? But when it comes to Kerry being embarrassing, there is no one around for me to apologize to because the public is used to it.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how important is this to you?
10 being super duper important.
Quote from: Townsend on January 19, 2015, 12:10:47 PM
On a scale of 1 to 10, how important is this to you?
10 being super duper important.
Only if there is a way to put money in his pocket so he can buy a $40k car for his kid.