13 days out...
What is your guess on who will win and what will the percent of the vote the winner will receive?
I will donate a turkey (and a little cash) to John 3:16 in the name of the winner.
In case of a tie, earliest entry wins. If post is edited it might be thrown out.
Go.
Taylor
57%
Taylor 52%
Taylor 55%
Bartlett 55%
Dewey 53.5%
I predict an overheating personal electronics device at some point during the concession speech.
Taylor..50.7%
Dewey demands recount. Taylor picks up 2 more votes. 52.7%
Red, does that math work?
Taylor 61%.
Yeah, I know...I'm a dreamer....
Taylor 53%
Taylor 54%
Paul Tay 55%....but on his home planet, not this one.
Taylor 56.3%
Taylor 55.4%
I hope it's Taylor, Dewy is a scatter brain and has not a clue what he's doing. Our road construction is a serious mess, the trash system mess, the American Airlines boondoggle, and Dewys pro- tax on everything. Dewy did not earn a 2nd term... I'm not a liberal I am a "T" Party Sarah Palin type of conservative and I'm mad. I hope with Taylor at least this city-wide road construction mess will clear up. :-X
but I asked for a prediction.
Taylor 50.7
Dewey 49.1
Al Gore 0.2
Quote from: AquaMan on October 30, 2013, 06:01:34 PM
Taylor..50.7%
Dewey demands recount. Taylor picks up 2 more votes. 52.7%
Red, does that math work?
Maybe, if the turnout is small enough (like around 100). I'm not going to figure it out exactly.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on November 02, 2013, 06:33:33 PM
but I asked for a prediction.
You heard him. Palin's gonna do the Dew.
Quote from: Townsend on November 02, 2013, 11:33:37 PM
You heard him. Palin's gonna do the Dew.
Okay, that's just a disgusting image...
Quote from: Conan71 on November 03, 2013, 07:35:34 PM
Okay, that's just a disgusting image...
And painful...a flaming cell phone might cause great discomfort to both parties.
Quote from: sauerkraut on November 02, 2013, 02:39:44 PM
I hope it's Taylor, Dewy is a scatter brain and has not a clue what he's doing. Our road construction is a serious mess, the trash system mess, the American Airlines boondoggle, and Dewys pro- tax on everything. Dewy did not earn a 2nd term... I'm not a liberal I am a "T" Party Sarah Palin type of conservative and I'm mad. I hope with Taylor at least this city-wide road construction mess will clear up. :-X
Well, if you are mad, you should at least be mad at the right people....like Sarah Palin....you remember her, don't you? The one who couldn't even be bothered to complete the job she spent a TON of money to get, but then left the people of Alaska after about half the term. Yeah...there's the paragon of honor and trustworthiness we have come to expect from the tea-baggers.
"But obviously we gotta stand with our North Korean allies..."
- Sarah Palin
Redefining stupid, one sentence at at time.
Could we just stick to predictions about the Mayor's race?
Just once try to stay on topic.
Grizzle with the write in steal.
Or Ewing.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on November 04, 2013, 07:00:51 AM
Could we just stick to predictions about the Mayor's race?
Just once try to stay on topic.
Party pooper!!
Can I change my prediction? I would like to take it to 62%....
Just looking at signs in yards I'll guess high: 66.6. Oh, percent!
Quote from: MyDogHunts on November 04, 2013, 05:33:41 PM
Just looking at signs in yards I'll guess high: 66.6. Oh, percent!
You are gonna force me to go to 67% just to "one-up"....
Improbable.
In the June primary Bartlett got 34% to Taylor 42%.
Surely Bartlett will get some of the 23% that supported Christiansen to vote for him.
The numbers from June were 24,495 for Taylor, 19,937 for Bartlett, and 13,476 for Christiansen for 57,908 total. Half of that is 28,954.
In theory, Bartlett needs 9,017 of the 13,476 Christiansen voters. That is almost exactly two thirds of them (66.9%).
Of course, many different people might be voting in November compared to June, especially with the sales tax and the bond issue on the ballot.
Quote'Campaign intern' for Tulsa mayoral candidate Kathy Taylor says he's following Dewey Bartlett
TULSA - A man questioned by police for suspicious activity Saturday told officers he was hired by Tulsa mayoral candidate Kathy Taylor's office to follow her opponent Dewey Bartlett. A police field interview report details the run-in with a Norman man, who witnesses reported seeing sitting parked inside his car outside the current mayor's home for the past several days.
The 23-year-old admitted to tracking Bartlett's movements, telling officers he had been in the Tulsa area monitoring the candidate for roughly one to two weeks on behalf of Taylor's campaign. The man went further, describing his job as the documentation and recording of Bartlett's comings and goings, but said he was unaware he was doing anything wrong. Officers also found a camera tripod, according to the report, but found no other device pointing to surveillance. He said the camera was used for general events. The man was not arrested.
Kathy Taylor released the following statement Monday afternoon regarding the incident: As the police noted, our young campaign intern was doing absolutely nothing of concern and was completely legal. He was honest when asked what he was doing. If Ms. Brown felt concerned, I certainly empathize with that and of course apologize if we contributed to that concern. I do understand with the increase in crime in our city, that we must all be aware of our surroundings and I thank her for bringing this concern to my attention and to our police. I hope for the next eight days of this campaign, we talk about the issues facing Tulsa families—how we get back to the basics to make this a safe city that is transparent and accountable to Tulsans.
Bartlett's office could be immediately be reached for comment. The campaign has grown increasingly tense in recent days as the Nov. 12 election nears. Tulsa police announced last week the department had begun an investigation into an apparent threat against Taylor. Bartlett's camp later said the mayor had also received numerous threats.
http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/campaign-intern-for-tulsa-mayoral-candidate-kathy-taylor-says-hes-following-dewey-bartlett
Quote from: RecycleMichael on November 04, 2013, 06:26:37 PM
Improbable.
In the June primary Bartlett got 34% to Taylor 42%.
Surely Bartlett will get some of the 23% that supported Christiansen to vote for him.
The numbers from June were 24,495 for Taylor, 19,937 for Bartlett, and 13,476 for Christiansen for 57,908 total. Half of that is 28,954.
In theory, Bartlett needs 9,017 of the 13,476 Christiansen voters. That is almost exactly two thirds of them (66.9%).
Of course, many different people might be voting in November compared to June, especially with the sales tax and the bond issue on the ballot.
I'm curious what Christiansen's vehement anti-endorsement did to those followers though? Undoubtedly, there are "anyone but Kathy" voters who voted for Christiansen and may end up voting for Bartlet (sic). They could just as easily stay home out of disgust if they were also "anyone but Dooey" voters.
I still think she has the edge. Anyone who has lived in Tulsa the last eight years can make an honest appraisal of their two styles: Taylor is very type A, very hands-on vs. aloof and laid back. Kathy has vision, Dooey has stuff. Most certainly much of the current Brady and Blue Dome development is the result of principals she brought to the table to help make it happen. Kaiser?? Hellooo??
It really does bother me that after Taylor left office that Plani-Tulsa basically died under the current admin.
Christiansen had loyal followers. They believed in him in part because he was the anti-establishment candidate. He ran as an outsider. I knew more than a few of his supporters who really worked hard because he represented exactly what they believed.
He told us he was simply at Bartlett's house waiting to see where his next public event would be, not to intimidate or stalk.
http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Mayor-Bartlett-says-Kathy-Taylor-campaign-worker/vFLW4-JN4EWYmSPZe4J61Q.cspx
...because Bartlett's public events are so super-secret not even the public knows where they are?
Quote from: patric on November 05, 2013, 12:16:52 AM
He told us he was simply at Bartlett's house waiting to see where his next public event would be, not to intimidate or stalk.
http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Mayor-Bartlett-says-Kathy-Taylor-campaign-worker/vFLW4-JN4EWYmSPZe4J61Q.cspx
...because Bartlett's public events are so super-secret not even the public knows where they are?
Just look for fire coming from someone's pants. You'll find him then...
Tactics like this make running for office very unattractive to good candidates.
Really a shame.
Quote from: Gaspar on November 05, 2013, 08:06:30 AM
Tactics like this make running for office very unattractive to good candidates.
Really a shame.
Like who? Which candidates have been too above board for this tactic?
Personally I find the actions of that intern distasteful to say the least. This entire race has served to remind people more of how ruthless Taylor can seem more than to remind them what she can accomplish in office. I think these tactics will hurt her in the election, but I still see her eking out a win just because of who her opponent is.
Quote from: sauerkraut on November 02, 2013, 02:39:44 PM
I hope it's Taylor, Dewy is a scatter brain and has not a clue what he's doing. Our road construction is a serious mess, the trash system mess, the American Airlines boondoggle, and Dewys pro- tax on everything. Dewy did not earn a 2nd term... I'm not a liberal I am a "T" Party Sarah Palin type of conservative and I'm mad. I hope with Taylor at least this city-wide road construction mess will clear up. :-X
What? You mean the whole tear them up all at the same time plan isn't a good one? ;)
Quote from: carltonplace on November 05, 2013, 10:13:44 AM
Personally I find the actions of that intern distasteful to say the least. This entire race has served to remind people more of how ruthless Taylor can seem more than to remind them what she can accomplish in office. I think these tactics will hurt her in the election, but I still see her eking out a win just because of who her opponent is.
This latest ploy to use a campaign worker to follow Bartlett was foolhardy. I question her wisdom. At some point, someone had to tell her this was a good idea. She is a businesswoman. Cost vs Benefits should rule her decisionmaking. To not have seen the overwhelming negative impact of this move should someone in a neighborhood watch program call the police gives me pause. It may be common in the business world, and legal too, but smells funny to the public.
At least its late in the campaign and likely not to be widely known.
Quote from: AquaMan on November 05, 2013, 11:22:49 AM
This latest ploy to use a campaign worker to follow Bartlett was foolhardy. I question her wisdom. At some point, someone had to tell her this was a good idea. She is a businesswoman. Cost vs Benefits should rule her decisionmaking. To not have seen the overwhelming negative impact of this move should someone in a neighborhood watch program call the police gives me pause. It may be common in the business world, and legal too, but smells funny to the public.
At least its late in the campaign and likely not to be widely known.
Kid is Jack Hardwick, he used to be the Special Assistant to State Senator John Sparks. His best friend is the field director for Tilley & Nichols, a Democratic Political Consulting firm out of OKC, and runs a non-profit called the Bennett Foundation which is basically a grass roots OFA campus outreach instrument at OU.
Wouldn't be surprised if Hardwick's actions were part of a larger strategy emanating from outside of Kathy Taylor's wheel-house. He wasn't living in Tulsa, meaning he was commuting to execute surveillance. You would think that if KT wanted someone to surveil Bartlett, she would choose either an experienced PI or a trusted local member of her staff who wouldn't be so out-of-place.
It was smart for KT to immediately take credit for this kids actions, because that presented a far better damage control scenario than exposing a possible invisible hand that could be tied to OFA or Tilley & Nichols.
This was timed. Bartlett knew this kid had been watching him and his family for quite some time, and that leads me to believe that there are some other things that Bartlett may be sitting on.
You think Dewey was having a meeting with the Toronto Mayor?
Quote from: carltonplace on November 05, 2013, 01:40:17 PM
You think Dewey was having a meeting with the Toronto Mayor?
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Dear God, why did you have to take Chris Farley from us before he had an opportunity to play Mayor Ford?
Quote from: Gaspar on November 05, 2013, 01:28:12 PM
Kid is Jack Hardwick, he used to be the Special Assistant to State Senator John Sparks. His best friend is the field director for Tilley & Nichols, a Democratic Political Consulting firm out of OKC, and runs a non-profit called the Bennett Foundation which is basically a grass roots OFA campus outreach instrument at OU.
TPD took his word for it, because he produced no ID or drivers license when they approached him:
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/griffin/NEWSon6/PDF/1310/Taylor_Tracker.pdf
They just checked the info he verbally gave them against a DL on file, and that was suffifient.
No talk of busting him for vagrancy, or who was driving the BMW he was in actual physical control of.
EDIT: The police report also mentions the encounter was recorded on their dashcam, which is public record.
Quote from: patric on November 06, 2013, 11:00:33 AM
TPD took his word for it, because he produced no ID or drivers license when they approached him:
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/griffin/NEWSon6/PDF/1310/Taylor_Tracker.pdf
They just checked the info he verbally gave them against a DL on file, and that was suffifient.
No talk of busting him for vagrancy, or who was driving the BMW he was in actual physical control of.
In order to be arrested for vagrancy he would have to exhibit a lack of "lawful purpose" for being parked there. His "purpose" was lawful and well stated. He was posted there to track and observe Dewey Bartlett.
Now, the ethics of such an action fall on the shoulders of the Kathy Taylor campaign, but she has already stated that she sees nothing unethical in posting surveillance through proxy at the private residences of those who oppose her. Case closed!
It seems she exhibits far more cunning than Mayor Bartlett, and that may indeed deliver her the election. It also seems that she has strong covert support that extends all the way to Washington. I doubt Bartlett has such powerful friends.
Quote from: Gaspar on November 06, 2013, 01:06:48 PM
It seems she exhibits far more cunning than Mayor Bartlett, and that may indeed deliver her the election. It also seems that she has strong covert support that extends all the way to Washington. I doubt Bartlett has such powerful friends.
Um, doesn't he run an oil company? Those normally have pretty powerful associates in state and federal government.
Bill Christiansen just endorsed Kathy Taylor.
I think a couple of powerful Washington type politicos came to visit and lend support to Bartlett during the campaign.
Covert surveillance is part of business. You watch your competitors closely, you shop their stores, buy their products and occasionally tail them. Even as an ad rep for the newspaper I watched and listened. This is no big deal for Taylor or Bartlett. It is a big deal to those who thought this was a rather slow moving, non partisan, po-dunk election where such practices might not be necessary.
She is a competitor and so is he. Wouldn't doubt he is, or wished he had been, doing the same thing.
Quote from: AngieBrumley on November 06, 2013, 01:25:01 PM
Bill Christiansen just endorsed Kathy Taylor.
I heard the press conference. I just don't see his endorsement delivering voters in droves to her doorstep.
Quote from: Conan71 on November 06, 2013, 03:09:24 PM
I heard the press conference. I just don't see his endorsement delivering voters in droves to her doorstep.
Whoever she had following him must have gotten something good. :D
Quote from: Conan71 on November 06, 2013, 03:09:24 PM
I heard the press conference. I just don't see his endorsement delivering voters in droves to her doorstep.
I don't know. It is difficult to know how much weight endorsements from losing candidates carry. But Christiansen was pretty upset with Dewey. His comments were very pointed and detailed. He brought up Dewey's much larger budgets and said he was no fiscal conservative. He brought up Dewey's refusal to speak to the council about the budget shortfalls and said he was hiding till after the election. Christiansen finished by saying that no elected official who ever worked with Dewey has endorsed him. No councilor from the early days and no councilor from the last two groups of councilors including the current group had endorsed him. He said that Dewey wasn't likeable or trusted.
That had to leave a mark.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on November 06, 2013, 03:35:56 PM
I don't know. It is difficult to know how much weight endorsements from losing candidates carry. But Christiansen was pretty upset with Dewey. His comments were very pointed and detailed. He brought up Dewey's much larger budgets and said he was no fiscal conservative. He brought up Dewey's refusal to speak to the council about the budget shortfalls and said he was hiding till after the election. Christiansen finished by saying that no elected official who ever worked with Dewey has endorsed him. No councilor from the early days and no councilor from the last two groups of councilors including the current group had endorsed him. He said that Dewey wasn't likeable or trusted.
That had to leave a mark.
I know this is about four years late but...
....I voted for Adelson. ;D
Quote from: RecycleMichael on November 06, 2013, 03:35:56 PM
I don't know. It is difficult to know how much weight endorsements from losing candidates carry. But Christiansen was pretty upset with Dewey. His comments were very pointed and detailed. He brought up Dewey's much larger budgets and said he was no fiscal conservative. He brought up Dewey's refusal to speak to the council about the budget shortfalls and said he was hiding till after the election. Christiansen finished by saying that no elected official who ever worked with Dewey has endorsed him. No councilor from the early days and no councilor from the last two groups of councilors including the current group had endorsed him. He said that Dewey wasn't likeable or trusted.
That had to leave a mark.
Ouch! Some one get Dewey a towel. . .better yet. . .
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Quote from: Gaspar on November 06, 2013, 03:49:29 PM
Ouch! Some one get Dewey a towel. . .better yet. . .
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Don't disparage the Sham-Wow!! I have some and they WORK!!! Unlike Bartlett.....
I have seen plenty of people focused solely on a need to vote for a conservative. Bill was the conservative candidate and he is leading a charge that Dewey isn't the conservative choice, he'll bring a few with him.
A few hundred here and a few hundred there, does a Mayor make.
Quote from: sgrizzle on November 06, 2013, 08:48:11 PM
I have seen plenty of people focused solely on a need to vote for a conservative. Bill was the conservative candidate and he is leading a charge that Dewey isn't the conservative choice, he'll bring a few with him.
OTOH, selling out is selling out. Some of his followers... wont.
Today I learned that Kathy Taylor is an unabashed abortionist and that somehow apparently matters in a mayoral race. ::)
As a newcomer, I just look to the streets, growth, news. Downtown is doing better it seems to me. I am lacking knowledge of why but it seems to lean towards Kathy. The streets you know suck. Why can we not make people pick-up their trash? I can't get over it. There are laws. Why are they not enforced under the current mayor?
Hey, anyone up for a trip to Demings, Arizona. I hear WalMart has a special on finger potatoes.
Quote from: MyDogHunts on November 08, 2013, 05:37:00 PM
Hey, anyone up for a trip to Demings, Arizona.
I am not up for a trip but where is Demings, AZ? When I type it into Google Maps, it only shows Deming, NM.
My prediction is Taylor winz! I also hope the props all go down the last thing we need is more street work, can hardly drive a mile without seeing some sort of road work- what frosts me is roads that really need work are not fixed- example: the ramp from I-44 westbound to highway 75 northbound, that ramp has a big bump and chuck hole there for at least a year, So they know how to tear up the intersection of Memorial & Admiral and rebuild it same way without even adding any extra lanes (there never was any street problem there) and then while that intersection is torn up they move on to Mingo & Admiral and tear that up, the side streets west of Sheriton have been torn up for well over 2 years... They re-do a street then tear it up to put in new water mains. >:(
Quote from: Conan71 on November 06, 2013, 03:09:24 PM
I heard the press conference. I just don't see his endorsement delivering voters in droves to her doorstep.
Christensen better hope she wins.
Time for me to predict.
First of all, let me say that this is an almost impossible race for a democrat to win. We are simply a republican state and city.
All the statewide elected officials are republican. The Governor, Lt. Governor, Treasurer, Auditor, Attorney General, and secretaries of Education Labor and Insurance are all republican. All six of the Congressmen and both Senators are republican. There are ten state Senators representing Tulsa County and nine are republican. There are 21 state representative representing Tulsa County and sixteen are republicans. Two of the three County Commissioners are republicans as is the County Sheriff. Every person who ran for a judge position last election was a registered republican. Seven of the nine City Councilors representing Tulsa are republican as is the current City Auditor.
Of course you remember that even though Obama won the presidency, every single county in Oklahoma voted for Romney
How can a democrat win in the reddest state and probably the reddest city? I say it is almost impossible.
This race was supposed to be non-partisan but the Tulsa World has put the party affiliation in virtually every story. Bartlett's campaign has tried to connect Taylor with Obama in multiple TV, radio ads and mailers. It was obviously smart to shove party affiliation in the most partisan way to a most partisan audience. The newspaper revealed that Taylor had actually given more money to GW Bush than she had to Obama, but the story appeared on the least read day of the week and was quickly dropped.
This race should not have been partisan. The problems and solutions are not republican or democrat. Potholes and police bear no party affiliation and shouldn't. I have studied city hall most of my life (my mother was the city hall reporter for the Tulsa World when I was growing up and my wife covered city hall when we met twenty years ago). I can't remember a single council or commission decision that started out as partisan.
Enough of my whining.
My prediction is that Taylor wins by the slimmest of margins. She had the best staff (disclaimer that it included my wife), spent the most money, and did the better job at every debate.
This election cycle went on too long. I predict it goes on as long as possible and makes it impossible to predict a winner until late into the evening. Taylor 50.1% and Bartlett 49.9%.
Someone on Facebook cited a poll that showed Bartlet (sic) had an 11 point lead on Taylor. His thinking was that stalkergate was the reason for the sudden surge for Dooey.
It's on the internet so it has to be true.
The local Tulsa lack-of-newspaper showed Dooby with an 11% lead in some poll on Sunday. Geez.... do we just not learn anything, ever, in this state/city/county??
Quote from: Conan71 on November 11, 2013, 09:32:05 AM
Someone on Facebook cited a poll that showed Bartlet (sic) had an 11 point lead on Taylor. His thinking was that stalkergate was the reason for the sudden surge for Dooey.
It's on the internet so it has to be true.
In fact, it is on the internet:
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/griffin/NEWSon6/PDF/1310/Taylor_Tracker.pdf (Stalker with no ID, oh, that's ok, you work for...)
Bartlett should loose the election for his role in the Occupy Tulsa fiasco, but the alternative would be replacing him with someone much worse.
I am friends with Sooner Pollster Bill Shapard Jr. and sometimes he is accurate. But he is sometimes stunningly wrong. It must be the nature of pollsters.
Last November, he and the Tulsa World said that Vision2 would pass with 58% for, 31% against and 11% undecided. The final vote was 56% against, and 44% for.
56% against and he said 31% against.
He missed it by that much.
Really no dog in this hunt, but based on poll #s and the young man I talked to today who was canvasing for Taylor in my neighborhood.
59% Dewey
Well, as much as I dislike Jim Inhofe, it is sad his son died in that plane crash in Owasso on Sunday. Condolences to the family.
Regular lurker, almost never post. But I am interested enough to chime in with my (mostly worthless) two cents. I think that Taylor's fans overemphasize the strength (which is admittedly large) in midtown and choose to ignore the fact that for most folks in south Tulsa and for the folks who don't care too much about downtown, she is not particularly well liked. That said, I think that for many voters in Tulsa this is a total tossup, with many trying to parse through the mostly mediocre ads to try to determine who will be the lesser of two evils. I don't have a dog in this hunt, and am not particularly sold on either. I think that RecycleMichael is absolutely right about the difficulty a democrat will have in the near future winning much of anything in Oklahoma. For the moment, it's just the way it is. If ever there was a race and if ever there was a candidate, it was this one with Kathy Taylor. I just don't think that she can overcome the simple math. I don't think the Tulsa World/Sooner Poll numbers are anywhere close, though, as I can't fathom an 11 point win for Dewey. I think that he wins it 53-47, with conservative Republicans grudgingly pushing Dewey over the top. I don't think KT's intern, nor the response to that situation from the campaign, helped her at all with undecideds. I predict that Dewey wins tomorrow night, and GT Bynum's campaign starts shortly after...
Dewey's claim that he should be re-elected for the sake of consistency is laughable. Why can't he dooey better than that?
The Taylor canvassers were out in our neighborhood in force yesterday. Several vehicles with several kids going house to house. I talked to one of the 20somthings handing out signs and cards for KT. Young blond kid who had no idea how to sell the candidate. I asked him to tell me about Kathy Taylor's platform, and he read off of the door hanger and tried to explain how Dewey should loose because he "Didn't know about the trash." I asked him "what" he didn't know about the trash, and he gave me a deer-in-the-headlights look. I think he wanted to run. "Um, they burned it." At that point it was time for him to leave.
This morning driving through the hood to work, I didn't see a single KT sign. Lots of Dewey and KathyQuit.com signs but no KT, so I guess they weren't really successful with the Southies.
I had the same experience with a Dewey door hangar at my mom's house. She could not give me details about her candidate's platform and she was clearly just charged with getting the material onto the door knobs.
Quote from: Gaspar on November 12, 2013, 08:23:33 AM
The Taylor canvassers were out in our neighborhood in force yesterday. Several vehicles with several kids going house to house. I talked to one of the 20somthings handing out signs and cards for KT. Young blond kid who had no idea how to sell the candidate. I asked him to tell me about Kathy Taylor's platform, and he read off of the door hanger and tried to explain how Dewey should loose because he "Didn't know about the trash." I asked him "what" he didn't know about the trash, and he gave me a deer-in-the-headlights look. I think he wanted to run. "Um, they burned it." At that point it was time for him to leave.
This morning driving through the hood to work, I didn't see a single KT sign. Lots of Dewey and KathyQuit.com signs but no KT, so I guess they weren't really successful with the Southies.
Kathy campaign won't allow you to put signs in the right-of-way so you should only see Dewey signs illegally installed.
Quote from: sgrizzle on November 12, 2013, 08:37:09 AM
Kathy campaign won't allow you to put signs in the right-of-way so you should only see Dewey signs illegally installed.
Down by my office on about 66th & Sheridan there is a Dewey sign in the right-of-way in front of a polling place right next to the "Vote Here" sign. . . almost touching it. :D
How many of you solid Republican Conservatives did I see at the Veteran's Parade yesterday? The Marine contingent was pretty wild, the Shriners were crazy, and the Memorial, Webster and McClain bands were great. Broken Arrow band was good too... clean, straight and traditional. No Southie bands. It was pretty fun and interesting to watch the crowd and the special guests on the reviewing stand. I really think Kathy and Dewey genuinely dislike each other. They passed within inches and didn't even make eye contact.
Dewey invited his good pal Brightenstein who came in a badge filled flight jacket. Upon close inspection they weren't badges earned in the field. Mostly veterans organizations and supporters. They were the darlings of the old vets.
Kathy made her way down to the crowds around the reviewing stand to talk with the numerous school children and non celebrity voters. They loved her. It was pretty telling actually. Dewey and 'Stein didn't even look at the crowd. Some pretty weird people in the crowd too. Made me wonder about security.
I'll stick with my 50.7 for KT even though RM pulled a "price is right" strategy by subtracting a few tenths percent. I still predict a low turnout (weather and campaign fatigue) and surprisingly, a slim win for the propositions.
Quote from: AquaMan on November 12, 2013, 10:40:26 AM
How many of you solid Republican Conservatives did I see at the Veteran's Parade yesterday? The Marine contingent was pretty wild, the Shriners were crazy, and the Memorial, Webster and McClain bands were great. Broken Arrow band was good too... clean, straight and traditional. No Southie bands. It was pretty fun and interesting to watch the crowd and the special guests on the reviewing stand. I really think Kathy and Dewey genuinely dislike each other. They passed within inches and didn't even make eye contact.
Dewey invited his good pal Brightenstein who came in a badge filled flight jacket. Upon close inspection they weren't badges earned in the field. Mostly veterans organizations and supporters. They were the darlings of the old vets.
Kathy made her way down to the crowds around the reviewing stand to talk with the numerous school children and non celebrity voters. They loved her. It was pretty telling actually. Dewey and 'Stein didn't even look at the crowd. Some pretty weird people in the crowd too. Made me wonder about security.
I'll stick with my 50.7 for KT even though RM pulled a "price is right" strategy by subtracting a few tenths percent. I still predict a low turnout (weather and campaign fatigue) and surprisingly, a slim win for the propositions.
Big support for the propositions out south for most Republicans and the Democrat (at least from the people I've talked to). Very good size turnout at my polling place. I hadn't expected to stand in line. Not much KT support out here, so I don't think she will pull many Southie votes.
Quote from: Gaspar on November 12, 2013, 10:56:02 AM
Not much KT support out here, so I don't think she will pull many Southie votes.
I guess we can call Dooey the big box & sprawl mayor and Kathy the urban visionary.
Quote from: Conan71 on November 12, 2013, 11:11:52 AM
I guess we can call Dooey the big box & sprawl mayor and Kathy the urban visionary.
Probably accurate.
I cannot wait until this is over. Sick of the damned commercials.
Quote from: guido911 on November 12, 2013, 06:17:57 PM
Sick of the damned commercials.
It was a good time to work in the TV and radio advertising business.
Looks like they're calling the race for Dewey.
With 114 of 186 precincts reporting, he leads 53.3% to 46.7%.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on November 12, 2013, 06:42:59 PM
It was a good time to work in the TV and radio advertising business.
You got that right. I happened to see that Taylor conceded with what I thought was 60% vote in and down only 3K. Is that premature?
Quote from: Nik on November 12, 2013, 08:25:56 PM
Looks like they're calling the race for Dewey.
With 114 of 186 precincts reporting, he leads 53.3% to 46.7%.
Too delicious!
Quote from: LocalGirl on November 12, 2013, 08:31:11 PM
Too delicious!
Tell your dad we are really happy for him.
Quote from: Conan71 on November 12, 2013, 11:11:52 AM
I guess we can call Dooey the big box & sprawl mayor WINNER and Kathy the urban visionary LOSER.
Fixed it. Biggest loser Christensen?
It wasn't even close....
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FAoSEibLA0g/TGlviYo68jI/AAAAAAAABdM/RU8VKS0n9f8/s1600/128783305950481573.jpg)
Anyway, time for the post mortem. What went wrong for Taylor?
Money can't by you love.....
I rode the bus from Midtown to the Dome. I took the moment to ask the dozen people aboard if the voted. None had. Then I went to have some BBQ.
Quote from: guido911 on November 12, 2013, 10:41:06 PM
It wasn't even close....
Anyway, time for the post mortem. What went wrong for Taylor?
Typical Tulsa.
Specifically; no particular vision other than a wish to grab the next bigbox. Can't see or imagine "outside the (big?) box"...
Oh, well...4 more years of no, or very low, leadership.
But on a lighter note - they have found 17 vehicles in the McClellan-Kerr navigation channel out east. They are being pulled out later this week...
I don't know what "went wrong" per Taylor. Probably a dozen things, many not of her making or control.
Moving forward I see the only way to make progress on the things I would like to see happen in the city is by doing them step by tiny step, piece by piece. We are just going to have to push our way forward bit by bit.
Whenever we try to do something large scale, even if it isn't by other cities standards lol, we get too much push back and lose.
You can make a big splash by tossing in a large boulder or by tossing in a lot of coordinated pebbles.
It's not how we get it done, who gets it done, or who is in charge in this instance. It's about moving towards our goals. We can still get there despite things being more difficult now.
But all you can do is, buckle down and get to work to try and make things better.
In the end, I believe that having good urban development would be good for our city. Though our current mayor is against that, we can still feel good that we are pushing for what is right and try to make a positive difference in our tiny spot of the world.
Over a Month ago. I started thinking. What the Hell is she doing? In my opinion she had him beat. My thought was just stand back and let Dewey be Dewey. Let the man implode on his own.
Then the negative ads start to hit the airways. And not just a little. It was everywhere. Whoever her campaign manager was, has no clue how to win a election.
Three Million Dollars spent to make her look like a media bully. If anything it made people start feeling sorry for little picked on Dookie.
She just could not seem to get out of her own way and let people decide on what they already knew.
I think she would have saved a lot of money, and would be starting a new job December 9th. If her approach would have been more positive.
Quote from: LocalGirl on November 12, 2013, 08:31:11 PM
Too delicious!
Not sure "delicious" is a term I would use when referring to Dewey. :P
Quote from: DolfanBob on November 13, 2013, 08:25:41 AM
Over a Month ago. I started thinking. What the Hell is she doing? In my opinion she had him beat. My thought was just stand back and let Dewey be Dewey. Let the man implode on his own.
Then the negative ads start to hit the airways. And not just a little. It was everywhere. Whoever her campaign manager was, has no clue how to win a election.
Three Million Dollars spent to make her look like a media bully. If anything it made people start feeling sorry for little picked on Dookie.
She just could not seem to get out of her own way and let people decide on what they already knew.
I think she would have saved a lot of money, and would be starting a new job December 9th. If her approach would have been more positive.
I kinda thought the same thing about the negative ads and Bartlett being picked on. Then, sore loser Christensen piled on towards the end. But what about the allegations that some one was "tailing" Bartlett . None of this really matters to me because I do not live in Tulsa.
Quote from: DolfanBob on November 13, 2013, 08:25:41 AM
Over a Month ago. I started thinking. What the Hell is she doing? In my opinion she had him beat. My thought was just stand back and let Dewey be Dewey. Let the man implode on his own.
Then the negative ads start to hit the airways. And not just a little. It was everywhere. Whoever her campaign manager was, has no clue how to win a election.
Three Million Dollars spent to make her look like a media bully. If anything it made people start feeling sorry for little picked on Dookie.
She just could not seem to get out of her own way and let people decide on what they already knew.
I think she would have saved a lot of money, and would be starting a new job December 9th. If her approach would have been more positive.
And it wasn't just that. Daily calls I was getting from her campaign after I explicitly told them to stop were irritating in the last week. What was more irritating was that the numbers would show up from different locales on my CID (Bartlesville, Tahlequah..and yesterday afternoon...yes, yesterday, I got one from McAlester).
She was too aggressive and too negative. Not negative enough for me to not vote, but in this instance, it almost felt like voting the lesser of two evils. You know, kinda like a national election.
Quote from: AngieBrumley on November 13, 2013, 08:26:38 AM
Not sure "delicious" is a term I would use when referring to Dewey. :P
Maybe "En Fuego"?
Quote from: Hoss on November 13, 2013, 08:52:49 AM
And it wasn't just that. Daily calls I was getting from her campaign after I explicitly told them to stop were irritating in the last week. What was more irritating was that the numbers would show up from different locales on my CID (Bartlesville, Tahlequah..and yesterday afternoon...yes, yesterday, I got one from McAlester).
She was too aggressive and too negative. Not negative enough for me to not vote, but in this instance, it almost felt like voting the lesser of two evils. You know, kinda like a national election.
We got 3 back to back yesterday evening from McAlester.
Quote from: AngieBrumley on November 13, 2013, 08:26:38 AM
Not sure "delicious" is a term I would use when referring to Dewey. :P
Stick with "winner" then. It's easier to say. :o
Quote from: DolfanBob on November 13, 2013, 08:25:41 AM
Over a Month ago. I started thinking. What the Hell is she doing? In my opinion she had him beat. My thought was just stand back and let Dewey be Dewey. Let the man implode on his own.
Then the negative ads start to hit the airways. And not just a little. It was everywhere. Whoever her campaign manager was, has no clue how to win a election.
Three Million Dollars spent to make her look like a media bully. If anything it made people start feeling sorry for little picked on Dookie.
She just could not seem to get out of her own way and let people decide on what they already knew.
I think she would have saved a lot of money, and would be starting a new job December 9th. If her approach would have been more positive.
I 100% agree, she came off as a bully. There are still people who are put off by strongly driven women. She came off as just plain mean at times and I suspect "tailgate" didn't help her either. People started to question why she was being so aggressive and spending so much for a job she wasn't going to accept a paycheck for.
All she needed to do was point to specific things Tulsa now enjoys due to either her accomplishments while in office or plans put into motion which were completed after she left office and simply rebut any claims by the Bartlet (sic) campaign which were inaccurate. I'm truly disappointed to not have her vision going forward. Dewey is a dullard.
Quote from: Gaspar on November 13, 2013, 09:13:48 AM
We got 3 back to back yesterday evening from McAlester.
Land line? I never get robo calls, but MC and I don't have a land line either.
Quote from: Conan71 on November 13, 2013, 09:19:25 AM
Land line? I never get robo calls, but MC and I don't have a land line either.
Job killer. I bet you don't mail letters either.......lol. Just kidding ;D
Quote from: DolfanBob on November 13, 2013, 09:27:13 AM
Job killer. I bet you don't mail letters either.......lol. Just kidding ;D
Yeah I know. I rarely mail letters, and I rarely ever write checks anymore.
Quote from: Conan71 on November 13, 2013, 09:19:25 AM
Land line? I never get robo calls, but MC and I don’t have a land line either.
Have a land line specifically because E911 needs it to be 100 percent accurate. Cell phones can't do it. If something were to happen with Mom when I was was away and she couldn't speak, the peace of mind a land line gives me for them getting to her promptly is worth the extra money
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Quote from: RecycleMichael on November 11, 2013, 10:54:06 AM
I am friends with Sooner Pollster Bill Shapard Jr. and sometimes he is accurate. But he is sometimes stunningly wrong. It must be the nature of pollsters.
Last November, he and the Tulsa World said that Vision2 would pass with 58% for, 31% against and 11% undecided. The final vote was 56% against, and 44% for.
56% against and he said 31% against.
He missed it by that much.
Looks like he pretty much nailed this one.
Is it too late to change my prediction?
Quote from: Conan71 on November 13, 2013, 11:45:23 AM
Is it too late to change my prediction?
This is still a prediction thread.
I think some are overstating the headwind effect against Taylor of her being the "Democrat" in the race. While at a disadvantage in voter registration, Democrats have won more Tulsa mayoral races over the past 30 years than Republicans. Taylor won as a Democrat only eight years ago.
Taylor's best chance at winning this race was to win outright last summer when it was a three-way race. Once she failed to win it then, it was always going to be difficult for her to pull it off and she has been trailing in the polls since late summer.
Here is my take on why Taylor lost:
She had a record. Unlike her defeat of LaFortune, Taylor had a record that could be and was used against her. Second, and related, her message did not match her record. "Back to Basics" did not make much sense when you look at what she did when she was mayor. She bought a new City Hall and built Oneok Field. Like those decisions are not, they are not city "basics" in most people's mind. She did not explain why she would be different this time.
Third, for all the money she spent ($3.3 million as of several weeks ago), she never presented a clear message in her ads of what she wanted to do. Putting the city budget on-line is not an energizing message for voters. Having a plan on your website it fine, but her media message needed a concise summary of the highlights of her plan. After an 8 month campaign, I still don't have a grasp of why she wanted to be mayor or what she was going to do - other than put the budget on line.
Fourth, I think the message she quit on Tulsa resonated with a lot of voters. Given the timing of her announcement she was running and then that she was not running relative to the status of the economy and recession in 2009, it was not much of a leap for many voters to conclude that she quit last time in the face of adversity. In politics, being perceived a quitter is very difficult to overcome.
The main event turned out almost exactly like the primary. Seems like Bill Christiansen's supporters lined up behind Dewey.
Quote from: carltonplace on November 13, 2013, 12:50:26 PM
The main event turned out almost exactly like the primary. Seems like Bill Christiansen's supporters lined up behind Dewey.
Bill no longer has much support among the Southies that I know. Most people see him as someone who served on behalf of his own business interests. Because of that, I think folks viewed his cosy up to Taylor as being more connected to some back-room promise than any real outrage towards Dewey. I'm sure there was probably a bridge location involved. ;)
Any future political aspirations that Christiansen may have had are now toast. Any Republican opponent would use his support of Taylor against him. I'm assuming he's done with office seeking since he didn't win this time. He's a successful businessman, I honestly can't understand why he would want the flagellation that comes along with political service.
Quote from: Conan71 on November 13, 2013, 02:08:51 PM
Any future political aspirations that Christiansen may have had are now toast. Any Republican opponent would use his support of Taylor against him. I'm assuming he's done with office seeking since he didn't win this time. He's a successful businessman, I honestly can't understand why he would want the flagellation that comes along with political service.
Bridge!
Quote from: AngieBrumley on November 13, 2013, 08:26:38 AM
Not sure "delicious" is a term I would use when referring to Dewey. :P
No, not Dooey. I didn't support anyone in this general election; My vote was in
opposition. The win is actually pretty sad. It's the defeat - by TEN POINTS no less - that's sooo delicious.
Krazy Kathy blamed the weather.....!!
Quote from: DTowner on November 13, 2013, 12:35:51 PM
In politics, being perceived a quitter is very difficult to overcome.
Sarah Palin has been riding that coattail for years making a living on it.... go figure....
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on November 13, 2013, 05:00:55 PM
Sarah Palin has been riding that coattail for years making a living on it.... go figure....
Quote from: Hoss on November 13, 2013, 05:17:13 PM
As much as I like Tina, she is wrong about one thing - if more people owned guns, there wouldn't be fewer guns in the stores....more will be made and replenish the stores!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on November 13, 2013, 05:00:55 PM
Sarah Palin has been riding that coattail for years making a living on it.... go figure....
Palin = Taylor. Who knew?