Poll
Question:
My viewpoint is best summarized as such:
Option 1: The street name makes me feel bad. And you should feel bad. It needs changed/fixed/repaired (reparation)
votes: 1
Option 2: If it ain't broke, why fix it
votes: 10
Option 3: The street name is historical (according to an article that doesn't cite any references).. It serves to remind us of dark times.. that we don't hope to repeat
votes: 5
Option 4: The street name is historical (according to an article that doesn't cite any references).. It serves to remind us of dark times.. that we don't hope to repeat... Change the sign.. we'll remember via other methods (I promise) (also reparation)
votes: 1
Option 5: I want the street's name changed for reasons completely unrelated to the controversy
votes: 1
Option 6: I don't care one way or the other (but this sure seems like a waste of time that could be spent on other issues)
votes: 6
teach the controversy
How about adding one that says "Let's move on and spend our time and money on something that will make a difference to us when we wake up tomorrow."
Quote from: Townsend on July 10, 2013, 01:17:33 PM
How about adding one that says "Let's move on and spend our time and money on something that will make a difference to us when we wake up tomorrow."
Option #6 appended with "(but this sure seems like a waste of time that could be spent on other issues)"
I want the street's name changed for reasons completely unrelated to the controversy: Name it after me. I guess now I need to go out and do something dispicable.
Quote from: carltonplace on July 10, 2013, 01:40:49 PM
I want the street's name changed for reasons completely unrelated to the controversy: Name it after me. I guess now I need to go out and do something dispicable.
Daffy Duck despicable? (http://images.free-extras.com/pics/d/daffy_duck-1048.jpg)
Quote from: Townsend on July 10, 2013, 01:43:19 PM
Daffy Duck despicable? (http://images.free-extras.com/pics/d/daffy_duck-1048.jpg)
Not enough slobber in your "despicable"
I didn't vote. I don't know what sign you are talking about. The Brady Theater and the Brady Arts district both have signs, but they have the right to call themselves anything they want.
I am agreeing that the street name could be changed. It is a public street.
If this is all a waste of time, why are all you guys fighting? It seems like the ones opposed to change are the ones wasting time on this. Remember when they changed the name of a stretch of Greenwood to be officially named Gap Band? I don't remember any protests. Why are people so opposed to this name change?
Quote from: RecycleMichael on July 10, 2013, 03:10:48 PM
Remember when they changed the name of a stretch of Greenwood to be officially named Gap Band? I don't remember any protests.
Had no idea. I wish I did. I hated Val Young's guts...with his wee beady eyes.
Quote from: Townsend on July 10, 2013, 03:14:27 PM
Had no idea. I wish I did. I hated Val Young's guts...with his wee beady eyes.
Was Val part of the Pentaverate?
Quote from: Hoss on July 10, 2013, 03:28:15 PM
Was Val part of the Pentaverate?
Not sure...he sprinkled something on my chicken once.
Quote from: Townsend on July 10, 2013, 03:28:52 PM
Not sure...he sprinkled something on my chicken once.
Did it make you crave it fortnightly?
Quote from: RecycleMichael on July 10, 2013, 03:10:48 PM
I didn't vote. I don't know what sign you are talking about. The Brady Theater and the Brady Arts district both have signs, but they have the right to call themselves anything they want.
I am agreeing that the street name could be changed. It is a public street.
If this is all a waste of time, why are all you guys fighting? It seems like the ones opposed to change are the ones wasting time on this. Remember when they changed the name of a stretch of Greenwood to be officially named Gap Band? I don't remember any protests. Why are people so opposed to this name change?
What stretch of Greenwood did they re-name? I don't recall this. I do recall the band being named for three prominent north Tulsa streets: Greenwood, Archer & Pine. Secondly, I don't believe it would have changed the legal mailing address name, much like re-naming Cincinnati "MLK" to the north did not change the official mailing address for those businesses or residents, neither did the nickname of "Cherry St." change merchants addresses on 15th between Peoria and Utica.
One person took it upon himself to start a crusade to change the name of a district and street which would cost others an inconvenience of time and money all so we can pretend Tate Brady never existed. I'll say it again: I'm really weary of people digging to find something to be offended by.
Quote from: Hoss on July 10, 2013, 03:29:56 PM
Did it make you crave it fortnightly?
I woke up in a bathtub full of ice in a place they were calling "The Meadows".
Quote from: RecycleMichael on July 10, 2013, 03:10:48 PM
I didn't vote. I don't know what sign you are talking about. The Brady Theater and the Brady Arts district both have signs, but they have the right to call themselves anything they want.
I am agreeing that the street name could be changed. It is a public street.
If this is all a waste of time, why are all you guys fighting? It seems like the ones opposed to change are the ones wasting time on this. Remember when they changed the name of a stretch of Greenwood to be officially named Gap Band? I don't remember any protests. Why are people so opposed to this name change?
I've made a reparation for you
"sign" is now "street name"
I noticed the street signs saying Gap Band at Pine in front of Carver Middle School.
http://www.bokcenter.com/news/detail/streets-around-bok-center-renamed-in-honor-of-paul-mccartney
Quote
May 16, 2013 (Tulsa, Okla.) – In celebration of Sir Paul McCartney's return to the BOK Center May 29 and 30, several downtown streets surrounding the BOK Center were temporarily renamed in his honor. The street names, representing song titles from the Beatles, include Abbey Road (3rd Street), Penny Lane (Denver Ave.), Blackbird Blvd (1st Street) and All Together Crossing (Frisco).
Oops.
It's definitely well documented that Penny Lane is named after James Penny, an 18th-century slave trader.
Efforts to rename Penny Lane and streets named after slave traders have always been criticized for trying to "airbrush" history.
As an outside observer looking at "Penny Lane"
Should Liverpool and/or England rename it?
Yes, Brady was originally named after someone of questionable repute.. But now the street and district transcend any single person. Changing the name accomplishes nothing.. it would just add pressure and momentum for the Brady theater and the district to rename.
History:
the theater opened in 1914 and was known as "Convention Hall"
1952 : renamed to "Tulsa Municipal Theater"
1977 : Under ownership of Peter Mayo, it was renamed Brady theater (Brady died in 1925)
Quote from: Townsend on July 10, 2013, 03:14:27 PM
Had no idea. I wish I did. I hated Val Young's guts...with his wee beady eyes.
Well, he's a girl, so....
Quote from: BKDotCom on July 10, 2013, 09:07:00 PM
Yes, Brady was originally named after someone of questionable repute.. But now the street and district transcend any single person. Changing the name accomplishes nothing.. it would just add pressure and momentum for the Brady theater and the district to rename.
History:
the theater opened in 1914 and was known as "Convention Hall"
1952 : renamed to "Tulsa Municipal Theater"
1977 : Under ownership of Peter Mayo, it was renamed Brady theater (Brady died in 1925)
The Convention Hall has it's own history as a makeshift prison during the riot.
(http://news.stanford.edu/news/2005/february16/gifs/tulsa_riot.jpg)
I posted essentially the same poll to Reddit
http://www.wepolls.com/p/17342601/How-do-you-feel-about-renaming-Brady-street
It's gotten 57 votes (no way to determine unique users)
It's also been rightfully criticized for the biased options.. I forgot how much sarcasm had worked into our debate at that point.
I thought this was already settled?
And is his new name pick for the Railroad or the Coat Factory?
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Another_name_discovered_for_Brady_Street_could_solve/20130724_11_A1_TateBr635328
I knew about his print publication but not his YouTube channel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qru7d5qBpU&list=PLAEBFED90F38F6F12
If they want to rename the streets then they need to use the official plat map of the city of Tulsa street names which were numbers. Archer should be renamed 1st street and Brady should be renamed 2nd street and so on. Not some bogus and questionable document someone so conveniently found.
Oh good Lord. Now the story has crossed the pond.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2377578/Murky-Ku-Klux-Klan-past-Tulsa-s-founding-father-emerges-shamed-town-considers-overhaul-landmarks-named-him.html