Figured we needed this thread, especially since this is happening to a female member of our legislature. Misogynists.
QuoteThe horse slaughter bill passed the Senate on Tuesday and is heading to Gov. Mary Fallin, who has indicated she'll sign it.
The bill was fiercely opposed by animal rights groups across the country.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=12&articleid=20130327_12_0_OKLAHO350214
Quote from: guido911 on March 27, 2013, 08:29:39 PM
Figured we needed this thread, especially since this is happening to a female member of our legislature. Misogynists.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=12&articleid=20130327_12_0_OKLAHO350214
Just as bad as the RWRE!! Not just left wing extremists on this one, though....
I still haven't heard any of these so-called "horse lovers" state exactly how a horse is any different from a cow, buffalo, lamb, goat, or hog when it comes to meat....
I wonder if Canada has any horse on the menu...?
At least you are consistent, Heiry.
Guido, I guarantee you will never come close to getting the material for this thread to be credible let alone believable. Even the right wing media can't feed you the stuff I squander from the progressive side.
But you should try. I don't know the depth of the material you can pull out of your exit. Unfortunately for you, there's no need for left wing terrorists because they have already won the culture war. Change has come to America. Have you heard? Forward!
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Quote from: Teatownclown on March 27, 2013, 09:35:27 PM
I guarantee you will never come close to getting the material for this thread to be credible let alone believable.
He probably could if he embraced the current tactic of labeling activists as terrorists. Juries seem to fall for that.
In all these law enforcement schemes the alleged terrorists masterminds end up seeming, when the full story comes out, unable to terrorize their way out of a paper bag without law enforcement tutelage. ("They teach you how to make all this stuff out of simple household items," one of the kids says on a recording quoted in the FBI affidavit about a book he has just discovered, The Anarchist Cookbook. Someone asks him how much it says explosives cost. "I'm not sure," he responds, "I just downloaded it last night.") It's a perfect example of how post-9/11 fear made law enforcement tactics seem acceptable that were previously beyond the pale. Previously, however, the targets have been Muslims; now they're white kids from Ohio. And maybe you could argue that this is acceptable, if the feds were actually acting out of a good-faith assessment of what threats are imminent and which are not. But that's not what they're doing at all. Instead, they are arrogating to themselves a downright Orwellian power – the power to deploy the might of the State to shape a fundamental narrative about which ideas Americans must be most scared of, and which ones they should not fear much at all, independent of the relative objective dangerousness of the people who hold those ideas.http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/how-fbi-entrapment-is-inventing-terrorists-and-letting-bad-guys-off-the-hook-20120515
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on March 27, 2013, 08:42:55 PM
I still haven't heard any of these so-called "horse lovers" state exactly how a horse is any different from a cow, buffalo, lamb, goat, or hog when it comes to meat....
That's not really the issue, but rather a deliberate distraction.
Oklahoma slaughtering is being billed as a humane way of dealing with unwanted horses, ignoring the fact that adoption has historically been more effective.
Meanwhile at the local level, Tulsa sees millions in tourism revenue from horse shows, but now who would bring their million-dollar show horse to a state that's the final destination for sick or infectious animals?
We only "need" to slaughter horses because Rep. Sky McNiels' slaughterhouse-owning family needs to change the law to suit their business model, at the expense of others.
Quote from: patric on March 27, 2013, 10:31:46 PM
He probably could if he embraced the current tactic of labeling activists as terrorists. Juries seem to fall for that.
You read it here first. Threatening a government official is activism now. And that juries like it too.
Quote from: guido911 on March 28, 2013, 01:10:24 AM
You read it here first. Threatening a government official is activism now. And that juries like it too.
It's talk radio too.
Quote from: patric on March 27, 2013, 11:04:30 PM
That's not really the issue, but rather a deliberate distraction.
Oklahoma slaughtering is being billed as a humane way of dealing with unwanted horses, ignoring the fact that adoption has historically been more effective.
Meanwhile at the local level, Tulsa sees millions in tourism revenue from horse shows, but now who would bring their million-dollar show horse to a state that's the final destination for sick or infectious animals?
We only "need" to slaughter horses because Rep. Sky McNiels' slaughterhouse-owning family needs to change the law to suit their business model, at the expense of others.
Not a distraction at all. This is a big complaint about horses being slaughtered for meat or pet food. The distraction is that the PETA types just don't want anyone to eat meat, no matter what, and any plaintive bleat they can come up with is fine to tug at the heartstrings of people who have never considered eating a horse before to impose THEIR particular brand of animal morality on everyone else. It doesn't matter if it is being billed as anything - the whole thing revolves around whether I should be allowed to go into a meat market and buy horse or not. Or if horse should be available in that can of dog food for my pack of pit bulls! Or American Bulldogs!
How would changing her business model come at the expense of others? She might benefit, but maybe not - will have to see what the demand actually is. Hers would NOT be the only slaughterhouse facility that would butcher horses.
As for adoption - well how would this affect that in a business way? And why would an adoption agency want to continue as a business?? It would mean there are fewer horses overburdening shelter facilities with too many unwanted animals. I guess it would mean a reduction in their revenue stream - fewer horses may lead to lower contributions to their charity function....seems to me like every charity's main goal and fondest desire would be to go out of business due to lack of need for that function! But hey, that's not the Harvard School of Business way of doing things is it? Bureaucracy and charities are a lot alike - goal is to survive and grow...so "we can help more"....
The fools threatening this woman are disgusting, despicable sleeze-balls who would gag a maggot off a gut wagon....!!
Quote from: patric on March 27, 2013, 11:04:30 PM
Meanwhile at the local level, Tulsa sees millions in tourism revenue from horse shows, but now who would bring their million-dollar show horse to a state that's the final destination for sick or infectious animals?
You do realize that Oklahoma has some many stock shows ranging from small to large for cows, sheep, goats, chickens, turkeys, hogs, etc - also involving millions in tourism revenue. And we have slaughterhouses for each of those animals. None of which has affected people coming here for the shows.... wanna re-think that lame statement??
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http://kwgs.com/post/osbi-investigating-threats-oklahoma-legislator (http://kwgs.com/post/osbi-investigating-threats-oklahoma-legislator)
QuoteOKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation is looking into threats made against a state representative who authored a bill to allow the slaughter of horses in Oklahoma.
The OSBI confirmed Wednesday it's investigating threats targeting Republican Representative Skye McNiel of Bristow.
McNiel says the threats have been troubling but says she refuses to "play into their hands." She says she has turned over emails, Facebook messages and telephone recordings to the OSBI.
Threats to a public official can be a felony crime and are one of the few crimes over which OSBI has original jurisdiction.
The horse slaughter bill passed the Senate on Tuesday and is heading to Governor Mary Fallin, who has indicated she'll sign it.
The bill was fiercely opposed by animal rights groups across the country.
I'm assuming this was staged by her committee to re-elect to counter the damage this legislation has done to the electorate's view of her. Maybe under Bachmann's campaign advisers' tutelage.
Quote from: Townsend on March 28, 2013, 09:33:33 AM
OSBI Investigating Threats to Oklahoma Legislator
I'm assuming this was staged by her committee to re-elect to counter the damage this legislation has done to the electorate's view of her. Maybe under Bachmann's campaign advisers' tutelage.
May be. Got lots of sympathy for congressman Markwayne Mullin, and I dont think the OSBI is looking for his missing employee.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on March 28, 2013, 09:20:19 AM
The fools threatening this woman are disgusting, despicable sleeze-balls who would gag a maggot off a gut wagon....!!
That may be true, but if she is amplifying and milking it for personal or political gain, she is no closer to the moral high ground.
Left wingers are educated....right wingers are not.
Therein lies the absurdity of this thread.
I bet those making threats on that woman are horse traders.
On second thought...to show that TTC is fair and balanced: http://www.salon.com/2013/03/28/wisconsin_man_indicted_over_anonymous_attack_on_kochs/
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Before it became "terrorism" it used to be called "free speech."
http://www.infowars.com/doj-funded-training-manual-lists-bumper-stickers-as-terrorism/
Quote from: Teatownclown on March 28, 2013, 12:47:43 PM
Left wingers think they are educated....right wingers know left wingers are not.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 28, 2013, 03:17:46 PM
I have a stupid and meaningless avatar...goes with my moniker ;)
Very clever.... but unbalanced.
Here:
A guy goes into a bar in Arkansas where there's a robot bartender. The robot says, "What will you have?" The guy says, "Whiskey." The robot brings back his drink and says to the man, "What's your IQ?" The guy says, "168." The robot then proceeds to talk about physics, space exploration and medical technology. The guy leaves, but he's curious, so he goes back into the bar. The robot bartender says, "What will you have?" The guy says, "Whiskey." Again, the robot brings the man his drink and says, "What's your IQ?" The guy says, "100." The robot then starts to talk about Hunting, Budweiser, and Arkansas Razorbacks. The guy leaves, but finds it very interesting, so he thinks he will try it one more time. He goes back into the bar. The robot says, "What will you have?" The guy says, "Whiskey," and the robot brings him his whiskey. The robot then says, "What's your IQ?" The guy says, "Uh, 'bout 50." The robot leans in real close and, speaking slowly, says, "So, . . . you people . . . still happy . . . with Barack Obama???"
Quote from: Teatownclown on March 28, 2013, 12:47:43 PM
Left wingers are educated....right wingers are not.
Therein lies the absurdity of this thread.
I bet those making threats on that woman are horse traders.
Really? Uneducated? And to whom do you compare us?
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I think both villages have their idiots. We are all individuals and should be judged as such.
My typical criteria for determining intellect is existential in nature.
The first indicator is lexicon complexity. Can the person sew their thoughts and emotions into a reasonably concise sentence?
The second is their ability to build and enforce their position using logic. If they revert to emotion or worse, to insult and profanity, they are either of low intellect, or the foundation of their argument is not based on logic.
The third indicator is anger. While we all get angry from time to time, those that allow it to consistently flavor their communications do not possess the intelectual tools necessary for high level discorse.
Quote from: Elm Creek Smith on April 08, 2013, 11:15:43 PM
Really? Uneducated? And to whom do you compare us?
ECS
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You quite obviously haven't gotten to know this jack@ss.
Quote from: guido911 on April 10, 2013, 01:04:58 AM
You quite obviously haven't gotten to know this jack@ss.
Wait a minute....isn't he on your side??
Someone sent Sheriff Joe some explosive material to his office?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/12/suspicious-package-containing-explosive-material-sent-to-arizona-sheriff-arpaio/
Quote from: guido911 on April 12, 2013, 06:02:43 PM
Someone sent Sheriff Joe some explosive material to his office?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/12/suspicious-package-containing-explosive-material-sent-to-arizona-sheriff-arpaio/
He's loosing ground in the recall, so he needs a distraction.
If it turns out he mailed it to himself, its all over but the fat lady singing,
but it could have just as well been one of his confederates:
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/11/deputy_steven_carpenter_put_ba.php
QuoteMaricopa County Sheriff's Office Deputy Steven Carpenter was put back on the street despite his role in helping another deputy commit an assault in North Dakota.
Carpenter drove with Detective Tim Abrahamson on September 16 to North Dakota, and possibly all the way to the West Fargo home of Jason Swart, the man who had slept with Abrahamson's wife. Once at the home, Abrahamson allegedly created a ruse to distract Swart, then pummeled him severely. Swart lost part of an ear in the attack. Abrahamson was a key figure in Sheriff Arpaio's Disgraced Anti-Corruption Team, created to silence Arpaio critics.
It's not clear yet if Carpenter was in the vehicle Abrahamson had rented when the attack took place. But if so, it means that Carpenter didn't just drive with Abrahamson -- he helped stake out the place and stood by as the assault occurred.
Another left winger terrorist...
QuoteFamily Research Council (FRC) officials released video of federal investigators questioning convicted domestic terrorist Floyd Lee Corkins II, who explained that he attacked the group's headquarters because the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) identified them as a "hate group" due to their traditional marriage views.
"Southern Poverty Law lists anti-gay groups," Corkins tells interrogators in the video, which FRC obtained from the FBI. "I found them online, did a little research, went to the website, stuff like that."
The Washington Examiner's Paul Bedard reported that Corkins, who pleaded guilty to terrorism charges, said in court that he hoped to "kill as many as possible and smear the Chick-Fil-A sandwiches in victims' faces, and kill the guard." As Bedard explained, "the shooting occurred after an executive with Chick-Fil-A announced his support for traditional marriage, angering same-sex marriage proponents."
http://washingtonexaminer.com/fbi-video-domestic-terrorist-says-he-targeted-conservative-group-for-being-anti-gay/article/2528072
Quote from: Vashta Nerada on April 12, 2013, 07:52:04 PM
He's loosing ground in the recall, so he needs a distraction.
If it turns out he mailed it to himself, its all over but the fat lady singing,
but it could have just as well been one of his confederates:
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/11/deputy_steven_carpenter_put_ba.php
Here's an article covering the Sheriff Joe recall. http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2013/04/sheriff_joe_arpaio_recall_bid.html
In the shadow of Sheriff Joe Arpaio, a killer about to go down
QuotePHOENIX — The fatal shooting of an unarmed man by a now-fired Phoenix police officer wasn't self-defense despite his claims that he feared for his life, a prosecutor told jurors Monday.
Deputy Maricopa County Attorney Juan Martinez said during his closing argument at Richard Chrisman's murder trial that the officer was the aggressor in the October 2010 incident.
Chrisman has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder, aggravated assault and animal cruelty. He maintains that the shootings of 29-year-old Daniel Rodriguez and his pit bull were justified because Rodriguez reached for the officer's gun. Chrisman testified last week that he feared Rodriguez was going to "smash my brains in."
Martinez said the evidence doesn't show Rodriguez was assaulting the officer. He said Chrisman shot Rodriguez's "friendly" dog after the animal wagged his tail at him, and that the officer failed to try to talk to Rodriguez.
Martinez also said Chrisman put a gun to Rodriguez's head and later shot him for no reason.
"A person cannot take out a gun, point it at someone and then when that person steps back, shoot them," Martinez told jurors.
Defense attorney Craig Mehrens urged jurors not to swallow the "tale" that Martinez was trying to tell. He said if Martinez were to be believed, a nine-year veteran of the force who had never fired his gun would have had to decide "today's the day" and chose Rodriguez as his victim.
"And, after I do it I'm going to get all my friends to cover it up," Mehrens said.
Authorities say Chrisman used unnecessary excessive force after Rodriguez questioned the right of the two officers to be inside the trailer. They say Chrisman put the muzzle of his pistol to Rodriguez's temple and said he didn't need a warrant.
His partner told investigators the dog wasn't attacking either officer, but Chrisman says it was an imminent threat. Rodriguez died at the scene after Chrisman says he was preparing to perform CPR, but it was too late.
Chrisman was fired from the department about five months after the shooting.
http://www.trivalleycentral.com/casa_grande_dispatch/arizona_news/prosecutor-shooting-by-officer-not-self-defense/article_e5cb3a62-1a35-11e3-a1e4-0019bb2963f4.html
Quote from: Vashta Nerada on September 10, 2013, 08:00:49 PM
In the shadow of Sheriff Joe Arpaio, a killer about to go down
Go down? Hardly, he walked on misdemeanor assault:
PHOENIX (AP) — A Phoenix police officer was convicted Tuesday of aggravated assault in the shooting deaths of an unarmed man and his dog during a domestic dispute call three years ago.
But jurors hearing the case against Richard Chrisman failed to reach a verdict on the more serious charge of second-degree murder, along with an animal cruelty charge. They deliberated for about four days.
Chrisman was charged after his partner said he fatally shot 29-year-old Danny Rodriguez and his dog without justification during an October 2010 confrontation inside a south Phoenix mobile home. Chrisman, a nine-year veteran of the force was later fired.
Officer Chrisman acknowledged under questioning last week that he was the aggressor in the early part of the confrontation but said he was just doing his job.
Chrisman and Officer Virgillo were called to the south Phoenix trailer park by Rodriguez's mother, who told them her son had punched a hole in a wall. They confronted Rodriguez at the door to the trailer, and Chrisman forced his way inside. Rodriguez asked to see a warrant, and prosecutors say Chrisman then put his pistol against Rodriguez's head and told him he didn't need one.
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Go down? Hardly, he walked on misdemeanor assault:
PHOENIX (AP) — A Phoenix police officer was convicted Tuesday of aggravated assault in the shooting deaths of an unarmed man and his dog during a domestic dispute call three years ago.
That's batsquit-crazy Arizona.
"He tried to grab my gun" is currently the justification of choice for the rest of the country, including Okiehomey:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/OHP_identifies_trooper_victim_in_fatal_shooting/20130923_450_0_TheOkl170919
Another good reason to avoid Arizona.
Well this happened.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chapel-hill-shooting-craig-stephen-hicks-condemned-all-religions-on-facebook-prior-to-muslim-massmurder-arrest-10038126.html
There is also evidence that this terrorist looked at Southern Poverty Law Center information as well.