The Supreme Court refuses to take up any of the appeals on Gay Marriage letting the lower courts rulings stand opening Gay Marriage up in 11 new states including Oklahoma.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-declines-to-rule-on-same-sex-marriage-1412603670
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2014-10-06/us-supreme-court-refuses-to-rule-on-gay-marriage
I'd say "finally, let's move on and do something constructive with our time..."
but that'd be silly of me.
I doubt it because people like Sally Howe Smith will continue to refuse to issue licenses and will continue to fight it. From the WSJ article you posted:
QuoteWASHINGTON—The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday declined to consider whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry, a surprise action that leaves the issue unresolved nationwide.
Seven appeals on the issue involving same-sex marriage bans in five states had landed on the court's doorstep while the justices were away on their summer break. State officials defending same-sex marriage bans, as well as gay couples challenging...
Quote from: Conan71 on October 06, 2014, 09:29:02 AM
I doubt it because people like Sally Howe Smith will continue to refuse to issue licenses and will continue to fight it. From the WSJ article you posted:
Then wouldn't she legally be in contempt of court?
Quote from: Hoss on October 06, 2014, 10:05:36 AM
Then wouldn't she legally be in contempt of court?
Yes, it's not resolved nationally. But with the appeal of appellate ruling overturning the ban here being denied a hearing, it is the law here in Oklahoma.
Quote from: Hoss on October 06, 2014, 10:05:36 AM
Then wouldn't she legally be in contempt of court?
Since when has that stopped teh stoopidz in Oklahoma?
Quote from: Conan71 on October 06, 2014, 10:16:12 AM
Since when has that stopped teh stoopidz in Oklahoma?
Well, it is going to be hard to go home tonight and tell my wife that our marriage is ruined now that the gays can marry. I'm not sure how she's going to take it.
Quote from: swake on October 06, 2014, 10:19:57 AM
Well, it is going to be hard to go home tonight and tell my wife that our marriage is ruined now that the gays can marry. I'm not sure how she's going to take it.
Some wives may figure out they've got more and better options.
Now cowboys will marry their horses. (Where's Uncle Kimchi when you really need his brand of stoopid)
Quote from: Conan71 on October 06, 2014, 10:57:51 AM
(Where's Uncle Kimchi when you really need his brand of stoopid)
Well he's not running by the Gathering Place apparently.
Supreme Court Will Not Hear Oklahoma Same Sex Appealhttp://publicradiotulsa.org/post/supreme-court-will-not-hear-oklahoma-same-sex-appeal (http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/supreme-court-will-not-hear-oklahoma-same-sex-appeal)
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QuoteWASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court has turned away appeals from five states seeking to prohibit same-sex marriages, paving the way for an immediate expansion of gay and lesbian unions.
The justices on Monday did not comment in rejecting appeals from Indiana, Oklahoma, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin.
The court's order immediately ends delays on marriage in those states. Couples in six other states should be able to get married in short order.
That would make same-sex marriage legal in 30 states and the District of Columbia.
But the justices have left unresolved for now the question of same-sex marriage nationwide.
So is this when you're supposed to say "if you don't like it, you can go ahead and leave"? I've certainly heard that line a few times.
And Mary hath spoken!
Quote
Governor Mary Fallin released the following statement,
"The people of Oklahoma have the right to determine how marriage is defined. In 2004, Oklahomans exercised that right, voting by a margin of 3-1 to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman.
The will of the people has now been overridden by unelected federal justices, accountable to no one. That is both undemocratic and a violation of states' rights. Rather than allowing states to make their own policies that reflect the values and views of their residents, federal judges have inserted themselves into a state issue to pursue their own agendas.
Today's decision has been cast by the media as a victory for gay rights. What has been ignored, however, is the right of Oklahomans – and Americans in every state – to write their own laws and govern themselves as they see fit. Those rights have once again been trampled by an arrogant, out-of -control federal government that wants to substitute Oklahoma values with Washington, D.C. values."
Quote from: swake on October 06, 2014, 12:53:34 PM
And Mary hath spoken!
I don't think she's being told how the whole thing works...or she knows most Oklahomans don't know how the judicial branch works and she knows this is what to say to get elected.
Quote from: Townsend on October 06, 2014, 01:21:50 PM
I don't think she's being told how the whole thing works...or she knows most Oklahomans don't know how the judicial branch works and she knows this is what to say to get elected.
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Quote from: swake on October 06, 2014, 12:53:34 PM
And Mary hath spoken!
"The will of the people has now been overridden by unelected federal justices, accountable to no one. That is both undemocratic and a violation of states' rights. Rather than allowing states to make their own policies that reflect the values and views of their residents, federal judges have inserted themselves into a state issue to pursue their own agendas."
Amazing how this messaging parallels desegregation, voting, and other civil rights legislation a generation ago. You would think people would learn from the past.
And whoever commented on this being just for election positioning is spot-on. Nothing like appealing to the lowest common denominator voter.
I'll. Be. Damned.
Bishop and Baldwin have been issued a marriage license. I figured Sally Howe Smith would ignore the ruling and refuse to issue one.
QuoteFirst same-sex marriage license issued in Tulsa County
Two Tulsa women who were at the center of a gay marriage case that was appealed all the way to the Supreme Court received a marriage license Monday afternoon at the Tulsa County Courthouse.
Mary Bishop and Sharon Baldwin filed the lawsuit after Oklahoma voters approved a ban on same-sex marriage in 2004.
They argued that they were denied equal protection and due process under the law when they were not granted a marriage license by Tulsa County Court Clerk Sally Howe Smith.
"For 99 percent of same-sex couples in Oklahoma, it's the dream day," Baldwin said after she and Bishop received their license about 1:20 p.m. in the court clerk's office. "We're no longer second-class citizens in our own state."
The couple were planning a wedding later Monday afternoon on the courthouse plaza.
Another same-sex couple applied for a marriage license in Oklahoma County around the same time.
The Supreme Court on Monday morning turned away appeals from five states seeking to prohibit same-sex marriages, paving the way for an immediate expansion of gay and lesbian unions.
The justices on Monday did not comment in rejecting appeals from Indiana, Oklahoma, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin. No other state cases were currently pending with the high court, but the justices stopped short of resolving for now the question of same-sex marriage nationwide.
The court's order immediately ends delays on marriage in those states.
"We are no doubt as stunned as the rest of the country with regard to the Supreme Court's decision today to deny cert to all seven of the same-sex marriage cases before it," said Bishop and Baldwin in a statement earlier Monday.
Bishop is an editor at the Tulsa World, and Baldwin is a former Tulsa World editor.
Toby Jenkins, director of the executive director of Oklahomans for Equality, had asked other same-sex couples "to stand down" and allow Bishop and Baldwin to be the first same-sex couple to apply for a marriage license.
"It will be like a tsunami" here when same-sex couples begin to arrive, Jenkins said.
He said the Supreme Court decision this morning was unexpected but welcome.
"I'm super-surprised. So are our attorneys. I thought (the court) would take at least one of them ... and we were hoping it would be Oklahoma," Jenkins said.
Part of the concern is that a patchwork of laws remain.
"We've watched what happens when one state has marriage equality and another does not," he said.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/usworld/first-same-sex-marriage-license-issued-in-tulsa-county/article_6ff735f2-6aa3-560a-9ca8-e5c3604d6a77.html
Quote from: Conan71 on October 06, 2014, 02:28:44 PM
I'll. Be. Damned.
Bishop and Baldwin have been issued a marriage license. I figured Sally Howe Smith would ignore the ruling and refuse to issue one.
Was she present?
Quote from: Townsend on October 06, 2014, 02:35:49 PM
Was she present?
No idea, newspaper article did not say. She was the twit who refused to issue it before.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 06, 2014, 03:15:22 PM
No idea, newspaper article did not say. She was the twit who refused to issue it before.
I doubt she had any choice, since that denial was specifically what the court case was about. She has her court order, it's the ruling for the appeals court that the SC refused to reconsider.
Quote from: swake on October 06, 2014, 01:38:37 PM
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I sent that pic to a couple of co-workers. It's already hanging on the bulletin board! On the down low, of course. HR will probably have a cow, but it's funny anyway!
Quote from: rebound on October 06, 2014, 01:54:50 PM
Amazing how this messaging parallels desegregation, voting, and other civil rights legislation a generation ago.
Actually approaching 2 generations. You must be getting to geezerhood too.
:D
Quote from: Conan71 on October 06, 2014, 10:16:12 AM
Since when has that stopped teh stoopidz in Oklahoma?
February 30, 1932
;D
I saw this and it was so cogent and comprehensive, I just took it as is....
Oklahoma Governor, Mary Fallin, a divorced Christian adulteress, is super angry today about gays undermining marriage.
She hates the competition.
Older news, but still pertinent....
No conflict of interest possible here....we all know how there is no corruption, graft, or ethical problems with the workers compensation system in Oklahoma....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/18/wade-christensen-husband-_n_1102186.html
Quote from: Townsend on October 06, 2014, 09:27:36 AM
I'd say "finally, let's move on and do something constructive with our time..."
but that'd be silly of me.
I agree. Why the world has to stop over gay marriage is so important.
Quote from: Townsend on October 06, 2014, 12:28:23 PM
Supreme Court Will Not Hear Oklahoma Same Sex Appeal
So is this when you're supposed to say "if you don't like it, you can go ahead and leave"? I've certainly heard that line a few times.
There was a bumper sticker in that 60's that said; "America...Love it or Leave it!"
The contrarian view was; "America....Change it or Lose it!"
Still applies....
Guess which one was on the back wooden bumper of my '61 VW Beetle with the daisy stickers on it?
The weirdest thing has been happening the past couple days... All my straight neighbors are getting divorced and marrying goats. I have no idea what's going on....
Quote from: PonderInc on October 08, 2014, 12:38:49 PM
The weirdest thing has been happening the past couple days... All my straight neighbors are getting divorced and marrying goats. I have no idea what's going on....
Goats just don't get me.
Quote from: PonderInc on October 08, 2014, 12:38:49 PM
The weirdest thing has been happening the past couple days... All my straight neighbors are getting divorced and marrying goats. I have no idea what's going on....
Fresh milk and warm coats?
Quote from: PonderInc on October 08, 2014, 12:38:49 PM
The weirdest thing has been happening the past couple days... All my straight neighbors are getting divorced and marrying goats. I have no idea what's going on....
Gay marriage has that effect on straight marriages....
By the way. It's same sex marriage. Saying Gay marriage is being racist toward Lesbians. ::)
Quote from: DolfanBob on October 08, 2014, 03:49:13 PM
By the way. It's same sex marriage. Saying Gay marriage is being racist toward Lesbians. ::)
Oops...sorry! I'm old and may not be as politically correct as I should be....
Correction;
Same sex marriage has that effect on straight marriages....
Quote from: DolfanBob on October 08, 2014, 03:49:13 PM
By the way. It's same sex marriage. Saying Gay marriage is being racist toward Lesbians. ::)
Lesbians aren't happy?
Quote from: DolfanBob on October 08, 2014, 03:49:13 PM
By the way. It's same sex marriage. Saying Gay marriage is being racist toward Lesbians. ::)
One of the kids good friends is lesbian, and I have heard her allude to being gay.... also, looks like we're gonna have a wedding in the family!
Seems like there may be some interchangeability in terms....?
I think of it like the relationship of bourbon to whiskey. All lesbians can be called gay, but not all gays are lesbian.
Quote from: PonderInc on October 09, 2014, 04:23:57 PM
I think of it like the relationship of bourbon to whiskey. All lesbians can be called gay, but not all gays are lesbian.
OK then where does Homosexual come in? It's all so confusing. ???
Quote from: Townsend on October 06, 2014, 09:27:36 AM
I'd say "finally, let's move on and do something constructive with our time..."
but that'd be silly of me.
Amen.
Quote from: DolfanBob on October 09, 2014, 04:32:58 PM
OK then where does Homosexual come in? It's all so confusing. ???
In our continued analogy:
Lesbian is to bourbon as gay is to whiskey, and homosexual is to booze/alcohol.
I'm sure you don't get this confused when you drink. ;)
Quote from: PonderInc on October 11, 2014, 12:00:49 PM
In our continued analogy:
Lesbian is to bourbon as gay is to whiskey, and homosexual is to booze/alcohol.
I'm sure you don't get this confused when you drink. ;)
He quit drinking. On the other hand, I drink his share now. ;D
Just passing information along.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/11/11/3591183/texas-license-to-discriminate-constitution/
Quote from: guido911 on November 12, 2014, 07:01:15 PM
Just passing information along.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/11/11/3591183/texas-license-to-discriminate-constitution/
"Oklahoma! Coming soon to a legislature near you!"
Where's teh Kerns to write this?
Quote from: Conan71 on November 12, 2014, 08:05:53 PM
"Oklahoma! Coming soon to a legislature near you!"
Where's teh Kerns to write this?
My thoughts exactly. Except, Oklahoma is still the worst state to live in even though dbaggery like this happens in other states all the time. (Channeling TNF libs).
Quote from: guido911 on November 12, 2014, 09:13:10 PM
My thoughts exactly. Except, Oklahoma is still the worst state to live in even though dbaggery like this happens in other states all the time. (Channeling TNF libs).
You have been channeling so much lately I think you are turning to the dark side.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on October 08, 2014, 09:22:36 PM
One of the kids good friends is lesbian, and I have heard her allude to being gay.... also, looks like we're gonna have a wedding in the family!
Seems like there may be some interchangeability in terms....?
Yeah...I know...talking to myself....
Update - they are married now! They seem to be happy with it. Congratulations to them, no matter what anyone else thinks. ("Anyone else" doesn't matter...)