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Title: Guess he won't be running for President then...
Post by: Hoss on August 15, 2014, 06:14:49 PM
...this might get messy.

http://kxan.com/2014/08/15/texas-governor-rick-perry-indicted-by-grand-jury/
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Post by: Ed W on August 15, 2014, 07:47:46 PM
I thought the tea party types ran for office in an effort to reduce corruption in government rather than add to it.
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Post by: Red Arrow on August 15, 2014, 08:03:25 PM
Quote from: Ed W on August 15, 2014, 07:47:46 PM
I thought the tea party types ran for office in an effort to reduce corruption in government rather than add to it.

That'll teach you to think.  Don't do that.
;D


Title: Re: Guess he won't be running for President then...
Post by: guido911 on August 15, 2014, 08:48:44 PM
Here are some vids on this DA at the center of this mess:







Here's a link regarding this story as well. Waiting to see how this plays out.

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local/lehmberg-expected-in-court-friday/nXQ9C/
Title: Re: Guess he won't be running for President then...
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on August 16, 2014, 08:13:08 AM
Quote from: Hoss on August 15, 2014, 06:14:49 PM
...this might get messy.

http://kxan.com/2014/08/15/texas-governor-rick-perry-indicted-by-grand-jury/


Shady actions...probably make him more electable with the RWRE.  Look how twice convicted Oliver North has been converted by Sean Hannity into a "Great American Hero"....

Title: Re: Guess he won't be running for President then...
Post by: Conan71 on August 16, 2014, 10:42:15 AM
Can you imagine all the indictments of Obama if he were held to a similar standard in terms of coercion and abuse of power?  How about any politician for that matter?  That's what makes it even more obvious he was targeted based on future political ambitions.  Either that or retribution for his actions securing the Texas border.

Predictable statements from the Texas Dim party.  Isn't Joaquin Castro's twin brother on the short list of Dim hopefuls in '16?  He got the Bill Clinton/Obama debutante treatment at the '12 Democratic Convention.

Quote"I am outraged and appalled that the Grand Jury has taken this action, given the governor's constitutional right and duty to veto funding as he deems appropriate. This clearly represents political abuse of the court system and there is no legal basis in this decision. The facts of this case conclude that the governor's veto was lawful, appropriate and well within the authority of the office of the governor. Today's action, which violates the separation of powers outlined in the Texas Constitution, is nothing more than an effort to weaken the constitutional authority granted to the office of Texas governor, and sets a dangerous precedent by allowing a grand jury to punish the exercise of a lawful and constitutional authority afforded to the Texas governor."

Perry's office released a statement from his official counsel about an hour after his indictment saying:

"The veto in question was made in accordance with the veto authority afforded to every governor under the Texas Constitution. We will continue to aggressively defend the governor's lawful and constitutional action, and believe we will ultimately prevail.

...

The Public Integrity Unit has three divisions; one looks at insurance fraud, for example, someone selling fake insurance policies. Another handles tax fraud involving motor fuels or businesses not paying gasoline taxes. The third division takes on accusations of fraud against state programs as well as accusations of corruption by politicians or other public officials.

Calls for resignation

Shortly after the indictment was announced, Gilberto Hinojosa, president of the Texas Democratic Party, released a statement calling for the Governor to step down.

"We call on Governor Perry to immediately step down from office," he said." Texans deserve real leadership and this is unbecoming of our Governor."

Democratic congressman Joaquin Castro, who represents the San Antonio area, tweeted calling for Perry's resignation.
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Post by: Ed W on August 16, 2014, 11:14:15 AM
This piece from Think Progress is a fairly straight forward explanation of the events and politics surrounding these indictments, and it covers some of the conflicting law regarding the governor's veto power versus restrictions on office holder's authority.
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Post by: Ed W on August 16, 2014, 11:14:41 AM
Duh. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/08/15/3472049/what-you-need-to-know-about-texas-governor-rick-perry-being-indicted/
Title: Re: Guess he won't be running for President then...
Post by: patric on August 16, 2014, 12:25:16 PM
Karma for rushing the execution of an innocent man?

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/05/rick_perrys_deadly_charm_may_have_executed_innocent_man_but_dopey_press_loves_his_new_glasses/

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-cameron-todd-willingham-rick-perry-execution-20140806-story.html

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/09/07/trial-by-fire
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Post by: Conan71 on August 16, 2014, 09:59:03 PM
Quote from: Ed W on August 16, 2014, 11:14:15 AM
This piece from Think Progress is a fairly straight forward explanation of the events and politics surrounding these indictments, and it covers some of the conflicting law regarding the governor's veto power versus restrictions on office holder's authority.

I didn't check the link, but I'm sure "Think Progress" offered a very unbiased view of the situation. 

I bet one of the GOP house organs will clearly show the opposite view.

Let someone post a middle leaning analysis and I'll bite.
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Post by: Ed W on August 16, 2014, 10:35:00 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on August 16, 2014, 09:59:03 PM
I didn't check the link, but I'm sure "Think Progress" offered a very unbiased view of the situation. 

I bet one of the GOP house organs will clearly show the opposite view.

Let someone post a middle leaning analysis and I'll bite.

Conan, the Think Progress piece is more factual reporting than opinion. The bit about the constitutional conflict is toward the end, and unlike some of their articles, this one is fairly straight.
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Post by: guido911 on August 17, 2014, 02:22:27 AM
Quote from: Ed W on August 16, 2014, 10:35:00 PM
Conan, the Think Progress piece is more factual reporting than opinion. The bit about the constitutional conflict is toward the end, and unlike some of their articles, this one is fairly straight.

David Axelrod is not even buying this crap indictment. But gather up the popcorn and be entertained.
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Post by: heironymouspasparagus on August 17, 2014, 09:37:45 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on August 16, 2014, 09:59:03 PM
I didn't check the link, but I'm sure "Think Progress" offered a very unbiased view of the situation. 

I bet one of the GOP house organs will clearly show the opposite view.

Let someone post a middle leaning analysis and I'll bite.


Perspective....like I have said so many times....perspective!!


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Post by: Conan71 on August 17, 2014, 08:06:29 PM
Quote from: Ed W on August 16, 2014, 10:35:00 PM
Conan, the Think Progress piece is more factual reporting than opinion. The bit about the constitutional conflict is toward the end, and unlike some of their articles, this one is fairly straight.

I just shot Black Mesa ESB through my right nostril. 

You owe me one. 
Title: Re: Guess he won't be running for President then...
Post by: Ed W on August 17, 2014, 08:51:37 PM
I'm lost. Black Mesa ESB?
Title: Re: Guess he won't be running for President then...
Post by: Hoss on August 17, 2014, 10:02:27 PM
Quote from: Ed W on August 17, 2014, 08:51:37 PM
I'm lost. Black Mesa ESB?

Come on Ed!  That's a beer.

Endless Skyway Bitter IIRC.
Title: Re: Guess he won't be running for President then...
Post by: Red Arrow on August 18, 2014, 07:31:58 AM
Quote from: Hoss on August 17, 2014, 10:02:27 PM
Come on Ed!  That's a beer.

Endless Skyway Bitter IIRC.

Endless Skyway?

Try Extra Special/Strong Bitter
http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/style/66/

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Post by: Ed W on August 18, 2014, 05:51:01 PM
Sorry. I stopped drinking beer for about 7 or 8 years, though I bought a six pack a couple of weeks ago, breaking that long run. I was dreaming about beer. But the proteins cause pain and that makes it easier to avoid. I only drink until it aches - about 1 or 2 a week.

I'm such a wimp.
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Post by: Red Arrow on August 18, 2014, 06:00:54 PM
Quote from: Ed W on August 18, 2014, 05:51:01 PM
Sorry. I stopped drinking beer for about 7 or 8 years, though I bought a six pack a couple of weeks ago, breaking that long run. I was dreaming about beer. But the proteins cause pain and that makes it easier to avoid. I only drink until it aches - about 1 or 2 a week.

I'm such a wimp.

There's a lot of different styles available.  If the proteins in beer cause pain maybe you could try mead.  It's basically wine made from honey instead of grapes.

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Post by: Ed W on August 18, 2014, 09:00:01 PM
Mead? Will I develop a sudden urge to tug my forelock, address people as "m'lord", and dress in furs like a 60s Sonny Bono?

Okay. I'm in.
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Post by: Red Arrow on August 18, 2014, 09:17:06 PM
Quote from: Ed W on August 18, 2014, 09:00:01 PM
Mead? Will I develop a sudden urge to tug my forelock, address people as "m'lord", and dress in furs like a 60s Sonny Bono?

Okay. I'm in.

Think more along the line of Celts, Anglo-Saxons, and Vikings.  Or, if you prefer, think of the ancient Greeks.

(Sorry about the thread drift.  Is it time to mention Marshall's?)

Title: Re: Guess he won't be running for President then...
Post by: guido911 on August 19, 2014, 06:49:57 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvb3YomIcAA5LAt.png)
Title: Re: Guess he won't be running for President then...
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on August 19, 2014, 08:42:46 PM
Quote from: guido911 on August 19, 2014, 06:49:57 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvb3YomIcAA5LAt.png)

May I introduce Norman Bates son. That's just, just, creepy.
Title: Re: Guess he won't be running for President then...
Post by: Hoss on August 19, 2014, 10:06:49 PM
Quote from: dbacksfan 2.0 on August 19, 2014, 08:42:46 PM
May I introduce Norman Bates son. That's just, just, creepy.

I don't know..this is almost as bad.

(http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750x970/documents/1020051delay1.jpg)
Title: Re: Guess he won't be running for President then...
Post by: Conan71 on August 19, 2014, 10:14:00 PM
Quote from: guido911 on August 19, 2014, 06:49:57 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvb3YomIcAA5LAt.png)

Did they find a cheerleader in his trunk?   :o
Title: Re: Guess he won't be running for President then...
Post by: Townsend on August 20, 2014, 08:18:45 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on August 19, 2014, 10:14:00 PM
Did they find a cheerleader in his trunk?   :o

Yes
Title: Re: Guess he won't be running for President then...
Post by: guido911 on August 22, 2014, 02:14:07 PM
Now now. Legal troubles never stopped a person for running for president. Or put the brakes on a presidency while those troubles worked their way through the courts. There's this, for example.

http://americannews.com/breaking-federal-judge-carter-orders-obama-to-court-to-prove-eligibility/


No idea if this is even accurate, but darned funny.
Title: Re: Guess he won't be running for President then...
Post by: guido911 on August 25, 2014, 04:37:02 PM
Here is the habeas petition filed by the Perry side seeking adjudication on the indictment.

file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/Rick%20Perry%20writ%20of%20habeas%20corpus.pdf