Proposal is for a small plaza at Riverside and Lawton
Still in proposal and concept phases. Riverview residents are driving the project.
http://m.tulsaworld.com/newshomepage1/cry-baby-hill-neighborhood-planning-seats-sign-storm-water-relief/article_a069f882-0c4a-5363-b3a5-852586fbbfe4.html?mode=jqm (http://m.tulsaworld.com/newshomepage1/cry-baby-hill-neighborhood-planning-seats-sign-storm-water-relief/article_a069f882-0c4a-5363-b3a5-852586fbbfe4.html?mode=jqm)
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Nice!
Why's it called Caybaby Hill?
Quote from: BKDotCom on July 30, 2014, 08:36:07 PM
Why's it called Caybaby Hill?
Wow, what rock have you been living under?
Quote from: TheArtist on July 30, 2014, 09:11:43 PM
Wow, what rock have you been living under?
It's a common enough question that they answer it in the article.
It's also common enough that I thought I'd poke fun at carltonplace.
Dude, do you even observe? :)
You may need to re-read my post.
Great idea.
Quote from: BKDotCom on July 31, 2014, 12:10:28 AM
It's a common enough question that they answer it in the article.
It's also common enough that I thought I'd poke fun at carltonplace.
Dude, do you even observe? :)
You may need to re-read my post.
oops
Quote from: BKDotCom on July 31, 2014, 12:10:28 AM
It's a common enough question that they answer it in the article.
It's also common enough that I thought I'd poke fun at carltonplace.
Dude, do you even observe? :)
You may need to re-read my post.
With all the tipos, speling misteaks and bad grammer on this forum, your're poking fun at Carltonplace was easy to mis.
:D
I am not good at names. I don't pay attention to who writes a post, I just respond.
What do the people that live in that area think about their neighborhood being used at Tulsa Tough?
According to the news report, they're supportive. I saw a few "private property - keep off" signs along Riverside, so it's not unanimous.
Quote from: TheArtist on July 31, 2014, 10:58:23 PM
I am not good at names. I don't pay attention to who writes a post, I just respond.
I do look at who writes a post before responding. Some are not worth my time to write a reply.
Quote from: Red Arrow on July 31, 2014, 06:26:34 PM
With all the tipos, speling misteaks and bad grammer on this forum, your're poking fun at Carltonplace was easy to mis.
on the name "Crybaby Hill".. the rendering shows a bench/sign with "Home of Crybaby Hill"
is there any attempt to explain what that's all about? If, on the off chance an out-of-towner makes their way to this park will they be left wondering? It's pretty much an inside thing specific to one sporting even held once a year - in Tulsa.
As a runner, my personal Crybaby Hill is farther south. The hill just south of Harwelden, on 23rd I think, that runs east from Riverside. Try that one after running 3 miles or riding a bike.
Quote from: BKDotCom on July 30, 2014, 08:36:07 PM
Why's it called Caybaby Hill?
Congrats, you are one of today's lucky 10,000! http://xkcd.com/1053/
Crybaby hill is a section of one of the Tulsa Tough cycling races. From the article:
"As the story goes, Gifford — a cyclist and part owner of the Soundpony bar — went to the first Tulsa Tough race nine years ago, stumbled upon a doll on the hill and began to use it to taunt racers passing by."
And an EDIT: It appears you might have been asking if there is an explanation on the plaza, not for yourself. Anyways, carry on.
Quote from: OwassoPoke on August 01, 2014, 11:06:59 AM
And an EDIT: It appears you might have been asking if there is an explanation on the plaza, not for yourself. Anyways, carry on.
I attempted to make a funny. I failed.
I
thought "why's it called
crybaby hill" was a semi-common question.
This subject was originally "
Caybaby Hill Proposal"
I thought combining the two would be comedy gold. Instead: crickets and scorn. >:(
Quote from: BKDotCom on August 01, 2014, 12:13:11 PM
crickets and scorn. >:(
Hmmm, either a punk rock band name or a snarky appetizer item at a gastropub. Me likey!
Quote from: Conan71 on August 01, 2014, 01:45:17 PM
Hmmm, either a punk rock band name or a snarky appetizer item at a gastropub. Me likey!
Comedy success ;D
Quote from: BKDotCom on August 01, 2014, 12:13:11 PM
I attempted to make a funny. I failed.
I thought "why's it called crybaby hill" was a semi-common question.
This subject was originally "Caybaby Hill Proposal"
I thought combining the two would be comedy gold. Instead: crickets and scorn. >:(
Well ok, the laughs on me. Till I read this post I didn't catch the misspelling. :P Purhaps I am parshally dislektic or sumthing.
Quote from: guido911 on August 01, 2014, 01:47:15 AM
What do the people that live in that area think about their neighborhood being used at Tulsa Tough?
Mostly positive. Tulsa Tough (especially Malcolm) is very involved with the neighborhood, they attend our meetings, they listen to and work to resolve complaints and they weigh recommendations. After the last race they had Crybaby hill cleaned of trash, had power washed the street and had laid sod on several of the residents' homes by the time I ran by at 10AM the next morning. There were 40 people at our last meeting (obviously a small subsection of the total number of residents) and only 1 person had a complaint and it was about someone blocking his drive - a valid complaint. Everyone else was positive to enthusiastic about the race and proud to be able to host it in our hood.
Quote from: carltonplace on August 04, 2014, 11:07:25 AM
Mostly positive. Tulsa Tough (especially Malcolm) is very involved with the neighborhood, they attend our meetings, they listen to and work to resolve complaints and they weigh recommendations. After the last race they had Crybaby hill cleaned of trash, had power washed the street and had laid sod on several of the residents' homes by the time I ran by at 10AM the next morning. There were 40 people at our last meeting (obviously a small subsection of the total number of residents) and only 1 person had a complaint and it was about someone blocking his drive - a valid complaint. Everyone else was positive to enthusiastic about the race and proud to be able to host it in our hood.
For as many people who get inconvenienced for our entertainment for a whole day, it's incredible how they tolerate and support the race in Riverview. The high point for me was driving the pace car in the first two races on Sunday this year. I never thought I'd lead a crit on Crybaby Hill from start to finish and here I did it twice ;)
Quote from: BKDotCom on August 01, 2014, 12:13:11 PM
I attempted to make a funny. I failed.
I thought "why's it called crybaby hill" was a semi-common question.
This subject was originally "Caybaby Hill Proposal"
I thought combining the two would be comedy gold. Instead: crickets and scorn. >:(
I understood your joke because I noticed the misspelled subject line. So, it wasn't lost on me.
But having a written explanation about the name of the hill worked into the site design might be a good idea. Since around 1918, that island in Lawton Avenue has been known as Cedar Spring Park, and I have no idea why. The area was once called Horsley Hill, then later re-named Norvell Park.
Quote from: carltonplace on July 30, 2014, 01:31:55 PM
Proposal is for a small plaza at Riverside and Lawton
Still in proposal and concept phases. Riverview residents are driving the project.
http://m.tulsaworld.com/newshomepage1/cry-baby-hill-neighborhood-planning-seats-sign-storm-water-relief/article_a069f882-0c4a-5363-b3a5-852586fbbfe4.html?mode=jqm (http://m.tulsaworld.com/newshomepage1/cry-baby-hill-neighborhood-planning-seats-sign-storm-water-relief/article_a069f882-0c4a-5363-b3a5-852586fbbfe4.html?mode=jqm)
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The curb cut should be farther down the hill to catch the stormwater runoff, I think. There's a low spot in the pavement where water runs across Lawton toward the island. That would be the best location for the curb cut.
For the walk parallel to Riverside, I'd prefer concrete to bricks or pavers.
Quote from: carltonplace on August 04, 2014, 11:07:25 AM
Mostly positive. Tulsa Tough (especially Malcolm) is very involved with the neighborhood, they attend our meetings, they listen to and work to resolve complaints and they weigh recommendations. After the last race they had Crybaby hill cleaned of trash, had power washed the street and had laid sod on several of the residents' homes by the time I ran by at 10AM the next morning. There were 40 people at our last meeting (obviously a small subsection of the total number of residents) and only 1 person had a complaint and it was about someone blocking his drive - a valid complaint. Everyone else was positive to enthusiastic about the race and proud to be able to host it in our hood.
Over the years, the Tulsa Tough crowds seem to be rude and disrespectful of property. However, this year I cleaned up less trash on my street than in previous years.
Quote from: Bamboo World on August 05, 2014, 07:09:46 PM
Over the years, the Tulsa Tough crowds seem to be rude and disrespectful of property. However, this year I cleaned up less trash on my street than in previous years.
Really? I'd think most people appreciate we are merely guests and bad behavior could get us banished from the hill. I know there's a lot of peer pressure to prevent it. I've seen people dragged off the hill for dangerous and or overly disrespectful behavior.
Like Godwin's Law, the more people you have, the greater the probability of people being donkey hats.
Quote from: sgrizzle on August 05, 2014, 11:08:06 PM
Like Godwin's Law, the more people you have, the greater the probability of people being donkey hats.
Although, as Boo noted, less trash this year than in years past, yet, by all accounts more people on the hill. the less trash issue may have more to do with the organizers trying to keep this venue part of the Tulsa Tough experience and mitigating any damage and litter as quick as possible. We are trying to talk RM into loaning us recycle bins to help with the mess next year to make it even better.
I suspect the event has gained enough notoriety that Crybaby Hill is becoming like the "Snake Pit" in the infield had become at the Indy 500 by the early 1980's. People heard there was a big party, but had no idea there was even a race going on.
That was the point I was trying to make in my reply to Boo: I believe the "real" cycling enthusiasts recognize the delicate balance in keeping neighbors happy, so I suspect it's the outlying asshats who create what few problems I hear with residents.
Quote from: Conan71 on August 05, 2014, 11:24:13 PM
I suspect the event has gained enough notoriety that Crybaby Hill is becoming like the "Snake Pit" in the infield had become at the Indy 500 by the early 1980's. People heard there was a big party, but had no idea there was even a race going on.
Reminds me of "the Bog" at Watkins Glen Gran Prix in the 70s.
http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/bus-bog-and-racing-30-year-old-mystery
Quote from: Conan71 on August 05, 2014, 11:24:13 PM
Although, as Boo noted, less trash this year than in years past, yet, by all accounts more people on the hill. the less trash issue may have more to do with the organizers trying to keep this venue part of the Tulsa Tough experience and mitigating any damage and litter as quick as possible. We are trying to talk RM into loaning us recycle bins to help with the mess next year to make it even better.
I suspect the event has gained enough notoriety that Crybaby Hill is becoming like the "Snake Pit" in the infield had become at the Indy 500 by the early 1980's. People heard there was a big party, but had no idea there was even a race going on.
That was the point I was trying to make in my reply to Boo: I believe the "real" cycling enthusiasts recognize the delicate balance in keeping neighbors happy, so I suspect it's the outlying asshats who create what few problems I hear with residents.
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I was in the snake pit several times in the 80s. Not for the squeamish, or inexperienced partiers. I took a date there once. ONCE
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Here's a google search link. https://www.google.com/search?q=snake+pit+indy&espv=2&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=7cPhU6nOG4iGyATMi4K4DA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=643#imgdii=_
Quote from: Bamboo World on August 05, 2014, 07:03:40 PM
The curb cut should be farther down the hill to catch the stormwater runoff, I think. There's a low spot in the pavement where water runs across Lawton toward the island. That would be the best location for the curb cut.
For the walk parallel to Riverside, I'd prefer concrete to bricks or pavers.
It looks like they are aiming for multiple small diversions with six or seven small curb cuts instead of one big one, if too much flows at once it will just tend to pull soil from the dirt or could lead to foundation issues for hardscaping.
Quote from: Snowman on August 06, 2014, 01:57:35 AM
It looks like they are aiming for multiple small diversions with six or seven small curb cuts instead of one big one, if too much flows at once it will just tend to pull soil from the dirt or could lead to foundation issues for hardscaping.
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