Anyone know what is going on at 7th and Main? Escagots is gone and the building has new windows
Quote from: carltonplace on September 14, 2013, 09:26:46 AM
Anyone know what is going on at 7th and Main? Escagots is gone and the building has new windows
It's being converted into lofts
Not just any lofts -- these lofts will have a prime view of block after block of surface parking, thanks to TCC.
Quote from: Markk on September 14, 2013, 12:55:23 PM
Not just any lofts -- these lofts will have a prime view of block after block of surface parking, thanks to TCC.
Not just any city can do that.
;D
To be fair, the city enabled them. It takes a village (mentality) to flatten a city.
Quote from: AquaMan on September 14, 2013, 08:42:30 PM
To be fair, the city enabled them. It takes a village (mentality) to flatten a city.
Or a Tulsasaurus.
Ed, did you let that guy out again?
;D
I'm optimistic the lots will be developed. Whether that's 5 years from now or 20 years is hard to say. The pace of downtown growth being what it is I would probably say 10 years. There are still large parking lots in areas with more going on (Blue Dome, Brady, BOK Center) that will likely be developed first, and of course still many empty buildings that can be converted from Class C office space to apartments (including several in the vicinity of 7th & Main). I think it will take a large-scale development that encompasses several of these lots to make it happen.
I would like to see something mostly residential with some mixed-use along key streets (Main, Boulder) with varied styles, like what used to be there before it was all torn down during Urban Renewal. And something that creates a square/plaza on the east side of Holy Family should be required. Something like this:
(http://www.saundersci.com/files/portfolio/Commons-EntryUse.jpg)
(http://www.stewart.com/spotlights/vol37/images/one-city-block1.jpg)
Great idea. ^
Anyone have $30 mil to make it sew?
Quote from: BKDotCom on September 16, 2013, 10:18:24 AM
Anyone have $30 mil to make it sew?
Chump change....Hold on, I got it right here in my pocket.
OOPS! sorry. That's where I keep my dreams.
This photo is from a few days ago
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3OWIHtgTh88/UjR9erCi78I/AAAAAAAAAWI/woCS7MluxvY/w548-h731-no/DSC_0010.jpg)
Where is this building again?
Quote from: TheArtist on September 16, 2013, 03:29:20 PM
Where is this building again?
8th & Main -> http://goo.gl/maps/ZYahh
I'm hoping the current owners have some inside information about future development in the area.
I'm not deluding myself but I can always hope. Those lots are the hottest part of a walk across downtown.
Quote from: TheArtist on September 16, 2013, 03:29:20 PM
Where is this building again?
Just a little south of your place...and west. You may be able to see it from the street out front of your shop.
Enjoyed the Chalk Festival Saturday. I even sneaked into the shop and looked around a little bit. Really enjoy looking at all the stuff!!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on September 16, 2013, 06:53:38 PM
Just a little south of your place...and west. You may be able to see it from the street out front of your shop.
Enjoyed the Chalk Festival Saturday. I even sneaked into the shop and looked around a little bit. Really enjoy looking at all the stuff!!
Thank You! We had a very good day, it was worth the effort of the event. Bet next years will be even better.
Quote from: carltonplace on September 16, 2013, 03:05:59 PM
This photo is from a few days ago
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3OWIHtgTh88/UjR9erCi78I/AAAAAAAAAWI/woCS7MluxvY/w548-h731-no/DSC_0010.jpg)
Ok, 8th and Main not 7th. From that pic I thought perhaps someone was talking about downtown BA or some small town with a very desolate downtown for there aren't any other buildings in the background. Looks so lonely and forsaken as if its some lone abandoned building along a desert highway. I was like, "surely that's not OUR downtown!". But yes, it's right on the edge of the massive parking crater zone.
Quote from: TheArtist on September 16, 2013, 08:42:11 PM
Ok, 8th and Main not 7th. From that pic I thought perhaps someone was talking about downtown BA or some small town with a very desolate downtown for there aren't any other buildings in the background. Looks so lonely and forsaken as if its some lone abandoned building along a desert highway. I was like, "surely that's not OUR downtown!". But yes, it's right on the edge of the massive parking crater zone.
It does look lonely out there all by itself. It needs some friends. (New buildings)
This is from the Tulsa Deco District's FB. Main Street looking North from about 6th St.
(https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/582345_439465749461908_2014100420_n.jpg)
The Alvin Hotel was on the Southwest corner of 6th and Main, south of the Alvin was the Gem Theater.
(https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/555352_417886568286493_2067686569_n.jpg)
Quote from: carltonplace on September 17, 2013, 08:23:54 AM
This is from the Tulsa Deco District's FB. Main Street looking North from about 6th St.
The Alvin Hotel was on the Southwest corner of 6th and Main, south of the Alvin was the Gem Theater.
Ugh. Parking looks like a nightmare.
Quote from: BKDotCom on September 17, 2013, 11:12:59 AM
Ugh. Parking looks like a nightmare.
I know, right? So glad we have so much more parking now than then, makes for a much more vital and busier downtown. Oh, wait.
Quote from: TheArtist on September 17, 2013, 08:57:03 PM
I know, right? So glad we have so much more parking now than then, makes for a much more vital and busier downtown. Oh, wait.
Progress!!
The pic carltonplace posted confuses me...during Chalk Fest, we walked by the Vandever's building, and I thought it was on 6th. Looks like that pic is pointing east...from just west of Main....?? (Alvin would be just to the right, out of the frame...) But then the shadows are all wrong...
Braniff Bldg!! How many remember Braniff Airlines??
the post card is Main looking North. Notice the McFarlin Building on the right just accross from the Sinclair Building at Bartlett Square.
Here is a closer look at 5th and Main, also looking north
(http://cdm15020.contentdm.oclc.org/utils/getthumbnail/collection/p15020coll1/id/231)
Isn't it better to have an apartment building in the middle of a sea of parking lots than a vacant building in the middle of a sea of parking lots?
While I agree that this little outpost is likely to be lonely for a number of years, Tulsa's downtown development has tended not to follow the path set out by city officials or even those in the know. Whatever else happens or doesn't happen in this area, this is an improvement and should be celebrated as such.
It is awfully lonely but if it sells out all the small apartments at a good rate I think it is a benchmark for other properties. Is this a first of it's type in downtown? I know the Mayo... this is not so fancy.
Quote from: MyDogHunts on October 14, 2013, 12:28:08 PM
It is awfully lonely but if it sells out all the small apartments at a good rate I think it is a benchmark for other properties. Is this a first of it's type in downtown? I know the Mayo... this is not so fancy.
A lot of the rooms for rent places have been blasted out of existence. Mostly they couldn't be upgraded enough to become premium priced places, so they had to go. There were quite a few in that south area of downtown - have had friends that lived in some of those - but
most all of what you see as a parking lot say, south of 7th or so used to be a building of some sort....many two and three story walkups.
Look at Elgin, east side of street - between 6th and 7th...two remaining examples of what there used to be many.
Quote from: MyDogHunts on October 14, 2013, 12:28:08 PM
It is awfully lonely but if it sells out all the small apartments at a good rate I think it is a benchmark for other properties. Is this a first of it's type in downtown? I know the Mayo... this is not so fancy.
There are reasonable rent spaces in downtown (and near downtown).
In Downtown
The Blair, Riverbend, The Renaissance, GreenArch
Near Downtown
University Club along with about a dozen Riverview area apartment buildings and a few apartment buildings in Owen Park and Brady Heights. There are also lots of garage apartment choices. One can easily rent for around a dollar a square foot and be walking/biking distance from Downtown and the river.
What about recent renovation of a building like Harrington's? I know there were some apartments in a building across from the Tavern, but outside of the Art District I can't recall seeing any other older buildings converted to apartments or lofts.
Tulsa does have much beauty. Downtown will continue to bloom. It feels good.
Took one of the grandkids to downtown for his first excursion (2 1/2 years old) this weekend! An amazing time was had by all! He learned a couple of new words - skyscraper was the best...and he says it so well! He may well be a city dweller by the time he gets to that age!
Quote from: MyDogHunts on October 14, 2013, 07:50:08 PM
What about recent renovation of a building like Harrington's? I know there were some apartments in a building across from the Tavern, but outside of the Art District I can't recall seeing any other older buildings converted to apartments or lofts.
Tulsa does have much beauty. Downtown will continue to bloom. It feels good.
Metro Lofts Detroit and Archer (by the ball park)
Tribune Lofts
The Mayo Building and the Mayo Hotel and Philtower in the CBD
The Vandevers building is in the process of being converted
Future lofts in the Tulsa Club, The Enterprise, Bill White, 119 E 5th and First Street Lofts (har-har)
Quote from: carltonplace on October 15, 2013, 07:54:57 AM
Metro Lofts Detroit and Archer (by the ball park)
Tribune Lofts
The Mayo Building and the Mayo Hotel and Philtower in the CBD
The Vandevers building is in the process of being converted
Future lofts in the Tulsa Club, The Enterprise, Bill White, 119 E 5th and First Street Lofts (har-har)
I'm still trying to picture how the Bill White property is ever going to work as lofts. What is going to happen to the decrepit brick buildings on the east side of that lot?
I've been looking at http://tulsapreservationcommission.org/ . Sad so much has been lost. I find it unusual that many buildings do not have National Historic protection downtown. Central Highschool? I guess there is balance between commercial protection (having the building in use, i.e. Churches) and the threat that they might be demolished and gaining protection via the Historic designation.
Philtower is likely out of my price range.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 15, 2013, 09:22:00 AM
I'm still trying to picture how the Bill White property is ever going to work as lofts. What is going to happen to the decrepit brick buildings on the east side of that lot?
So Harrington's would be a benchmark for loft conversion in that part of core downtown, except there is nothing left to convert.