I received a speeding ticket yesterday (creek county, sapulpa division) its been years and years since I received one and it actually wasn't even in Oklahoma. Anyways, I'm not actually trying to dispute the ticket, just see what my options might be. I called an attorney and he said he usually gets them deferred for a few months and then dropped off the record, but he wanted $350 to do that on top of everything else. Couldn't I just go to the DA and ask for a deferment plan on my own and avoid paying someone else $350 to ask for me?
Anyone have any experience with tickets and knowing options?
Quote from: tulsacan on January 23, 2014, 05:16:35 PM
I received a speeding ticket yesterday (creek county, sapulpa division) its been years and years since I received one and it actually wasn't even in Oklahoma. Anyways, I'm not actually trying to dispute the ticket, just see what my options might be. I called an attorney and he said he usually gets them deferred for a few months and then dropped off the record, but he wanted $350 to do that on top of everything else. Couldn't I just go to the DA and ask for a deferment plan on my own and avoid paying someone else $350 to ask for me?
Anyone have any experience with tickets and knowing options?
What are you trying to accomplish? Keep points off your driving record and keep your insurance premium from going up? How much is the fine?
If it's speeding and it's less than 10 miles over the limit, your insurance won't be affected.
Quote from: Conan71 on January 23, 2014, 05:40:30 PM
What are you trying to accomplish? Keep points off your driving record and keep your insurance premium from going up? How much is the fine?
Points... Insurance.... You nailed it. And it was 19 over with a fine of $241.50.
Quote from: tulsacan on January 23, 2014, 06:20:22 PM
Points... Insurance.... You nailed it. And it was 19 over with a fine of $241.50.
You were at the borderline of 20 over the posted speed which in most states is a felony, and they can take you to jail over it. If it's a speeding ticket, pay the fine and shut up. You could have been cited for wreckless driving, felony speeding, wreckless endangerment, automatic suspension of your license, impound of your car, it's basically one step below a DUI/DWI.
Quote from: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 23, 2014, 07:51:10 PM
You were at the borderline of 20 over the posted speed which in most states is a felony, and they can take you to jail over it. If it's a speeding ticket, pay the fine and shut up. You could have been cited for wreckless driving, felony speeding, wreckless endangerment, automatic suspension of your license, impound of your car, it's basically one step below a DUI/DWI.
Very constructive, thank you for you time. Telling me what a ticket I didn't get qualifies as is about as relevant as me telling you what could have happened if you rear ended someone at a stop sign if you didn't stop and just kept going.
I punched someone a while back to.... why don't you tell me what would have happened if I killed him and was charged with it also.
Besides, if the programs are there in place I'm going to use them.
If you don't like the programs (deferments, etc...) don't get mad at people utilizing them, get mad at the system that created them.
Quote from: tulsacan on January 23, 2014, 09:40:44 PM
Very constructive, thank you for you time. Telling me what a ticket I didn't get qualifies as is about as relevant as me telling you what could have happened if you rear ended someone at a stop sign if you didn't stop and just kept going.
I punched someone a while back to.... why don't you tell me what would have happened if I killed him and was charged with it also.
Were you really
only 19 over the limit or did the officer maybe cut you a couple of MPH break? Was it RADAR or LIDAR? Did the tech who calibrated it make it read at the slow end of the tolerance band? For the most part, I don't mind people speeding a few MPH as long as they are not endangering others. I don't know you, your driving skills or the car you drive so I cannot evaluate the threat you may have posed to others. Those who want to go fast need to be willing to pay the price in tickets and insurance.
Quote from: tulsacan on January 23, 2014, 09:40:44 PM
Very constructive, thank you for you time. Telling me what a ticket I didn't get qualifies as is about as relevant as me telling you what could have happened if you rear ended someone at a stop sign if you didn't stop and just kept going.
I punched someone a while back to.... why don't you tell me what would have happened if I killed him and was charged with it also.
Well, you sound like a fan of the guy that stuffed a Mustang into a 2nd floor apartment at Eton Square, and your hero's are the streetracers in OKC that think street racing is a right.
You got a break on a ticket, and it sounds like you don't want to take responsibility for it. And before you preach to me, I got my first, and last drag racing ticket from TPD in 1980, at the cost of $200.00 (1980 dollars) and 6 points on my license. After that I grew up and took my racing to Hallett and Tulsa Int'l Drag Strip.
Creek County...
I always heard if you were really guilty, try to get your case transferred to Creek County. The judges there were always approachable.
Isn't Creek County were the penis pump judge worked?
Quote from: RecycleMichael on January 24, 2014, 08:04:16 AM
Creek County...
I always heard if you were really guilty, try to get your case transferred to Creek County. The judges there were always approachable.
Isn't Creek County were the penis pump judge worked?
Yes it is Mike. But would you really want to "approach" him? ;D
In the past I have plead no contest, and that gets you a court date. Then I apply for a court date extension (usually they give you 3 months). after that i show up to court, and if the officer who gave you your ticket does't show up, the ticket gets automatically dropped. Iv'e gotten out of four tickets this way.
Quote from: takemebacktotulsa on January 24, 2014, 09:35:24 AM
In the past I have plead no contest, and that gets you a court date. Then I apply for a court date extension (usually they give you 3 months). after that i show up to court, and if the officer who gave you your ticket does't show up, the ticket gets automatically dropped. Iv'e gotten out of four tickets this way.
And if he does show up. What size book do they throw at you?
Quote from: DolfanBob on January 24, 2014, 09:55:53 AM
And if he does show up. What size book do they throw at you?
Pretty sure they can't add charges at that point? Worst case is the fine and court costs. I got out of a ticket the same way. Officer didn't show up. (In my case I had a legitimate argument, but I never got a chance to use it.)
Quote from: rebound on January 24, 2014, 10:42:48 AM
Pretty sure they can't add charges at that point? Worst case is the fine and court costs.
Maybe no more charges can be filed but there is a copy of Webster's Unabridged Dictionary that they throw at you just for wasting the court's time.
;D
Quote from: takemebacktotulsa on January 24, 2014, 09:35:24 AM
In the past I have plead no contest, and that gets you a court date. Then I apply for a court date extension (usually they give you 3 months). after that i show up to court, and if the officer who gave you your ticket does't show up, the ticket gets automatically dropped. Iv'e gotten out of four tickets this way.
In addition to their regular pay, they pocket overtime for going to court. On the other hand, you loose pay for having to play.
Quote from: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 23, 2014, 10:19:17 PM
Well, you sound like a fan of the guy that stuffed a Mustang into a 2nd floor apartment at Eton Square, and your hero's are the streetracers in OKC that think street racing is a right.
You got a break on a ticket, and it sounds like you don't want to take responsibility for it. And before you preach to me, I got my first, and last drag racing ticket from TPD in 1980, at the cost of $200.00 (1980 dollars) and 6 points on my license. After that I grew up and took my racing to Hallett and Tulsa Int'l Drag Strip.
.....No, I sound like a guy that was driving on unfamiliar back roads that had a speed limit of 55, and then didn't realize I entered a BS 35MPH Speed Trap. I thought I was going the speed limit, I doubled back and in fact realized I did somehow miss the new speed limit sign. Your skills at reading between the lines are impeccable, you nailed me, hell I was in a giant company CNG Econoline van that I love to rip up the streets in. Be careful next time you see a giant white van pull up next to you, I might just be me ready to rev my engine at you. And I'm not arguing the ticket, I am just seeing if there are options as I am not fully familiar with all of them in Tulsa. I lived in both Texas and North Carolina for many years and both had a defensive driving option if you hadn't received a ticket in so many years that would deffer the ticket and then drop it off your record.
Quote from: DolfanBob on January 24, 2014, 09:55:53 AM
And if he does show up. What size book do they throw at you?
The one time a cop did show up, I had the option of paying the original ticket amount, or do community service.
Wouldn't fight 19mph over, unless I knew I was not going nearly that fast.
I'm willing to bet you were going a clip faster. Had the cop written you a ticket for 20mph, he would have been required to arrest you and impound your vehicle. He would have also been required to file a felony report in writing, and inventory and secure your vehicle. Cops haaaaaaate paperwork, especially when it has to submitted into evidence in a court.
If you were going 23 or even 25 miles over, and you hadn't caused any other accidents, or if no one else had complained or whitened your excessive speed, you should be thankful that the officer made this situation easier on you and himself.
Otherwise, "Better call Guedo, he can make it legal!"
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Quote from: Gaspar on January 24, 2014, 03:13:47 PM
Otherwise, "Better call Guedo, he can make it legal!"
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Just finished watching the first episode with him right before flipping over to here.
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$350 is way less than what you'll pay in insurance increases for the next 3 years over a 19 over. That said, I have been successful at negotiating these things myself in other states, but they were all places where speeding tickets were prosecuted by a prosecutor, not those weird states where they don't bother with petty things like court and adjudication of guilt for speeding tickets and other minor offenses. TBH, I have no idea how it works here in Oklahoma because the staties have so far always taken pity on me and written warnings.
Only one ticket in NH where I couldn't find an attorney willing to take the case for less than a grand did I actually pay a ticket, and only then because I was moving to Oklahoma and it was a 9 over and wouldn't affect my insurance here. In the other cases, the plea agreement was somewhere less than half the listed fine with no entry of guilt.
Best advice is to take the ticket to the DA/ADA office and talk to them about it. I have done this *cough* times and got them reduced in severity each time. You'll likely still have to pay the same $$$
Quote from: nathanm on January 25, 2014, 10:27:42 AM
$350 is way less than what you'll pay in insurance increases for the next 3 years over a 19 over. That said, I have been successful at negotiating these things myself in other states, but they were all places where speeding tickets were prosecuted by a prosecutor, not those weird states where they don't bother with petty things like court and adjudication of guilt for speeding tickets and other minor offenses. TBH, I have no idea how it works here in Oklahoma because the staties have so far always taken pity on me and written warnings.
Only one ticket in NH where I couldn't find an attorney willing to take the case for less than a grand did I actually pay a ticket, and only then because I was moving to Oklahoma and it was a 9 over and wouldn't affect my insurance here. In the other cases, the plea agreement was somewhere less than half the listed fine with no entry of guilt.
Ever think about slowing down a little? You sound like a slow learner. ;)
Quote from: Conan71 on January 25, 2014, 08:32:32 PM
Ever think about slowing down a little? You sound like a slow learner. ;)
Only one ticket since 2006 or so, for 79 in a 75 out in AZ. Somebody was in a bad mood that day and decided to take it out on me. ;)
Quote from: tulsacan on January 24, 2014, 12:48:54 PM
.....No, I sound like a guy that was driving on unfamiliar back roads that had a speed limit of 55, and then didn't realize I entered a BS 35MPH Speed Trap. I thought I was going the speed limit, I doubled back and in fact realized I did somehow miss the new speed limit sign. Your skills at reading between the lines are impeccable, you nailed me, hell I was in a giant company CNG Econoline van that I love to rip up the streets in. Be careful next time you see a giant white van pull up next to you, I might just be me ready to rev my engine at you. And I'm not arguing the ticket, I am just seeing if there are options as I am not fully familiar with all of them in Tulsa. I lived in both Texas and North Carolina for many years and both had a defensive driving option if you hadn't received a ticket in so many years that would deffer the ticket and then drop it off your record.
You know, I don't care if you were driving a Yugo, a semi pulling two 45 foot trailers or a Maserati. It sounds like you were not paying attention, you missed a speed limit change sign, and you are claiming that it's a
QuoteBS 35MPH Speed Trap
and you feel that you did not do anything wrong, it's a set up by the LEO's and it's not your fault, and you don't want to own up for it. Sorry if I pi$$ed in your Post Toasties with my reading between the lines, but when you claim speed trap set up, I have no sympathy.
Since 1990 I have had four tickets. '92 I got one from Arizona DPS for 77 in a 65, '97 73 in a 65 in New Mexico, '00 48 in a 35 photo radar in Phoenix, and '12 rolled a Stop Sign in Oregon. Other than the photo radar one, I just paid the fine and moved on. The photo radar one I went to a traffic school for 8 hours and it was taken off my record. Growing up in OK they don't have traffic school unless it's changed since 1998.
Quote from: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 26, 2014, 04:17:12 AM
It sounds like you were not paying attention, you missed a speed limit change sign, and you are claiming that it's a and you feel that you did not do anything wrong, it's a set up by the LEO's and it's not your fault, and you don't want to own up for it. Sorry if I pi$$ed in your Post Toasties with my reading between the lines, but when you claim speed trap set up, I have no sympathy.
Just this week:
Notorious 'speed trap' shutdown; town police disbanded
http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/notorious-speed-trap-shutdown-town-police-disbande/ncm4D
Towns like Kiowa dread 'speed trap' moniker
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/towns-like-kiowa-dread-speed-trap-moniker/article_e0404dd5-7293-5a31-8f1b-1cc88c6c66a6.html?mode=image&photo=%27
Quote from: patric on January 26, 2014, 10:57:51 AM
Just this week:
Notorious 'speed trap' shutdown; town police disbanded
http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/notorious-speed-trap-shutdown-town-police-disbande/ncm4D
Towns like Kiowa dread 'speed trap' moniker
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/towns-like-kiowa-dread-speed-trap-moniker/article_e0404dd5-7293-5a31-8f1b-1cc88c6c66a6.html?mode=image&photo=%27
Thought that happened some time ago. Fortunately in 18 years of driving in OK, I never got caught in either of those in all the trips I made to DF/W and back.
Quote from: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 26, 2014, 01:25:17 PM
Thought that happened some time ago. Fortunately in 18 years of driving in OK, I never got caught in either of those in all the trips I made to DF/W and back.
That's why some people call it a lottery. ;)
Quote from: nathanm on January 26, 2014, 01:34:11 PM
That's why some people call it a lottery. ;)
Nah, Escort Radar Detector, one of the best ones in the 80's. ;D
Quote from: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 26, 2014, 04:17:12 AM
The photo radar one I went to a traffic school for 8 hours and it was taken off my record.
Do you realize that that line right there undermines everything you've said? I was just trying to see if there were any options or programs in place, you bashed on me for not just paying the fine and moving on, suggesting that I didn't want to take responsibility or that I did not feel responsible.
And then you drop that gem on us.... So what you didn't think the law applied to you?? Taking your advice why didn't you just
"pay the fine and shut up"...
"it sounds like you don't want to take responsibility for it." Did you not
"want to own up for it."Clearly when you learned you had that option you should have done the right thing and said no thank you, I will take responsibility!
Many roads are underposted- anyhow, I can't see any harm in getting the case delayed, you at least have a better shot of getting it tossed out the window and saving some money & points if the cop fails to show up, it's imprtant that you don't forget to show up though, the date can slip your mind. However if the cop still shows up you'll be no worse off than you were at first, I'd say it's worth a shot.. I had a ticket in Texas tossed out the window back in the 1980's because the cop failed to show up and I did not even have to delay anything the court date was the date they set for me, they called his name a few times but he was not there- the DA said something to the judge and the judge turned to me and just dismissed it.
Legal advice from Sauerkraut. Yeah, I'd go with that.
Quote from: Ed W on January 27, 2014, 06:38:47 PM
Legal advice from Sauerkraut. Yeah, I'd go with that.
I'd place that right around with getting driving lessons from Ray Charles.
Quote from: Hoss on January 27, 2014, 08:54:22 PM
I'd place that right around with getting driving lessons from Ray Charles.
Ray Charles trivia from IMDB:
QuoteHired for a car commercial, he actually drove a car without assistance
in the Death Valley desert. He said that it was one of the most
exciting experiences of his life.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0153124/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
Quote from: tulsacan on January 27, 2014, 03:36:23 AM
Do you realize that that line right there undermines everything you've said? I was just trying to see if there were any options or programs in place, you bashed on me for not just paying the fine and moving on, suggesting that I didn't want to take responsibility or that I did not feel responsible.
And then you drop that gem on us.... So what you didn't think the law applied to you?? Taking your advice why didn't you just "pay the fine and shut up"... "it sounds like you don't want to take responsibility for it." Did you not "want to own up for it."
Clearly when you learned you had that option you should have done the right thing and said no thank you, I will take responsibility!
Wow, first time it was offered to me in 34 years of driving, sure I did use it. Growing up in Oklahoma it was never offered.
Have you tried calling the city attorney for a deal? He/she will give you a prosecutor's recommendation that you hand to the judge, plead no contest, pay the fine and bob's your uncle. The point being to lower the speed on the summons of course.
That's what I'm gonna do Monday, go talk to the traffic DA. Thanks for the input!
Quote from: tulsacan on February 01, 2014, 12:38:32 PM
That's what I'm gonna do Monday, go talk to the traffic DA. Thanks for the input!
My last ticket was in 1984 in Broken Arrow in a speed trap where the cop had a reputation of getting the number he wanted to see on the radar gun, then stopping people for the rest of the night on that reading. Talked to the City Attorney asking him the options like you are talking about. He was very helpful and since I had a witness riding with me who testified, I won since it is criminal court and there is a "beyond a reasonable doubt" level to be exceeded. City attorney's can be helpful (just not that much in Tulsa...)
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on February 04, 2014, 11:19:56 PM
My last ticket was in 1984 in Broken Arrow in a speed trap where the cop had a reputation of getting the number he wanted to see on the radar gun, then stopping people for the rest of the night on that reading. Talked to the City Attorney asking him the options like you are talking about. He was very helpful and since I had a witness riding with me who testified, I won since it is criminal court and there is a "beyond a reasonable doubt" level to be exceeded. City attorney's can be helpful (just not that much in Tulsa...)
Dont want to upset the unions.
Somewhat related:
ST. LOUIS (AP) — It's a common practice among drivers who pass through a speed trap: Flash your headlights at approaching cars as a warning to slow down. Now, a federal court judge in Missouri says penalizing drivers for the headlight flash violates their First Amendment right to free speech.
U.S. District Judge Henry E. Autrey on Monday issued a preliminary injunction prohibiting the citing and prosecuting drivers who flash their lights to warn of radar and speed traps.
Autrey said in his ruling that the flashing of headlights was essentially a good thing, sending ''a message to bring one's driving in conformity with the law — whether it be by slowing down, turning on one's own headlamps at dusk or in the rain, or proceeding with caution.''
Wow, it's only been 20 or 30 years since the first court decision on that point.
This reminds me of an old saying "Anyone who acts as your own attorney- has a fool for a client". Wise wordz.
"...When the law is used as a means to create revenue, traffic offenses are often exaggerated and lead to illegitimate traffic stops and the issuance of citations that cause financial hardships upon the motoring public and violate the constitutional rights of all those detained..."
Retired cop writes up small town, calls it a speed trap; state investigating
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/retired-cop-writes-up-small-town-calls-it-a-speed/article_0f975993-5f34-53fa-8919-a5e7670f1c82.html