#5 in the nation for most gang-infested city
http://kfor.com/2014/08/04/oklahoma-city-makes-most-gang-infested-cities-in-america-list/
Concrete wasteland.....
I got another one for ya. OKC is the largest city in the US with the worst transit (least trips per capita). Tulsa is the second largest city in the US with the worst transit system.
Scroll down the list to see where we rank among 299 urbanized areas. (actually don't bother with scrolling down, may take too long, just go straight to the bottom and then start looking)
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/how-your-citys-public-transit-stacks-up/
Just give these things a few more days.
Our state executive and legislative branches must be working day and night to solve them.
Sit tight.
Quote from: TheArtist on August 05, 2014, 09:04:44 AM
I got another one for ya. OKC is the largest city in the US with the worst transit (least trips per capita). Tulsa is the second largest city in the US with the worst transit system.
Scroll down the list to see where we rank among 299 urbanized areas. (actually don't bother with scrolling down, may take too long, just go straight to the bottom and then start looking)
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/how-your-citys-public-transit-stacks-up/
My transit is fine. I get into a car, and move. Is (mass) transit really that important nowadays? Or is it more about getting folks to a particular are in a city?
Quote from: guido911 on August 05, 2014, 12:38:50 PM
My transit is fine. I get into a car, and move. Is (mass) transit really that important nowadays? Or is it more about getting folks to a particular are in a city?
Frankly I think it's about being "fair and balanced". If you have pedestrian friendly development, then transit can become the most efficient option. Right now that's illegal, the government is "telling people what to do" with their property, pushing for auto oriented development and automobiles. I am not even saying that government should fund mass transit.
The auto only works well for you because of the zoning and spending that takes place to make it that way. There is a reason for instance that some people are still pushing back on the Form Based Codes in the Pearl District and asking for minimum parking requirements.
What works for one form, makes it efficient and easy to use, can hurt the other.
For those who want a different choice, the laws currently make it illegal.
The more urban and dense an area becomes then transit becomes more efficient, pedestrian development can be more enjoyable and... human. Regardless, I think people should have the right to more choices on how they want to live, and get around, not be pushed to have all their eggs in one basket. More freedom of choice, opportunity, and more free market doing its thing and less government "picking and choosing winners and losers", whenever you can. Or if your going to have "intervention" then make it more balanced. Zone for and spend for pedestrian/transit friendly development just as you do for auto oriented development now. Or get out of the way and let the free market decide. I am fine with either way.
Quote from: guido911 on August 05, 2014, 12:38:50 PM
My transit is fine. I get into a car, and move. Is (mass) transit really that important nowadays? Or is it more about getting folks to a particular are in a city?
Your transit would be a lot easier if other folks could use mass transit. Think 111th & Memorial.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 05, 2014, 06:11:03 PM
Your transit would be a lot easier if other folks could use mass transit. Think 111th & Memorial.
You're right. Dammed you private car owners!!! (shaking fists at sky).
Quote from: TheArtist on August 05, 2014, 04:31:59 PM
Frankly I think it's about being "fair and balanced". If you have pedestrian friendly development, then transit can become the most efficient option. Right now that's illegal, the government is "telling people what to do" with their property, pushing for auto oriented development and automobiles. I am not even saying that government should fund mass transit.
The auto only works well for you because of the zoning and spending that takes place to make it that way. There is a reason for instance that some people are still pushing back on the Form Based Codes in the Pearl District and asking for minimum parking requirements.
What works for one form, makes it efficient and easy to use, can hurt the other.
For those who want a different choice, the laws currently make it illegal.
The more urban and dense an area becomes then transit becomes more efficient, pedestrian development can be more enjoyable and... human. Regardless, I think people should have the right to more choices on how they want to live, and get around, not be pushed to have all their eggs in one basket. More freedom of choice, opportunity, and more free market doing its thing and less government "picking and choosing winners and losers", whenever you can. Or if your going to have "intervention" then make it more balanced. Zone for and spend for pedestrian/transit friendly development just as you do for auto oriented development now. Or get out of the way and let the free market decide. I am fine with either way.
I just think this sort of thinking is out of date, especially for this city. There are shopping, entertainment, and medical "districts" throughout the city. People just do not need mass transit to reach downtown or "restaurant row" to get to something since these places are close. And even if there is a demand, is it to the point that spending tax payer money on it makes financial sense. Now, if you are a "greenie", I got nothing for you.
Quote from: guido911 on August 05, 2014, 07:03:09 PM
I just think this sort of thinking is out of date, especially for this city. There are shopping, entertainment, and medical "districts" throughout the city. People just do not need mass transit to reach downtown or "restaurant row" to get to something since these places are close. And even if there is a demand, is it to the point that spending tax payer money on it makes financial sense. Now, if you are a "greenie", I got nothing for you.
Don't think you read my post.
I have heard from a person who lives in OKC that they plan to build 3 more tall skyscrapers in downtown OKC and the city is gowing fast. The unemployment rate is very low, one of the lowest in the nation.
Quote from: sauerkraut on August 22, 2014, 01:47:03 PM
I have heard from a person who lives in OKC that they plan to build 3 more tall skyscrapers in downtown OKC and the city is gowing fast. The unemployment rate is very low, one of the lowest in the nation.
I was there all day yesterday. It still sucks.
Quote from: Hoss on August 22, 2014, 01:51:43 PM
I was there all day yesterday. It still sucks.
So glad MC ended up moving here. It's a depressing bunch of sprawl.
Quote from: Conan71 on August 22, 2014, 02:13:04 PM
So glad MC ended up moving here. It's a depressing bunch of sprawl.
Stayed in Bethel Acres Wednesday before our Thursday conference (coworker has family there with extra guest rooms) and was amazed how far out I saw the OKC city limits sign when we were on I-40. You're practically still in Shawnee.
And what is that erector set looking thing on I-40 past the Robinson exit?
Quote from: Conan71 on August 22, 2014, 02:13:04 PM
So glad MC ended up moving here. It's a depressing bunch of sprawl.
I hate downtown OKC. That is all.
Quote from: sauerkraut on August 22, 2014, 01:47:03 PM
I have heard from a person who lives in OKC that they plan to build 3 more tall skyscrapers in downtown OKC and the city is gowing fast. The unemployment rate is very low, one of the lowest in the nation.
Oklahoma City's rate is 3.8%, Tulsa's is 4.0%
It's basically the same.
Please start holding your breath on three new skyscrapers there, that will be helpful.
Quote from: Hoss on August 22, 2014, 02:16:54 PM
Stayed in Bethel Acres Wednesday before our Thursday conference (coworker has family there with extra guest rooms) and was amazed how far out I saw the OKC city limits sign when we were on I-40. You're practically still in Shawnee.
And what is that erector set looking thing on I-40 past the Robinson exit?
SRSLY? My in laws live in Bethel Acres, just north of Hardesty and west of 102.
Quote from: Conan71 on August 22, 2014, 03:47:58 PM
SRSLY? My in laws live in Bethel Acres, just north of Hardesty and west of 102.
Yep, same place where i stayed. About 1/2 mile north of Hardesty and 1/2 mile west of Hwy 102. Well, not the same place, but that's the location where his family lives.
Quote from: swake on August 22, 2014, 02:32:57 PM
Oklahoma City's rate is 3.8%, Tulsa's is 4.0%
It's basically the same.
Please start holding your breath on three new skyscrapers there, that will be helpful.
Not much difference now in the jobless rate, Mary Fallin has our state economy really humming along in the fast lane, the whole state is going very good --but at other times there is a big difference in the unemployment rate between OKC & Tulsa, sometimes Tulsa was at 5.2% and OKC was around 3.5%. Most of the time OKC always beats Tulsa with lower unemployment.
Quote from: guido911 on August 05, 2014, 12:38:50 PM
My transit is fine. I get into a car, and move. Is (mass) transit really that important nowadays? Or is it more about getting folks to a particular are in a city?
Yes, it is that important. We need a solution for everyone...not just for you.
Road/Highway/Bridge = Public Funded
Train = Public and Private
Bus = Mostly Public funded
You love your car and that is great
I would rather bike and do so safely without irritating you because I have to share the car road with you and your car.
When I travel, I don't rent a car...I use public transportation because it is easy, convenient and cheap and gets me close to my destination without the need to find a parking space.
When you travel it is your perogative to rent a car or take your own.
In Tulsa, options are limited. All of the transportation options are slanted towards your preference and very few towards mine. Car payments are not the way I want to spend my money.
Quote from: sauerkraut on August 23, 2014, 10:26:57 AM
Not much difference now in the jobless rate, Mary Fallin has our state economy really humming along in the fast lane, the whole state is going very good --but at other times there is a big difference in the unemployment rate between OKC & Tulsa, sometimes Tulsa was at 5.2% and OKC was around 3.5%. Most of the time OKC always beats Tulsa with lower unemployment.
All hail Mary Fallin and her humming.
Quote from: carltonplace on August 25, 2014, 12:26:33 PM
When I travel, I don't rent a car...I use public transportation because it is easy, convenient and cheap and gets me close to my destination without the need to find a parking space.
Which cities do you usually visit? And then it would depend on which part(s) of the city you need to access or want to explore in your free time.
QuoteIn Tulsa, options are limited.
I agree.
QuoteCar payments are not the way I want to spend my money.
Then pay cash. ;D
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 25, 2014, 12:41:24 PM
[/Which cities do you usually visit? And then it would depend on which part(s) of the city you need to access or want to explore in your free time. - Even in Dallas I am able to get within a mile of my destination using the DART.
I agree. -sweet!
Then pay cash. ;D - I certainly could, but I want my money for the future and not sunk into a thing that depeciates in value so quickly.
quote]
Quote from: carltonplace on August 25, 2014, 12:29:09 PM
All hail Mary Fallin and her humming.
....Humming economy that is! Fallin should win re-election in a landslide. :)
I would like to see a N&S express train north to Omaha, Nebraska- and South to the D/FW MetroPlex. IMO Tulsa being linked to the Dallas/Fort Worth area would be a big plus, but it's more likely they will link OKC to Dallas. Having a high speed 150 mph or 200mph train to Dallas/Fort Worth would be great. It would have to be a high speed train or it would not be worth it you'd be better off driving if the train is not high speed. Tulsa to Dallas in 90 minutes! :D
Quote from: sauerkraut on August 25, 2014, 01:18:33 PM
....Humming economy that is! Fallin should win re-election in a landslide. :)
Thanks for the laugh of the day. You mean "mattress Mary"? Or "Cannibinol Mary"? Pick your poison, Cabbage!
Quote from: sauerkraut on August 25, 2014, 01:18:33 PM
....Humming economy that is! Fallin should win re-election in a landslide. :)
With the increase in Oklahoma earthquakes near the capitol a landslide is more and more likely.
Quote from: Hoss on August 22, 2014, 02:16:54 PM
Stayed in Bethel Acres Wednesday before our Thursday conference (coworker has family there with extra guest rooms) and was amazed how far out I saw the OKC city limits sign when we were on I-40. You're practically still in Shawnee.
And what is that erector set looking thing on I-40 past the Robinson exit?
City limits is out at about mile 147 on the turnpike. Goes to Luther. What a psycho bunch of nonsense that is/was!!
http://www.dougloudenback.com/maps/okcwardmap.jpg
The erector set is a piece of art. My understanding is that it does double duty as a hoist to put those rowing shells into the river....
Quote from: sauerkraut on August 25, 2014, 01:23:24 PM
I would like to see a N&S express train north to Omaha, Nebraska- and South to the D/FW MetroPlex. IMO Tulsa being linked to the Dallas/Fort Worth area would be a big plus, but it's more likely they will link OKC to Dallas. Having a high speed 150 mph or 200mph train to Dallas/Fort Worth would be great. It would have to be a high speed train or it would not be worth it you'd be better off driving if the train is not high speed. Tulsa to Dallas in 90 minutes! :D
??? How old are you anyway? If your a high school or junior high school aged student (which would then make the above post understandable) I would give you a pass and be somewhat polite, however if your an adult your simply rolling up a wad of passive aggressive sh!t in a dainty crust of sweet "just making a captain obvious, whatever could be wrong with that?" statements.
Quote from: TheArtist on August 25, 2014, 03:39:02 PM
??? How old are you anyway? If your a high school or junior high school aged student (which would then make the above post understandable) I would give you a pass and be somewhat polite, however if your an adult your simply rolling up a wad of passive aggressive sh!t in a dainty crust of sweet "just making a captain obvious, whatever could be wrong with that?" statements.
He's older than me, I think. Certainly old enough to know better than just about all that carp.
I'm older than dirt and I support a high speed rail to Dallas.
Quote from: sauerkraut on August 29, 2014, 02:09:26 PM
I'm older than dirt and I support a high speed rail to Dallas.
And now, you must be on your meds, and come up with a good, rational thought!!