Kathy and Dewey have no ethics.
Voting for Bill is like voting for Obama.
Putting your birthdate on the outside of a postcard is a gross breach of privacy.
I'm learning some fun stuff from the ad campaigns. How about you?
Yep, Enough to know that Christiansen will get my vote when either one of two things happen:
1. Hell freezes over.
2. I become a registered Republican.
Quote from: Hoss on June 03, 2013, 10:45:13 PM
Yep, Enough to know that Christiansen will get my vote when either one of two things happen:
1. Hell freezes over.
2. I become a registered Republican.
(http://www.google.com/imgres?q=hell+froze+over&sa=X&biw=1655&bih=867&tbm=isch&tbnid=gkzogVrhktmj9M:&imgrefurl=http://1funny.com/hell-frozen-over/&docid=JAwxDC5zWn5gDM&imgurl=http://1funny.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Hell_Frozen_Over.jpg&w=535&h=405&ei=M-StUZGDK7i64AOG64CoBQ&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:0,s:0,i:136&iact=rc&dur=1588&page=1&tbnh=177&tbnw=254&start=0&ndsp=26&tx=136&ty=83)
Edit:
I can't see if the image posted here at work.
You people who vote think you are so special.
Quote from: Red Arrow on June 04, 2013, 08:06:39 AM
(http://1funny.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Hell_Frozen_Over.jpg)
Edit:
I can't see if the image posted here at work.
You posted the URL for the search, there's the image.
Quote from: Conan71 on June 04, 2013, 08:56:44 AM
You posted the URL for the search, there's the image.
Isn't that in Pennsylvania? :D
Quote from: Conan71 on June 04, 2013, 08:56:44 AM
You posted the URL for the search, there's the image.
Come on guys. That happened when "The Eagles" got back together.
Quote from: Hoss on June 04, 2013, 09:13:50 AM
Isn't that in Pennsylvania? :D
Let me try again. :D
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(http://ekonefe.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/hell_froze_sign.jpg?w=500)
Quote from: Hoss on June 04, 2013, 09:13:50 AM
Isn't that in Pennsylvania? :D
That's Intercourse that's in Pennsylvania
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Quote from: Conan71 on June 04, 2013, 01:58:36 PM
That's Intercourse that's in Pennsylvania
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wv5AsyslggQ/Sxqsm7WzC7I/AAAAAAAADrk/RLwBfzGuvXQ/s320/Intercourse.png)
Where I'm sure this street exists:
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Quote from: Hoss on June 04, 2013, 02:05:02 PM
Where I'm sure this street exists:
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Correct, and that's around the corner from
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Quote from: Conan71 on June 04, 2013, 02:08:10 PM
Correct, and that's around the corner from
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Went to school there.
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I haven't seen that much negative in the campaigns this time. I don't get any mailings from Bartlett or Christiansen and have only seen one negative TV ad (from Christiansen). Bill Christiansen for Mayor facebook page has links to his radio spots that are pretty negative, but I haven't actually heard any of them on the radio.
I think it has been a pretty civil campaign so far (but there is still a week to go).
If you compare this to congressional races this past year, the campaigns this spring look tame.
Kathy is really ramping up the negative adds lately. Doesn't she realize that she just needs to let Dewey do-ey his own speaking and defeat himself?
She is coming off as mean; it's like watching someone rub a dog's nose in their own mess.
Quote from: carltonplace on October 16, 2013, 09:59:27 AM
Kathy is really ramping up the negative adds lately. Doesn't she realize that she just needs to let Dewey do-ey his own speaking and defeat himself?
She is coming off as mean; it's like watching someone rub a dog's nose in their own mess.
I was a little surprised the campaign went that way. I didn't think it was necessary.
I agree with both of you. I saw the first one last night. He's done. She just needs to sit back and watch the polls. At this point she is just wasting money on the ads.
Quote from: DolfanBob on October 16, 2013, 03:45:44 PM
I agree with both of you. I saw the first one last night. He's done. She just needs to sit back and watch the polls. At this point she is just wasting money on the ads.
Is he even running a campaign? I see almost nothing from him.
Quote from: swake on October 16, 2013, 03:49:58 PM
Is he even running a campaign? I see almost nothing from him.
I heard some sort of attack ad from his camp in the last couple of days talking about her having the largest house in Broward County, Florida...blah blah blah.
I heard a very negative radio ad against Taylor on KRMG. Dewey seems to be running against Obama.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 16, 2013, 04:05:52 PM
I heard a very negative radio ad against Taylor on KRMG. Dewey seems to be running against Obama.
I was starting to wonder if Obama was running for mayor...
Quote from: carltonplace on October 16, 2013, 09:59:27 AM
Kathy is really ramping up the negative adds lately. Doesn't she realize that she just needs to let Dewey do-ey his own speaking and defeat himself?
She is coming off as mean; it's like watching someone rub a dog's nose in their own mess.
All anyone needs to do in this state to defeat Kathy is bring up her fiscal history, or her devotion to Obama. It seems however that Dewey has no interest in doing that. His campaign is positive to a fault.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5323/9935404814_d4b20e5fb9_n.jpg)
Quote from: Gaspar on October 16, 2013, 05:06:18 PM
All anyone needs to do in this state to defeat Kathy is bring up her fiscal history, or her devotion to Obama. It seems however that Dewey has no interest in doing that. His campaign is positive to a fault.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5323/9935404814_d4b20e5fb9_n.jpg)
I suspect you've never even met Taylor. She never talked to me about Obama and I made clear I was a supporter.
Quote from: Gaspar on October 16, 2013, 05:06:18 PM
All anyone needs to do in this state to defeat Kathy is bring up her fiscal history, or her devotion to Obama. It seems however that Dewey has no interest in doing that. His campaign is positive to a fault.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 16, 2013, 07:42:53 PM
You have no idea what you are talking about.
So she's not an Obama fan, and managed the city budget extremely well during her term?
Its a black/white, either/or world for you.
Quote from: AquaMan on October 16, 2013, 08:59:18 PM
Its a black/white, either/or world for you.
It's a digital world.
:D
Quote from: Red Arrow on October 16, 2013, 09:02:47 PM
It's a digital world.
:D
Carter really missed his chance to run again. :D
Quote from: Gaspar on October 16, 2013, 07:57:42 PM
So she's not an Obama fan, and managed the city budget extremely well during her term?
As compared to the alternatives, well, yeah to the city management part of that. Being an Obama fan really doesn't mean anything in this context. Goes to that "perspective" thing again.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on October 17, 2013, 07:18:24 AM
As compared to the alternatives, well, yeah to the city management part of that. Being an Obama fan really doesn't mean anything in this context. Goes to that "perspective" thing again.
You are probably right. It's more of an underlying philosophy thing for me. Always has been. I have had the opportunity to meet here on several occasions and she is a very nice person. Unfortunately, it's not as easy as just electing people. You have to support the philosophy that person represents. I was actually leaning towards voting for her until she started her campaign advertising and I had an opportunity to read her list of issues. She would have waltzed back to Tulsa and stepped right into the mayor's seat if she had just presented a dignified campaign and treated her opponent as a nice man, but simply a lesser choice.
Her attempts to take rather silly things and promote them as horrible travesties against the public is juvenile and plays to only the lest of us. Fortunately she doesn't' do it very well. Her ads come off as more alarmist than realistic, which is typical of the politicians playbook, and makes her look more like the "politician" in the race.
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed – and hence clamorous to be led to safety – by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. – H.L. Mencken
She looked awkward attempting to tell a content public that they should be outraged. In the midst of a slow economy with high national unemployment, Tulsa has faired far better than most, and cleaned up a legacy of bad
bookkeeping bookmaking. Now she wants to run on the concept that the people should be outraged because a machine that was supposed to tear apart garbage bags required adjustment and the Mayor was not notified immediately?
Dewey is no rocket scientist, but he does employ a very common sense approach to things and understands that programs & promises cary prices, and that's what put us in debt when Kathy was in office. We can't afford to throw money at every problem and/or each nut-job business man that wants to build a spaceship or airplane, just to get our name on it.
Reading through the "issues" on her current website, "Transparency" tops the pile, but that's not the most important issue to the typical Tulsa voter, economic development and jobs is, and that's third. The rest is mostly the same political gibberish. I wish there was a third candidate but there is not.
Sometimes telling people how bad things are, just makes them reflect on how good things are.
I think Tulsa just does better with an ego-less mayor, even if he is boring and lacks fashion.
We'll see. She may still have an opportunity to win me over. I'm undecided at the moment, but if she just wants to spend money, make promises and tell me how bad my life will be without her, she'll be playing the wrong tune. The city seems to be on the right path, and headed in a direction of growth. Whoever is elected needs not to mess that up!
Quote from: Gaspar on October 16, 2013, 05:06:18 PM
All anyone needs to do in this state to defeat Kathy is bring up her fiscal history, or her devotion to Obama. It seems however that Dewey has no interest in doing that. His campaign is positive to a fault.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5323/9935404814_d4b20e5fb9_n.jpg)
They've run a string of ads calling her "The Obama Candidate", mentions her giving money to his campaign as well as Emily's List which is a pro-choice group which raises money for pro-choice Democrat women. One of the ads features Jim Bridenstine.
Bartlet (sic) has gone full nasty as well.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 17, 2013, 10:11:55 AM
They've run a string of ads calling her "The Obama Candidate", mentions her giving money to his campaign as well as Emily's List which is a pro-choice group which raises money for pro-choice Democrat women. One of the ads features Jim Bridenstine.
Bartlet (sic) has gone full nasty as well.
I'm waiting for Taylor to run an ad showing an on-fire cellphone in Dooey's pocket. :o
Well this should be fun. Taylor is also soliciting funds from outside of the city. All the way in Jenks! hehehe
Quote from: Conan71 on October 17, 2013, 10:11:55 AM
They've run a string of ads calling her "The Obama Candidate", mentions her giving money to his campaign as well as Emily's List which is a pro-choice group which raises money for pro-choice Democrat women. One of the ads features Jim Bridenstine.
Bartlet (sic) has gone full nasty as well.
I'm guessing the only place to hear these ads is on KRMG?
There's an interesting dichotomy in this election.
During Bartlet's (sic) term, we've seen a lot of growth and a lot of projects completed which is complimentary to his term in office. Interesting part is though, is many of those projects came to fruition due to Taylor's vision. Certainly she did some controversial things like the Borg Cube purchase, and the creation of the ball park assessment district. But the ballpark and the stadium trust were most certainly a catalyst in ushering rapid renovation of the Matthew Brady District.
Bartlet (sic) gets credit for the economic recovery in terms of claimed job growth, Taylor gets blame for job loss after the collapse of SEMron and job loss as the recession was ramping up.
Perception is everything in terms of elections. I like Kathy's visionary approach to the office.
Quote from: Townsend on October 17, 2013, 10:37:43 AM
I'm guessing the only place to hear these ads is on KRMG?
Mostly. They also have a few TV ads.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 17, 2013, 11:05:02 AM
There's an interesting dichotomy in this election.
During Bartlet's (sic) term, we've seen a lot of growth and a lot of projects completed which is complimentary to his term in office. Interesting part is though, is many of those projects came to fruition due to Taylor's vision. Certainly she did some controversial things like the Borg Cube purchase, and the creation of the ball park assessment district. But the ballpark and the stadium trust were most certainly a catalyst in ushering rapid renovation of the Matthew Brady District.
Bartlet (sic) gets credit for the economic recovery in terms of claimed job growth, Taylor gets blame for job loss after the collapse of SEMron and job loss as the recession was ramping up.
Perception is everything in terms of elections. I like Kathy's visionary approach to the office.
I dont fully disagree with Gaspar's assessment or even his assertion about Tulsa needing an "ego-less" mayor. But I do have a problem with a "visionless" mayor and that is what we have with Dewey. He is just turning the lights on, he isn't charged - I don't feel like he goes into the office excited to move Tulsa forward.
I hope Kathy turns down the nasty rhetoric, it doesn't represent her well.
Quote from: carltonplace on October 17, 2013, 04:02:00 PM
I hope Kathy turns down the nasty rhetoric, it doesn't represent her well.
Probably a good idea since FOTD/AOX,TTownAssClown said Tulsa men were afraid of strong and powerful wemmen.
Quote from: carltonplace on October 17, 2013, 04:02:00 PM
I dont fully disagree with Gaspar's assessment or even his assertion about Tulsa needing an "ego-less" mayor. But I do have a problem with a "visionless" mayor and that is what we have with Dewey. He is just turning the lights on, he isn't charged - I don't feel like he goes into the office excited to move Tulsa forward.
I hope Kathy turns down the nasty rhetoric, it doesn't represent her well.
I agree. His campaign was charged, but after being elected, it seemed like all he wanted to do is be a head down CEO. That was certainly an important dimension of the job and arguably more important than the leaders we've had that are willing to jump in front of any camera they see, but I would like to see a mayor that can do both. PR is important.
When you are a man, sometimes you wear stretchy pants. . .
(http://facesoflions.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/nacholibre-1.jpg)
Quote from: Gaspar on October 17, 2013, 04:18:17 PM
I agree. His campaign was charged, but after being elected, it seemed like all he wanted to do is be a head down CEO. That was certainly an important dimension of the job and arguably more important than the leaders we've had that are willing to jump in front of any camera they see, but I would like to see a mayor that can do both. PR is important.
When you are a man, sometimes you wear stretchy pants. . .
(http://facesoflions.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/nacholibre-1.jpg)
Bartlet (sic) takes a deft approach to leadership, Taylor is far more hands-on. She's a great delegator but she stays on top of the issues. Working with her during her administration, I learned that when she said something would happen, she would make sure it did. If it did not get done, she would follow up immediately.
I don't know that I've even met that many CEO's who are so engaged in the day-to-day operation of their business as she was as mayor. Keep in mind, I was no fan of hers for the first couple of years of her administration.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 17, 2013, 11:05:02 AM
There's an interesting dichotomy in this election.
Interesting part is though, is many of those projects came to fruition due to Taylor's vision.
Dont you mean Susan Savage?
Quote from: Vashta Nerada on October 17, 2013, 07:48:51 PM
Dont you mean Susan Savage?
Savage started the push initially. But Vision 2025 really belongs to Bill LaFortune. I was a little miffed at the city for not really recognizing his effort (as an Oklahoma Republican also) in getting V2025 passed. Taylor was just sitting in the chair when the flagship of the project (the arena) was completed.
I know many people who said it would fade out after the first year. Here we are at five years now and it's better than ever.
My friend got a flier in the mail yesterday. It was the one about how Dewey was playing the Harmonica while crime was up. LOL, I mean seriously.
(http://i.imgur.com/46j04ND.jpg)
Apparently it won't be enough for her to defeat him. She wants to humiliate him.
Maybe she's privy to some shenanigans he is doing or sees polls that scare her. Whatever, it looks like an attempt to spend campaign dollars.
I don't know why they just didn't say that crime is up. The harmonica quip makes me wonder if this is a big joke or not.
Quote from: CharlieSheen on October 18, 2013, 10:28:56 AM
The harmonica quip makes me wonder if this is a big joke or not.
Campaigns do that for me.
Great, now the pro-harmonica lobby is going to come out in force.
Quote from: AquaMan on October 18, 2013, 10:02:08 AM
Apparently it won't be enough for her to defeat him. She wants to humiliate him.
Maybe she's privy to some shenanigans he is doing or sees polls that scare her. Whatever, it looks like an attempt to spend campaign dollars.
And if you "forget" to donate now, you can always make a ring-kissing donation once she is back on the throne.
Here's a blast from the past, courtesy TulsaNow:
The people who donated did so because it got them a seat at the profitable table of stadium district development. They paid for control. And they're still getting that control, albeit less than they originally hoped for. It's quite possible that this is the only reason Mayor Taylor was able to make $30 million appear out of thin air.
And you ask, why not? Why shouldn't they control it?
Because of what happened to Will Wilkins and Novus. This set of control freaks intends to push out the little guy. They've made clear there is no room for the kind of entrepreneur who has been the ONLY ONE keeping Tulsa's core alive. These "philanthropists" are crashing the downtown party and taking it over. At least we'll have a nice ballpark.
Here is the equivalent for those of you who aren't grasping Wrinkle's point. Remember Global Development Partners, who wanted to build a similar development in the East End using the Nordam site? What if they had come to the city saying, "Hello city. We're going to create this beautiful development and control how it looks, but all the other property owners in downtown have to pay half." We might think about their offer--we might even make it happen--but at least we'd see it for what it was, which would be a subsidized business arrangement.
Now granted, in this case it won't be the Trust itself that profits. But the builders and developers they choose to create this Stadium District surely will. And we are handing control over to this Trust, thereby reducing accountability for the use of public funds. In this project, to donate is to gain control. To gain control is to gain benefit. Pay to play. Quid pro quo.
I want a stadium downtown as much as anyone and made more noise about it on this forum than anyone. But that's not blinding me to the flawed manner in which Mayor Taylor and the donors have decided to make it happen.http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=11300.msg101791#msg101791
Quote from: patric on October 18, 2013, 12:06:19 PM
And if you "forget" to donate now, you can always make a ring-kissing donation once she is back on the throne.
Here's a blast from the past, courtesy TulsaNow:
The people who donated did so because it got them a seat at the profitable table of stadium district development. They paid for control. And they're still getting that control, albeit less than they originally hoped for. It's quite possible that this is the only reason Mayor Taylor was able to make $30 million appear out of thin air.
And you ask, why not? Why shouldn't they control it?
Because of what happened to Will Wilkins and Novus. This set of control freaks intends to push out the little guy. They've made clear there is no room for the kind of entrepreneur who has been the ONLY ONE keeping Tulsa's core alive. These "philanthropists" are crashing the downtown party and taking it over. At least we'll have a nice ballpark.
Here is the equivalent for those of you who aren't grasping Wrinkle's point. Remember Global Development Partners, who wanted to build a similar development in the East End using the Nordam site? What if they had come to the city saying, "Hello city. We're going to create this beautiful development and control how it looks, but all the other property owners in downtown have to pay half." We might think about their offer--we might even make it happen--but at least we'd see it for what it was, which would be a subsidized business arrangement.
Now granted, in this case it won't be the Trust itself that profits. But the builders and developers they choose to create this Stadium District surely will. And we are handing control over to this Trust, thereby reducing accountability for the use of public funds. In this project, to donate is to gain control. To gain control is to gain benefit. Pay to play. Quid pro quo.
I want a stadium downtown as much as anyone and made more noise about it on this forum than anyone. But that's not blinding me to the flawed manner in which Mayor Taylor and the donors have decided to make it happen.
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=11300.msg101791#msg101791
By now hasn't this been proven to be wrong? The donations went to things like the art centers and park. The ballpark is a big success and only now is the surrounding property being sold off and Wilkins himself was a winning bidder.
Beware the remoras.
One thing you can say about Dewey is that he doesn't drop enough scraps to be attractive to most of them.
Interesting take on the race from conservative Dan Keating...
http://tulsabeacon.com/nonpartisan-means-nonpartisan/
Tulsa voters approved changing municipal elections from partisan to nonpartisan. Unfortunately, Mayor Dewey Bartlett is doing his best to convince voters that next month's election is still a Democrat and Republican affair. He needs Republicans to vote for the label and not spend their time reviewing his record. The mayor has made little effort in cultivating former Councilor Bill Christiansen supporters, who are pivotal to winning re-election.
Former Mayor Kathy Taylor may have said it best with "two-thirds of Tulsans voted to elect a new mayor. Between Councilor Christiansen and myself, two-thirds of Tulsans said we're not satisfied with what's happening today."
Well, what is happening today? From my office window overlooking Boulder Avenue, the traffic is very light coming and going downtown. Some days, a car passes every five minutes or so. There are also no construction cranes in the air. This all makes sense with practically no economic development taking place. Even the coming $919 million capital improvement tax package doesn't include one dime for putting permanent water in the Arkansas River.
Wouldn't that be a game changer for Tulsa, a real economic uplift? Yet, our "business gettingness" mayor lets the river slip by as he tries to take credit for the 7,000 jobs added in the metropolitan boundary over the last four years. That makes it 146 jobs per month. This column reported the state of Utah gaining 18,000 California jobs in just one month. Why? Because they worked on it and called in California. As the Utah governor's office reported they had "boots on the ground."
Mayor Bartlett must have been tending to his oil business. He certainly wasn't attending the board meetings of statutory authorities of which he is a member. You may recall the audit of EMSA done by State Auditor Gary Jones. The audit was critical of EMSA's management and the board for its oversight. As reported by Fox23 News, "Some examples of extravagant spending included more than $30,000 spent on flower arrangements over a three-year period for office beautification and consolation gifts. Noteworthy spending also included reimbursement for the longtime CEO Stephen Williamson including a $400 trip to a spa, $450 for an American Airlines Admirals Club membership, a $669 hotel bill not including the room charge, but composed of charges such as room service, a mini bar and data service, a $1,105 dinner with seven board and staff members; and two lifetime subscriptions to Satellite Radio Services for $800. The audit report says Williamson's reimbursements comprised 50 percent of all reimbursements for EMSA employees: more than $316,000. No wonder the full-figured Mr. Williamson is hinting at the need for another rate hike.
Another out of control authority that Mayor Bartlett sits on is Tulsa's TARE Board. Tare is short for Tulsa Authority for the Recovery of Energy. TARE as you may recall had worked itself out of a job, but since no bureaucracy ever lets itself simply vanish, the authority reworked Tulsa's trash collection system, borrowed millions of dollars and charged ahead. Competent trash haulers were fired and new pricing policies implemented. Most service billings doubled. Green waste required special tags and clear trash bags.
But, it was worth it. Right? Wrong.
The green waste recovery equipment never worked. So for a year, Mayor Bartlett's people postured, burned all the trash together and kept the money. The mayor's excuse was that he missed most of those board meetings. Do Tulsans really want a mayor who can't even pick up the trash? A real absentee mayor with practically no vision for the future or plan for today?
When Mayor Bartlett looks west towards the river, he squints. He doesn't see endless possibilities only an empty gash in the land. We've given the mayor every opportunity to produce. He doesn't own the job. It's time for Dewey to return to Keener Oil.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 18, 2013, 02:38:27 PM
Interesting take on the race from conservative Dan Keating...
http://tulsabeacon.com/nonpartisan-means-nonpartisan/
Tulsa voters approved changing municipal elections from partisan to nonpartisan. Unfortunately, Mayor Dewey Bartlett is doing his best to convince voters that next month's election is still a Democrat and Republican affair. He needs Republicans to vote for the label and not spend their time reviewing his record. The mayor has made little effort in cultivating former Councilor Bill Christiansen supporters, who are pivotal to winning re-election.
Former Mayor Kathy Taylor may have said it best with "two-thirds of Tulsans voted to elect a new mayor. Between Councilor Christiansen and myself, two-thirds of Tulsans said we're not satisfied with what's happening today."
Well, what is happening today? From my office window overlooking Boulder Avenue, the traffic is very light coming and going downtown. Some days, a car passes every five minutes or so. There are also no construction cranes in the air. This all makes sense with practically no economic development taking place. Even the coming $919 million capital improvement tax package doesn't include one dime for putting permanent water in the Arkansas River.
Wouldn't that be a game changer for Tulsa, a real economic uplift? Yet, our "business gettingness" mayor lets the river slip by as he tries to take credit for the 7,000 jobs added in the metropolitan boundary over the last four years. That makes it 146 jobs per month. This column reported the state of Utah gaining 18,000 California jobs in just one month. Why? Because they worked on it and called in California. As the Utah governor's office reported they had "boots on the ground."
Mayor Bartlett must have been tending to his oil business. He certainly wasn't attending the board meetings of statutory authorities of which he is a member. You may recall the audit of EMSA done by State Auditor Gary Jones. The audit was critical of EMSA's management and the board for its oversight. As reported by Fox23 News, "Some examples of extravagant spending included more than $30,000 spent on flower arrangements over a three-year period for office beautification and consolation gifts. Noteworthy spending also included reimbursement for the longtime CEO Stephen Williamson including a $400 trip to a spa, $450 for an American Airlines Admirals Club membership, a $669 hotel bill not including the room charge, but composed of charges such as room service, a mini bar and data service, a $1,105 dinner with seven board and staff members; and two lifetime subscriptions to Satellite Radio Services for $800. The audit report says Williamson's reimbursements comprised 50 percent of all reimbursements for EMSA employees: more than $316,000. No wonder the full-figured Mr. Williamson is hinting at the need for another rate hike.
Another out of control authority that Mayor Bartlett sits on is Tulsa's TARE Board. Tare is short for Tulsa Authority for the Recovery of Energy. TARE as you may recall had worked itself out of a job, but since no bureaucracy ever lets itself simply vanish, the authority reworked Tulsa's trash collection system, borrowed millions of dollars and charged ahead. Competent trash haulers were fired and new pricing policies implemented. Most service billings doubled. Green waste required special tags and clear trash bags.
But, it was worth it. Right? Wrong.
The green waste recovery equipment never worked. So for a year, Mayor Bartlett's people postured, burned all the trash together and kept the money. The mayor's excuse was that he missed most of those board meetings. Do Tulsans really want a mayor who can't even pick up the trash? A real absentee mayor with practically no vision for the future or plan for today?
When Mayor Bartlett looks west towards the river, he squints. He doesn't see endless possibilities only an empty gash in the land. We've given the mayor every opportunity to produce. He doesn't own the job. It's time for Dewey to return to Keener Oil.
Most service billings doubled? Wow, does this guy even do any research outside of asking his friends?
My bill went up about 90 cents. My city bill has gone up two dollars or so, but the balance of that was water/sewer related, not refuse.
Quote from: Hoss on October 18, 2013, 02:46:11 PM
Most service billings doubled? Wow, does this guy even do any research outside of asking his friends?
My bill went up about 90 cents. My city bill has gone up two dollars or so, but the balance of that was water/sewer related, not refuse.
I agree with you. My bill went up eight cents.
But many people do the math different. If you charge one price for trash collection twice a week and then you charge about the same for once a week collection, you have doubled the price.
Let's not forget Terry Simonson, and Dewey's wife. Or the stupid, and I can't stress this enough, stupid Airport tax vote.
And what ever happened to that KPMG audit, or Planit Tulsa?
Dewey Sucks.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 18, 2013, 02:48:42 PM
I agree with you. My bill went up eight cents.
But many people do the math different. If you charge one price for trash collection twice a week and then you charge about the same for once a week collection, you have doubled the price.
I actually like the once a week. I like it that I just have to haul that trash out once a week. Now, granted, I could have done the same with the old system, but I used smaller containers, so not likely I would have been able to do it that way.
I do like the City issuing the bins AND the recycling part of the plan. Since it's started last October, I've seen more and more using the blue bins than I expected. I understand people's frustration with the City's epic FAIL on the green waste system, but when you change the system as drastically as has been done here, that may be part of change process. What I was really upset about though was the lack of transparency when it became apparent that the process to remove the bags for the green waste wouldn't work.
How is it that people are not bringing up when the city council had to consider whether to bring up criminal charges against Dewey, the probe, and such gems as "do you smell something burning?" and "I gotta take a leak"
http://www.tulsacouncil.org/news/news-stories/2010/investigation_documents.aspx
Quote from: sgrizzle on October 18, 2013, 05:42:18 PM
How is it that people are not bringing up when the city council had to consider whether to bring up criminal charges against Dewey, the probe, and such gems as "do you smell something burning?" and "I gotta take a leak"
http://www.tulsacouncil.org/news/news-stories/2010/investigation_documents.aspx
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I like Keatings frank, honest assessment of a lack of vision and oversight by this mayor. One could say, that was what the public seemed to want after a more activist Taylor stressed them with vision and action. I remember people saying we just want someone to run the city like a business and little drama. Well, we got that. But it was run like Office Depot, not Costco.
I really like that he pinpoints one of our key obstacles to progress here...authorities with little oversight, poor performance and huge authority. EMSA and TARE are prime examples.
I feel like there were more issues under Taylor, but in theory...I like her ideas more. Bartlett just seems like a safer bet.
PS - I'm an undecided voter.
Quote from: AquaMan on October 19, 2013, 09:44:50 AM
I really like that he pinpoints one of our key obstacles to progress here...authorities with little oversight, poor performance and huge authority. EMSA and TARE are prime examples.
But the Mayor serves on both of those boards. To step out then blame them seems wrong to me. I don't know the EMSA board, but every member of the TARE board was appointed by Bartlett. The chairman of TARE is a major contributor to his campaign.
I agree that he is responsible for their appointments and for not showing much oversight. Those authorities generally don't have much accountability to the mayor do they? Unless the mayor is strong and appoints competent managers, rather than friends and donors, they (authorities) generally don't feel obligated to do more than pay respectful attention.
EMSA and RPA are particularly bullet proof.
Note: I am a Taylor supporter. She is a tough bird who understands vision and is practical. I have my problems with her but overall a good leader.
Keatings remarks were on target, though i have my doubts that any mayor has the power to do much with keeping water in the river.
Quote from: AquaMan on October 19, 2013, 10:37:08 AM
I agree that he is responsible for their appointments and for not showing much oversight. Those authorities generally don't have much accountability to the mayor do they? Unless the mayor is strong and appoints competent managers, rather than friends and donors, they (authorities) generally don't feel obligated to do more than pay respectful attention.
EMSA and RPA are particularly bullet proof.
Note: I am a Taylor supporter. She is a tough bird who understands vision and is practical. I have my problems with her but overall a good leader.
Keatings remarks were on target, though i have my doubts that any mayor has the power to do much with keeping water in the river.
When does Jim Inhofe deliver his federal funds for the river? It's been promised a long time now.
Quote from: swake on October 19, 2013, 12:02:24 PM
When does Jim Inhofe deliver his federal funds for the river? It's been promised a long time now.
Jim's to-do list
1. Repeal obamacare
2. Prove global warming is false
3. Fund Arkansas river projects
Quote from: sgrizzle on October 19, 2013, 05:25:59 PM
Jim's to-do list
1. Repeal obamacare
2. Prove global warming is false
3. Fund Arkansas river projects
You forgot "save that runway in Podunk, Arkansas" he likes to fly into.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 19, 2013, 11:38:47 PM
You forgot "save that runway in Podunk, Arkansas" he likes to fly into.
He won't fly into any airport unless a taxiway has a big yellow 'x' on it though...
Oh, nice video BTW. You guys looked like you were having fun.
Quote from: Hoss on October 19, 2013, 11:53:04 PM
He won't fly into any airport unless a taxiway has a big yellow 'x' on it though...
Isn't that how they mark which bathroom stall has the accommodating intern in it?
interesting take by Batesline...
http://www.batesline.com/archives/2013/10/dan-keating-dewey-bartlett-tulsa-mayor.html
Dan Keating, a conservative Republican, recently appointed by Gov. Mary Fallin to the State Board of Education, has written a scathing column in the Tulsa Beacon denouncing Tulsa Mayor Dewey Bartlett Jr's campaign for pushing party affiliation over his performance as mayor and saying that it's time for Tulsa Mayor Dewey Bartlett Jr to return to the private sector.
Keating says that Bartlett Jr "has made little effort in cultivating former Councilor Bill Christiansen supporters, who are pivotal to winning re-election." Keating agrees with former Mayor Kathy Taylor's argument that the primary results show that 2/3rds of Tulsa voters are dissatisfied with Bartlett Jr's record. Calling Bartlett Jr an "absentee mayor with practically no vision for the future or plan for today," Keating concludes, "We've given the mayor every opportunity to produce. He doesn't own the job. It's time for Dewey to return to Keener Oil."
Keating notes the lack of cranes in the air and the lack of serious economic development. Bartlett Jr's claim of 7,000 jobs created in the metro area over the last four years doesn't impress Keating:
That makes it 146 jobs per month. This column reported the state of Utah gaining 18,000 California jobs in just one month. Why? Because they worked on it and called in California. As the Utah governor's office reported they had "boots on the ground."
Keating is also upset with Bartlett Jr's absence from meetings of key public authorities on which Tulsa's mayor serves as an ex officio member, noting two authorities in particular, the Emergency Medical Services Authority (EMSA) and the Tulsa Authority for the Recovery of Energy (TARE), which oversees Tulsa's trash system. An audit of EMSA by State Auditor and Inspector Gary Jones turned up extravagant spending by the CEO and criticized the board for a lack of oversight.
Another out of control authority that Mayor Bartlett sits on is Tulsa's TARE Board. Tare is short for Tulsa Authority for the Recovery of Energy. TARE as you may recall had worked itself out of a job, but since no bureaucracy ever lets itself simply vanish, the authority reworked Tulsa's trash collection system, borrowed millions of dollars and charged ahead. Competent trash haulers were fired and new pricing policies implemented. Most service billings doubled. Green waste required special tags and clear trash bags.
But, it was worth it. Right? Wrong.
The green waste recovery equipment never worked. So for a year, Mayor Bartlett's people postured, burned all the trash together and kept the money. The mayor's excuse was that he missed most of those board meetings.
Republicans who pay more attention to state and national politics than City Hall may be surprised, if not shocked, that a solid Republican like Dan Keating would endorse against the re-election of a Republican mayor. They may be tempted to dismiss Keating as a RINO. (Oddly, the same people seem unwilling to dismiss Bartlett Jr as a RINO for his 2009 endorsement of Taylor's re-election.)
It's an indication of Bartlett Jr's skill at burning bridges that many Republicans who pay close attention to what's happening at City Hall are unwilling to endorse him for re-election. Lawsuits against councilors, support for Vision2, gerrymandering, an apparent lack of interest and leadership in the important decisions made by the City's authorities, boards, and commissions have all served to alienate local GOP activists. Many of these Republicans would be willing to forgive him for being bumbling or naive, if those were the only problems, but there's a layer of nasty and vengeful on top of the bumbling and naivete that makes reconciliation impossible. When someone has put you in the position of having to hire an attorney and has never bothered to apologize, you're not going to lend your support to his reelection campaign.
As far as I am aware, no city councilor who has served during Bartlett Jr's term as mayor -- none of the nine that he mostly chased out of office, none of the nine who replaced them -- has endorsed him. The Fraternal Order of Police, which has endorsed Republicans and Democrats in the past, voted unanimously to endorse Taylor. Had Bartlett Jr and his team not burned so many bridges with his fellow Republicans, he would be a shoo-in for re-election.
Quote from: sgrizzle on October 19, 2013, 05:25:59 PM
Jim's to-do list
1. Repeal obamacare
2. Prove global warming is false
3. Fund Arkansas river projects
I thought #2 was on Jim's "done" list
Bruce Plante cracks me up.
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Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 21, 2013, 12:54:12 PM
interesting take by Batesline...
http://www.batesline.com/archives/2013/10/dan-keating-dewey-bartlett-tulsa-mayor.html
Dan Keating, a conservative Republican, recently appointed by Gov. Mary Fallin to the State Board of Education, has written a scathing column in the Tulsa Beacon denouncing Tulsa Mayor Dewey Bartlett Jr's campaign for pushing party affiliation over his performance as mayor and saying that it's time for Tulsa Mayor Dewey Bartlett Jr to return to the private sector.
Keating says that Bartlett Jr "has made little effort in cultivating former Councilor Bill Christiansen supporters, who are pivotal to winning re-election." Keating agrees with former Mayor Kathy Taylor's argument that the primary results show that 2/3rds of Tulsa voters are dissatisfied with Bartlett Jr's record. Calling Bartlett Jr an "absentee mayor with practically no vision for the future or plan for today," Keating concludes, "We've given the mayor every opportunity to produce. He doesn't own the job. It's time for Dewey to return to Keener Oil."
Keating notes the lack of cranes in the air and the lack of serious economic development. Bartlett Jr's claim of 7,000 jobs created in the metro area over the last four years doesn't impress Keating:
That makes it 146 jobs per month. This column reported the state of Utah gaining 18,000 California jobs in just one month. Why? Because they worked on it and called in California. As the Utah governor's office reported they had "boots on the ground."
Keating is also upset with Bartlett Jr's absence from meetings of key public authorities on which Tulsa's mayor serves as an ex officio member, noting two authorities in particular, the Emergency Medical Services Authority (EMSA) and the Tulsa Authority for the Recovery of Energy (TARE), which oversees Tulsa's trash system. An audit of EMSA by State Auditor and Inspector Gary Jones turned up extravagant spending by the CEO and criticized the board for a lack of oversight.
Another out of control authority that Mayor Bartlett sits on is Tulsa's TARE Board. Tare is short for Tulsa Authority for the Recovery of Energy. TARE as you may recall had worked itself out of a job, but since no bureaucracy ever lets itself simply vanish, the authority reworked Tulsa's trash collection system, borrowed millions of dollars and charged ahead. Competent trash haulers were fired and new pricing policies implemented. Most service billings doubled. Green waste required special tags and clear trash bags.
But, it was worth it. Right? Wrong.
The green waste recovery equipment never worked. So for a year, Mayor Bartlett's people postured, burned all the trash together and kept the money. The mayor's excuse was that he missed most of those board meetings.
Republicans who pay more attention to state and national politics than City Hall may be surprised, if not shocked, that a solid Republican like Dan Keating would endorse against the re-election of a Republican mayor. They may be tempted to dismiss Keating as a RINO. (Oddly, the same people seem unwilling to dismiss Bartlett Jr as a RINO for his 2009 endorsement of Taylor's re-election.)
It's an indication of Bartlett Jr's skill at burning bridges that many Republicans who pay close attention to what's happening at City Hall are unwilling to endorse him for re-election. Lawsuits against councilors, support for Vision2, gerrymandering, an apparent lack of interest and leadership in the important decisions made by the City's authorities, boards, and commissions have all served to alienate local GOP activists. Many of these Republicans would be willing to forgive him for being bumbling or naive, if those were the only problems, but there's a layer of nasty and vengeful on top of the bumbling and naivete that makes reconciliation impossible. When someone has put you in the position of having to hire an attorney and has never bothered to apologize, you're not going to lend your support to his reelection campaign.
As far as I am aware, no city councilor who has served during Bartlett Jr's term as mayor -- none of the nine that he mostly chased out of office, none of the nine who replaced them -- has endorsed him. The Fraternal Order of Police, which has endorsed Republicans and Democrats in the past, voted unanimously to endorse Taylor. Had Bartlett Jr and his team not burned so many bridges with his fellow Republicans, he would be a shoo-in for re-election.
I have to agree, that Bartlett basically stopped being mayoral the moment he got elected! Sad but true.
Quote from: Hoss on October 24, 2013, 10:55:05 AM
Bruce Plante cracks me up.
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The cartoon Plante did where the FOP shot themselves in the foot while trying to shoot a poster of Bartlett doesnt seem to be on the
Whirled website anymore...
So I see that Rick Santorum is here endorsing Dewey today. Pretty telling when you bring that nut job in to endorse you but as a sitting mayor you can't get ANY city councilors you've worked with to endorse you, from either party.
Quote from: swake on October 24, 2013, 03:47:19 PM
So I see that Rick Santorum Scrotorum is here endorsing Dewey today. Pretty telling when you bring that nut job in to endorse you but as a sitting mayor you can't get ANY city councilors you've worked with to endorse you, from either party.
Quote from: swake on October 24, 2013, 03:47:19 PM
So I see that Rick Santorum is here endorsing Dewey today. Pretty telling when you bring that nut job in to endorse you but as a sitting mayor you can't get ANY city councilors you've worked with to endorse you, from either party.
I think they're down to counting on the nut job vote.
Quote from: swake on October 24, 2013, 03:47:19 PM
So I see that Rick Santorum is here endorsing Dewey today.
Santorum, Inhofe and Bridenstein were all called in.
Given what nails in his coffin that may turn out to be, I wonder if it was actually his choice or something the party imposed.
Can Dewey concede now or does he have to wait until 7 p.m. election night?
Quote from: patric on October 25, 2013, 12:45:35 AM
Santorum, Inhofe and Bridenstein were all called in.
Given what nails in his coffin that may turn out to be, I wonder if it was actually his choice or something the party imposed.
Certainly not a fan of Santorum et. al. but he did win a majority of the votes in this district during the primaries. Bartlett would be smart to use the Santorum connection as bait for more negative ads from the KT camp. If they turn to being critical of Santorum in an effort to play to their base, they could effectively alienate much of the Republican vote necessary for KT to win. Love him or hate him, Santorum represents the votes of the majority in Tulsa, and KT needs that support.
If I were Bartlett, I would have a Santorum, Bridenstein, Inhofe clip in every single advertisement, not because it would gain me any additional support, but because it would encourage criticism.
KT is doing a great job of running as a Democrat cloaked in Republican's clothing. She would be smart not to remind people that she is a Democrat.
Quote from: DolfanBob on October 25, 2013, 10:12:59 AM
Can Dewey concede now or does he have to wait until 7 p.m. election night?
I would not jump to conclusions. This city and this state elects republicans almost every time. It is very difficult, even in a non-partisan race, for any democrat to win.
Gas, a lot has changed since the last election thanks to Congressional shenanigans of late. Not temporal but attitudinal. These brand names you mention are electable but not as popular as you might think.
Strangely, I see KT as a Republican in Dem clothes. Perspective is everything.
Quote from: AquaMan on October 25, 2013, 12:18:00 PM
Gas, a lot has changed since the last election thanks to Congressional shenanigans of late. Not temporal but attitudinal. These brand names you mention are electable but not as popular as you might think.
Strangely, I see KT as a Republican in Dem clothes. Perspective is everything.
From either prospective it is important that she suppress the Democrat classification, and stay far away from opinion or positions on national politics and politicians. I think that the majority views her as fairly politically agnostic at this moment. If she changes that, or if the Bartlett camp is successful in pointing it out, she will have more of a challenge.
Politically agnostic. Is that like "non-partisan"?
Quote from: AquaMan on October 25, 2013, 12:40:54 PM
Politically agnostic. Is that like "non-partisan"?
Cliché sucks, and the term "non-partisan" has been turned into meatloaf too many times. . .but yes!
;)
Quote from: Gaspar on October 25, 2013, 12:06:22 PM
Certainly not a fan of Santorum et. al. but he did win a majority of the votes in this district during the primaries. Bartlett would be smart to use the Santorum connection as bait for more negative ads from the KT camp. If they turn to being critical of Santorum in an effort to play to their base, they could effectively alienate much of the Republican vote necessary for KT to win. Love him or hate him, Santorum represents the votes of the majority in Tulsa, and KT needs that support.
If I were Bartlett, I would have a Santorum, Bridenstein, Inhofe clip in every single advertisement, not because it would gain me any additional support, but because it would encourage criticism.
KT is doing a great job of running as a Democrat cloaked in Republican's clothing. She would be smart not to remind people that she is a Democrat.
Just shows how the 30% dropout rate helps the RWRE in Oklahoma - that Santorum and Inhofe can win anything with the lies, attitudes and ignorance of reality exhibited by both on so many levels... sometimes it just boggles the mind that there are so many that actually believe them, or worse yet, subscribe to their warped world view.
Dewey was interviewed on Studio Tulsa today. The highlights: His cell phone did not explode.
Mrs Dewey is staying classy:
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Saw a huge Kathy Taylor tour bus driving down Sheridan yesterday. She is going all out on this campaign. Not that there's anything wrong with that. If you've got the bucks, why not spend them on your campaign?
Quote from: Gaspar on October 30, 2013, 02:25:38 PM
Saw a huge Kathy Taylor tour bus driving down Sheridan yesterday. She is going all out on this campaign. Not that there's anything wrong with that. If you've got the bucks, why not spend them on your campaign?
That's actually the firefighter's union's bus.
They seem a bit determined.
The firefighter's national union folks own this bus. They are doing it on their own.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 30, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
The firefighter's national union folks own this bus. They are doing it on their own.
You suppose there's a kegerator with
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On board?
I notice Dooey is playing hard and fast with the facts. I heard a commercial last night which accused Taylor of laying off police while spending $141 million on a new City Hall. If Dooey hasn't figured out the difference between capital budgets and operating budgets, it's time for him to leave that cushy chair in the nice new City Hall he's enjoyed the last four years.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 30, 2013, 03:47:40 PM
You suppose there's a kegerator with
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On board?
Who the Smoot is asking?
Quote from: Conan71 on October 30, 2013, 03:49:48 PM
I notice Dooey is playing hard and fast with the facts. I heard a commercial last night which accused Taylor of laying off police while spending $141 million on a new City Hall. If Dooey hasn't figured out the difference between capital budgets and operating budgets, it's time for him to leave that cushy chair in the nice new City Hall he's enjoyed the last four years.
I'm sure he knows the difference, but he's betting (probably rightly) that a lot of his would-be voters don't.
Quote from: rebound on October 30, 2013, 03:52:10 PM
I'm sure he knows the difference, but he's betting (probably rightly) that a lot of his would-be voters don't.
Ding
Quote from: rebound on October 30, 2013, 03:52:10 PM
I'm sure he knows the difference, but he's betting (probably rightly) that a lot of his would-be voters don't.
Dewey stated the other night something to the effect that one of the main reasons that Tulsa is different than Portland is that Portland is on the ocean.
As much as I hope he understands budgets, my faith is wavering.
He also said that if Turkey Mountain was taller, we would be just like Denver.
During the Studio Tulsa interview he said his "gee-whiz dream" would be for Tulsa to buy and take over "PBS" by which I think he meant OETA for use as a local government station/PBS affiliate combination. He also trashed density as a model for Tulsa, stating that Tulsa needed to grow north and that the Gilcrease extension across the river was critical to this growth.
I'm not sure I've been to the part of north Tulsa that has the Arkansas river in the middle of it.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 30, 2013, 10:30:31 PM
He also said that if Turkey Mountain was taller, we would be just like Denver.
Well I'm not sure about that. But it sounds like it was named after him. :D
Quote from: DolfanBob on October 31, 2013, 08:22:16 AM
Well I'm not sure about that. But it sounds like it was named after him. :D
It would have to be named something like Teléfono en la montaña de fuego then.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 30, 2013, 10:30:31 PM
He also said that if Turkey Mountain was taller, we would be just like Denver.
At least in that comparison Denver isn't an hour and a half away from mountains like portland is from the pacific.
Between the homicide rate being on record pace this year and Mayor Bartlet (sic) refusing to meet with the council over the budget shortfall, that's all Taylor's campaign could focus on at this point. I'm curious if he's started writing his concession speech yet.
I truly believe a quarter to a third of the votes for Dooey will be simply because some people won't be able to bring themselves to vote for Taylor. She can be a very polarizing person. I really don't know anyone who is luke warm about her. Either you really like her and her management style or you absolutely cannot stand her.
Quote from: Conan71 on November 01, 2013, 10:17:09 AM
Between the homicide rate being on record pace this year and Mayor Bartlet (sic) refusing to meet with the council over the budget shortfall, that's all Taylor's campaign could focus on at this point. I'm curious if he's started writing his concession speech yet.
I truly believe a quarter to a third of the votes for Dooey will be simply because some people won't be able to bring themselves to vote for Taylor. She can be a very polarizing person. I really don't know anyone who is luke warm about her. Either you really like her and her management style or you absolutely cannot stand her.
He'll probably be out of town, only to find out he lost upon his return.
"Hello. . .security. . .my key won't work, can someone let me in?"
"Uh, sir, you don't actually work here anymore."
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Quote from: sgrizzle on November 01, 2013, 10:05:45 AM
At least in that comparison Denver isn't an hour and a half away from mountains like portland is from the pacific.
That depends on traffic.
We should start Deweyisms
Tulsa would be like LA, if we hade more earthquakes
Tulsa would be like Washington DC, if we had the redskins.
Tulsa would be like Pittsburgh, if we had a river.
Quote from: sgrizzle on November 01, 2013, 07:09:46 PM
Tulsa would be like Pittsburgh, if we had a river.
You must be a young guy.
Tulsa would be like Pittsburgh if we used to be covered in coal soot.
Tulsa would be like Pittsburgh if we were where two rivers joined to create a third river.
Any more Ed W?
I'm a far right conservative and I have to support Kathy Taylor. Neither one is a conservative as far as that goes, Dewy does not deserve a another term, he never met a tax he didn't like, he has Tulsa streets in a mess with hap-hazzard road construction all over the place, they fix the street, then tear up the same street 2 months latter, the American Airlines mess and the old buildings Dewy want taxpayers to pay for, the trash system mess, there was nothing wrong with our trash system before but now we got stuck with those big trash cans. Dewy is a scatter brain he's all over the board. Kathy Taylor is the lessor of two evils. :-X
Quote from: sauerkraut on November 02, 2013, 02:34:51 PM
I'm a far right conservative and I have to support Kathy Taylor. Neither one is a conservative as far as that goes, Dewy does not deserve a another term, he never met a tax he didn't like, he has Tulsa streets in a mess with hap-hazzard road construction all over the place, they fix the street, then tear up the same street 2 months latter, the American Airlines mess and the old buildings Dewy want taxpayers to pay for, the trash system mess, there was nothing wrong with our trash system before but now we got stuck with those big trash cans. Dewy is a scatter brain he's all over the board. Kathy Taylor is the lessor of two evils. :-X
It will be easy for Kathy Taylor to shine if elected - the bar has been set so low, my last dead dog could clear that hurdle.
Far right conservative.... and how much do you get from the government trough?
Besides all the obvious items that accrue from living in a city like Tulsa....from government action. Streets, water, sewage disposal, fire protection, police protection, healthcare options, public parks, library, fireworks (occasionally) on the 4th of July, street lighting so you can see at night, entertainment venues...all manner of 'stuff' that you either do or can make use of.
But how about from the Federal level? Social Security? Medicare? Medicaid? Interstate access? An army to fight when there is a justified need (and sometimes when there is none)? Public education for the 70%+ that graduate and don't become RWRE? National parks, government funded research for drugs to make your old age more liveable.
How about enjoying the benefits from efforts of government funded guys like Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn did some work on a project that was to become a very successful thing, catching the attention of some progressives like a guy named Al Gore who saw the benefits both to the government and public sectors and was one of the biggest sponsors and promoters of funding the effort to expand the work that had been started back in the 50's. And even though your "good buddies" in the RWRE like to speak of him with disdain, the actual people involved said this;
"As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high-speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship [...] the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1993. When the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises."
And Leonard Kleinrock said this;
"A second development occurred around this time, namely, then-Senator Al Gore, a strong and knowledgeable proponent of the Internet, promoted legislation that resulted in President George H.W Bush signing the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991. This Act allocated $600 million for high performance computing and for the creation of the National Research and Education Network [13–14]. The NREN brought together industry, academia and government in a joint effort to accelerate the development and deployment of gigabit/sec networking."
I know all those names are a lot to process at once - go to your local government run library and check out the interwebz to see who they are....
See how barren your life would be without Progressive actions? You really ought to be a little more grateful to people with foresight, vision, and the ability to think more than 3 minutes ahead in their lives. nathann has posted a much more comprehensive list from time to time that Progressives have supported and the RWRE has opposed...all of which have brought better things to life for a much wider audience of people in this country - INCLUDING guys like you! And yet, you pooh-pooh all that. Amazing!
progress - movement, as toward a goal; advance. Development or growth: students who show progress. Steady improvement, as of a society or civilization: a believer in human progress.
This is why they are called Progressive - they want and work toward progress. As opposed to the RWRE who oppose all those things....through ignorance (the 30%'ers), fear, superstition, or just a particular wild hair of the day.... or maybe a particularly misguided idea that they are "rugged individualists" who did it ALL themselves without help, support, or any contribution from the rest of society. Yeah, that's it...that's the ticket...
Dewey is no conservative, so why elect him for a 2nd term, he never met a tax he didn't like, he didn't earn a 2nd term. That "Vision 2" boondoggle along with the old 1940 AA aircraft buildings that Dewey wanted to stick the taxpayers with, the list is endless. The trash system with the big ugly trash cans is another pain- the old trash system was fine! Get Dewey out! Kathy can't be any worse, I'm no fan of re-electing incumbants anyhow. :-X
Can this thing be over already? I am done with these ads on both sides. What a waste of money and civility.
Sign stealing, or hoax?
http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Political-fighting-caught-on-camera/hqCc1wZtv0ySPOoO121lxA.cspx