Oklahoma seems to never escape bad publicity, even when it isnt deserved:
http://gawker.com/5982480
Two women delivering newspapers in Torrance on Thursday morning were shot by Los Angeles police officers searching for Christopher Jordan Dorner (http://gawker.com/5982476/lapd-shooting-innocents-in-incompetent-manhunt-for-killer-cop),
the LAPD officer allegedly on a revenge spree over his firing from the force. A third person who filmed the shooting is also said to have been shot.
and LAPD makes things even worst
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torrance-shooting-20130209,0,4414028.story
Quote from: custosnox on February 10, 2013, 11:36:18 PM
and LAPD makes things even worst
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torrance-shooting-20130209,0,4414028.story
Law enforcement sources told The Times that at least seven officers opened fire. On Friday, the street was pockmarked with bullet holes in cars, trees, garage doors and roofs. Residents said they wanted to know what happened.
"When I heard all the pop-pop-popping, I dropped to the ground, crawled around and pulled my wife out of the bed and I got on top of her," he said.
Goo said he could hear the bullets hitting the front door and feared they were coming through the house. He said he called 911 for the police, but was notified that they were already there.So if the LAPD Captains daughter was never Dorner's target, might she have been shot by crossfire similar to the catastrophe mentioned above?
reminds me of a Simpsons episode with Spinal Tap:
"No one rocks like" looks on back of guitar which has springfield scralled on the back "SPRINGFIELD!!!"
The military stresses integrity. It is apparently a lesson learned well by two Vance Air Force Base students.
An Enid church is a little richer today thanks to the integrity of Lt. Andrew Baugher, a Marine student at Vance, and Ensign Chris Dorner, a Navy student pilot.
http://enidnews.com/localnews/x964898713/ENE-Archives-Vance-students-turn-in-lost-church-money
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Two women delivering newspapers in Torrance on Thursday morning were shot by Los Angeles police officers searching for Christopher
Jordan Dorner, the ex-LAPD officer allegedly on a revenge killing spree over his 2009 firing from the force. A third person who
filmed the shooting is also said to have been shot.
"TV news stations in LA are warning people not to drive pick up trucks in LA and to obey all traffic laws or risk being shot by
police who are all stressed out and tense.. This is happening right now"
http://gawker.com/5982476/lapd-shooting-innocents-in-incompetent-manhunt-for-killer-cop
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_22561406/redondo-beach-man-shot-at-by-police-christopher%3Fsource=most_viewed.html
http://storify.com/designergna/christopher-dorner-manhunt-manifests-pockets-of-su
Quote from: custosnox on February 10, 2013, 11:36:18 PM
and LAPD makes things even worst
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torrance-shooting-20130209,0,4414028.story
Not only did Dorner not threaten officer's families,
there is mounting evidence that Capt. Randall Quan daughter's death was actually from friendly fire similar to the newspaper delivery fiasco.
Quote from: Vashta Nerada on February 12, 2013, 07:27:04 PM
Not only did Dorner not threaten officer's families,
there is mounting evidence that Capt. Randall Quan daughter's death was actually from friendly fire similar to the newspaper delivery fiasco.
Yeah, right, giant cover up by LAPD, and this guy did nothing wrong. ::)
How ironic that Dorner is a big advocate of an assault weapons ban.
Wouldn't surprise me if others also in favor are about to "go postal" and want everyone else disarmed before they do.
The opposite of irony.... wrinkly.
A audio tape has been released of the LAPD talking about setting the cabin on fire after Dorner had been shot and killed. A possible cover up?
Naww. Not our Police or Government.
Quote from: DolfanBob on February 13, 2013, 10:47:55 AM
A audio tape has been released of the LAPD talking about setting the cabin on fire after Dorner had been shot and killed. A possible cover up?
Naww. Not our Police or Government.
The cabin caught fire when police tossed smoke devices inside, a law enforcement source told CNN. http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/13/us/lapd-manhunt/index.html
As far as the genesis of this whole hysterical clusterfolk, The LA Times put it best:
This horrifying episode should serve as a reminder that open proceedings are the standing rebuttal to false accusations.
I listened to a radio talk audio between officers. And one Officer was talking about blood spatter in a corner of the room he was looking in. And asked if that was the corner they wanted to start the burn.
Another audio I have heard is a news release of Officers shouting "Burn that Mother F*...."
Quote from: DolfanBob on February 13, 2013, 01:45:26 PM
I listened to a radio talk audio between officers. And one Officer was talking about blood spatter in a corner of the room he was looking in. And asked if that was the corner they wanted to start the burn.
Another audio I have heard is a news release of Officers shouting "Burn that Mother F*...."
Now even I was skeptical of that, but you may be right:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/chris-dorner-fire-possibly-started-by-police_n_2677442.html
Well that didn't take long. As predicted, he will be martyred by the left.
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/14/understanding_christopher_dorner_partner/
Quote from: Gaspar on February 15, 2013, 01:07:50 PM
Well that didn't take long. As predicted, he will be martyred by the left.
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/14/understanding_christopher_dorner_partner/
It's probably not a surprise that the unedited version of his Facebook posting
http://newsone.com/2213671/chris-dorner-uncensored-manifesto/
is quite different than the one edited by the people he was critical of.
Quote from: Gaspar on February 15, 2013, 01:07:50 PM
Well that didn't take long. As predicted, he will be martyred by the left.
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/14/understanding_christopher_dorner_partner/
Think he will be posthumously charged with a hate crime? His first two victims
were black.
What Tulsa Police could learn from the recent LAPD fiasco:http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/after-christopher-dorners-rampage-how-to-build-community-trust-in-police/2013/02/15/7a6f8482-76c8-11e2-8f84-3e4b513b1a13_story.html
QuoteI worked as an internal affairs investigator in the LAPD for about three years. When I visited police divisions to look into complaints against officers, I was usually greeted by the same question: "Who are you going to burn today?" Officers often believed that internal affairs was out to get them on flimsy charges.
At the same time, when I interviewed community members who had filed complaints against officers, I was disappointed to learn that, despite my reassurances and best efforts to conduct impartial inquiries, many complainants believed that a fair investigation was simply not possible. Nor do misconduct investigations satisfy a skeptical public. If an officer is exonerated, the community often believes that malfeasance is being covered up.
Police serve the community — any concerns about their integrity must be transparently, expeditiously and judiciously resolved. Relying on cops to police cops is neither efficient nor confidence-inspiring.
The solution? Abolish internal affairs units and outsource their work to external civilian agencies.
Police have slowly started to incorporate civilian oversight in their misconduct investigations. For example, the LAPD's office of inspector general has oversight over the department's internal discipline. Yet, while the inspector general's staff receives copies of every personnel complaint filed and tracks and audits selected cases, it does not have the authority to impose discipline. Nor do most civilian review boards, which are not empowered to conduct independent investigations. This leads detractors to say that such boards are ineffectual.
Police have long resisted external oversight. Some of us say that those who aren't in uniform do not understand the intricacies of law enforcement. Won't civilian investigators be harsher toward officers — unsympathetic to the challenges faced by beat cops battling armed bad guys?
These self-serving arguments perpetuate archaic policies. Outsourcing misconduct investigations to civilians would directly address community concerns about the "blue wall of silence." Officers who fear retaliation for reporting misconduct would feel more comfortable working with an external agency. In this system, complaints such as Dorner's about the vindictiveness of superiors would all but disappear.
Using sergeants and detectives as internal affairs investigators costs police departments a lot. These supervisors are paid more and have more seniority. Assigning seasoned officers to internal affairs also depletes the number of field personnel who could prevent mistakes and misconduct by patrol officers in the first place. Outsourcing misconduct investigations would be far less expensive and would let veteran supervisors do the jobs they should be doing.
And why shouldn't every police contact with the community — every traffic stop, every interrogation — be recorded on video? If Dorner and his partner had had a cop-cam, his claim that his partner used excessive force might have been resolved the same day. There's just no excuse for not recording police contacts with the public. Technology has made cameras effective and affordable. Some officers already record their arrests to protect themselves against false allegations of misconduct. This should be standard operating procedure.
The only answer to those worried about police conspiracies is transparency. Only by opening our doors can we build trust, and truly serve and protect.
Sunil Dutta is an officer in the Los Angeles Police Department. The views expressed here do not represent the LAPD.
The mother and daughter newspaper carriers injured when police mistakenly fired on them during the manhunt for ex-cop Christopher Dorner would receive $4.2 million under a settlement announced by city officials.
The settlement was remarkably speedy compared with other LAPD civil lawsuits, which can take years to be resolved.
City Atty. Carmen Trutanich was blunt Tuesday in saying the city wanted to get the case, which has been a black eye for the LAPD, behind it as quickly as possible.
"Hopefully this will put an end to the Dorner saga once and for all," Trutanich said. He said the agreement was a "no brainer because the costs were going to skyrocket," if negotiations dragged on and the case ended up in court.
"We got out of this thing pretty cheaply, all things considered," he added.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-women-shot-by-lapd-during-dorner-manhunt-get-big-payout-20130423,0,3871391.story