http://www.newson6.com/story/23963513/company-to-announce-big-plans-for-downtown-tulsa (http://www.newson6.com/story/23963513/company-to-announce-big-plans-for-downtown-tulsa)
Announcement today about a "big" hotel development in downtown. They were looking for an entire square block to develop in the Brady, but the press conference is set to be across the street from the BOK Center (One Place, maybe?). Anyone know any details?
Or is this the same as the already-announced plans for the Holiday Inn Express?
Quote from: dsjeffries on November 14, 2013, 09:03:47 AM
http://www.newson6.com/story/23963513/company-to-announce-big-plans-for-downtown-tulsa (http://www.newson6.com/story/23963513/company-to-announce-big-plans-for-downtown-tulsa)
Announcement today about a "big" hotel development in downtown. They were looking for an entire square block to develop in the Brady, but the press conference is set to be across the street from the BOK Center (One Place, maybe?). Anyone know any details?
Or is this the same as the already-announced plans for the Holiday Inn Express?
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=20229.0 / http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/New-hotel-planned-for-downtown-Tulsa/vbVJt1U_7kWi7K6w2zmgXA.cspx
Looks to be the same as both show the developer as being "The Promise Group".
Holding a press conference in front the BOK Center indicates is may be an announcement related to the hotel component that was always supposed to be a part of phase II of One Place.
Speaking of phase II , aren't the deveopers "on the clock" with the TDA, after receiving an extension of time to complete phase II? They claimed to need the extension because the space was needed for construction materials storage and staging for phase I. What happens if they don't meet TDA's deadline?
Quote from: DTowner on November 14, 2013, 09:44:06 AM
Holding a press conference in front the BOK Center indicates is may be an announcement related to the hotel component that was always supposed to be a part of phase II of One Place.
Speaking of phase II , aren't the deveopers "on the clock" with the TDA, after receiving an extension of time to complete phase II? They claimed to need the extension because the space was needed for construction materials storage and staging for phase I. What happens if they don't meet TDA's deadline?
They have to go and sit in the corner with Sager
The Tulsa World is now reporting that it is a second hotel for the Summit guy. This does seem to be the Place One development hotel, it will be a 7 story, 134 room Hilton Garden Inn at 2nd and Cheyenne.
So that's four new hotels announced for downtown now in the last few weeks, two in the Brady, one by Bok and then the Parker Drilling Building conversion in between.
Quote from: swake on November 14, 2013, 10:55:29 AM
The Tulsa World is now reporting that it is a second hotel for the Summit guy. This does seem to be the One Place development hotel, it will be a 7 story, 134 room Hilton Garden Inn at 2nd and Cheyenne.
So that's four new hotels announced for downtown now in the last few weeks, two in the Brady, one by Bok and then the Parker Drilling Building conversion in between.
Interesting. They're including the existing building into the new development. I wonder how much of the original facade they'll keep, and if they're building directly over the existing structure. This won't be a part of One Place. I like that they've included so much space for retail and restaurant development.
QuoteTulsa-based Promise Hotels and The Ross Group announced Thursday morning plans to build a 134-room Hilton Garden Hotel at the corner of Cheyenne Avenue and Second Street downtown. The $16-million mixed-use development will include the seven-story hotel with 15,000 square feet of retail and restaurant space.
The hotel is expected to be completed by 2016. Construction will intertwine the existing 1970s building with new facilities.
"With the resurgence of downtown Tulsa, we are bullish about the growth in the Central Business District," Pete Patel, Promise Hotels president and CEO, said in a statement.
The development will be near the BOK Center, Cox Business Center and the new One Place building. Promise Hotels also detailed plans to build a Holiday Inn Express near ONEOK Field.
Edit:
KOTV (http://"http://www.newson6.com/story/23969429/16-million-hotel-restaurant-retail-development-coming-to-downtown-tulsa") has renderings and more information:
QuoteThe project is a fusion of adaptive reuse and new construction, according to developers. An existing 1970s-era building will be repurposed into the retail, restaurants, event space and rooftop patio. The new Hilton Garden Inn will wrap around it.
(http://kotv.images.worldnow.com/images/23969429_BG1.jpg)
Edit... my connection is too slow... post removed (duped dsjeffries's rendering)
Anyone notice what absent from their plan? Parking. There's a public garage right across the street (plus several lots nearby). They're actually removing a parking lot to build part of the hotel on (the lot between the existing building and the Federal Courthouse). I think it's great!
Plus, I like the rooftop patio.
I like the translucent (or chameleony) trees.
I really like the rendering and the use of the existing building. Rooftop patio surrounded by the hotel also is a pretty neat idea. It should do really well during concerts and other downtown events.
Out of curiosity, does this end or delay the hotel that was supposed to be part of One Place development? That lot is directly across the corner from this development. I'd like to think that there is enough demand that both could exist. Take up more parking lots please!
Quote from: DowntownDan on November 14, 2013, 12:10:57 PM
Out of curiosity, does this end or delay the hotel that was supposed to be part of One Place development? That lot is directly across the corner from this development. I'd like to think that there is enough demand that both could exist. Take up more parking lots please!
I was just thinking the same thing. If all or even most of the announced hotels come to be, it could really make it hard for One Place to put up the large hotel that was orignally part of its plan. One Place may have missed its window of opportunity for delaying phase II so long. Then again, given One Place's limited success in attracting retail/restaurant tenants to its existing spaces, maybe this will give them an excuse to back out of phase II.
Very cool looking. I wonder if that building has a basement for parking.
And it's NOT Place One. So what is wrong what that development that hotels are going up literally all around it and they still can't get their hotel done.
Quote from: swake on November 14, 2013, 12:19:30 PM
Very cool looking. I wonder if that building has a basement for parking.
And it's NOT Place One One Place. So what is wrong what that development that hotels are going up literally all around it and they still can't get their hotel done.
I think One Place is looking for a BIG hotel anchor--something along the lines of 300-400 rooms with full service. Different beast.
Quote from: dsjeffries on November 14, 2013, 12:28:48 PM
I think One Place is looking for a BIG hotel anchor--something along the lines of 300-400 rooms with full service. Different beast.
When they first announced One Place in 2009 they specifically mentioned a 120 room hotel and that they were working with Hilton Hotels. What's being built across the street is a 134 room Hilton Garden Inn.
Quote
Developer targets Tulsa arena traffic
by Kirby Lee Davis
The Journal Record May 8, 2009
TULSA – Bob Eggleston faces a race against time.The Tulsa Development Authority agreed Thursday to a 21-day negotiation period with Eggleston for his investor group to buy about 1.5 acres at Third Street and Denver Avenue, a prime spot facing the BOK Center arena entrance.
With that and other lands on the block at his disposal, Eggleston hopes to raise One Place, a projected $38 million to $44 million complex mixing retail, office, lofts and a hotel.
That multilevel project would mine commercial opportunities relatively untapped since the 18,000-seat arena opened in September.
But even if the partnership One Development LLC reaches an agreement with the TDA, that still puts the project three or more years away from opening – a long lag time when trying to change instilled consumer habits against shopping and dining downtown.
Some restaurant operators have grumbled about concert-goers spending little money during their downtown visits. One restaurant that opened last year, anticipating strong BOK Center business, has already closed.
"Sometimes they come here, sometimes it is not so good," said Mariana Rojas, who with her husband, Guillermo, moved their Latin grill Casa Laredo to the Adams Hotel Building in September, just a block away from the Vision 2025 arena.
With a national recession slowly creeping into the Tulsa economy, some analysts fear the arena's novelty and curiosity factors could fade within consumers over those three construction years, returning a sense of routine and indifference.
"Traditional retail doesn't work there," analyst Bob Parker said of modern downtown environments. "There's too many alternatives closer to where they live. And you can't just live off of the one or two events, that big concert every month."
Eggleston understands the challenge. As the former construction director on the BOK Center, he often wondered why no developer moved on his targeted lot.
"You have to create a critical mass to keep people downtown," Eggleston said. "One restaurant does not do that."
By mixing residential with restaurants, retail, office and hospitality, Eggleston said One Place will create a self-sustaining synergy that may capitalize on potential arena business.
The project would benefit from several other downtown residential efforts coming online during his construction period, along with the renovated Tulsa Convention Center and the Oneok Field ballpark to debut next year.
Parker said those steps could sustain and build downtown momentum for a project like One Place.
"I don't think it's much of a risk at all," said Ben Edwards, a consultant to Eggleston who also worked with him on the arena. "The Blue Dome District shows the market and the need. People are just a little bit hesitant to step out in a downtown that has been vacant for so long."
After considering this development for months, Eggleston gathered support in January from a variety of financial and business leaders, including multifamily developer Leinbach Properties, Hilton Hotels, hotel financier American Liberty Hospitality, Miles Associates, Cooper Construction Estimating and D.P. Consultants. A PowerPoint presentation by Eggleston cited financial backing from a local development consortium and other team members.
"This is a local deal," he said, explaining how he obtained financial commitments so rapidly. "This is not outside investors."
Cheyenne Development, which Eggleston has a stake in, bought one of the two buildings on the targeted block, the two-story Tulsa Vision Builders site. Eggleston said Concorde Development of Oklahoma, which owns the former Towerview apartment property, has pledged to participate in One Place or sell that building.
Both existing structures would be torn down for One Place.
Eggleston made his first presentation to the Tulsa Development Authority two weeks ago, offering several letters of support to verify his financial backing.
One Development proposed a $1.5 million purchase price for the TDA property, with the authority making the site shovel-ready before transferal.
Eggleston projects it will take One Development a year or more before workers may break ground. He projected construction would take two more years after that.
The design remains fluid, with Eggleston offering only general outlines of what One Place could offer. His PowerPoint touted a development with a 120-room hotel, 40-plus lofts, 15,000 square feet of office and retail space. But as he discussed One Place, he mentioned how certain elements could change dramatically depending on market demand. With all the restaurant interest already drawn, he speculated Thursday that retail space could grow to 20,000 square feet or more.
"You can't have a project until you own the land," he said with a smile.
That's where time factors in to Eggleston's plan. Although construction inflation stabilized this year, Eggleston expects it to return with a fury, perhaps raising his budget $1 million annually.
"All of these things take a lot of time," said Parker, vice president of retail for GBR Properties of Tulsa. "That two- to three-year time frame, while it takes long, is pretty realistic."
While he understood the challenges seeking to arena customers, Parker suggested the consumer spending slowdown probably played a role in restaurant traffic concerns. With the ballpark coming online, he said downtown restaurants and retailers could garner more excitement.
Parker said the mix of residential, service retail and hospitality could make One Place a starting point for redeveloping the BOK Center district.
"If they can tie all that in, something like this could lead to something real finally getting done," he said.
"Just the fact that someone can announce this, this year, in this economy, is pretty optimistic," said Parker. "There's not a lot of communities that could even try to pull off something like this right now."
OnePlace repaved the empty lot after getting an extension. Not the action of someone who intends to tear it out within a year IMHO. Hope TDA is smart enough to include penalty clauses...
The taller buildings in the picture don't match with the buildings there now.
Are they going to tear down the existing brick structures?
Can someone post some pictures?
Quote from: swake on November 14, 2013, 12:47:25 PM
When they first announced One Place in 2009 they specifically mentioned a 120 room hotel and that they were working with Hilton Hotels. What's being built across the street is a 134 room Hilton Garden Inn.
Hmmm... Maybe I'm thinking of the original proposal for the site, back before One Place. IIRC, Gaspar worked on some renderings for that project.
I hope they've got something in the works.
Great news, so happy to see more and more developments announced.
I am going to miss this little art deco facade though
(https://cbks2.google.com/cbk?output=thumbnail&cb_client=maps_sv&thumb=2&thumbfov=120&ll=36.153217,-95.993769&yaw=91.7&thumbpegman=1&w=300&h=118)
Quote from: carltonplace on November 14, 2013, 01:48:36 PM
Great news, so happy to see more and more developments announced.
I am going to miss this little art deco facade though
(https://cbks2.google.com/cbk?output=thumbnail&cb_client=maps_sv&thumb=2&thumbfov=120&ll=36.153217,-95.993769&yaw=91.7&thumbpegman=1&w=300&h=118)
You can't be serious. We are gonna lose another Art Deco building? I really like that one too, it's actually one of my favorites.
If I remember correctly, the company that I'm currently employed with has history in that building. I agree with Artist...do.not.want.
Quote from: TheArtist on November 14, 2013, 01:53:40 PM
You can't be serious. We are gonna lose another Art Deco building? I really like that one too, it's actually one of my favorites.
Let's stick a sign on it that says "A Tulsa Art Deco Gem", maybe it can be incoporated
Quote from: dsjeffries on November 14, 2013, 11:31:54 AM
Anyone notice what absent from their plan? Parking. There's a public garage right across the street (plus several lots nearby). They're actually removing a parking lot to build part of the hotel on (the lot between the existing building and the Federal Courthouse). I think it's great!
Plus, I like the rooftop patio.
The magic of rendering and marketing.
I think the parking lot is still there.
(https://cbks2.google.com/cbk?output=thumbnail&cb_client=maps_sv&thumb=2&thumbfov=120&ll=36.153217,-95.993769&yaw=91.7&thumbpegman=1&w=300&h=118)
(http://kotv.images.worldnow.com/images/23969429_BG1.jpg)
In the rendering Tia's and the wright building are vague white boxes.
The parking-lot gap between the hotel and the vague white box is still there.
Quote from: TheArtist on November 14, 2013, 01:53:40 PM
You can't be serious. We are gonna lose another Art Deco building? I really like that one too, it's actually one of my favorites.
I like that one, too. But we're not necessarily losing that one. It's hard to tell from the renderings.
BUT, it could end up being like this, only using the 201 S Cheyenne Building:
(http://djeffries.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/HiltonGardenInnTulsa.jpg)
QuoteIn the rendering Tia's and the wright building are vague white boxes.
The parking-lot gap between the hotel and the vague white box is still there.
Again, it's the parking lot to the east of the building that looks like it's the one disappearing, not the south one.
Quote from: dsjeffries on November 14, 2013, 02:11:29 PM
I like that one, too. But we're not necessarily losing that one. It's hard to tell from the renderings.
BUT, it could end up being like this, only using the 201 S Cheyenne Building:
(http://djeffries.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/HiltonGardenInnTulsa.jpg)
Again, it's the parking lot to the east of the building that looks like it's the one disappearing, not the south one.
I hope so. I just know they were sold as "a set"
Someone find out. I have some connections with the Patel family. But I will still want to approach them with more than just me begging and saying please.
KTUL has a much larger image available. Based on the scale of the people in the picture, I have my fingers crossed that it's just the 201 S Cheyenne Building.
(http://ktul.images.worldnow.com/images/23971234_BG1.jpg)
Quote from: TheArtist on November 14, 2013, 02:15:50 PM
Someone find out. I have some connections with the Patel family. But I will still want to approach them with more than just me begging and saying please.
Which Patel family?
Quote from: swake on November 14, 2013, 02:42:22 PM
Which Patel family?
Pete Patel was the one quoted on KRMG this afternoon.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on November 14, 2013, 12:50:51 PM
OnePlace repaved the empty lot after getting an extension. Not the action of someone who intends to tear it out within a year IMHO. Hope TDA is smart enough to include penalty clauses...
You said "TDA" and "smart" in the same sentence. You know better.
I think One Place has two options now: 1) aim for a larger full service hotel (200-300 rooms) or 2) build apartments with retail space along Denver and 3rd. I dont know if downtown can support any more limited service hotels for now but there is probably demand for full service especially at this location.
Quote from: swake on November 14, 2013, 02:42:22 PM
Which Patel family?
The ones that do a large number of the hotels in and around Tulsa. Have done artwork for several family members and in several of their hotels including some in Jenks and Owasso.
Quote from: TheArtist on November 14, 2013, 01:53:40 PM
You can't be serious. We are gonna lose another Art Deco building? I really like that one too, it's actually one of my favorites.
This quote from the Tulsa World indicates two small buidlings around the repurposed building will be torn down.
"The existing two-story building will house retail, restaurant, event space and the rooftop patio, while a new seven-story building will wrap around that. As part of the construction, the two buildings next to the Oil and Gas Journal building will be torn down, said Paresh "Pete" Patel, president and CEO of Promise Hotels."
Quote from: SXSW on November 14, 2013, 02:55:35 PM
I think One Place has two options now: 1) aim for a larger full service hotel (200-300 rooms) or 2) build apartments with retail space along Denver and 3rd. I dont know if downtown can support any more limited service hotels for now but there is probably demand for full service especially at this location.
Given One Place's look and ability to lease out only one retail/restaurant space so far and complete lack of activity on phase II, this development is really starting to look like a giant missed opportunity on a prime location.
Quote from: DTowner on November 14, 2013, 03:16:15 PM
Given One Place's look and ability to lease out only one retail/restaurant space so far and complete lack of activity on phase II, this development is really starting to look like a giant missed opportunity on a prime location.
On that note, what happened to the retail and restaurants at street level for Greenarch?
Quote from: Weatherdemon on November 14, 2013, 03:21:47 PM
On that note, what happened to the retail and restaurants at street level for Greenarch?
There are several retail shops in GreenArch. The big corner space is still available.
My understanding is One Place is looking for the giant convention center hotel. A downtown version of the Renaissance basically. A facility that can has 500-700 rooms and can host banquets in the 1,000's.
Quote from: TheArtist on November 14, 2013, 02:59:03 PM
The ones that do a large number of the hotels in and around Tulsa. Have done artwork for several family members and in several of their hotels including some in Jenks and Owasso.
Patel is a very common Indian name and a huge percentage of small and medium sized hotels in the US, if not the majority, are owned by Indians. The hotel owners are usually named Patel and almost never related. It's a strange phenomenon I ran across when I worked in Telecom and dealt with small business line customers.
Quote from: DTowner on November 14, 2013, 03:16:15 PM
Given One Place's look and ability to lease out only one retail/restaurant space so far and complete lack of activity on phase II, this development is really starting to look like a giant missed opportunity on a prime location.
I'll withhold judgement until Phase II is complete. A taller (10+ story) full-service hotel, something more like a Renaissance or Sheraton, would redeem this development. I still think the Cimarex tower is ugly.
This hotel looks decent for what it is, a Hilton Garden Inn. I was hoping something like this would go where the old Coney Island motel used to be, filling in more surface parking.
Quote from: SXSW on November 14, 2013, 10:20:37 PM
I'll withhold judgement until Phase II is complete. A taller (10+ story) full-service hotel, something more like a Renaissance or Sheraton, would redeem this development. I still think the Cimarex tower is ugly.
This hotel looks decent for what it is, a Hilton Garden Inn. I was hoping something like this would go where the old Coney Island motel used to be, filling in more surface parking.
They have a lot to make up for. Cimarex might just be the ugliest building downtown other than the federal building/post office.
The asking price for retail space in OnePlace is high. Advertised rate is $25/sq ft. Clearly aiming for national high end / luxury brands... not dwelling spaces and a pizza joint.
I love street level retail, but it isn't exactly taking off yet. Hope that trends the other way.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on November 14, 2013, 10:39:09 PM
The asking price for retail space in OnePlace is high. Advertised rate is $25/sq ft. Clearly aiming for national high end / luxury brands... not dwelling spaces and a pizza joint.
Hey, I have a '98 Buick I could be persuaded to part with for $100,000 +/- a few $hundred.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on November 14, 2013, 10:39:09 PM
The asking price for retail space in OnePlace is high. Advertised rate is $25/sq ft. Clearly aiming for national high end / luxury brands... not dwelling spaces and a pizza joint.
I love street level retail, but it isn't exactly taking off yet. Hope that trends the other way.
Yeah, paying a ton of money on a lease in a space that only has real traffic 15% of the year isn't very attractive. I think people highly over estimate the bump in business you get on a Monday night concert.
Quote from: CharlieSheen on November 15, 2013, 07:35:21 AM
Yeah, paying a ton of money on a lease in a space that only has real traffic 15% of the year isn't very attractive. I think people highly over estimate the bump in business you get on a Monday night concert.
Presumably the more steady foot traffic created by the hotel and apartments in phase II are being counted on to help support the retail portion of phase I. The long delay in getting phase II started is likely killing any chance of landing the kind of tenants they targeted.
Quote from: CharlieSheen on November 15, 2013, 07:35:21 AM
Yeah, paying a ton of money on a lease in a space that only has real traffic 15% of the year isn't very attractive. I think people highly over estimate the bump in business you get on a Monday night concert.
One of the reasons it would be wise imho to make your development pedestrian friendly if you want a steady customer base in an urban setting. Long term as downtown fills in, pedestrian traffic will be your bread and butter. Downtown Tulsa, downtown anywhere, that holds true. For steady pedestrian traffic you will want your development to be pedestrian friendly and nestled amongst or right by other pedestrian friendly businesses. Been true for tens of thousands of years, still true today and tomorrow,,, even in a car centric culture. And the more urban and dense an area becomes, the more true that will become. Sure you can find the occasional exception, but 90+% of the time...
I would give this new development about a B- on the pedestrian friendly scale lol. Lots of windows will make it attractive to walk up to and past (if they don't put reflective coating on them so that you can't see in during the day, etc.) Also having the street level massing broken up into 3 distinct segments helps. Couple negatives, the corner space is often your choice area for entrance and egress, or place to have window viewing in and out, or interesting architectural detail, helps to make an entire intersection attractive for everyone including the other (lucky or unlucky) businesses around it. Also does not appear to have many entrances, but that may be the render. Also not much in the way of potential awnings, loggias, portico's etc. to protect from sun (not just the pedestrians but protect your windows) and rain (get those long rainy days and even weeks or 100+ sunny temps and you and your customers will dearly miss it and you chomp down a percentage of pedestrian traffic for you and your neighbors ((rather thoughtless and unkind thing to do)). It's like we have forgotten how to build good urban spaces over the last generation. But again, this one is better than some new developments that have gone in downtown.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on November 14, 2013, 10:39:09 PM
The asking price for retail space in OnePlace is high. Advertised rate is $25/sq ft. Clearly aiming for national high end / luxury brands... not dwelling spaces and a pizza joint.
I love street level retail, but it isn't exactly taking off yet. Hope that trends the other way.
Ironic that the first retailer is an overpriced pizza place.
OK, so I'm confused about the "two smaller buildings" they want to tear down. The only "small" buildings I can think of are the Oil and Gas Journal Building (211 S Cheyenne) and the Wright Building (125 W. 3rd) (which is the Ti Amos building). These are basically the coolest/most interesting buildings on the block. So, of course, they should come down. (Go Tulsa!)
Really?
The Wright Building/Ti Amos building is designated a "contributing resource" to the Oil Capital Historic District. It would probably be individually listed if it weren't for the terrible replacement windows and some of the missing exterior detail, but it qualifies for historic tax credits because it falls within and contributes to the district. The Oil and Gas Journal Building is a historic building that has been altered, so it doesn't meet standards for inclusion in the historic district, but it's a great building. (Aside from the windows, I think it's more attractive now than originally!) And I believe there are still some tax credits available just b/c it's over 50 years old, even if it doesn't qualify as part of the historic district.
I can't figure out how to get the photos to appear here, but here are the links to the Beryl Ford Collection:
Oil and Gas Journal Building:
http://cdm15020.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15020coll1/id/11979/rec/3 (http://cdm15020.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15020coll1/id/11979/rec/3)
Wright Building:
http://cdm15020.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15020coll1/id/22835/rec/1 (http://cdm15020.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15020coll1/id/22835/rec/1)
Do you think their intention is really to tear down the Wright Building Annex(Ti Amos)? Why in the world would they do that?
I'm just going with the quote about "two smaller buildings..." What other "small" buildings are nearby?
...oh, and also because this is Tulsa.
So nothing's protected except the short-term financial goals of whatever "visionary" currently owns a particular historic property.
Our architectural history and the future of our built environment rest solely on the arbitrary decisions of an assortment of random individual property owners. (No zoning and no HP guidelines, please, just our individual, god-given property rights.) (Who knew that god was into property rights?)
But don't worry, if the past 40 years are any indication, these individual property owners will always wisely (and with tremendous foresight) determine the "highest and best use" for these "functionally obsolete" buildings.
</cynicism> </bitterness>
Here is the definitive answer from the horse's mouth:
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There are two buildings on the site; one of the two story buildings will be renovated for leased retail and the hotel's public spaces; the other building will be demolished to make way for the 134-key guestroom tower.
(http://i.imgur.com/Kz8ubfq.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gEWiaH5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/oJodmAK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/qLzv8BG.jpg)
The two affected buildings:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=2nd+%26+Cheyenne+tulsa&hl=en&ll=36.153219,-95.993644&spn=0.000662,0.000603&sll=36.153535,-95.993939&layer=c&cbp=13,62.58,,0,-3.59&cbll=36.153219,-95.993772&hnear=S+Cheyenne+Ave+%26+W+2nd+St,+Tulsa,+Oklahoma+74103&t=h&z=21&panoid=xs1_rzc4vXVX_B2IU3SFTg
This thread escalated quickly.
Reading comprehension and deep breaths for the win.
Is the Wright building the one directly next to the Oil and Gas Journal building?
That is the one that's a gonner.
https://maps.google.com/?ll=36.153219,-95.993772&spn=0.000002,0.000817&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=36.153133,-95.993726&panoid=TECXg-mKOo_Smhqdma6AEA&cbp=12,65.32,,0,6.22
Quote from: Weatherdemon on November 18, 2013, 12:52:45 PM
Is the Wright building the one directly next to the Oil and Gas Journal building?
That is the one that's a gonner.
https://maps.google.com/?ll=36.153219,-95.993772&spn=0.000002,0.000817&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=36.153133,-95.993726&panoid=TECXg-mKOo_Smhqdma6AEA&cbp=12,65.32,,0,6.22
The one you have in the view from Google Streets is the Oil & Gas Journal building.
I don't think ti amo is going anywhere.
Clear up a couple things:
The building where Ti Amo's, also known as Wright Building Annex, is located (SW corner of the block) is owned by TEDC. The Forge, the business incubator run by TYPROS is the tenant on the upper floors. It is not going anywhere.
The building to the east of Ti Amo's (facing South) between Cheyenne & Boulder on 3rd), also known as the Wright Building, and home to The Sushi Place is owned by a local attorney. It also is not going anywhere.
PHD Hospitality LLC owns the NW quarter of the block which includes two buildings.
The other half of the block is the federal courthouse building.
(http://i.imgur.com/Zvv5doA.png)
Quote from: Hoss on November 18, 2013, 12:54:16 PM
The one you have in the view from Google Streets is the Oil & Gas Journal building.
What is the corner one seen in the drawings with 2nd story windows then?
According to the post with the red overlay, this is an art deco building that will be torn down.
Quote from: Weatherdemon on November 18, 2013, 02:07:12 PM
What is the corner one seen in the drawings with 2nd story windows then?
According to the post with the red overlay, this is an art deco building that will be torn down.
On the corner = Oil & Gas Journal Building
Next-door (south) = "attached unnamed building with art-deco facade"
Edit: Attempt #2:
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Quote from: Weatherdemon on November 18, 2013, 02:07:12 PM
According to the post with the red overlay, this is an art deco building that will be torn down.
Got to go. You know, the earthquake damage. ;D
Quote from: patric on November 18, 2013, 02:39:23 PM
Got to go. You know, the earthquake damage. ;D
LOL, nice :D
Have some people trying to contact the owners and talking to the architects to see if we can at least save the facade of the art deco, oil and gas journal building. Anyone else that can try and reach out to the involved parties to try and save something of this building would be a big help.
From what I hear the interior art deco building is mostly gutted and devoid of any original character. I still think it's definitely worth saving the facade.
The interior is entirely gutted and meritless. The facade is nearly perfect.
Quote from: TheArtist on November 18, 2013, 05:28:13 PM
Have some people trying to contact the owners and talking to the architects to see if we can at least save the facade of the art deco, oil and gas journal building. Anyone else that can try and reach out to the involved parties to try and save something of this building would be a big help.
From what I hear the interior art deco building is mostly gutted and devoid of any original character. I still think it's definitely worth saving the facade.
Architects emailed. Think I know someone on developer side. Will reach out.
I think they could incorporate that facade into the hotel easily. Developers were able to save the art deco facade of the farmer's market at 11th and Elgin.
I hate to lose any more art deco character in this town.
I spoke with my "contact" with the family for a bit, he was very kind and seemed to agree that we should try to save our artistic/cultural/historic heritage whenever possible, and they said they would try to mention to Pete my concerns and thoughts. He also gave me Pete's e-mail, so I will try and do a little begging and pleading on my end.
It's always difficult when your asking someone to "do something with their own money and property", one can't help but feel uncomfortable and hesitant about doing so. I would hope to present it as something that would ultimately be a positive for the individual, if not just financially, then personally. He has the opportunity to save something of our history for future generations. He won't be another one of those people that tore something down and people look back and wonder "Why?" "How could they do that?". But instead he can be lauded and set up as a positive example of someone who took some extra steps that he didn't have to, to do something good for everyone.
Sure it's not a grand building, but it is surely a "contributing" building to our Art Deco Heritage. It also serves as a reminder of an important part of our history. We have some copies of The Oil and Gas Journal at the Tulsa Art Deco Museum. The ones printed during the 1930's, when this building was built, have some great examples of Art Deco advertising artwork in them. The journal was very widely known and respected around the world. This building is actually unique architecturally in that it is an example of the Art Deco Style that transitions between the more ornate Zig Zag style and the Streamlined style. It's simple, clean, bold geometry and facade having practically no ornamentation, which may seem boring to some, was actually quite forward and modern for the 1930s, which in itself tells you something about Tulsa, and the company and industry it sought to represent at that time. We are quite lacking in even decent examples of this unique, but classic Art Deco style in Tulsa for most have been lost. This rarity now makes this remaining building all the more important an example of it's kind.
Just about every time I mention to someone that Tulsa was once known as the Terra-cotta City, they have no idea what I am talking about. The Adam's building is one remaining example of that. But we used to have so much of those types of buildings having that riot of ornate terra-cotta, that that was something we were widely known for. But most of that was lost, fires, being torn down, small ones said to be of not much worth done away with, etc. And now, despite how widely known it was at one time, most don't know about it at all anymore.
Would hate to see something similar happen with Tulsa's Art Deco. We are known for it know, and it brings in tourists and makes our city unique and special, and gives us something to be proud of. But truth be told, we are no longer one of the top cities in the US having one of the largest numbers and concentrations of Art Deco buildings. We have lost so much that what we are left saying is pretty much a bluff, and or a "don't want to face the ugly truth" bit of denial. There are probably now a dozen other cities that now have more than we do in the US alone. We have some great examples left sure, but those aren't going to be enough to fool anyone into believing we have one of the top collections or top number of buildings if we wipe out all but a handful of the biggest and best. Seattle has more and some great examples, so does Los Angeles, Hollywood, Chicago, Detroit, Miami of course, NYC probably has 10 times as much or more, Houston, New Jersey, Dallas, Kansas City has a number of large Art Deco buildings and likely more over all than we do as well, Minneapolis & St Paul have many stellar examples, Denver, etc. and dare I say that even OKC may be able to challenge us with a larger number Art Deco buildings remaining (though over all our best rival theirs).
We keep moving down the list as we steadily destroy one of the few positive things we are known for around the world. But truth be told, we are now know for "what we once had" for we have destroyed over half, and are now left relying on pretty much bluff and a few good examples. But that is not even going to work if we destroy most of the remaining "little stuff".
Another city that has one of the most extensive and impresseive collections of stunning and in tact terra cotta architecture in North America is Winnipeg, Manitoba. Very few people are aware of that factoid as well.