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Title: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on May 14, 2013, 11:22:36 PM
You can sleep easy tonight everybody.  http://www.fox23.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=4057768 (http://www.fox23.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=4057768) Smoot busted a major big time alcohol ring.  They never mentioned how much over their beer tested.  It could have been .00000001% over.  But I bet Smoot would keep us 2 % over or a few fractions over.
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: patric on May 14, 2013, 11:30:55 PM
Quote from: CharlieSheen on May 14, 2013, 11:22:36 PM
You can sleep easy tonight everybody.  http://www.fox23.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=4057768 (http://www.fox23.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=4057768) Smoot busted a major big time alcohol ring.  They never mentioned how much over their beer tested.  It could have been .00000001% over.  But I bet Smoot would keep us 2 % over or a few fractions over.

Apparently ABLE's on-camera personality told FOX23 that the microwbrewery was a danger to the public because customers would not know they were drinking real beer and end up becoming intoxicated.  ABLE was photographed seizing the brewery's beer kegs.
their facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pi-Pizzeria-and-Craft-Beer/489249547758740?_fb_noscript=1
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/REVIEW_Pi_Pizzeria_Craft_Beer/20130410_371_0_ClintE720653

ABLE Commission agents have visited the restaurant and sampled the beer multiple times. They say the beers being brewed and sold had a higher alcohol content than 3.2%. This allowed agents to get a search warrant and seize the equipment used to make the beer.
Agents say the restaurant only has a license to brew and sell low-point beer.
Director Keith Burt of the Oklahoma ABLE Commission stated that, "Not only does the ABLE Commission take seriously the importance of enforcing the laws of the State of Oklahoma, it is the mission of this agency to protect the health and public safety of our citizens by making them aware of what they are consuming."


It sounds like ABLE has outlived it's usefulness.

Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on May 14, 2013, 11:46:46 PM
He gave an even better interview to Channel 2.  He saved us all you guys.  I hope they make a movie about how he single handedly saved America.
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on May 15, 2013, 08:36:40 AM
And yet we continue to do the mild "slap on the wrist" for seriously drunk repeat offender drivers....

Okrahoma at it's finest!!

Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: DolfanBob on May 15, 2013, 09:08:33 AM
Deputy Smoot. His Cousins name is Andy.
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on May 15, 2013, 09:20:23 AM
Man I love America!  Where your employees get fined for the company.  "They say the manager is being charged with making and selling strong beer without a license."  MANAGER not the OWNER.  I'm sure this was whoever was in charge when they raided based on the writing of tickets experienced in their last raids in bluedome.


http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/oklahoma-able-commission-agents-bust-south-tulsa-brewery-for-making-strong-beer-without-a-license (http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/oklahoma-able-commission-agents-bust-south-tulsa-brewery-for-making-strong-beer-without-a-license)
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: AquaMan on May 15, 2013, 09:54:52 AM
I heard they usually put the alcohol license in the name of the manager or bartender to avoid prosecution of the owners. Is that true?
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Conan71 on May 15, 2013, 10:18:26 AM
I had no idea this place even existed.  Damn glad ABLE saved me from potentially drinking some 4% ABV beer though when I eventually did find out about the place.

Now this begs the question, what customer would complain about strong beer to the ABLE Commission, I mean really?
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: patric on May 15, 2013, 11:04:53 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on May 15, 2013, 10:18:26 AM
I had no idea this place even existed.  Damn glad ABLE saved me from potentially drinking some 4% ABV beer though when I eventually did find out about the place.
Now this begs the question, what customer would complain about strong beer to the ABLE Commission, I mean really?


ABLE now intends to send the brewer to prison.


Agents say they will forward the case to the District Attorney's Office. Agents say they face charges for engaging in activity which requires a license and possession with intent to sell alcoholic beverages. Each misdemeanor charge carries a $1,000 fine and year in jail.
http://www.fox23.com/mostpopular/story/Craft-beer-maker-busted-for-no-license-on-strong/QPFhiDZaW0uKq70NOu-nvw.cspx
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: BKDotCom on May 15, 2013, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on May 15, 2013, 10:18:26 AM
Now this begs the question, what customer would complain about strong beer to the ABLE Commission, I mean really?

Disgruntled employee / competitor
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: carltonplace on May 15, 2013, 12:09:24 PM
We need more craft beer makers and fewer ABLE officers.
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Ibanez on May 15, 2013, 12:36:38 PM
Quote from: CharlieSheen on May 14, 2013, 11:46:46 PM
He gave an even better interview to Channel 2.  He saved us all you guys.  I hope they make a movie about how he single handedly saved America.

What is with this guy? Nobody can possibly be that uptight and still walk upright.
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: patric on May 15, 2013, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on May 15, 2013, 10:18:26 AM
what customer would complain about strong beer to the ABLE Commission, I mean really?

Must have been that anonymous informant you always read about.

ABLE has been pushing for huge raises under House Bill 2145 (the omnibus public safety money grab) but has been on the defensive ever since there was a proposal to combine the agency with other specialty money pits.

You would think Tulsa's leaders would be on the defensive if someone shot down Mayfest or entertainment district revitalizing efforts, as well.
...or at least asking what city resources we are obligated to give those who don't have our best interests in mind.
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Conan71 on May 15, 2013, 01:23:56 PM
Quote from: Ibanez on May 15, 2013, 12:36:38 PM
What is with this guy? Nobody can possibly be that uptight and still walk upright.

They will probably find him huddled in an alley one day with a 14 year old boy and a warm crack pipe.
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Gaspar on May 15, 2013, 01:36:59 PM
The Alcoholic Beverage Laws Enforcement Commission is a vestigial organ of a bygone era.  They serve no purpose but to act as private gestapo for whatever party is willing to say their name three times in the mirror.  In the old days we had gangsters that you had to bribe to stay in business.  Today we have the same.

Vices are those acts by which a man harms himself or his property. Crimes are those acts by which one man harms the person or property of another. Vices are simply the errors which a man makes in his search after his own happiness. Unlike crimes, they imply no malice toward others, and no interference with their persons or property. In vices, the very essence of crime—that is, the design to injure the person or property of another—is wanting. It is a maxim of the law that there can be no crime without criminal intent; that is, without the intent to invade the person or property of another. But no one ever practices a vice with any such criminal intent. He practices his vice for his own happiness solely, and not from any malice toward others. Unless this clear distinction between vices and crimes be made and recognized by the laws, there can be on earth no such thing as individual right, liberty, or property, and the corresponding coequal rights of another man to the control of his own person and property.

--Lisander Spooner

Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Hoss on May 15, 2013, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on May 15, 2013, 01:23:56 PM
They will probably find him huddled in an alley one day with a 14 year old boy and a warm crack pipe.

He even looks dooshy.

(http://kwtv.images.worldnow.com/images/15961086_BG2.jpg)
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: cannon_fodder on May 15, 2013, 01:52:57 PM
ZOMG!  Now we are all safe.

Don't worry about the math.  Orb the shots of tequilla at los cargos. Never mind the Bourbon drunks at the Polo Grill.  Ignore the winos on Brookside.

Method?  Bah!

We shut down a small businesses owner.  Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! 

/stupid laws.  Need to open up micro brews/brew pubs and get into the 1990s.  Also kill 3 tier distribution and no liquor at retail outlets.  Dumb dumb dumb.
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: carltonplace on May 15, 2013, 02:20:30 PM
Speaking of a craft beer maker ^

Hi cannon_fodder! [waves]
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on May 15, 2013, 04:23:17 PM
Quote from: cannon_fodder on May 15, 2013, 01:52:57 PM

stupid laws.  Need to open up micro brews/brew pubs and get into the 1990s.  Also kill 3 tier distribution and no liquor at retail outlets.  Dumb dumb dumb.



What a dreamer!!  I would be thrilled if we got to the 70's!!

Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Ibanez on May 15, 2013, 07:11:57 PM
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 15, 2013, 04:23:17 PM
What a dreamer!!  I would be thrilled if we got to the 70's!!



18?
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: cannon_fodder on May 15, 2013, 07:56:21 PM
Some good press on the Internet's...

http://m.fark.com/comments/7751969?from_page=main

Is it to late to form Sequohia?
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on May 16, 2013, 05:08:43 AM
Quote from: Ibanez on May 15, 2013, 07:11:57 PM
18?


When I was 18?  No, it was way before that....

Wish the state would make it to the point where the rest of the nation was in the 70's....
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: JCnOwasso on May 16, 2013, 11:04:03 AM
Quote from: Gaspar on May 15, 2013, 01:36:59 PM
The Alcoholic Beverage Laws Enforcement Commission is a vestigial organ of a bygone era.  They serve no purpose but to act as private gestapo for whatever party is willing to say their name three times in the mirror.  In the old days we had gangsters that you had to bribe to stay in business.  Today we have the same.

Vices are those acts by which a man harms himself or his property. Crimes are those acts by which one man harms the person or property of another. Vices are simply the errors which a man makes in his search after his own happiness. Unlike crimes, they imply no malice toward others, and no interference with their persons or property. In vices, the very essence of crime—that is, the design to injure the person or property of another—is wanting. It is a maxim of the law that there can be no crime without criminal intent; that is, without the intent to invade the person or property of another. But no one ever practices a vice with any such criminal intent. He practices his vice for his own happiness solely, and not from any malice toward others. Unless this clear distinction between vices and crimes be made and recognized by the laws, there can be on earth no such thing as individual right, liberty, or property, and the corresponding coequal rights of another man to the control of his own person and property.

--Lisander Spooner


The "thing I agree with Gaspar on" list just had another addition.  The list is now 1 strong!
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Gaspar on May 16, 2013, 12:37:05 PM
Quote from: JCnOwasso on May 16, 2013, 11:04:03 AM
The "thing I agree with Gaspar on" list just had another addition.  The list is now 1 strong!

You should resist!. . . else you may become a self reliant, independent thinking, free-market libertarian.

Oh the horror!



Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Ibanez on May 16, 2013, 12:38:56 PM
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 16, 2013, 05:08:43 AM

When I was 18?  No, it was way before that....

Wish the state would make it to the point where the rest of the nation was in the 70's....


I meant 1870's.  ;)
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: AquaMan on May 16, 2013, 01:17:12 PM
Quote from: JCnOwasso on May 16, 2013, 11:04:03 AM
The "thing I agree with Gaspar on" list just had another addition.  The list is now 1 strong!

I add this to my list as well. Even a blind hog finds a walnut every once in a while. :)
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: DTowner on May 16, 2013, 03:35:07 PM
While ABLE's behavior is lame, the real scandal is that this business is actually guilty of breaking the law – a stupid law that does not protect the interests of consumers or citizens of Oklahoma, but is simply a legalized protection racket to benefit the players in the three-tier distribution system.  You can buy and drink beer stronger than 3.2 in restaurants and bars in the same shopping center.  Pi Place is restricted to 3.2 or less only because it is brewing the beer on-site.  The shame is that Oklahomans continue to put up this law.
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: davideinstein on May 16, 2013, 04:12:12 PM
Good for them. I'd donate to help pay their fines.
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on May 16, 2013, 04:46:41 PM
Quote from: Ibanez on May 16, 2013, 12:38:56 PM
I meant 1870's.  ;)

No kidding!!  That's probably closer.....

Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Conan71 on May 16, 2013, 08:59:51 PM
Quote from: davideinstein on May 16, 2013, 04:12:12 PM
Good for them. I'd donate to help pay their fines.

What will it take to get their equipment back?  I'm sure the fines pale in comparison.
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 16, 2013, 10:49:49 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on May 15, 2013, 01:36:59 PM
The Alcoholic Beverage Laws Enforcement Commission is a vestigial organ of a bygone era.  They serve no purpose but to act as private gestapo for whatever party is willing to say their name three times in the mirror.  In the old days we had gangsters that you had to bribe to stay in business.  Today we have the same.

Given that ABLE does nothing truly positive for Tulsa, and that Mr. Crazy-Eyes job could be better performed by someone with more accountability, you would think that TulsaNow would make this a priority.
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Conan71 on May 17, 2013, 08:18:47 AM
TulsaNow has no political stroke, especially when it comes to dismantling the countless fiefdoms which are staffed via nepotism.
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 17, 2013, 07:27:27 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on May 17, 2013, 08:18:47 AM
TulsaNow has no political stroke, especially when it comes to dismantling the countless fiefdoms which are staffed via nepotism.

So, what politician is ABLE a bi-otch to??
Stipe is long gone.
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: rdj on May 20, 2013, 09:25:53 AM
Quote from: Vashta Nerada on May 17, 2013, 07:27:27 PM
So, what politician is ABLE a bi-otch to??
Stipe is long gone.

Maybe its the other way around.  I wouldn't ever consider the Oklahoma Legislature to be a dry house.
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: carltonplace on May 20, 2013, 11:12:05 AM
Quote from: rdj on May 20, 2013, 09:25:53 AM
Maybe its the other way around.  I wouldn't ever consider the Oklahoma Legislature to be a dry house.

I spoke to my state rep about the ABLE and the arcane laws and they were not in the least interested in cashing in any political clout to wade in. They made it out to be very Boardwalk Empire.
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Hoss on May 20, 2013, 11:19:43 AM
Quote from: carltonplace on May 20, 2013, 11:12:05 AM
I spoke to my state rep about the ABLE and the arcane laws and they were not in the least interested in cashing in any political clout to wade in. They made it out to be very Boardwalk Empire.

Maybe we just start calling Smoot -- "Nucky"....it seems to fit.
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: patric on May 27, 2013, 10:13:12 PM
Now we know how they field test alcohol content.
Watch video of an Oklahoma state agent sticking a Breathalyzer into a bottle of Gatorade:

http://www.fox23.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=4074002
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Conan71 on May 28, 2013, 10:57:16 AM
Quote from: patric on May 27, 2013, 10:13:12 PM
Now we know how they field test alcohol content.
Watch video of an Oklahoma state agent sticking a Breathalyzer into a bottle of Gatorade:

http://www.fox23.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=4074002

No mullets or cut-offs?  What's happened to that river?
Title: Re: Pi Place Pizzeria Brewpub busted for selling more than 3.2 beer
Post by: Gaspar on May 28, 2013, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on May 28, 2013, 10:57:16 AM
No mullets or cut-offs?  What's happened to that river?

Don't make me hunt down your yearbook pic!