I am new to the forum but not the city.
With the size of the city I expected a lively forum but it seems dead to me ... A few posts but thats about it. My question is why?
We go through streaks. We just need more posters.
Welcome. I have enjoyed talking with you about religion on the other threads. Keep posting.
Dead you say!
Actually, it is a bit dead lately. There are some legit reasons for that:
1) outside of the political season
2) dead zone for sports
3) no great scandals as of late
4) developments are not announced this time of year
5) I've been busy. :)
[edit] 11 active threads a day isn't exactly "dead" anyway. . . [/edit]
We have wound down in recent months, after the big push of election season. Plus, there are some highly opinionated posters who seem to monopolize some of the threads.... quite possibly 'scaring' other would be posters away....
Statistically, less than 5% of people who visit the forum post anything.
Quote from: sgrizzle on May 01, 2013, 10:47:58 PM
Statistically, less than 5% of people who visit the forum post anything.
Damn Chinese hackers. Why won't they participate?
I bet your BAN list is quite healthy.
Quote from: Gaspar on May 02, 2013, 07:45:58 AM
Damn Chinese hackers. Why won't they participate?
I bet your BAN list is quite healthy.
I think we ban more than 50% of the internet
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 01, 2013, 07:31:13 PM
Plus, there are some highly opinionated posters who seem to monopolize some of the threads.... quite possibly 'scaring' other would be posters away....
Don't be so hard on yourself.
Quote from: sgrizzle on May 01, 2013, 10:47:58 PM
Statistically, less than 5% of people who visit the forum post anything.
Once again I'm in the minority. OK wait....What?
Quote from: DolfanBob on May 03, 2013, 09:08:15 AM
Once again I'm in the minority. OK wait....What?
Welcome (back) to the 5%.
;D
We must be the extreme, opinionated ones we always criticize or the smartest of the bunch.
Quote from: AquaMan on May 03, 2013, 09:20:39 AM
We must be the extreme, opinionated ones we always criticize or the smartest of the bunch.
Extremely smart.
Well, some of us anyway.
Likely one of the few consensus views around here.
Hey. I'm just in it for the diversity. ;D
You guys do make me look smart.
I.m a new member to this forum.
I can't seem to figure out how to start a new thread for discussion.
At any rate, because I feel this is quite important and needs to get out there, I will post the information here, and hope it will reach as many as possible.
Workers comp. laws do need change, but is the change that our governor is seeking moving in the right direction. Because only 2% of all workers comp. claims are fraudulent, and the laws already heavily favor the employer over the injured worker, what change should be made?
Unethical Business Practice @ Tech Ridge Office Park Tulsa, OK
NAI Petrous Commercial Real Estate Services, Worldwide
Management at Tech Ridge Office Park is guilty of unethical treatment of employees. In November of 2012, Tech Ridge ended the employment of their lead engineer, (David Louton) while he was on workers comp. Tech Ridge property manager; Joy MacCracken did not inform Mr. Louton that his employment had ended until March 2013, when the doctor released him to work. In fact, she continued to act as the employer in Dec, Jan, Feb, and even in March by handling the doctor/patient reports that were sent to the workers comp. insurance company. When David returned with a release from the doctor,(March 4,2013) he was informed that the company changed receivership in Nov. 2012. Because of this change David lost his job. Joy also said that technically David was never an employee for Tech Ridge. In addition to this despicable behavior, the property manager and NAI Petrous are now acting in ways that prevent Mr. Louton from obtaining new employment. McCracken says that, because of the workers comp. claim, they are refusing to sign a reference letter for Mr. Louton, and will not provide prospective employers with employment information over the phone. To add insult to injury, on Dec.20, 2012 (one month after Davids employment ended) Ms. MacCracken sent a fax to verify that David was a full time employee at Tech Ridge, to the apartment manager where he signed a one year lease. David had to skip out on lease, jeopardizing his credit. Tech Ridge management could have prevented this by telling the truth. Tools were stolen, while David was on workers comp. They refuse to replace these personal tools.
David Louton is the engineer who possibly saved lives and property at Tech Ridge back in 2011. In Dec. of that year, there were cranes in the parking lots, replacing heat and air units on the roof tops. David was hired in Oct. 2011. During his first month on the job, he discovered the heating systems were in a dangerous state of disrepair, caused by years of neglect, under the management of Joy MacCracken at Tech Ridge. Because of Davids leadership on this project, 40 roof top HVAC units were replaced on the Blain and Cherokee buildings. While working seven days per week, 12 – 16 hours each day on this project, David was injured, and was unable to complete the inspection of systems on all buildings. So, it is still unknown if the other eleven office buildings at Tech Ridge are safe. But, because most of the HVAC systems on all buildings at Tech Ridge are 40 years old, like those replaced on Blain and Cherokee, and proper maintenance has been left undone for years, there is reason for great concern. The old units that were replaced were discharging carbon monoxide in to the occupied spaces. Any one of these units could have exploded, causing a chain reaction, destroying property and causing death. David also discovered that many building exhaust fans did not work and were still not working when he became injured and left Tech Ridge.
When corporations are allowed to treat hard working, dedicated workers in this manner, workers comp. laws do need change.
Click on "The Tulsa Forum by TulsaNow" above and to the left, then select the appropriate category and click on it. Select "New Topic" from the list on the right, and Bob's your uncle.
Quote from: CDL on May 05, 2013, 02:01:33 PM
Workers comp. laws do need change, but is the change that our governor is seeking moving in the right direction. Because only 2% of all workers comp. claims are fraudulent, and the laws already heavily favor the employer over the injured worker, what change should be made?
It's easy to bash the governor. What changes do you suggest?
Unsurprisingly, this story about David Louton appears verbatim on his Facebook page. While I don't see any problem with writing in the third person, it's a good practice to exercise full disclosure and let readers know this is your version of events.
Ed W, yes you are correct this is my story. But, there is no other version to the story.
Quote from: CDL on May 05, 2013, 02:01:33 PM
While working seven days per week, 12 – 16 hours each day on this project, David was injured,
David was not as smart as he thinks he is, allowing himself to put a few dollars above his health and safety. I am not surprised he was injured. Fatigue is one sure way to get hurt.
RecycleMichael would never do that.
Red Arrow, I'm not bashing the governor. I am a registered republican. I voted for her, and will vote to reelect her. I think the democrat party was taken over by socialist/communist many years ago.
I am 57 years old, have been working all my life in construction industries, and this is my first workers comp claim.
I knew that I would no longer have a job, when I returned.
I have seen it happen to others.
Men who actually work for a living, always lose their jobs, after filing a workers comp. claim.
Companies always find some reason to get rid of men who get injured.
This is the first time I've seen this happen before the doctor even releases the patient.
I think I had the right to know that my employment was terminated four months before the doctor released me.
Joy McCracken said that the reason she did not inform me of this is because I was on workers comp. and she never sees me.
This is not true. I hand delivered each doctors report directly to her, the first week of each month, and she acted as the employer, by handling these doctor/patient reports.
McCracken had my phone number, and has called me on that number.
She knew that the reason I wanted to lease the apartment in Tulsa, was to eliminate my 100 mile round trip drive to and from work, when the doctor was soon to release me to work.
The apartment manager had me on hole, waiting for the verification of employment.
McCracken knowingly lied to the apartment manager, in her fax message to the apartment manager, where she confirmed that I was a full time employee at Tech Ridge on Dec. 20, 2012.
She said to me that my employment had ended in Nov. 2012.
It is hard enough to pay my mortgage in Muskogee, and be the sole support for a family of three, with no income whatsoever.
Now I am liable for a one year lease on an apartment that I have been forced to vacate.
You have to admit that, if all I am saying is true, (and it is) this is very unethical.
Yet everything that has been done to me is evidently legal???
I had only worked for the company for a month before I got hurt.
During that period, the only thing I can think of that would cause McCracken to do these despicable things is that, when in my first weeks on the job, I exposed her as being incompetent to manage the facilities, by discovering the public health and safety hazards, that were allowed to exist under her management.
I assure you I am not trying to knock the governor in any way. But she has an office job. This never happens to office personnel. This only happens to people who actually WORK for a living. Before she makes workers comp. laws more anti worker, I just think she needs more knowledge of real life.
The fact remains that only 2% of all workers comp. claims are fraud.
Having a career, a profession, an occupation, or a job does not necessarily mean you WORK.
Any physics book will define work as; energy in motion.
As a building engineer, I am required to lift and carry 100 pounds on a regular bases. I am the first responder, if there is a building fire, and must be able to run up and down four flights of stairs, while carrying a 20 pound fire extinguisher. Lives and property depend on my ability to move quickly.
The doctor released me to work, even though I told him this, and that I cannot run, still have trouble with stairs, walking on inclines, and have not yet even attempted to climb a ladder. I assumed that I would be placed back on workers comp. if after being released, it was determined that I was not up to the job. I thought I still had a job, and the company would create some bogus reason to fire me after I returned, like all other companies do.
I don't blame Tech Ridge for not wanting to take a chance on me, because I really can no longer do the work, due to this disability.
I was injured while working 12 - 16 hour days, seven days per week, trying to make these buildings safe for the occupants. I was on a salary, and received no OT pay.
My reward for my dedication to the company, is quite strange.
I would hope that our governor will acquire a little more knowledge of the real world, before making a knee jerk response to be anti worker.
The laws already are slanted heavily against workers. If the laws were made fair to workers, the law suits would drop drastically.
Evidently there are some of you, like Red Arrow, who think I brought this on myself.
If you think I wanted this injury, and to undergo two surgeries, and still be crippled, and have the career that I have been in for the last 30+ years ended, with no retirement, you aren't very bright.
I was the only person with an HVAC license, it was November, there was not much time to get the work done, lives and property were at risk.
Red Arrow, do you have an office job, or do you WORK for a living.
There seems to be a great deal of ignorant to the way things happen in the real world.
At first I was of the opinion that it was not the companies fault and not my fault.
You want to blame me for getting hurt.
The truth is that the company, had three different bids to replace all the old equipment, before I was hired.
They knew these should be replaced. Management at Tech Ridge were wearing blinders, and allowed a dangerous situation to exist.
So in a way, their neglect, and incompetence to manage the facility created a situation that lead to my injury.
At other jobs, I always make sure this kind of work is started and completed before cold weather comes.
I told McCracken it would take me two months to do this work. She wanted it done in two weeks. I did not overwork myself to the point that fatigue caused my injury, Red Arrow suggest. This job was going to take two months, working 7 days a week. As an expert, I knew this.
Because it was time to turn on the heating systems, this work needed to be done immediately, and I was the only man licensed for the work.
It was my responsibility. I was the lead engineer. I could not allow these unsafe conditions to exist. I could lose my license for that.
Man, you don't need a forum. You need a lawyer. One who specializes in this kind of nonsense. I know some guys (everyone does). PM me if you want.
You could also use a little time to read about the Republican party and find someone to help you figure out why you vote against your own interests.
Quote from: CDL on May 05, 2013, 05:51:21 PM
Ed W, yes you are correct this is my story. But, there is no other version to the story.
There are at least two versions of your story and quite possibly more. The company fired you for a reason, and that reason will have some documentation to substantiate their position. It's standard procedure in cases like this.
There are a few avenues for you to consider. First, if you belong to a union, they'll assist you in pursuing a grievance and may be able to reinstate you with back pay. It takes time to do this, and the usual time frame is a year or more.
Second, if you do not have union representation, you can hire a private attorney. I'm sure there are some recommendations from the people who haunt this forum, some of them quite knowledgeable and experienced in workers comp claims. Again, it takes time, so ask politely and be patient.
Finally, get some information on the Americans with Disabilities Act. The ADA requires "reasonable accommodation" for employees, and in most cases, employers will comply with the regulations. This also relates to the hiring practice, but it's been years since I had to read up on that stuff.
AquaMan, I have been to the best attorney in town. I was told that technically the company did nothing illegal, and because Tulsa is a pro business/ant employee town, there is not much chance to win a case of wrongful termination.
As for my being republican, they are the lesser of the evils.
Because I do not support killing innocent babies at the planned parenthood abortion factories, I support freedom of choice to own fire arms, school choice, retirement choice, and health care choice, I do not fit with the liberal/progressive/socialist/communist/democrat party.
I will never allow these enemies from within to buy my vote, with their socialist/communist utopian lies.
Sure they will try to purchase my vote, with promises to take from all who work hard and "spread the wealth", but this is immoral.
Why not cut out the middle man (big brother), issue fire arms to all the poor people, and let them go door to door robbing the citizens.
This would eliminate the need for the IRS.
Quote from: CDL on May 05, 2013, 07:39:32 PM
Evidently there are some of you, like Red Arrow, who think I brought this on myself.
If you think I wanted this injury, and to undergo two surgeries, and still be crippled, and have the career that I have been in for the last 30+ years ended, with no retirement, you aren't very bright.
I was the only person with an HVAC license, it was November, there was not much time to get the work done, lives and property were at risk.
Red Arrow, do you have an office job, or do you WORK for a living.
There seems to be a great deal of ignorant to the way things happen in the real world.
At first I was of the opinion that it was not the companies fault and not my fault.
You want to blame me for getting hurt.
The truth is that the company, had three different bids to replace all the old equipment, before I was hired.
They knew these should be replaced. Management at Tech Ridge were wearing blinders, and allowed a dangerous situation to exist.
So in a way, their neglect, and incompetence to manage the facility created a situation that lead to my injury.
At other jobs, I always make sure this kind of work is started and completed before cold weather comes.
I told McCracken it would take me two months to do this work. She wanted it done in two weeks. I did not overwork myself to the point that fatigue caused my injury, Red Arrow suggest. This job was going to take two months, working 7 days a week. As an expert, I knew this.
Because it was time to turn on the heating systems, this work needed to be done immediately, and I was the only man licensed for the work.
It was my responsibility. I was the lead engineer. I could not allow these unsafe conditions to exist. I could lose my license for that.
Were you in a WAR ZONE? How many people would have died if you didn't complete your job on time? Could the facility have been shut down until the life threatening situation was mitigated?
You are new here so you probably don't know that I too am an Engineer. In the mid/late 80s, I allowed my employer to overwork me (with no OT pay) for a project. I understand the pressure to complete a job. After about 6 months, I was exhausted. I went for a company paid medical exam and found out I was just exhausted. Are you saying there is no stress in an office job? I agree the probability of a physical injury is less than if you are person-handling 100 lb packages. In your case it appears that 7 days per week and 12 to 16 hrs per day for a month or so was more than you could handle. Yes, accidents happen. More often, there are extenuating contributing circumstances. I am not implying you are responsible beyond saying that you allowed yourself to be overworked to the point that an accident had a high probability of happening. Feel free to post details explaining otherwise. You are not 20 something and invincible anymore. Wake up and recognize it.
As an expert, you should have told McCracken that it would take the time you needed and declined the job if they did not agree. If lives were at stake, you should have reported the situation to an authority such as OSHA.
Yes, you were treated badly after you were injured. I don't care how you voted. You are saying that the governor is taking the program in the wrong direction. I was serious when asking how you would change the program. Saying the laws need to be changed and the governor is taking us in the wrong direction is an easy statement. What is your solution?
Ed W, you are quite right.
There is more to the story.
But, it is all bad on their part.
If the company did nothing illegal, as you say, and you continue writing questionable posts about their actions, you may become liable. The smart thing to do would be to put it behind you and move on to further employment. In the late 50s, it can be difficult to find work as many of us know.
I will say this much:
I worked manual labor most of my time from high school until my early to mid twenties. Then I got an office job after I nearly cut my finger off working at Aaon.
I was able to continue my office jobs until I am at where I am now through perseverance and continuing education. So I respect people who work manual labor.
But, until you walk a mile or more in an office worker's shoes, you won't know the kind psychological crap that they have to deal with. There were many times I wanted to get back into manual labor work just to get out of the office politics because I knew how that manual labor could be an outlet for stress. But I toughed it out and figured out how to survive in that kind of environment.
But I guess you'll never know or understand that side of it.
I've done office work know for almost 20 years. Some of that office work also involved manual labor (I worked for a direct mail company; I routinely had to haul 50 or more 50 lb boxes of paper daily). Some of it still does.
You are not endearing yourselves to people here when you make some of the statements you have made.
I do WORK for a living.
No way he's a union guy with those attitudes. I also have worked both blue collar, office and management. The stress of management gives heart attacks, obesity, smoking, drinking and divorce. Office workers suffer the same indignities and high handed behavior you described.
Anyway, there are no best lawyers, just some who are more experienced in the area you need than others. Like a doctor, it pays to get a second opinion.
I collect used beverage cans. If you collect enough you can make it into a full-time job.
Quote from: CDL on May 05, 2013, 07:07:09 PM
Having a career, a profession, an occupation, or a job does not necessarily mean you WORK.
Any physics book will define work as; energy in motion.
The engineering definition of work is a force moving through a distance. Force applied at a distance (torque) without motion doesn't count.
For everyone else, work is not so specific. Believe me, you will not get any sympathy citing engineering definitions.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on May 05, 2013, 09:31:21 PM
I collect used beverage cans. If you collect enough you can make it into a full-time job.
Now "you" collect cans, bottles, newspaper...
Thank you.
Quote from: AquaMan on May 05, 2013, 09:25:56 PM
No way he's a union guy with those attitudes.
I wouldn't go that far. Some of my oppressed fellow workers are stalwart Republicans. Some even belong to a so-called "craft union" that supports right to work - proof that you can fool some of the people all of the time.
Quote from: Ed W on May 05, 2013, 09:43:22 PM
I wouldn't go that far. Some of my oppressed fellow workers are stalwart Republicans. Some even belong to a so-called "craft union" that supports right to work - proof that you can fool some of the people all of the time.
Do we really want to go there in this thread?
No. But the guy would vote for a politician he criticizes for not having real life work experience. You gotta' wonder.
And his remarks about Democrats are offensive.
Ed W - But it needs to be illegal.
I can no longer do the work, due to the injury.
I have a family and home in OK.
Even if I could do the work, I now have a two year gap in work history, because they will not even acknowledge that I was employed there.
I had my sister pose as a potential employer. She called and asked for a work reference. McCracken said that, because of the change in receivership, she is the wrong person to speak to. (She is the only person who can speak to this issue) She said there is no one who can verify my employment.
But, when it caused me to get saddled with a one year apartment lease she could.
No, I will not just put this behind me.
This is very therapeutic.
Hopefully, getting this information out, will make the public aware of how unethical Tech Ridge and NAI Petrous are.
If they will do this to employees, one must wonder how low they will sink, in dealing with their tenants.
And, public health and safety may still be at risk at Tech Ridge.
I was not able to complete the inspection of all thirteen buildings, and as I said, most systems at Tech Ridge are 1974 model units. there are several hundred systems.
The 40 systems that were replaced when I was in charge, were just two of the buildings.
I am concerned for the health and safety of the tenants at Tech Ridge.
Oh by the way Red Arrow, 12 - 16 hours per day, seven days each week is a normal work week, for a heat and air man, or for any other construction industry.
I've been working these kinds of hours for 30+ years. Before that it was 24 on and carry on, as an engineer in the US Navy.
I was not getting OT, I was on salary. So, your remark about the money is moot.
You can't see clear ice. That's what caused my injury. Could have happened to anyone.
On the job injuries are part of the job, when you work in the construction industries.
But unethical employment practices should be illegal.
Workers comp. laws do need change.
If the laws will prohibit the type of unethical business practices, that are used by Tech Ridge and other corporations, workers comp. attorneys will find themselves in the unemployment line.
And, I hope the governor will take in consideration stories like mine.
WARNING TO TECH RIDGE TENANTS: If you have headaches, dizziness, or unexplained illnesses, you may wish to be tested for carbon monoxide poisoning, mold related illness, or some other illness caused by poor indoor air quality. Sick building syndrome can be the cause of serious health problems, including legionnaire disease.
AquaMan
"And his remarks about Democrats are offensive."
The democrat party is offensive!
Bunch of homosexual/pot smoking/tax & spend/global warming hoax/baby killers, robbing the future of our children, and giving this country away to Mexico.
Quote from: CDL on May 05, 2013, 10:16:07 PM
And, public health and safety may still be at risk at Tech Ridge.
I was not able to complete the inspection of all thirteen buildings, and as I said, most systems at Tech Ridge are 1974 model units. there are several hundred systems.
The 40 systems that were replaced when I was in charge, were just two of the buildings.
I am concerned for the health and safety of the tenants at Tech Ridge.
If you are truly concerned, report it to OSHA or some other work place safety authority. It is your duty to do so. Otherwise, you are blowing smoke.
QuoteOh by the way Red Arrow, 12 - 16 hours per day, seven days each week is a normal work week, for a heat and air man, or for any other construction industry.
I've been working these kinds of hours for 30+ years. Before that it was 24 on and carry on, as an engineer in the US Navy.
You are not 20 something anymore. Stop trying to be a martyr.
QuoteI was not getting OT, I was on salary. So, your remark about the money is moot.
You could have declined the job. The money point is not moot. The OT part is not a player.
QuoteYou can't see clear ice. That's what caused my injury. Could have happened to anyone.
Perhaps. Were you not aware of the potential for clear ice?
QuoteWorkers comp. laws do need change.
Agreed. Give us some of your specific suggestions.
QuoteIf the laws will prohibit the type of unethical business practices, that are used by Tech Ridge and other corporations, workers comp. attorneys will find themselves in the unemployment line.
No, there will still be plenty of workers who accidentally loose a finger or something to put "Junior" through college.
Quote from: CDL on May 05, 2013, 10:30:59 PM
AquaMan
"And his remarks about Democrats are offensive."
The democrat party is offensive!
Bunch of homosexual/pot smoking/tax & spend/global warming hoax/baby killers, robbing the future of our children, and giving this country away to Mexico.
In the "Win friends and influence people" arena, you certainly have the "influence people" part down cold.
Quote from: CDL on May 05, 2013, 10:30:59 PM
AquaMan
"And his remarks about Democrats are offensive."
The democrat party is offensive!
Bunch of homosexual/pot smoking/tax & spend/global warming hoax/baby killers, robbing the future of our children, and giving this country away to Mexico.
Geez. No wonder they canned you.
Hoss
"But, until you walk a mile or more in an office worker's shoes, you won't know the kind psychological crap that they have to deal with. There were many times I wanted to get back into manual labor work just to get out of the office politics because I knew how that manual labor could be an outlet for stress. But I toughed it out and figured out how to survive in that kind of environment."
"But I guess you'll never know or understand that side of it."
My job as lead engineer, requires me to do the grunt work all day, when I am not needed in a staff meeting, or to train apprentices, then do the office work of
managing the department after hours til 10 or 11 at night. And being the only person licensed to do the HVAC work, this means working weekends.
I have held leadership positions as safety coordinator, maintenance coordinator, quality control inspector, and HVAC instructor.
I know both sides of the coin.
Real work is not done in an office. Been there, done that.
Quote from: CDL on May 05, 2013, 11:05:23 PM
Hoss
"But, until you walk a mile or more in an office worker's shoes, you won't know the kind psychological crap that they have to deal with. There were many times I wanted to get back into manual labor work just to get out of the office politics because I knew how that manual labor could be an outlet for stress. But I toughed it out and figured out how to survive in that kind of environment."
"But I guess you'll never know or understand that side of it."
My job as lead engineer, requires me to do the grunt work all day, when I am not needed in a staff meeting, or to train apprentices, then do the office work of
managing the department after hours til 10 or 11 at night. And being the only person licensed to do the HVAC work, this means working weekends.
I have held leadership positions as safety coordinator, maintenance coordinator, quality control inspector, and HVAC instructor.
I know both sides of the coin.
Real work is not done in an office. Been there, done that.
Never been to my office then. I've been around your type; holier than thou attitude. No wonder you're having such a rough time, because you think you're entitled.
Hey, I thought that was a Democratic trait?
I'm done with you now. After reading your screed on your FB page (which, BTW, you might think about not serving up all your status updates as 'Global'...which means everyone in the FB world can see it..unless that's you how you roll) I not only need to do the rest of my laundry, I might need a capful of mental bleach.
Have a nice life.
Quote from: CDL on May 05, 2013, 10:30:59 PM
The democrat party is offensive!
Bunch of homosexual/pot smoking/tax & spend/global warming hoax/baby killers, robbing the future of our children, and giving this country away to Mexico.
Don't sugar coat it, give it to us straight. Also, before of the forum cop who loves to troll. It can be a little creepy sometimes.
Quote from: guido911 on May 05, 2013, 11:16:26 PM
Don't sugar coat it, give it to us straight. Also, before of the forum cop who loves to troll. It can be a little creepy sometimes.
Ha! This coming from an internet stalker! Thanks for the laugh.
AquaMan agrees with big brother. He thinks I should be I'm guilty of thought crimes.
No sir, I was not there long enough to express any political views.
Besides, there was no time for that, working 12-16 hour days, seven days per week.
Quote from: CDL on May 05, 2013, 11:18:10 PM
AquaMan agrees with big brother. He thinks I should be I'm guilty of thought crimes.
No sir, I was not there long enough to express any political views.
Besides, there was no time for that, working 12-16 hour days, seven days per week.
I have never met you in real life, so I don't know your true personality, but if you act like you are on here then you are going to have a hard time solving your problem. I agree that you were (allegedly) treated unfairly, but you must be able to work with people in order to fix the situation.
If I were you I'd stop insulting others by insinuating that they are not hard working. You are gaining no sympathy.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on May 01, 2013, 05:49:37 PM
Dead you say!
Actually, it is a bit dead lately. There are some legit reasons for that:
1) outside of the political season
2) dead zone for sports
3) no great scandals as of late
4) developments are not announced this time of year
5) I've been busy. :)
[edit] 11 active threads a day isn't exactly "dead" anyway. . . [/edit]
Be careful what you wish for. (And don't end sentences with prepositions?)
It's been an informative thread. I've learned that I'm very likely a socialist-communist-homosexualist with close ties to Mexico. (And in another aside, do any of our tea bagger brethren know the difference between socialists and communists, or are these merely Big Scary Words they've heard endlessly in the right wing echo chamber?)
There's more, but I gotta go. It's time to report to work and sit at a bench doing 'nothing' all day long. Surprisingly enough, if I keep this up for a few more years, they'll give me money to stay home.
Quote from: CDL on May 05, 2013, 10:30:59 PM
The democrat party is offensive!
Bunch of homosexual/pot smoking/tax & spend/global warming hoax/baby killers, robbing the future of our children, and giving this country away to Mexico.
We are not giving the country away to Mexico. We are trading it for their quality drugs.
Quote from: Ed W on May 06, 2013, 05:56:57 AM
Surprisingly enough, if I keep this up for a few more years, they'll give me money to stay home.
You lucky dog. I have to save for my own retirement. I have been looking for several jobs which would pay me to not show up. None of them would need to pay really well if I could find enough of them.
;D
Quote from: Hoss on May 05, 2013, 11:09:44 PM
Never been to my office then. I've been around your type; holier than thou attitude. No wonder you're having such a rough time, because you think you're entitled.
Hey, I thought that was a Democratic trait?
I'm done with you now. After reading your screed on your FB page (which, BTW, you might think about not serving up all your status updates as 'Global'...which means everyone in the FB world can see it..unless that's you how you roll) I not only need to do the rest of my laundry, I might need a capful of mental bleach.
Have a nice life.
Wow, what a horrible way to start a week. Agreeing with Hoss.
;D
Quote from: Red Arrow on May 06, 2013, 07:57:50 AM
You lucky dog. I have to save for my own retirement. I have been looking for several jobs which would pay me to not show up. None of them would need to pay really well if I could find enough of them.
;D
I try the lottery. I know it's a longshot, but if you don't play you can't win!
Quote from: Hoss on May 06, 2013, 08:15:30 AM
I try the lottery. I know it's a longshot, but if you don't play you can't win!
One of my TU professors called that enabling the miracle.
Quote from: Red Arrow on May 06, 2013, 07:57:50 AM
You lucky dog. I have to save for my own retirement. I have been looking for several jobs which would pay me to not show up. None of them would need to pay really well if I could find enough of them.
;D
After retirement, I'm thinking about running for office, say a nice US House or Senate job. It's part time at best and comes with good benefits. On the other hand, I'm not hypocritical enough for those jobs and I'd probably be more respectable as a pimp, drug dealer, or ambulance chasing attorney.
Quote from: guido911 on May 03, 2013, 08:31:14 AM
Don't be so hard on yourself.
That's why I put that there - I can NOT believe that it took SO LONG for you to jump in on that!!
Site is dead because it's generally much more liberal than the average Tulsa resident. Runs a lot of people away. I only stop in a few times a year to see if the site has become more civil. It hasn't.
Ironically, my first and probably past post.
Good point.
I didn't think we were that liberal. Nice to know that we are.
Sorry. I go to go. I am tearing up with joy.
I'm sorry to hear that. I wish more people would step off the porch and join in on whats being said and done in their community.
Yes at first I also thought some of the posters on here were a little abrasive. After a while you get to understand where each one comes from on their opinion and I have learned not to be so sensitive to negative replies.
The best I can do is try and induce some humor when possible. I'm not always effective with it, but at least I try.
I like this forum, and the guy's and gal's who choose to join in. I have learned quite a bit about Tulsa and the State in general from the people on here.
Quote from: DolfanBob on May 13, 2013, 12:34:16 PM
After a while you get to understand where each one comes from on their opinion and I have learned not to be so sensitive to negative replies.
TNF, the equal opportunity de-sensitizer.
Quote from: NothingToSeeHere on May 13, 2013, 12:13:05 PM
Site is dead because it's generally much more liberal than the average Tulsa resident. Runs a lot of people away. I only stop in a few times a year to see if the site has become more civil. It hasn't.
Ironically, my first and probably past post.
Do you choose not to vote because you don't care to try to make a difference?
C'mon, give it shot. Fresh blood always makes a difference.
Quote from: Townsend on May 13, 2013, 01:36:07 PM
C'mon, give it shot. Fresh blood always makes a difference.
The vampires are thirsty.
;D
Quote from: CDL on May 05, 2013, 10:16:07 PM
Ed W - But it needs to be illegal.
I can no longer do the work, due to the injury.
I have a family and home in OK.
Even if I could do the work, I now have a two year gap in work history, because they will not even acknowledge that I was employed there.................
And yet, you still support the people who keep on pushing to keep it legal.....
Quote from: CDL on May 05, 2013, 10:30:59 PM
AquaMan
"And his remarks about Democrats are offensive."
The democrat party is offensive!
Bunch of homosexual/pot smoking/tax & spend/global warming hoax/baby killers, robbing the future of our children, and giving this country away to Mexico.
I think this is just one of those fake posters who throws a bunch of stuff out there just to stir stuff up....
Or so truly psychotic that he actually believes that the ones who are the direct proximate cause of some of his issues are the good guys.....
Quote from: NothingToSeeHere on May 13, 2013, 12:13:05 PM
Site is dead because it's generally much more liberal than the average Tulsa resident. Runs a lot of people away. I only stop in a few times a year to see if the site has become more civil. It hasn't.
Ironically, my first and probably past post.
That's a relief!!
Quote from: DolfanBob on May 13, 2013, 12:34:16 PM
I'm sorry to hear that. I wish more people would step off the porch and join in on whats being said and done in their community.
Yes at first I also thought some of the posters on here were a little abrasive. After a while you get to understand where each one comes from on their opinion and I have learned not to be so sensitive to negative replies.
Oh,....mannnnnnnn.....just a little abrasive..?? And I try so hard!! Geez...you really know how to crush someone's hopes and dreams, then grind them into the dust! Do you pull the wings off of flies, too??
Quote from: NothingToSeeHere on May 13, 2013, 12:13:05 PM
Site is dead because it's generally much more liberal than the average Tulsa resident. Runs a lot of people away. I only stop in a few times a year to see if the site has become more civil. It hasn't.
Ironically, my first and probably past post.
I'll file this between the reports of us being too conservative.
Quote from: sgrizzle on May 27, 2013, 08:41:43 PM
I'll file this between the reports of us being too conservative.
Is there really such a thing as "too conservative" in Oklahoma?
Things you don't hear in OK:
"My chicken fried steak has too much gravy"
"Don't bring any ranch dressing for my fries"
"He is too conservative"
Quote from: carltonplace on May 28, 2013, 09:46:59 AM
Things you don't hear in OK:
"My chicken fried steak has too much gravy"
"Don't bring any ranch dressing for my fries"
"He is too conservative"
I have said each of those things more than once :P
Quote from: godboko71 on May 31, 2013, 02:30:15 AM
I have said each of those things more than once :P
Get out of my state.