We made the list at number 32. Americas most and least Godless Cities.
http://nation.time.com/2014/01/22/godless-cities-in-america/#ixzz2rKmVSwHa
And another. This time it's State related. I actually agree with this one. :(
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564383/North-Dakota-tops-list-happiest-U-S-states-West-Virginia-bottom.html
Where Satan would vacation. OKC made the list!!!
http://www.driftermoose.com/top-10-satans-vacation-destinations/?l=1
Wow! OKC number 5! Honestly, I didn't think it was even close to those other locations. And, the pic was Moore. OKC proper rarely gets hit. Its always the suburban towns that OKC annexed that seem to get the wrath. Satan knows where the real prospects reside.
Tulsa No. 3 at being "country".
http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/only-two-us-cities-are-more-country-tulsa/nfXFz/?nmredir=true
A poll that will surely hurt some feelings in here.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/168770/half-illinois-connecticut-move-elsewhere.aspx
Quote from: guido911 on May 03, 2014, 08:09:22 PM
A poll that will surely hurt some feelings in here.
Why's that? If so, why post something to intentionally hurt people's feelings?
Quote from: Townsend on May 04, 2014, 10:33:02 AM
Why's that? If so, why post something to intentionally hurt people's feelings?
Predictable, with a side of tedious.
Quote from: guido911 on May 04, 2014, 11:37:38 AM
Predictable, with a side of tedious.
Touching us in the morning and walking away is no way to have a meaningful conversation.
If you are too naive to realize that according to that poll, Oklahomans do not wish to leave this state in droves (like in liberal Illinois or Connecticut), despite yours and other leftists in this forum best efforts to portray the people that live her as backward and buffoons, I will not help you. To the contrary, it would seem that the people who are backward and buffoon-ish are those people that spend an enormous amount of time running down Oklahomans. THAT'S why I said some people might get their feelings hurt--and I was apparently right. Because no one other than YOU took issue with the poll (although I expected someone else would have joined you by now).
Quote from: guido911 on May 05, 2014, 05:01:53 PM
If you are too naive to realize that according to that poll, Oklahomans do not wish to leave this state in droves (like in liberal Illinois or Connecticut), despite yours and other leftists in this forum best efforts to portray the people that live her as backward and buffoons, I will not help you. To the contrary, it would seem that the people who are backward and buffoon-ish are those people that spend an enormous amount of time running down Oklahomans. THAT'S why I said some people might get their feelings hurt--and I was apparently right. Because no one other than YOU took issue with the poll (although I expected someone else would have joined you by now).
And yet, we are number 42 - down from 41 - in happiness. Maybe it's because so many are too depressed to get off the couch, put down the beer, put the dog in the back of the pickup truck and leave.....
Quote from: guido911 on May 05, 2014, 05:01:53 PM
If you are too naive to realize that according to that poll, Oklahomans do not wish to leave this state in droves (like in liberal Illinois or Connecticut), despite yours and other leftists in this forum best efforts to portray the people that live her as backward and buffoons, I will not help you. To the contrary, it would seem that the people who are backward and buffoon-ish are those people that spend an enormous amount of time running down Oklahomans. THAT'S why I said some people might get their feelings hurt--and I was apparently right. Because no one other than YOU took issue with the poll (although I expected someone else would have joined you by now).
What'd I say? Who gives a rat's anus?
In other news, guido's having a conniption.
This is kinda neat.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/
Guido... I have never argued that I should leave or anyone should leave. While the fact is true that many, maybe even most of my friends have left - I don't want to. We have a fundamental disagreement, I think diversity is an inherently good thing and want to see my community improveme. You have stated if you don't like bit...leave.
That said, the fact remains that Oklahoma is poorly educated, financially poor, high crime, low social mobility, and statistically unhappy. Noting the map you posted, the biggest reason for moving is work, followed by family. Odds are tons of people are drawn to the "high mover" locations by their jobs... the low mover list is mostly states with native industry or are move-to destinations of choice.
Not attracting huge influx of talent and not being a "destination" for many people, Oklahoma lands in then middle.
Quote from: guido911 on May 06, 2014, 06:43:17 PM
This is kinda neat.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/
We all know that Oklahoma and Texas are "taker" states but never thought of it this way... "It's not just that some states are getting way more in return for their federal tax dollars, but the disproportionate amount of federal aid that some states receive allows them to keep their own taxes artificially low. "
Quote from: guido911 on May 06, 2014, 06:43:17 PM
This is kinda neat.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/
Well, at least we aren't as dependent on the Federal trough as Texas!
And Montana...that absolute bastion of "rugged individualist, independence and self reliance"....
We hate the sinner (federal government) but love the sin (federal money).
Where we become a donor state is our steadfast refusal to pay teachers close to surrounding states levels, refusal to allow minimum wage for cities, failure to provide the attractions necessary to keep and attract well educated graduates, lack of mass transit, high number of unwed mothers, hostility to labor unions, gays, non Christians, immigrants, .....a legislature that is intent on embracing the most conservative, most moral legislation they can dream of.......then fighting in court to defend same legislation while overlooking infrastructure........ that continues to drain our state of needed human resources.
We're a lovely place to visit and the people are folksy as long as you follow our rules and our lifestyle.
Quote from: AquaMan on May 08, 2014, 11:07:08 AM
We hate the sinner (federal government) but love the sin (federal money).
Where we become a donor state is our steadfast refusal to pay teachers close to surrounding states levels, refusal to allow minimum wage for cities, failure to provide the attractions necessary to keep and attract well educated graduates, lack of mass transit, high number of unwed mothers, hostility to labor unions, gays, non Christians, immigrants, .....a legislature that is intent on embracing the most conservative, most moral legislation they can dream of.......then fighting in court to defend same legislation while overlooking infrastructure........ that continues to drain our state of needed human resources.
We're a lovely place to visit and the people are folksy as long as you follow our rules and our lifestyle.
And this takes us back to the previous poll, that unlike Illinois and CT, Oklahomans are not wanting to leave the state in droves. We like it here. And by the way, I do not have that much of a problem with newbies to this state conform to Oklahoma, not vice versa. That's what I did when I moved here.
Quote from: guido911 on May 08, 2014, 12:37:30 PM
And this takes us back to the previous poll, that unlike Illinois and CT, Oklahomans are not wanting to leave the state in droves. We like it here. And by the way, I do not have that much of a problem with newbies to this state conform to Oklahoma, not vice versa. That's what I did when I moved here.
Those blinders must be shrinking around your temples. The very polls you regularly denigrate as sophomoric and useless are now gold? They aren't leaving in droves, merely as they wise up. Droves are mindless masses. We're losing brains. Mostly they are refusing transfers here or looking elsewhere, thus never even arriving. Witness Tulsa's anemic population growth.
"Thats what I did when I moved here." Yeah, cause it fit your personality. However, not too many young professionals see Oklahoma as a good fit to their wants and needs.
As I pointed out and was ignored - if you look at the REASONS people moved to and want to move from those states, it is for jobs and family. As Oklahoma does not attract a large number of in coming immigrants, there isn't a large number that want/need to leave. When you have recruitment of large numbers of out-of-state persons IN to your state, those people are more transient and are more likely to leave. See previous post...
It's actually a compliment to be ignored by a certain anti group around here. It means they have no valid response and no longer care to travel that path.
Quote from: AquaMan on May 08, 2014, 03:55:29 PM
It's actually a compliment to be ignored by a certain anti group around here. It means they have no valid response and no longer care to travel that path.
We are not ignoring you.
We realize your minds are made up and you don't want to be confused with facts.
Quote from: Red Arrow on May 08, 2014, 05:59:30 PM
We are not ignoring you.
We realize your minds are made up and you don't want to be confused with facts.
I hadn't considered you as part of the anti group or the ignore group.
I posted deductions from facts. Cannon Fodder posted deduction from facts. On another thread I linked to historical facts and made no deductions. All ignored because they just don't fit with some other minds that have been made up. That is the new procedure for the politicization of fact. When it doesn't fit the construct you are pimping, simply ignore it and find other more inflammatory but inconsequential issues.
"You may have your own set of opinions but you may not have your own set of facts."
States good to do business in.
http://chiefexecutive.net/best-worst-states-for-business-2014#ranking
Quote from: AquaMan on May 08, 2014, 12:52:07 PM
Those blinders must be shrinking around your temples. The very polls you regularly denigrate as sophomoric and useless are now gold? They aren't leaving in droves, merely as they wise up. Droves are mindless masses. We're losing brains. Mostly they are refusing transfers here or looking elsewhere, thus never even arriving. Witness Tulsa's anemic population growth.
"Thats what I did when I moved here." Yeah, cause it fit your personality. However, not too many young professionals see Oklahoma as a good fit to their wants and needs.
Nope. I still don't like polls. Don't tell us very much other than what the pollster is looking to prove. They are just fun to read, and sometimes they do make an unfortunate point to those that live by freakin polls.
Quote from: Red Arrow on May 08, 2014, 05:59:30 PM
We are not ignoring you.
We realize your minds are made up and you don't want to be confused with facts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0kktJJSBQE
Quote from: guido911 on May 09, 2014, 06:29:16 AM
States good to do business in.
http://chiefexecutive.net/best-worst-states-for-business-2014#ranking
Woo hooo, we dropped below 6 more states in just one year.
Quote from: guido911 on May 09, 2014, 06:32:27 AM
Nope. I still don't like polls. Don't tell us very much other than what the pollster is looking to prove. They are just fun to read, and sometimes they do make an unfortunate point to those that live by freakin polls.
I can agree with that.
Quote from: guido911 on May 09, 2014, 06:29:16 AM
States good to do business in.
http://chiefexecutive.net/best-worst-states-for-business-2014#ranking
Easy to see how that list came about - look for the lowest wages possible for the employees, while maintaining adequate availability of Country Clubs for the CEO....
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 09, 2014, 09:07:48 AM
Easy to see how that list came about - look for the lowest wages possible for the employees, while maintaining adequate availability of Country Clubs for the CEO....
Doesn't explain California being at the bottom of the list then. Plenty of cheap Mexican labor, plenty of posh country clubs.
Quote from: Conan71 on May 09, 2014, 09:08:44 AM
Doesn't explain California being at the bottom of the list then. Plenty of cheap Mexican labor, plenty of posh country clubs.
Ongoing drought.
Charitable giving by state. A bit surprising.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/168923/utahans-likely-donate-money-time.aspx#2
Here is another one to get everybody all riled up. Is he the worst?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2678005/Obama-rated-WORST-president-World-War-II-embarrassing-new-poll.html
Wow CNBC! 2nd worst?
http://www.tulsaworld.com/dailybreak/america-s-worst-states-to-live-in-see-where-oklahoma/article_9d787c94-5295-513e-9326-66b8dbbdbf18.html
Quote from: DolfanBob on July 16, 2014, 01:30:32 PM
Wow CNBC! 2nd worst?
http://www.tulsaworld.com/dailybreak/america-s-worst-states-to-live-in-see-where-oklahoma/article_9d787c94-5295-513e-9326-66b8dbbdbf18.html
QuoteOnly 16th worst for toxic chemical releases
Quote from: DolfanBob on July 16, 2014, 01:30:32 PM
Wow CNBC! 2nd worst?
http://www.tulsaworld.com/dailybreak/america-s-worst-states-to-live-in-see-where-oklahoma/article_9d787c94-5295-513e-9326-66b8dbbdbf18.html
That's a rather impressive list
Judging by the remarks from people who live in those states, people like their own states but are more than willing to throw the states they came from under the bus. I didn't see anything untrue in the article, but its still a judgement made by outsiders.
As far as the Obama worst president polls? Surely you remember the last few presidents who suffered that name calling in their second terms. This is payback.
You can feel secure America. GW was tons worse.
Not sure if this has been posted (about one year old), but Oklahoma has two of these.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/06/these-11-universities-are-awful-and-should-be-demolished-down-right-now/
Quote from: guido911 on August 09, 2014, 01:56:44 AM
Not sure if this has been posted (about one year old), but Oklahoma has two of these.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/06/these-11-universities-are-awful-and-should-be-demolished-down-right-now/
Shows how the demolition of K-12 education funding in this state is proceeding exactly as planned by the charter and private school kabal. The privileged get more privileged - better educated - while the less privileged are relegated to a world of 40% illiteracy and 30% high school dropout rates. Yeah....we're doing "fine", Oklahoma.... Oklahoma is OK!
NOT great! NOT exceptional! NOT compelling to outside business'! NOT an economic powerhouse! NOT a "destination point" in anyone's mind - even other Okies! We're "OK"....
Shines a light - or should - on Failin' calling for another $50 million in education cuts for FY15. At the same time she is bragging about how she took office with zero money in the bank and now it is $500 million (one of her first campaign ads this season) - why not spend some of that huge pile on things the state needs? NOT more tax cuts!
We have education, roads, bridges, state parks, capital building, no raises for state employees for 7 years, infrastructure of ALL kinds in disarray and various stages of disintegration! And what, exactly, has she done to help any of that in the last 4 years?? Got us a bright, new, shiny savings account with half a BILLION dollars sitting there doing nothing about any of those things. And MORE tax cuts if she can get her way!! And by the way, the reason we now have this money she is bragging about is because she has presided over this big ole stinky bucket of "do nothing carp"....Cuts all around!!
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-higher-education-leaders-hope-to-avoid-budget-cut/article/3943714
And this comment in that article alludes to the huge tax breaks oil gets in this state - "Boren and Hargis both support reducing the gross production tax exemption for horizontal wells to increase the available dollars for state appropriations. Estimates of the money that would produce are pretty dramatic, Hargis said."
What do you wanna bet the same people being hurt the most from this will still vote for more of it!!??
Quote from: guido911 on August 09, 2014, 01:56:44 AM
Not sure if this has been posted (about one year old), but Oklahoma has two of these.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/06/these-11-universities-are-awful-and-should-be-demolished-down-right-now/
That's a depressing website. Hope you don't spend much time there as its likely to erode the education you've attained. The editor/writer seems to be about 28 years old and besides being sarcastic is pretty unschooled about education. Wonder where he got his education and if it prejudiced his view.
Anyway, the comments section (in spite of its racist tone) took him to task on most of his efforts. For instance, Cameron is probably mostly populated by students from nearby Ft. Sill who end up transferred or change majors and colleges as most young people do. His criteria is %graduated in 6 years because he asserts that is the measure of success. Well to him it is. Many people find college isn't what they wanted or are suited for and move on to succeed in other fields. To him they are losers who went to a loser college.
Life is so easy when you ignore the details.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on August 09, 2014, 09:19:37 AM
Shows how the demolition of K-12 education funding in this state is proceeding exactly as planned by the charter and private school kabal. The privileged get more privileged - better educated - while the less privileged are relegated to a world of 40% illiteracy and 30% high school dropout rates. Yeah....we're doing "fine", Oklahoma.... Oklahoma is OK!
NOT great! NOT exceptional! NOT compelling to outside business'! NOT an economic powerhouse! NOT a "destination point" in anyone's mind - even other Okies! We're "OK"....
Shines a light - or should - on Failin' calling for another $50 million in education cuts for FY15. At the same time she is bragging about how she took office with zero money in the bank and now it is $500 million (one of her first campaign ads this season) - why not spend some of that huge pile on things the state needs? NOT more tax cuts!
We have education, roads, bridges, state parks, capital building, no raises for state employees for 7 years, infrastructure of ALL kinds in disarray and various stages of disintegration! And what, exactly, has she done to help any of that in the last 4 years?? Got us a bright, new, shiny savings account with half a BILLION dollars sitting there doing nothing about any of those things. And MORE tax cuts if she can get her way!! And by the way, the reason we now have this money she is bragging about is because she has presided over this big ole stinky bucket of "do nothing carp"....Cuts all around!!
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-higher-education-leaders-hope-to-avoid-budget-cut/article/3943714
And this comment in that article alludes to the huge tax breaks oil gets in this state - "Boren and Hargis both support reducing the gross production tax exemption for horizontal wells to increase the available dollars for state appropriations. Estimates of the money that would produce are pretty dramatic, Hargis said."
What do you wanna bet the same people being hurt the most from this will still vote for more of it!!??
Um. This is college. Young people don't have to go to college. They certainly should not go the schools that cannot get their students to graduate.
Here's one favorable:
http://www.utulsa.edu/about-TU/news-events-publications/UniversityNews/2014/August/forbeslist2014.aspx
Quote from: guido911 on August 09, 2014, 04:08:18 PM
Um. This is college. Young people don't have to go to college. They certainly should not go the schools that cannot get their students to graduate.
It starts in K-12. And the cuts OK has done came at all levels. It really is all connected from start to finish!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on August 10, 2014, 08:12:10 PM
It starts in K-12. And the cuts OK has done came at all levels. It really is all connected from start to finish!
No it isn't. It's the higher learning institution. Blaming Rogers and Cameron's failure to graduate students on what happened in a particular student's kindergarten year is just dumb.
Quote from: guido911 on August 10, 2014, 09:08:04 PM
No it isn't. It's the higher learning institution. Blaming Rogers and Cameron's failure to graduate students on what happened in a particular student's kindergarten year is just dumb.
Education is the sum total of all of a person's life experience. Even before kindergarten...haven't you heard about the book??
http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/2399046-all-i-really-need-to-know-i-learned-in-kindergarten
OK this one really sucks. No.1 :o
http://www.mylife.com/blog/the-10-most-dangerous-cities-in-america/
Quote from: DolfanBob on September 12, 2014, 08:00:49 AM
OK this one really sucks. No.1 :o
http://www.mylife.com/blog/the-10-most-dangerous-cities-in-america/
About 18 hours late to the party, DB... 8)
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=20736.0;topicseen
Quote from: Hoss on September 12, 2014, 08:01:54 AM
About 18 hours late to the party, DB... 8)
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=20736.0;topicseen
OOPS!
OK. Where the heck is Nichol Hills? And what kind of job can I get there making 124K?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-affluent-town-in-every-state-163428020.html
Quote from: DolfanBob on September 12, 2014, 05:36:05 PM
OK. Where the heck is Nichol Hills? And what kind of job can I get there making 124K?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-affluent-town-in-every-state-163428020.html
"Nichols Hills" Very nice area of OKC. Just North of Penn Square.
Quote from: DolfanBob on September 12, 2014, 05:36:05 PM
OK. Where the heck is Nichol Hills? And what kind of job can I get there making 124K?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-affluent-town-in-every-state-163428020.html
It would basically be like having the Utica Square/Philbrook area as being it's own small town within Tulsa.
And if you typically think about "getting a job" to make that kind of money, well, most of the time in order to make that kind of money or more it requires having a career and having taken years of college, and or being your own boss, and or being a partner in a business, etc. You have to own the valuable "means", aka. knowledge, wealth, property, and not just be "labor" walking up to someplace and asking to fill out a job application.
Quote from: TheArtist on October 13, 2014, 12:02:27 PM
It would basically be like having the Utica Square/Philbrook area as being it's own small town within Tulsa.
And if you typically think about "getting a job" to make that kind of money, well, most of the time in order to make that kind of money or more it requires having a career and having taken years of college, and or being your own boss, and or being a partner in a business, etc. You have to own the valuable "means", aka. knowledge, wealth, property, and not just be "labor" walking up to someplace and asking to fill out a job application.
True that. I guess my real question should have been. What kind of Industry exists in a town that I had never heard of? Where a median income is around 124K.
Quote from: DolfanBob on October 13, 2014, 12:44:06 PM
True that. I guess my real question should have been. What kind of Industry exists in a town that I had never heard of? Where a median income is around 124K.
The State Capitol. It's one of the little towns that was swallowed by OKC's growth.
Quote from: DolfanBob on October 13, 2014, 12:44:06 PM
True that. I guess my real question should have been. What kind of Industry exists in a town that I had never heard of? Where a median income is around 124K.
It's essentially a posh area inside OKC. Have done mural work for friends and clients there, attorneys, doctors, developers, business owners of all types. It's kind of a status area, if you have money in the OKC area it's one of the places you move to for bragging rights and to be with others of your kind lol. Still not nearly as beautiful, nor does it have as many big mansions as similar areas in Tulsa (the difference being that Nichols Hills kept being it's own small town instead of being taken over by OKC). A lot of the new money is going to the Gaillardia area. Have seen some homes there that make the biggest in Tulsa look like poverty gulch (which is what I call the neighborhood I live in lol) http://www.kermitbrown.com/html/viewrecentlistings.php
I agree with this listing of number 5.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-affordable-big-cities-u-175828566.html
It's as if Maple Ridge was its own town, but slightly less affluent....
Quote from: DolfanBob on October 23, 2014, 08:09:49 AM
I agree with this listing of number 5.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-affordable-big-cities-u-175828566.html
And then there is #1 and #2.... makes the whole article suspect! Or worse....
Another "most conservative" poll.
Quote
Most Conservative
1. Mesa, Arizona
2. Oklahoma City, OK
3. Virginia Beach, VA
4. Colorado Springs, CO
5. Jacksonville, FL
6. Arlington, TX
7. Anaheim, CA
8. Omaha, NE
9. Tulsa, OK
10. Aurora, CO
Most Liberal
1. San Francisco, CA
2. Washington, DC
3. Seattle, WA
4. Oakland, CA
5. Boston, MA
6. Minneapolis, MN
7. Detroit, MI
8. New York, NY
9. Buffalo, NY
10. Baltimore, MD
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/10-most-conservative-cities-america
Quote from: guido911 on October 27, 2014, 05:37:51 PM
Another "most conservative" poll.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/10-most-conservative-cities-america
I was surprised COS ranks as more conservative than TUL and that Aurora made that list.
I can kinda agree with Oklahoma's worse ranking in this poll.
https://www.yahoo.com/travel/what-every-state-in-the-u-s-is-worst-at-105417305752.html?hp=1
Quote from: DolfanBob on December 18, 2014, 09:54:26 AM
I can kinda agree with Oklahoma's worse ranking in this poll.
https://www.yahoo.com/travel/what-every-state-in-the-u-s-is-worst-at-105417305752.html?hp=1
I'm surprised we didn't also get worst roads, bridges, and education. There were a few others I was also surprised we didn't get.
Quote from: Red Arrow on December 18, 2014, 10:47:08 AM
I'm surprised we didn't also get worst roads, bridges, and education. There were a few others I was also surprised we didn't get.
Meth incidents was one I was surprised we didn't get.
I think they need to switch Arizona and Oregon.
Tulsa World picked up on the list.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/ginnie-graham-oklahoma-festivus-we-don-t-eat-veggies-thus/article_14a447d0-3ee3-5015-8243-1b21ed300744.html